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  2. For anyone not aware of the context, check out this site owned by jw.org:
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    I don't actually know the latest. But I do know someone who knows a couple who just got sent home (unexpectedly) from their work assignment on the project. The surprise was based, I think, on delays. Covid-19 may have played a part in meetings with the town of Ramapo, or supply chains, or whatever. My son was interested in the solar and geo-thermal projects which were part of the plan (see the site above). He's already been involved in several solar projects, and one is paired with a geo-thermal project, also in upstate NY.
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    If the site is up to date, then little has been documented about anything since May 2021. Maybe that's OK, but I hadn't heard any updates for a while, and was concerned about the delay I just heard about. 5/26/2021 Presentation to Town Board 5/25/2021 PROCEDURE FOR WATCHTOWER PUBLIC HEARINGS 5/10/2021 Public Hearing Notice for DEIS, Zoning, and Comprehensive Plan Update 4/28/2021 Draft Environmental Impact Statement Appendices 4/28/2021 Draft Environmental Impact Statement 4/28/2021 Notice of Complete Draft Environmental Impact Statement and SEQRA Hearing 12/9/2020 Final Scope for Watchtower DEIS issued by Lead Agency on 12/9/2020 10/16/2020 Comments on Draft Scoping Document 9/23/2020 Informational Meeting Presentation 9/10/2020 SEQRA Notice 2 Resolutions Adopting Positive Declaration and Extending Public Comment Period 8/12/2020 Positive Declaration 8/12/2020 FEAF Part 1 FEAF Part 2 8/12/2020 Zoning Petition Concept Site Plan Draft Scoping Outline 8/5/2020
  3. in total agreement his name was never used by the bible writers and therefore never used by God when dealing with mankind the point being lucifer has nothing to do with satan ,unpopular as that may sound the hebrew word haylel at isaiah14:12 is only used once in the bible so is unique in its being recorded there
  4. I am in error here and I apologize. Even though the army (Ezek 38:4,7; Joel 2:1-5;1:4,6; Rev 9: 2,3,7-9,5; 13:11,12,5-7) that comes against remnant of God’s holy saints in the last days is massive and devastating, that army is not the “sand of the sea”. This, refers to God’s people - Gen 22:17; Gal 3:26; Hos 1:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10
  5. 2022 Calendar of Jehovah's Witnesses with 2022 year text 2022 Calendar of Jehovahs Witnesses with 2022 year text.pdf
  6. Indeed, friend. There are many examples where we can draw an encouraging parallel. We can see, when Noah was commissioned to build the ark, it was well over 37 years before judgment came to humanity. When Jehovah was angered by Israel in Numbers 32:13 of which I commented on, it took 40 years for a generation to undo what their fathers had done. When we see an overlapping generation, it is meant to be seen as instructional for the next generation to follow. All generations are linked by that inspirational claim to faith, just as it was with the prophets. 2 Peter 3:11-13 Are we a superior race, where we can claim to be better than Christ? If the son wasn't given that foresight, then we cannot force Jehovah as ancient Israel did, by their demands. We would not have learned anything as a race. Galatians 6:7 My intention was not to quarrel about faith. Nothing good ever comes out of it. I will continue with the intentions brothers Russell and Rutherford had as students of the bible.
  7. Huh. A year or so ago I reviewed footage of the Tulsa riots. It surfaced in response to then-currant racial tensions, and it was new to me. In the backdrop of city footage, there was a large billboard of Rutherford. Now I know why.
  8. Remember this, Jehovah God foretold and had a Prophet declare the news that Nineveh the Great City would be destroyed. Then, for reasons of his own, he changed his mind.
  9. A blogger here has a picture of Sister Claus where apparently her husband is obscured in the photo. (Not important to this topic, but I was baptized in Tulsa in 1967, and got bit by a dog while out in door-to-door service there. (Age 10.) Somehow, the police showed up almost instantly, and I remember my brother and I talking the police out of calling animal services to have the animal put down. The householder was crying because the police were insistent.)
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    The other pictures includes an article from a Tulsa paper advertising Rutherford's speech which (as @Space Merchant already mentioned) had actually happened on Monday, just prior to the major part of the riot. Notice as an aside that Tulsa had a population of 70,000 and it was promised that "thousands" of persons from Tulsa, if they lived another 4 years, would never die.
