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  2. Maybe you were, maybe you weren't. Just in case you were... What I “preach” about concerns the condition of “craftiness” that you and the anointed ones live under. Personally, I feel relief knowing that I can now approach God and Jesus without anyone telling me how to do it. This is what God wants for us, an authentic personal relationship with Him and His Son. It's called stepping out of the darkness and into the light of Christ. John 8:12; 1:4,5; 2 Cor 4:6; 1 Pet 2:9 My disfellowshipping was a spiritual “killing” for “apostasy”. I was told if ever I changed my mind, I would be considered for reinstatement, which is such a laughable proposition. I would be reinstated into an organization. I would not be "returning to Jehovah" because God and the organization are two different entities. Isa 46:5 One, is a practicing lie under the presence of the “man of lawlessness”. Matt 24:15; 2 Thess 2:3,4 It is a "god of fortress" set up by a "king" who rules over spiritual Zion, the true Temple of God. It is a "god unknown to his ancestors", that "he will honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts." Dan 11:38 The organization is the "different" Beast, that arises to trample the anointed ones. God's chosen people have never had to face anything like it, until now. Dan 7:7; Rev 13:1,2,7 It holds authority over the "saints"...and you. If you would just open your spiritual eyes… 2 Thess 2 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us— (apostles, with whom many JWs compare with the GB) whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. (1914) 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, (the anointed ones 1 Cor 3:16,17) proclaiming himself to be God. God's Temple is not "Jehovah's spiritual temple", otherwise known as the organization - that "different" Beast. It is in the hearts of the anointed ones. 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22 5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie,10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. 2 Thess 2:1-12 Before God's people have ever suffered destruction, He revealed His message to His servants and sent them to warn His people of their pending doom. “Surely the Lord GOD does nothing, unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets” Amos 3:7 These servants were considered the one's telling the lie by the majority of the people. They were viewed as crazy, with a message of little use. Think of all the prophets God sent and the people's reactions. "They say to the seers, 'See no more visions!' and to the prophets, 'Give us no more visions of what is right! Tell us pleasant things, prophesy illusions.'" Isa 30:10 Revelation is a book that God reveals to His servants (the anointed ones) who care to heed it's message. Rev 3:18 It is a warning message concerning the sins of God's holy people, just as He has made known when His people fell into sin throughout the ages. Rev 1:1 Your leaders offer you a spiritual paradise of peace and security. This is their "prophetic" message. Jeremiah dealt with this same issue among Israel. "The dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. "Peace, peace", they say, when there is no peace". Jer 8:11 Look around you, can't you see there really is no peace in the organization? It cannot save you from the nations as God did for His people when they obeyed His directions. Isa 48:18 If you had eyes that were open to the sins committed by God's people you would see the lie for what it actually is. You would understand that you "serve the lie." Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 1 Thess 5:1-3 By the way, God doesn't choose the prominent ones to get His message across. He chooses the despised ones, those least expected to carry His message. 1 Cor 4:13 But, of course, those who are despised are viewed as the haughty ones, while those who are held in "high esteem", get away with murder. Gal 2:6; John 16:2-4; Matt 5:11,12; Rev 13: 11,12,15; 11:1-3,7-10 I am not surprised at what you think about me. I also am not surprised at how you value the GB who have successfully pulled the wool over your eyes. Matt 23:12
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  4. They can ring it up as a cheesy roll up (they are $.99) and then add ground beef ($.59) and pico ($.35). They are cheaper than they were before, and just as yummy! But, not every Taco Bell is smart enough to do this.
  5. I was comparing them to you and your constant complaining that have shoved you out of the spot where you think you belong. Just answering.
  6. So, are you comparing the apostles to the governing body and the organization? Just asking. I agree with scripture, there is “nothing new under the sun”, except for its magnitude in the last days.
  7. I found this interesting. Did they, (Bible) Writers of Private Letters to someone, were Inspired to wrote text about something, or did they just made Description (Fact, Advice, Lesson, Judgement etc.) about something what people of those time has done? ..... Just as you TTH doing today. Do you find yourself Inspired for writing books? Question has their place, of course. But then, we can ask in similar manner - If exposing the name of a sinner to public is not pedagogically sustainable, in same logic somebody can argue how excommunication is also questionable method to bring someone back to right path. This is something strange. Elders, as legal body, are authorized to tell to particular individual or few of them, The Confidential Information. After that this individual or few of them, according to my understanding of your words, could be trusted to pass it along to anyone... Strange thing again. How does non authorized individuals ( rank and file members) can be in same category, in such Delicate issue, as Elders who, supposedly, have all important information about case and was faced with matter in wider range? How is possible that congregants have to believe and trust HearSay information from second hand, from Brother (or Sister :)))) aka Parents who are not The Elder/Elderessa . ? ....confused about meaning. Crime we talking about (sexual crimes and child molestation) are cruel. To put such one in hand of Justice is not cruel. If that including Report to police, DFD from church or Fired from job looks as normal reaction of society.
