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Did the 1st Century Christians cry out for Human Rights and Compensation ?

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Thank You so much for your assistance in providing this information for US! Do you know where I might obtain notebook for “Love Never Fails” Thanks.

Are we going to see unprecedented famine in Africa? There are reports of enormous locust swarms in Africa eating up pastures and crops.

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The holy place refered to God's temple in the holy city of Jerusalem. Daniel 9:24 There are 70 weeks that have been determined for your people and your holy city,(.....) 26 “And the people of a leader who is coming will destroy the city and the holy place.... For all those who confuse "the spiritual temple of God" about which apostle Paul spoke with a material God's temple or "sanctuary" or "fortress" or "the established place of his sanctuary" or "holy place" Daniel 11:30,31; 8:11,13, think about this: In the first century the spiritual temple consisting of anointed Christians survived, but the literal God's temple, literal holy place was destroyed. So it will be once more. And the language in Daniel clearly refers to a material holy place in the end time that will be desolated. Daniel speaks about a sanctuary and a 'fortress' and an 'established place of his sanctuary' and a 'holy place'. (Daniel 11:30,31; 8:11,13) And Daniel makes a distinction between "to make both the holy place and the army things to trample on?”(Daniel 8:13) The "holy place" must be a literal holy place, while the "army" is the army of Jehovah's witnesses, especially of the anointed Jehovah's witnesses in general. What is then "the holy place" of Jehovah's witnesses? Foremostly the headquarters of Jehovah's witnesses are "the holy place". There is not anything that could be a more holy place for Jehovah's witnesses on earth. I think all Jehovah's witnesses would agree on that. And the prophecy is about them. So we should be in expectation of an attack on the headquarters of Jehovah's witnesses in USA. And an arrogant president could well come there and defile the place with an idol representing a political power and mockingly claim to be more powerful than God, and mockingly announce himself God. And because the holy place are the headquarters of Jehovah's witnesses in USA, then the only "king" that can do that is the president of USA. Thus the king of the north in the end time is the president of USA. And in reality, all the prophecies about time, times and half a time, 42 months, 1260 days and 1290 days and the 1335th day are about the final 3 and half years up to Armageddon. So they have nothing to do with events at 1914-1922 or 1939-1945. And the disgusting thing is literally placed as an object. So it is not UN. And it has nothing to do with UN or the Ligue of Nations. Such explanations or just farfetched erroneous interpretations.

Wrong! It really means time, time and half a time, which equals to 1260 days or 42 months 30 days each.

Have we literally seen that? No. Without twisting scriptures, the man of sin is a single person as we see it in the scripture. We should not be so unpatient that we are unable to wait him to appear. That was the point of apostle Paul, when he wrote this. Otherwise we fall into the same trap of impatience as WT organization who claim that the man of sin has already appeared in a collective form of clergy. Really why repeat the impatience of the WT organization? Please, wait instead the clear and complete fulfillment of the prophecy concerning the man of sin or man of lawlesness. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god. At this moment nobody is "publicly showing himself to be a god". Here Apostle Paul is speaking in literal terms. So wait for a literal clear fulfilment of this prophecy. 2Thessalonians 2: 9 But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders. What are "powerful work and lying signs and wonders"? I just googled and found an answer to that question that corresponds quite well with my understanding:

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Here is the quote from that page: Before the coming of the day of the Lord—a time of wrath and judgment—certain events must take place. Among these are a worldwide moral and spiritual rebellion, and the appearance of a "man of lawlessness." Paul points to Satan as the evil person who brings the man of lawlessness into power. Satan enables him to perform "false signs and wonders." One of the miracles is mentioned in Revelation 13:13 as that of making fire drop from heaven in public view. Another miracle is that of giving the power of speech to the idol he erects (Revelations 13:15), in honor of the first beast—another end-times figure, appearing in Revelation 13:1–8. These so-called miracles are counterfeit according to 2 Thessalonians 1:9, but they are intended to dupe people into thinking the man of lawlessness is the Messiah. Jesus, the true Messiah, authenticated His claim to be the Promised One by performing genuine miracles. False miracles are distinguished first by the person who performs them (Matthew 7:16, 20; 1 John 4:2–6), since any person who opposes God cannot be granted God's power. True miracles also support God's Word and His truth. As the apostle John noted: "These [miracles recorded in the Gospel of John] are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ [the Messiah], the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name" (John 20:31) I am appalled that many exJWs can't see the simple truth about this scripture.