  10. As you may have already known @Space Merchant there is a bit more context here:
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    On Tuesday, May 31, 1921, what came to be called the Tulsa Race Massacre erupted in Tulsa, Oklahoma, U.S.A., after a black man was jailed and charged with assaulting a white woman. When a mob of more than 1,000 white men clashed with a smaller group of black men, the fighting spread quickly to the black neighborhood of Greenwood, where more than 1,400 homes and businesses were looted and burned. The official death toll was 36, but the actual number may have been in the hundreds. Brother Richard J. Hill, a black Bible Student and resident of Greenwood, related what happened: “On the night of the riot, we had our Bible study class as usual. After the class was over, we heard shooting downtown. We went to bed listening to it.” By Wednesday morning, June 1, the situation had worsened. “Some folks came and stated that if we wanted protection, we had better go to Convention Hall at once.” So Brother Hill along with his wife and five children fled to Tulsa’s Convention Hall. There, an estimated 3,000 black men and women were housed by the National Guard, who had been called in to restore order. About the same time, Brother Arthur Claus, who was white, made a courageous decision. “When I heard that rioting squads were running about throughout Greenwood, looting and setting fire to homes, I decided to check on my dear friend, Brother Hill.” Using The Harp of God, Arthur Claus taught a study class of 14 children Arriving at Brother Hill’s home, he encountered a white neighbor holding a rifle. The neighbor, also a friend of Brother Hill’s, assumed that Arthur was one of the rioters. “Why are you in this man’s yard?” he shouted. “Had I given him an unsatisfactory answer, he would have shot me,” Arthur recalled. “I assured him that I was Brother Hill’s friend and that I had been to his home many times.” Arthur and the neighbor successfully protected the property against the looters. Soon Arthur discovered that Brother Hill and his family were at Convention Hall. Arthur was told that black people could not leave there without an order signed by General Barrett, the officer in charge. Arthur related: “It was a real task to get to see the general. When I told him my plans, he asked: ‘Will you watch over this family and take care of their needs?’ Naturally, I heartily agreed.” With the order in hand, Arthur rushed to Convention Hall. He presented it to an officer who exclaimed: “Why, this is signed by the general himself! Do you know that you are the first person to take anyone from this place all day?” Brother Hill and his family were soon located. All of them crowded into Arthur’s car and headed home. “All of us stood equal among God’s dedicated people” Brother Claus made sure that Brother Hill and his family were safe. His example of fearless brotherhood had a good effect on others. Arthur related: “The neighbor who helped protect the Hill’s property drew closer to the truth. And a number of people got interested in the Kingdom because they saw that there were no racial barriers, that all of us stood equal among God’s dedicated people.”
  11. Really, Satan's name is unknown as it should be.
  12. At the very beginning of my comment, I have to notice how intensely you have given down votes to a large number of my comments since your name appeared on the forum. Now for the second time you call me a friend and even more, dear friend. I don’t mind either way of communicating. But friend, let me say a few words about what you wrote. The example from the desert and the example of Jerusalem have one thing in common when it comes to the time period of these events. Both events culminated in a short period, in just a few decades. As for the people in the desert, the report sets the time at 40 years, and as for Jerusalem, from Jesus ’words uttered in 33 CE to 70 CE, 37 years have passed. Well we see, when WTJWorg today, draws parallels and interpretations then it has obviously lost sight of the fact that the representative/s of each generation from both examples was/were at the beginning and end of the one and same event. There is no so called "overlap" in WTJWorg sense of meaning. Today’s doctrine of the “overlapping generation” that JWs preach, to themselves for the most part, has gone completely beyond the time frame of the biblical examples you cited. Why I emphasized the word today. Because WTJWorg has in the past announced Armageddon within a small number of years (one or two, three decades). Today, with the "overlapping generation", they are trying to get out of his own theology, which they imposed so strongly in the past. But again, they limited themselves in time frame, as it is hard for them to admit that Armageddon may not come for the next 50-100 years either. If they talked about it publicly in that way, they would be left without most of the membership, which is now in the organization. Well, they again limited themselves in time to two overlapping generations. Fortunately for them, the term they invented will give future WTJWorg theologians the opportunity to juggle terminology and a new interpretation for future generations of JW members. The behavior of humanity does not encourage people to look to the future with hope, we agree. But how far can that go? If God wants to save the innocent and from destroying the planet earth, he does not have to wait for the future. It could have done this many times already in the 20th century.., and not just because of the destruction of the planet. Well, do JWs think God will be motivated by a desire to save planet Earth to start Armageddon? Shouldn't his motive be primarily due to the destruction of human lives that have suffered from powerful people and villains from the ancient past to the present?
