Shiwiii

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  1. I quite agree with you that many are lead by such, however I do not think that was Tom's implication.
  2. by this logic, you must believe that the Catholic church, Islam, Hinduism and the Mormans are all also spirit directed?
  3. Matthew 1:21 " She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.” How would Jesus save His people? Romans 6: 3 "Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? " Romans 6: 5 "For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. " Romans 6: 8 "Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God. 11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. " 1 Corinthians 15: 3 "For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures," Isaiah 53:5 " But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities;the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed. " I would say that the Bible DOES attach great importance on the death and resurrection of Jesus.
  4. This link only has one comment after the presented position , to come here to discuss. To answer from both the archive link and this one, No, there is no Biblical reason not to celebrate Father's Day/ Mother's Day and the like. It is an unfounded requirement to obey the wt. However, the leaders of the wt are not inspired and regularly dispense errors in doctrine as admitted in Feb 2017 wt. So that leaves it up to the individual to either follow the commands of men, or God. God, in His holy word, does not condemn this practice from what I can find.
  5. This will be my last comment to you. Do you not see that people are getting tired of your dribble, the constant put downs and negativity? You bring NOTHING to the conversations you impose upon, only angst and hateful speech. You derail topics to puff yourself up, but it fails to do so, especially when your own support evidence destroy's your own position as referenced above. You can dismiss me and my comment however you wish, I just hope that you actually do take the time to reflect on your communication skills. You have dragged me into your world, where I too retaliate in kind, for the last time. Good day
  6. Allensmith: G1781 ἐντέλλομαι entellomai en-tel'-lom-ahee From G1722 and the base of G5056 ; to enjoin: - (give) {charge} (give) {command(-ments}) injoin. you are presenting a strawman argument with your added commentary of what your perceived emphasis should be. Also, this statement from you makes absolutely no sense: Conditional Sentences Conditional sentences are statements discussing known factors or hypothetical situations and their consequences. These sentences use conditional construction and verb forms, which is called the conditional mood. Complete conditional sentences contain a conditional clause and the consequence. As a refresher, a clause is a group of words with their own subject and verb. Consider the following sentence: The tricky part about constructing a conditional sentence is it involves many factors both in its form and meaning. Since there are various factors involved when writing conditional sentences, the rules can be explained in different ways. The properties of the entire conditional sentences are determined by the condition’s tense and degree of realness.
  7. then why is it even mentioned and considered in the baptismal questions? Why must one "agree" to that particular question at all?
  8. isnt that Jesus' actual words and command? why wouldn't you want to follow Jesus and what He said? why not? Does this limit our prayers to only this? No, but it does give us a starting point for those who are just learning. Again, why not, this was Jesus' words and command?
  9. nope, i wouldnt even do that. you are assuming you know "my kind" and you dont.
  10. the proof is in the Australian Royal Commission for one, which under oath admitted by each member defending the wt had confirmed that they allowed known perpetrators to remain a member and serve within the organization. Also, it wasn't just lay people within the org, but Mr. Jackson a gb member. another is the Candice Conti case in California and another Gonzalo Campo in Linda Vista ca. there are plenty more, but this should suffice to answer your concern.
  11. but this doesn't apply to child molesters? I mean known molesters are still being treated the same as they were before they were found out. These are also still wanting to be a part of the organization and have done so. So where does the organization hold them accountable if nothing is done? If one wants to sit back and claim " leave it in Jehovah's hands" then one must also accept a murderer, drunkard, fornicator within the organization just the same. Would you go out in service with a known murderer, alone? or allow your child to go out in service with a known child molester without you? I seem to recall a "return to Jehovah" brochure that did exactly that, policing those who have faded or become inactive.
  12. Would you think that those who sexually prey on children, but still want to be a part of the organization, fall into the first category you mentioned? If so, what judicial matter can determine the validity of the claims of child abuse if there is no other witness except the victim? Does this determine the validity of their dedication according to your statement? I mean there are plenty of child molesters who have NOT had their validity questioned because of actions like this and still remain within the organization as a MS, elder, etc. I fully agree, we as humans can choose our sin, but we cannot choose the consequences!
  13. so then what is the point of this article? Doesn't the article make the organization the one who makes the very determination you assert to Jehovah? Are they not saying that one cannot revoke their vow and claim an invalid baptism? you are saying exactly the opposite of what this article is saying. The publication, produced by the organization, it saying that a baptism is valid, even if you don't like it.
  14. I quite agree, but what 13 year old understands the ramifications or implications of each of those 100 questions? A person of that age is not accountable in a court of law, nor behind the wheel of a car, alcohol, marriage, etc. you get the point. so then, does this article not point out the fact that the baptism is still valid and thus they are still connected to the organization? Their dedication isn't void because they changed their minds and decided to do/believe something else. Wouldn't you agree?
  15. 13 There is no way to undo a dedication vow, taking back what we promised God. If a person tires of serving Jehovah or of living a Christian way of life, he cannot claim that he was never really dedicated and that his baptism was invalid. * To all intents and purposes, he presented himself as one who was wholly dedicated to God. He will be accountable before Jehovah and the congregation for any serious sins that he may commit. (Rom. 14:12) https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-april-2017/what-you-vow-pay/#footnote2 Romans 14:10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister[a]? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11 It is written: “‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,‘every knee will bow before me; every tongue will acknowledge God.’”[b] 12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God. 13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. It appears that this is the case no matter if anyone likes it or not. So say someone who decided to stop going to the meetings and refuses to meet with the elders, are they still part of the congregation? They certainly cannot claim that they were not dedicated at some point. This leads me to a question of if a child (under the age of 16) participated in baptism, do they have the capability to understand what exactly that dedication means? Do they understand that they will not be able to claim it was invalid based upon ignorance?