The sins of GB are of course disgusting, but the 'disgusting thing.. standing in a holy place' is a completely different thing. Let's not forget that.

It helps a LOT ... when the wicked people that God wants exterminated, have a LOT of valuable Real Estate.

Out of question did ALL people and children in "promised land" was so wicked and have to be killed or to be given a second, third or fourth chance to regenerate and stay alive (appendix*), I would like to comment this side of issue. God is absolutely Justice and Mercy. In that aspect His angels-warriors are able to done such task of "killing" wicked people. Or not? Did Noah flood was done with help of angels or by some other proces that God himself put in work? If His angels already had experience in bloodshed of wicked, why God found how His chosen people, human, had to learn how to kill, to learn to be organized in killing process and war tactics. Why He want that minds of this Israelite (soldier) be drag into dark side of human psyche. Beside this, warriors on battle field were not been able to bring "correct judgement" about who "deserve" to stay alive and who not, because "cleansing of the promised land" was not only battle in which Israel was involved through history. *appendix It is also interesting how all was about taking a land, more than about "wickedness" of people who already lived in "promised land". Because in many periods before and after this particular issue, God showing endless patient and mercy with all people, individuals and nations around the world, no matter how wicked they was/are.

The only pre-emptive war Israel participated in was the " cleansing " of the promised land. This was an execution of a judgment bymeans of Israel upon wicked peoples who burnt their children in fire and had atrocious sexual behaviours. God promised that Abraham's children would be given this land but their error must first come to it's full measure. This was not murder because jehovah does not murder. These pagans paid for their gross error. Just like Sodom & Gomorra - this was not murder but a judgment because it came from jehovah.

I hope somebody will survive Armageddon who knows how to make glass window panes, and cell phones.

If memory serves, the predominate language inAzerbaijani is Russian. I am guessing that this is the first crack in the ice that has frozen JWs out of the Russian Federation, and as I have mentioned about four times earlier, the ice will thaw and JWs will be "reinstated" by Vladimir Putin before the end of 2020. If that doesn't happen it's no big deal, as we (JWs) have never been right about ANY prediction, so I would have a really good excuse.

The European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) has made two decisions on complaints of Azerbaijani Jehovah's Witnesses*, obliging the government to pay them more than 24,000 euros of compensations. On February 20, the ECtHR announced its decision on the case "Nasirov et al versus Azerbaijan". The applicants were seven Azerbaijani citizens-members of Jehovah's Witnesses*. According to the ECtHR, in 2010 they were detained and taken to police stations for exhorting religious ideas. They were brought to administrative responsibility and fined by the amount equivalent to 200 euros on charges of distributing religious literature unauthorized by the authorities. The ECtHR found violation of the applicants' rights under Articles 5.1 (the right to the liberty and personal immunity) and 9 (the freedom of thought, conscience and religion) of the European Convention of Human Rights (ECHR), and obliged the authorities to pay compensations for the inflicted moral harm in the amount of 3000 euros to each applicant. Also, the ECtHR announced its decision on the case "Religious Community of Jehovah's Witnesses* versus Azerbaijan". The complaint concerned the ban on the import of several texts of Jehovah's Witnesses*. The ECtHR found a violation of the applicant's rights under Article 10 (freedom of self-expression and thought), and obliged the country's authorities to pay the compensation in the amount of 3000 euros for moral harm and 42.56 euros for legal expenses. * 396 Russian organizations of Jehovah's Witnesses were recognized as extremist in Russia; their activities were banned by a court decision. This article was originally published on the Russian page of 24/7 Internet agency ‘Caucasian Knot’ on February 20, 2020 at 11:29 pm MSK. To access the full text of the article, click here.