  8. Nothing is foolproof. I don’t follow every single case. Shooting them is foolproof. My side doesn’t have that authority. Nor yours.
  9. @TrueTomHarley Do you believe ANY of the cases, from ANY country in this earth, that say an Elder was allowed to keep his position and status and his conduct was kept hidden, so he was able to abuse more children or abuse the same child on a regular basis ? Do you actually believe that this did happen in some cases ? Or are you saying that the JW Org is so so so clean and so well organised that those things would / could never happen ? Honest reply in as few words as possible please.
  10. Bonjour Salomon, merci pour ton partage et à bientôt. Evolution ou Creation.ppt
  11. We have wronged no one, we have corrupted no one, we have taken advantage of no one.” (2 Corinthians 7:2) “Nevertheless, you say, I was “crafty” and I caught you “by trickery.” (2 Corinthians 12:16) ”There is nothing new under the sun” (Ecclesiastes 1:9)
  12. JOYAUX DE LA PAROLE DE DIEU 3-9 juin 2019 Recherchons des perles spirituelles GALATES 4-6 Ga 4:6 : Que veut dire le mot hébreu ou araméen abba ? (w09 1/4 13). Le mot araméen ʼabbaʼ peut vouloir dire “ le père ” ou “ Ô Père ! ” On le retrouve à trois reprises dans les Écritures, à chaque fois dans une prière et à propos du Père céleste, Jéhovah. Quelle idée emporte-t-il exactement ? Le Dictionnaire de la Bible, par André-Marie Gerard, déclare que ce terme “ ajoute au mot [...] ‘ père ’ une note plus familière, affectueuse et possessive ”. Il s’agit d’un terme à la fois tendre et respectueux, l’un des tout premiers mots qu’un enfant apprenait. w09 1/4 13 ABBA Le mot araméen ʼabbaʼ correspond à la forme emphatique ou définie du mot ʼav et signifie littéralement “ le père ” ou “ Ô Père ! ” Pour s’adresser à leur père dans l’intimité, les enfants employaient ce mot qui exprimait à la fois un peu de l’intimité qui se dégage du terme “ papa ” et le respect que sous-entend l’usage du mot “ père ” ; il était en même temps familier et respectueux. Il s’agissait donc plus d’un terme affectueux que d’un titre et c’était un des tout premiers mots qu’un enfant apprenait. Ce mot araméen apparaît trois fois dans les Écritures. Il est toujours transcrit dans le grec original et dans la plupart des traductions françaises. Il est chaque fois suivi de sa traduction : ho patêr, en grec, littéralement “ le père ”, ou employé au vocatif : “ Ô Père ! ” Dans chaque cas, il se rapporte au Père céleste, Jéhovah. it-1 13 “Abba, Père” ● Marc rapporte dans son Évangile que Jésus employa le mot “Abba” dans la prière qu’il adressa à son Père, à Gethsémané, peu de temps avant sa mort. “Abba, Père, dit-il, toutes choses te sont possibles ; écarte de moi cette coupe. Cependant, non pas ce que je veux, mais ce que tu veux.” (Marc 14:36). Voilà, adressé par un fils à son père aimant, un appel fervent, très vite suivi de l’assurance que ce fils restera obéissant quoi qu’il arrive. En araméen, le mot “abba” signifie “père” et correspond au mot hébreu ab (père), mais c’est la forme emphatique de ce terme. Les enfants employaient ce nom intime pour s’adresser à leur père. Tout en exprimant une certaine familiarité, comme c’est le cas pour le mot français “papa”, ce terme n’exclut pas la dignité qu’on attache ordinairement au mot “père”, car il est à la fois familier et respectueux. Ce terme était donc plus affectueux qu’un titre, et c’était l’un des premiers mots que prononçait un enfant lorsqu’il apprenait à parler. Ce mot apparaît deux autres fois dans la Bible, dans les épîtres de Paul : Romains 8:15 et Galates 4:6. Dans ces deux passages, le mot est employé en rapport avec les chrétiens appelés à devenir des fils de Dieu engendrés de l’esprit, et il indique l’intimité de leurs relations avec leur Père. Bien qu’ils soient “esclaves de Dieu”, ils sont néanmoins des fils dans la maison d’un Père aimant, et cette condition leur est réellement révélée par le saint esprit, ceci par l’intermédiaire de leur Seigneur Jésus. — Rom. 6:22 ; 8:15 ; Gal. 4:6.w67 347 Pourquoi, dans une prière, Jésus a-t-il appelé Jéhovah “ Abba, Père ” ? Le mot araméen ʼabbaʼ peut vouloir dire “ le père ” ou “ Ô Père ! ” On le retrouve à trois reprises dans les Écritures, à chaque fois dans une prière et à propos du Père céleste, Jéhovah. Quelle idée emporte-t-il exactement ? Le Dictionnaire de la Bible, par André-Marie Gerard, déclare que ce terme “ ajoute au mot [...] ‘ père ’ une note plus familière, affectueuse