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  2. SEEING IS BELIEVING Widespread expression, but this kind of thinking is actually quite short-sighted. Why is that? There are so many things that we cannot see and yet our lives revolve around them. For instance, we don’t see the air but it fills our lungs and it caresses our skin. We don’t see odors, but our nose picks them up. Nor we see sound waves, but our ears are sensitive to them. There’s a pretty good chance you have never seen your brain, and yet you are using it right now to parse this illustration! We don’t see God nor faith, but if our heart is sincere it will detect Him, befriend Him, and love Him.
  3. ROD OF MOSES Exodus 4:2: In that verse, God asked Moses: “What is that in your hand?” Moses’ answer was: “A rod.” Jehovah used that rod as a symbol of the authority and the commission he gave to Moses. (Exodus 4:5) Moses did well when he used his authority for God’s glory, but he displeased God when he used it to glorify himself and to berate his brothers. (Numbers 20:9-13) This account illustrates how God’s servants should make wise use of the authority or gifts God provides. We should not use them to assert authority over others, but, rather, to bring praise and honor to Jehovah.
  4. Thanks for comment. I conclude from your comment how you made argumentation about two sort of "perfection". That is also what i was try to explain and present. And, of course, terminologically, people have various ideas what "perfection" means to them. :))
  5. The very second he rebelled against God; he became a damaged angelic being. I believe, scripture stipulates how Satan tempted Jesus to become imperfect as Adam if he bowed down to Satan's will. Did Jesus lose his perfection? No! I believe scripture also states, Satan will be destroyed at the end. One can compare the word "destroyed" to mean death, just like Adam meet his death by imperfection. That goes for the angels who followed Satan. Therefore, this is a non-argument.
  6. Perfection has to do with fitness for a particular purpose. I think the person that invented Vise-Grip Pliers should have gotten the Nobel Prize.
  7. I made suggestion how people don't need to be "perfect" to be able speaking truth. Definition of truth (Entry 1 of 2) 1 a (1): the body of real things, events, and facts : ACTUALITY (2): the state of being the case : FACT (3) often capitalized : a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality b: a judgment, proposition, or idea that is true or accepted as true truths of thermodynamics c: the body of true statements and propositions 2 a: the property (as of a statement) of being in accord with fact or reality b chiefly British : TRUE sense 2 c: fidelity to an original or to a standard 3 a: sincerity in action, character, and utterance b archaic : FIDELITY, CONSTANCY 4 capitalized, Christian Science : GOD in truth : in accordance with fact : ACTUALLY In that sense, about idea of "perfection". What are your thoughts about devil and his angels. Did devil lost his "perfection"? Did he lost his abilities as spiritual creatures? In case of Adam and Eve, people said how they lost their "perfection" in meaning: they lost everlasting life, they lost to stay young, they lost continuation to be and stay in "perfect" health of body and mental power etc. In that meaning (comparing), what do you think: Did devil lost his power "to fly", be invisible, to making supernatural things of all kind as it is described in Bible? Does his ability to deceive is less powerful (less "perfect") today than before? Because, perhaps as in case of interpretation made by religious people - as people are far from genuine perfection of Adam and Eve, they come to be "more imperfect". What ever that is and can be. If this is explanation or one of explanations, as reason why people going from "bad to worst",... than it is strange how people today are able to do "more" (more in every sense) than people before, more than people who was "closer" to "perfection", because time gap between them and Adam and Eve was less than it is from people today. I can conclude how "perfection" or "imperfection" is not guarantee for anyone, will/would he speak the truth or not. Devil spoke lie to Adam and Eve when he was "perfect". His lie happened to be Before God called/give him a name "snake", much before God "dfd" him. In fact, i have to ask: Do you now some Bible verse who give some idea or reason to believe that devil had come been "imperfect" after rebellion? (he became imperfect after the lie was told?) Adam and Eve also spoke lie, and that was happened before God send them out of Eden. In this examples i don't see nothing, but evidence how "perfection" of all sort, of any kind, does not mean inability to act as "imperfect" (to tell a lie - purposely, for example ...... ) Or to look on "imperfection" as only reason why somebody tell wrong, error statement :))
  8. Wow! A) Jesus didn't provide no information's to GB, because miracles stopped in 1 century :)) What does one have to do with the other? I’m sure, not even you can sustain such notion. B) Ideas that GB imagined to be "truth" was "empowered" by?? in their everyday Bible reading Who in the world is “??” that can’t be described as the power of God. C) Truth can't be neither imperfect nor perfect. "The Truth" can be - or truth or lie Are you suggesting the apostles and prophets were “perfect"? D) GB statement in WT article: Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food.” Watchtower 2017 Feb p.26 is complete nonsense. Why? Does this mean the rest of Christendom is dispensing the “correct” spiritual food to its followers knowing full well that in one instance, they “accept” the killing of their fellow man under the claims of patronage? Does that make the POPE, equal to Christ, since the Vatican long held the office of the papacy to be infallible? Does that mean, the Holy Wars are justified? You, out did yourself Srecko. You ex-witnesses make me laugh! If you are going to keep misrepresenting that article. At the very least try to understand “WHY” it was written and for what purpose, it can be compared to the action and behavior of the rest of Christendom as a whole. Not only has this site lost its academic approach, but also the front page caption and description of intelligent people.