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I re-read what i wrote and stand by it. But if you wish to disagree that is your choice. (Free will) (As a side note, some folks don't like the word 'wrote' so replace with had written) As for your burblings about radioactive materials, um, trying to justify something here ? Great Britain was built on blood and slavery, as was America. But being no part of this world it does not give me a guilty conscience. I am a Christian that happens to live in England, and whilst I'm alive I have to live somewhere. I was also part of an Organisation that causes misery to hundreds or possibly thousands of children and adults. So I got out of that Organisation as soon as I had enough proof to satisfy myself that is wasn't all lies. So now I am no part of this world, and no part of that Organisation. It does leave me somewhat 'homeless' but it also gives me a clean conscience. Whereas you James, seem to be part of both the world and the Org. I think you call it reality ?

Seems, we established fact how all involved in our discussion have "free will" to act as they wish and can. Also we came to fact how God allows all what was and is in process in Universe including individual free will. You mentioned "angelic choice" about issue on Adam and Eve, and, assume, about everything what after was on Earth. How we can read from Bible text what particular event in human life is result of: 1) God's will and wish and plan 2) "Angelic choice" (good and bad angels) 3) Human free will to act or not to act ("human choice") 4) Coincidence and accidentally event 5) God's "judgement" An advanced understanding of this points (and some other) could help in answering the question of this topic, too.

You are right, it involves the “saints”/anointed today. The “constant feature” which has been removed, is otherwise called the “daily sacrifice”. (See NKJV for an example) The early priests were in charge of offering sacrifices on behalf of the nation of Israel, and as teachers, it was their responsibility to teach them God’s laws. Mal 2:7 Today’s priests are to offer spiritual sacrifices of truth, and carry the laws of God on their heart. Heb 8:10 1 Pet 2:5,9 “you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.” But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light" Heb 13:15 – “Therefore by Him let us continually offer the sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of our lips, giving thanks to His name. The anointed are the “temple”, as well as its members: "Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles (destroys) the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are." 1 Cor 3:16,17 "Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” 2 Thess 2:3,4 You can see that the “disgusting thing standing in the holy place” is the “man of sin”, or “lawlessness”. The word, “sits” refers to a form of rule: to set, appoint, to confer a kingdom on one The “disgusting thing”/man of lawlessness rules over the “holy place”/temple/anointed ones. It’s presence in God’s Temple profanes the sanctuary/dwelling place of God: “He began to speak blasphemies against God: to blaspheme His name and His dwelling (tabernacle, moveable temple/”living stones”)—those who dwell in heaven. 7 And he was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them. He was also given authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation.” Rev 13:6,7 The scriptures use the symbolic “times”, it doesn't mean literal years. “Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished.” Dan 12:7 The power of the saints is shattered by the removal of their “daily sacrifice”, their responsibilities as priests are taken away. “Say to the rebellious people, the house of Israel: This is what the Lord God says: I have had enough of all your detestable practices, house of Israel. 7 When you brought in foreigners, uncircumcised in both heart and flesh, to occupy My sanctuary, you defiled My temple while you offered My food—the fat and the blood. You broke My covenant by all your detestable practices. 8 You have not kept charge of My holy things but have appointed others to keep charge of My sanctuary for you.” “This is what the Lord God says: No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart and flesh, may enter My sanctuary, not even a foreigner who is among the Israelites. Ezek 44:6-9 Num.16:3-11,18,20,21,35,40 This appointment would be the “man of lawlessness” sitting/ruling over the Temple of God. “Have you not cast out the priests of the Lord, the sons of Aaron, and the Levites, and made for yourselves priests, like the peoples of other lands, so that whoever comes to consecrate himself with a young bull and seven rams may be a priest of things that are not gods?” 2 Chron 13:9 So, the “disgusting thing” is an “abomination”, a “detestable practice” committed within the Temple. Foreigners or “Gentiles” occupy the sanctuary as PRIESTS taking charge of the spiritual duties that only God's priests are to permitted to do. “But when you see the abomination of desolation standing where it should not be” (let the one who reads understand), “then those in Judea must flee to the mountains!” Mark 13:14 No one is to perform the priestly duties of “daily sacrifices” except God’s priests. How does this happen today? w02 8/1 p. 13-14 “Representing the royal priesthood are appointed ELDERS, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not. Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders! “ "Have you not cast out the priests of the Lord, the sons of Aaron, and the Levites, and made for yourselves priests, like the peoples of other lands" 2 Chron 13:9 You have not kept charge of My holy things but have appointed others to keep charge of My sanctuary for you.” Eze 44:8 “….And he was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them. Rev 13:7 Can you see how the power of the holy ones has been ‘dashed to pieces’ or as some translations say, “brought to nothing" within your very own organization, where the anointed/"kings of the earth" are gathered? Rev 1:5; 5:9,10; Rev 16:13,14; 20:7-10