et possessive ”. Il s’agit d’un terme à la fois tendre et respectueux, l’un des tout premiers mots qu’un enfant apprenait. Dans le jardin de Gethsémané, quelques heures avant sa mort, Jésus a prié avec ferveur en disant “ Abba, Père ”. — Marc 14:36. D’après le Dictionnaire encyclopédique de la Bible, de Maredsous, ce mot “ n’est pour ainsi dire jamais appliqué à Dieu dans la littérature juive ” de la période gréco-romaine. Et Jacques Hervieux d’ajouter : “ Dans leur prière (sic), les juifs n’utilisaient pas ce vocable jugé trop familier pour s’adresser à Dieu. ” Cependant, “ en appelant Dieu Abba, [...] Jésus marque le lien unique qui l’attache au Père, en même temps que la profondeur véritable de ce lien ”, lit-on dans l’encyclopédie catholique Théo. Les autres occurrences du terme “ Abba ”, toutes deux dans les écrits de l’apôtre Paul, indiquent que les premiers chrétiens aussi l’utilisaient quand ils priaient. — Romains 8:15 ; Galates 4:6.La Tour de Garde,1/4/2009, p. 13 Quand il priait, Jésus employait parfois l’expression “ Abba, Père ”. (Marc 14:36.) Terme affectueux utilisé dans le cercle familial pour “ père ”, “ Abba ” était parmi les premiers mots qu’un enfant prononçait. Mais c’était aussi un terme respectueux. Cela dénote donc à la fois la façon intime que Jésus avait de s’adresser à son Père bien-aimé et le profond respect que lui inspirait l’autorité paternelle de Jéhovah. Toutes ses prières présentaient ce mélange d’intimité et de respect. cf 134 Ga 6:17 : De quelles façons peut-on comprendre ces paroles de Paul : « Je porte sur mon corps les marques d’un esclave de Jésus » ? (w10 1/11 15). Paul écrivit aux Galates : “ Je porte sur mon corps les marques [gr. : stigmata] d’un esclave de Jésus. ” (Ga 6:17). Nombreuses furent les souffrances physiques infligées au corps de Paul à cause de son service chrétien ; certaines lui laissèrent sans aucun doute des cicatrices, qui confirmaient sa prétention d’être un fidèle esclave appartenant à Jésus Christ (2Co 11:23-27). C’est peut-être à ces marques qu’il faisait allusion. Ou peut-être faisait-il référence à la vie de chrétien qu’il menait en produisant le fruit de l’esprit et en accomplissant l’œuvre de son ministère chrétien. — Voir MARQUE.it-2 232 Lorsque l’apôtre Paul a dit qu’il portait sur son corps “ les marques d’un esclave de Jésus ”, à quoi faisait-il allusion ? — Galates 6:17. ▪ Les paroles de Paul pouvaient évoquer plusieurs choses pour ses auditeurs du Ier siècle. Par exemple, dans l’Antiquité, on utilisait un fer rouge pour identifier les prisonniers de guerre, les pilleurs de temples et les esclaves fugitifs. Appliquée sur des humains de cette façon, la marque au feu était considérée comme déshonorante. Cependant, toutes les marques au feu n’avaient pas cette signification. De nombreux peuples anciens en utilisaient pour indiquer leur appartenance à une tribu ou à une religion en particulier. Par exemple, selon le Dictionnaire théologique du Nouveau Testament (angl.), “ les Syriens se consacraient aux dieux Hadad et Atargatis en se faisant des marques sur le poignet ou le cou [...]. Celle d’une feuille de lierre était apposée sur l’adorateur de Dionysos ”. Beaucoup de commentateurs modernes supposent que Paul faisait allusion aux cicatrices laissées par les violences physiques qu’il avait subies au cours de son activité missionnaire (2 Corinthiens 11:23-27). Mais peut-être voulait-il dire que son mode de vie — et non des marques littérales — l’identifiait à un chrétien. w10 1/11 15 Les marques d’un esclave: “Que personne ne me suscite d’ennuis, écrit Paul, car je porte sur mon corps les marques d’un esclave de Jésus.” (Galates 6:17). Chez certains peuples païens de l’Antiquité, on marquait les esclaves pour indiquer à qui ils appartenaient. Divers motifs étaient marqués au fer rouge ou tatoués sur leur peau. Les nombreuses souffrances physiques que Paul avait subies en raison de son ministère chrétien avaient sans doute laissé des cicatrices, attestant, comme il l’affirme, qu’il était un esclave fidèle appartenant au Christ, persécuté pour Son nom (2 Corinthiens 11:23-27). C’est peut-être ces cicatrices que Paul appelle “les marques d’un esclave”, à moins qu’il ne pense à la vie de chrétien qu’il menait, manifestant le fruit de l’esprit de Dieu et accomplissant son ministère.w90 15/11 23 Jéhovah est notre Propriétaire et notre Dieu. Nous reconnaissons avec joie, que nous soyons un membre du reste ou une autre brebis, que nous sommes sa propriété vivante qu’il s’est acquise par le sang de son Fils Jésus-Christ. Nous portons les marques de notre servitude, comme l’apôtre Paul qui déclara : “ À l’avenir, qu’on ne vienne plus me tracasser, car je porte dans mon corps les stigmates d’un esclave de Jésus. ” (Gal. 6:17, NW). Nous reconnaissons donc que Dieu a le droit de dicter ce que doit être notre religion et nous voulons l’adorer comme le vrai Dieu. Nous n’avons aucun droit à faire valoir contre lui. Nous sommes obligés de garder ses commandements et nous voulons lui rendre par amour un service sacré. Nous obéirons à Dieu plutôt qu’aux hommes. Nous sommes ses esclaves théocratiques pour toujours.w53 154