  13. i believe the word in hebrew at isiash 14:12 is haylel and it was the early cathloic popes who put the word lucifer in place of day star at isaiah which is talking about satan ,so it was never satans name ,but say it enough times and many will accept it
  14. Both Jesus and Satan can be refered to the Day Star, so context is important. These two Morning Stars or you can say Day Stars have been at each throats over Jehovah's Sovereignty since the founding of mankind. 2 Peter 1:19 New Living TranslationBecause of that experience, we have even greater confidence in the message proclaimed by the prophets. You must pay close attention to what they wrote, for their words are like a lamp shining in a dark place—until the Day dawns, and Christ the Morning Star shines in your hearts. Isaiah 14:12How you have fallen from heaven, O day star, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the ground, O destroyer of nations.
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  16. in the early greek translation lucifer is used in 2peter 1:19 for referencing jesus christ , and so we know satan has never been known as a light bearer ,,lucifer is never a name for satan
  17. Friend, I think you can see the parallel in Jesus words he personally spoke of that is recorded in the bible. Perhaps you are thinking of 1914. A specific date not entered in scripture, like 70 CE. Yet through history, we know of an event that happened in 70 CE that is in direct correlation and in harmony with scripture. Those who did accept certain warnings in 33 CE were caught off from the Roman destruction. The same can be said in the impending last days Jesus spoke of for a future and last prophecy of the ages. If we look at Jesus words, and if you wish to subject them as overlapping, then you will find many examples of overlapping generation in scripture. A simple one would be, The generation that had to wait until all that generation that sinned against Jehovah had died out. Which bible base conclusion is that from? The bible gives us, by faith, there will be a last judgment of humanity. We just need to see the evidence scripture provides us. 1 Corinthians 4:5, Jude 1:7, Luke 18:8, Hebrews 1:1-2, 2 Peter 3:3-4, 1 Timothy 4:1-3, 2 Timothy 3:1-5, Revelation 1:1-7, etc. This is referred to as "collective actions" by humanity. Before, we could hear of some deliverance, but not all at once as it is being witnessed and collected after 1914. Once that can be embedded in our hearts and minds, then the words in Matthew 24:36-44 become a comfort. The collective actions of humanity right now gives us that sequence of events that we are now witnessing. Can the faithful turn their backs on that? Definitely not dear friend. While no Christian should force their faith on others, they should be doers, as Jesus once was and is our greatest example of that faith. Brother Russell, welcomed everyone to participate in the study of the bible. If you wish to use the term overlapping, then consider how many generations, has been hearing the gospel of Christ since his death, and now many generations after Jesus death has heard the right gospel of Christ. 1 John 2:18 You will get different answers from the same term. However, we can see through scripture, there are many examples of overlapping generations recorded, by the fate of many in the past that is recorded in scripture for our benefit.
  18. You may find this to be of interest. "When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause? (Job 38:7) Morning Stars are in pural. Since Monring Stars represent the Beginning of Creation. Who is the other Morning Star? (Rev 22:16)
  19. Strong's Exhaustive Concordance lucifer From halal (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star -- lucifer. see HEBREW halal
  20. why is lucifer used in some bibles?. and why is it associated with satan? when its meaning is that of a light bearer...