  9. Somebody made a video about Amos 3:7 and many of GB statements how they are not inspired. Verse is - Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. According to this God's promise, in this period of time and in ANY period of time, if JHVH is pleased to do it (especially IF this period is/are Last days of this Old World and time when God introducing change on worldwide scene for Kingdom) it can/would be expected that God Reveals such Things to HIS servants aka prophets aka FDS aka GB of WT Organizaton. Because that is something what JW member is expecting and what was thought to expect - to hear Life Saving Instruction even if such Instruction maybe Not Sound Reasonable from Human Standpoint. As Bible provide examples of God's past dealings with human and of His way of Revealing His Will, it is very notable and significant to notice how such Revelations was done in supernatural way, or in Bible wording "By Inspiration". Well, it seems how we have dilemma and problem with our Trust to GB as Group of Man who leading 8 billion people to safety of NW. If they were not "Inspired" all this time, it can be how they wandered through the Modern Desert not founding the way to Promised Land. And they still do this same thing today. Do You Trust Them as You Trust JHVH or Jesus??!! :))
  10. If you don't mind i would put that in this way: A) Jesus didn't provide no information's to GB, because miracles stopped in 1 century :)) B) Ideas that GB imagined to be "truth" was "empowered" by ?? in their everyday Bible reading C) Truth can't be neither imperfect nor perfect. "The Truth" can be - or truth or lie D) GB statement in WT article: Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food.", Watchtower 2017 Feb p.26 is complete nonsense. Why? Because: 1) Nothing of that sort was not written in Bible. 2) FDS "appointment" was about sharing food, and NOT about producing any sort of food, because food has already produced by Jesus in his Teachings.
  11. If the truth that Jesus hands down to the governing body turns out to be wrong then it is imperfect truth.
  12. “We must get to the bottom of the truth.” In Surgut, the Head of the Human Rights Council Interviewed Witnesses Who Were Tortured On August 14, 2019, Mikhail Fedotov, the head of the Presidential Council for the Development of Civil Society and Human Rights (HRC), met with local Jehovah's Witnesses in Surgut (Yugra) who officially announced the torture inflicted on them by law enforcement officers. The meeting was also attended by the head of the Investigative Committee in Yugra, the first deputy prosecutor of Yugra, the deputy chief of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Yugra, the deputy governor of Yugra and the mayor of the city of Surgut. On the part of the Witnesses, 28 people were present — victims, as well as members of their families who helped them cope with the psychological consequences of the experience. After the meeting, Mikhail Fedotov said: "My conclusion: We must get to the bottom of the truth. The President is very negative about the facts of torture. We remember his words that this is an absolutely unacceptable practice."
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  13. On August 15, 2019, in the Zheleznodorozhny District Court of Khabarovsk, the criminal investigation against local resident Valery Moskalenko, 52, was completed. He faces up to six years in prison because in the spring of 2018 in a hotel conference room he allegedly talked with friends about faith in Jehovah God. The case is being heard by Judge Ivan Belykh. Debate will begin August 28. The prosecution will announce the sentence they are requesting be imposed on the believer.
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  14. Are you somehow suggesting the Old Testament is the Only truth, and the New Testament was inspired by lies? That's a first. Did Jesus see the writers of the OT? Hmm! 🤔
  15. Only if you don't understand the message and misrepresent it just like any other ex-witness. You have to do better Srecko. There are intelligent people out there that can see even in a cloud of smoke. 😁
  16. I would suggest you go back to school, and restart not from middle school but from elementary. Your grammar and language skill argument is just the same ignorance you use, when you can't win an argument intelligently. Only obtuse people, argue language and grammar. Srecko has been here long enough to understand people, just like people here understand where Srecko is coming from. If they don't they usually ask for clarification. A nut as yourself should have learned that long ago. The fact you make it an argument, continues to illustrate how childish you really are. Blah! Blah! Woof ! Woof! Take you feeding bottle like a good little girl! 😁
  17. You just spoiled it! Did that spiritual cell keep you incarcerated? You are here in defiance of the Watchtower. You are here in defiance of scripture. I believe your jailer is not the Watchtower, but Satan, that holds you mentally blind and captive in that hypothetical cell of yours. 🤔
  18. I just made few way of possible reasoning on issue. And as result, each of this different views on matter can, may bring various outcomes on handling with JW people who done something that this religious organization not allow. As we see from various statements made by JW Representatives, this "sin - crime" issue is also "foggy" to them... Or it is not?! They said how Elders are to deal only with "sin" and Secular Authority to deal with "crime". But in cases of child abuse, it is obvious how such differentiation in 1) Terminology and in 2) Division of duties (among Elders and Worldly Officers) is bad for victims. Don't you agree? If victims suffer because Administrative Ideology and rules and protocols, than people in charge must CHANGE what they now doing. As Jesus said, when your animal falls in into a pit or into a hole at Sabbath - would you brake Sabbath Law and provide help or waiting for next day? Jesus was obviously showed "rebellious" solution :))) Would you allow for Children to wait on some Clark in JW Office to find time and way how to solve this problem?! Do you think that GB need to change attitude and brake "Sabbath Law" about this?! I hope you will say: no, on first and yes, on second.
  19. I have never dealt with the reasons for the aversion that exists between Croats and Serbs. Neighboring countries with very similar language but different Christian religions. Two small nations with big appetites. The 1991 conflicts arose and were caused by old, unresolved accounts in their relationships dating back to about 1941 (especially) and before. How much and in what measures Foreigner Powers was involved in conflict it is hard to say for me. They had, for sure, interests. And some of actors had their expectations in relation to West or East. They, Croats and Serbs, who was involved in conflicts in WW2 period as soldiers of regular armies and paramilitary groups and/or supporters of domestic governments and in this or that as supporters or in alliance with out side powers, done many crimes for sure. Tito was united many Yugoslav nations in resistance to domestic and foreign aggression and violence. But, obviously he had power and way how to unite all of them in one goal, freedom and own state. After his dead, and changes in east block, fall of Wall, awaking of people who want separate states, which is one of possibility made by YU Constitution everything went in that direction. Why leaders of YU Republics didn't that wisely and without conflicts and suffers and many deaths ....?
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