  13. Right off the bat, she demanded a retraction and apology. She had not charged that we have no policy, she said. She had a point. She had not said it, but the implication was plain as day. However, she shot back that she had not implied it, either. I responded that had she but included the online paragraph, even to criticize it, her vows of pure honesty would be more believable, for it is clearly the most relevant writing on her topic. At that, she fired off a couple of zingers and then blocked me. If you want to block, just block. From my point of view, that is the sure sign of a desperation—to throw a new charge and then block any reply. Of course, JWs have mechanisms that amount to blocking, too. The difference is that we don’t pretend otherwise. There comes a time when you simply have to muzzle some people: (“It is necessary to shut their mouths, because these very men keep on subverting entire households by teaching things they should not for the sake of dishonest gain.” Titus 1:11) These folks, on the other hand, are constantly on the prowl for JWs to engage with.
  14. Most of the New Testament is in the form of letters written to someone else. Those recipients, too, could have voiced similar complaints. I just find I write better when I am responding to a specific person or group of persons. I don’t deliberately set them up. I just write after the fact. Paul did too, apparently. As for money, I haven’t make enough yet to offset the outgoing expenses. Maybe that will change someday—I too, have a light bill—but I have resolved that the two most recent ebooks of opposition in Russia and in the West will always be free in some electronic format. That does not mean that other formats will be, or even that every ebook format will be, though it is so now. I would be surprised if I ever make any serious money, though if I do I will buy me a Cadillac-ac-ac-ac-ac. As for recognition, no matter how many people read these books, it is not enough. To my knowledge, both are the largest (and perhaps only) significant compilations of relevant subject matters. Billy finds everything offensive. Anyone who makes any comment on social media meant to be public is fair game for rebuttal. Until the late 70s, it was standard practice that anyone reproved would have that fact announced publicly—the reproof, not the wrongdoing that triggered it. At that time it was reasoned, that since a reproved person is such because he has been seen to be repentant, and the goal therefore become his healing, will he really be helped to recover by being exposed to everyone as a “practicer of sin?” (“Reprove before all onlookers those who practice sin, as a warning to the rest.” 1 Timothy 5:20) The “onlookers” was taken to mean not the whole congregation but those who knew of the wrongdoing, which might be just two or three. Only in cases where the wrongdoing was known or would soon be known to everyone would the reproof be made public. I think the policy you object to is just an application of the above, with the added caution that those who would truly need to know, parents of minors, would be notified. They could be trusted to pass it along to anyone who might need to know, such as a guardian. Don’t forget that this only is for those deemed repentant—cut to the heart and with expressed resolve to turn around. Rarely, if ever, are we speaking of forcible rape here, but some lesser form of molestation. Any degree of premeditation or grooming would cast serious doubt on any claim of repentance. This would almost certainly be the case with rape, and these ones are generally disfellowshipped, not reproved. When that happens, the same ones here that claim disfellowshipping is horribly cruel and excessive claim, in this case, that it is only a slap on the wrist and means nothing at all.