  21. No, they are not impossible to understand, it’s just that you chose the wrong analogy. GB member A. Morris once said that as the apostles had set decrees, so too, does the governing body. They have set their own analogy, in the manner of the apostles. But since these teach an earthly organization can be “inspired”, (“spirit-directed organization”), (Rev 13:15) while they personally are not, truthfully they are false apostles. “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.” 2 Cor 11:13 Since they pass doctrine and forecast dates of Armageddon and the coming Kingdom, they set their own analogy as prophets. But since these doctrines and predictions fail, they are truthfully, false prophets. “Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.” Matt 24:11 Since they only, among all anointed, take on the role of dispensing spiritual food, they have set their own analogy as the “faithful and discreet slave”, teachers solely in charge of providing “fruit”/sustenance for the house of God. But since their teachings do not last, but rot, they are in essence, false teachers. “But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.” 2 Pet 2:1 “So then, you will recognize them by their fruit.” Matt 7:20 Putting themselves ahead of all Christ’s brothers and sisters, has set their own analogy as already deemed the “faithful and discreet slave”, but since they silence the anointed by telling them to obey the exalted elder body(2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2), which prevents them from acting as the priest/teachers God appointed them to be - offering their daily sacrifice as they should (Dan 8:11,12) – this GB is truthfully, the evil slave of Matt 24:48-51. “The kings (elders) of the Gentiles rule over their subjects, and those in authority over them (over the Gentile elders) are called ‘friends of the people.’(GB) But that’s not the way it will be with you. Instead, the greatest among you must become like a person of lower status and the leader like a servant.” Luke 22:25-26 These men set their own analogy by stating they are servants of Christ – "anointed" ones following the path Jesus set before us. But since they “kill” their own brothers and sisters who cannot accept their false teachings (Rev 13:11,12,15), they are truthfully, false “christs”. “False christs and false prophets will appear, and they will offer signs and wonders in order to deceive, if possible, those whom God has chosen.” Mark 13:22 There are many analogies to make concerning the GB, but Cyrus is not one of them.
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    This has to be good Halloween and Valentine’s Day have been canceled for elementary-school students in a Michigan district over concerns about being “inclusive” and “equitable.” East Lansing Public Schools informed parents of the decision to cancel the two holidays this week, the Lansing State Journal reports. The celebrations were dropped because of concerns over hurt feelings by kids in families who don’t want them to participate, the district’s elementary-school principals said in a joint letter to parents. “Each year, along with the fun of Halloween parties and parades, we also have students whose families do not celebrate or feel comfortable with their children participating in Halloween festivities,” the principals wrote. “We have young children who become overwhelmed and sometimes frightened of the costumes and others who come to school with no costume at all.” Officials also added that it was difficult for students to remain concentrated on classwork amid Halloween celebrations. As for Valentine’s Day, the principals said some families and students “do not feel comfortable with the idea of boys and girls exchanging valentines or participating in a celebration that focuses on ‘love.’ “While some students bring valentines to exchange, others do not,” the principals wrote. “In our upper elementary classrooms, the exchange of valentines sometimes leads to classroom drama and teasing.” Assistant Superintendent Glenn Mitcham said Halloween and Valentine’s Day could still be incorporated into the curriculum – they just won’t be celebrated going forward. As an example, he said classes could measure a pumpkin to learn about its circumference. “We’re striving hard at East Lansing Public Schools to be a district that is equitable and inclusive for all families,” the principals wrote. The news comes just days after a Seattle elementary school announced it had canceled its annual Halloween parade this year – because it “marginalizes students of color who do not celebrate the holiday.” Some Jehovah’s Witnesses, evangelical Christians and Muslims are among those who do not celebrate Halloween. The decision to cancel the Pumpkin Parade at Benjamin Franklin Day Elementary School was made by the Racial Equity Team. Well I think that is one piece of good news.
  22. "But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of *angels* ("messengers" Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9), to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel." Heb 12:22-24 "Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us" Heb 12:1 3 "And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.” "When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them." "Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them." Rev 11:3,7,11,12 "For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord." 1 Thess 4:15-17 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. Rom 8:18,19 "Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen." Rev 1:7 "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." Matt 24:30 "But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: 'Let all the *angels* of God worship Him.'” And of the angels He says: “Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire.” Heb 1:6,7 Jesus answered and said to him, “Because I said to you, ‘I saw you under the fig tree,’ do you believe? You will see greater things than these.” 51 And He said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, hereafter you shall see heaven open, and the *angels* of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man.” John 1:50,51

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