  15. Hello Randy. Nice to see a name and a real face, instead of someone hiding behind a 'mask'. I'm an ex JW. I'm not part of a religious group now. i don't have truth but i do recognise lies. Remember there is a scripture 'somewhere' about those 'without Law' doing the things 'of the Law'. In other words there were people that were not from the Nation of Israel so did not live under the Law, but they behaved in such a good way that they were better people than some of those who were under the law. I know about how the JW name came about, but it does not mean that what you are taught is truth. That was and still is a bit of brainwashing, that old saying "We are 'in the truth' ". It has been proven so many times that what has been taught was never truth at all. I'm sure I don't need to remind you of how the meanings of scriptures have been changed so many times, and the pretence is that it is 'new light'. As for some JW's doing bad, well a lot of things are kept hidden in the JW Org and now some of those things are coming into the light. The scriptures tell us that things done in darkness will come out into the light. Luke 8 v17. Sorry Randy, I was a JW for years and just accepted everything i was taught, but now, since the the massive amount of child abuse / pedophilia problems, i have looked deeper into the things i was taught and I'm finding that a lot of it was never truth at all.
  16. TTH, you do come across as, A.sarcastic, and B. thinking of yourself as someone special.... You are an author, and deny it as you might, being an author serves you two purposes, it earns you money and gets you recognition. Now maybe, just maybe, those people that you disagree with know exactly you reasons for disagreeing with them, and maybe they don't 'take the bait' that you want them to. You do tend to make it known that you use most of your interactions for content in your books. Doing so also makes you seem less honest, or at least have less honest intentions. It's like saying, "the only reason I'm talking to you is to use you in my book to earn me money". For my part, if you use me in any of your books I think it's funny, but to some people that have a more serious outlook they may find it offensive. (I think Billy child finds it offensive that you use comments off here in your books ). As for your idea of 'parents telling grandparents' yes but that could be seen as gossip and that can be seen as 'causing a division in the congregation'. Surely you can understand that if people in the congregation start accusing others of being a pedophile, that would cause upset. You still haven't answered my question of 'Why can't it be announced directly from the platform ? Or is it because of the problem of being sued. If the pedophile knows that the parents in their congregation have been told then said pedophile will be aware that it will be spread around anyway, even though according to JW 'rules' it shouldn't be spread around. It really makes a comedy show of all of it. The Org needs people like the Apostle Paul in every congregation. Get everything out in the open. Wash the inside of the dish or bowl before trying to clean the outside, as Jesus said. Probably nothing new here for your book sorry
  17. Right the internet gives lots of different meanings to this WDS idea. So please explain what exactly you mean by it as it could be one of many things.
  18. While pointing to a physical mountain (Samaria), Jesus said no longer would centralized worship take place, because God is looking for those who worship in spirit and truth. (John chapter 4) Obviously, there were true, faithful believers since Christ who took his words to heart and built their faith on his teachings, for the larger part of 2,000 years. Along comes the Watchtower and changes everything. Salvation becomes the organization. The centralized worship of the organization staunchly expects loyalty and dedication to it, and its leadership. Why did the words Christ spoke to the woman at the well become valueless? Because men were inspired by a spirit other than that of God. Matt 24:24; Rev 13:11,15
  19. Hello John Just want to ask you a question , what religion are you from, and tell me how it is the truth? Jehovah Identified his people in the scriptures as you are my witnesses, so we are Jehovah Witnesses , and yes some witnesses turn to doing bad ,but Jehovah will certainly take care of those who do. Thanks
  20. If it is that bad, I would cash in my 401k, take the penalty hit, make sure my passport was in order, and exit, stage left! When they start rounding up people .... it's too late to make preparations, and execute plans. By the way ... I did exactly that, once in my life. I had no choice. If memory serves, it was a 20% penalty, AND I had to pay income tax on the proceeds.
  21. Maybe, just maybe, juusssstttttt maybe,.....the parents will tell the grandparents. At any rate, I cannot run these things by Alexandra. After a furious exchange, in which she was more shrill even than you, she blocked me. That makes three. Four, if you count Lloyd, who did not block me on Twitter, but did ban me on his website. These people do not like dissent. I have never been rude to any of them.
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