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There used to be a calendar that had a lot of theocratic stuff but I can't find how to join that calendar. Does anyone know what that yearly calendar is or how to get the link To join that Google Calendar with your Google Calendar? I still have it but can't figure out how to share it. Thanks Chris

My wife just fixed me some popcorn ... I think I will just sit back and watch this one ....

Wrong! It is you that is Judging God, not me. Far be it from me as a devotee to Judge what God has a right to. Do angles have an independent choice? Have you heard of SATAN! Therefore, you are telling God, he needs brain washed robots. The point of “free will” is for humanity to exercise that choice between good and evil. Did God tell Satan to confuse the first pair? No! And because of that angelic choice, we are in the mess we are in, now. What needs to be understood is the word” judgement”. In the OT, God had direct judgement. God has every “right” to exercise that judgement. God has every right to claim his sovereignty. The Hebrews made a promise (solemn oath) to obey God. What did God get out of it? Israelites worshiping false Gods (BAAL). In the NT, Man “killed” his son, now Jesus becomes that instrument of judgement. God is merciful, and has been mocked by humanity since the beginning, including you. He doesn’t need your permission or consent on anything, but you need him to have a place in this world as a “repentant” person in his service. What was the point if Jesus sacrifice? Revelation 4:11 New International Version (NIV) 11 “You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being.” That goes for a “man of war” that decided to lay down his/her arms and repent and never pick up that weapon again. 2 Timothy 3:1-5 Revelation 4:11 Then you need to understand Exodus 20:13 in, an objective way. Exodus 20:13 New International Version (NIV) 13 “You shall not murder. Then what is the purpose of allowing man to do their worst to each other. Is it god, or Satan? What question needs to be answered that only God can answer for humanity?

4J; You need to go back, and carefully read what you have written. It is ENTIRELY based on false assumptions, and on how you FEEL surely what must be the case.. Just as an interesting aside .... not related to my trying to answer the the question of "Why ... ?", is that the development of atomic energy to make an atomic bomb contributed more to medical technology, by a factor of at least 100 to 1, than the human cost of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, since 1945. Every hospital in America, and my cardiologist, uses radioactive materials to diagnose and treat, and often cure disease of every sort. She gets canisters of short lived radioactive material every morning from a Pharmacy that daily creates and dispenses radioactive materials, because their half-lives are so short, by late afternoon, they are expended.

Any ideas why Aus info' went back 50 years but American database only goes back 23 years ?

It seems unlikely to me too. But although I don't expect any brothers to be underhanded, I have already seen evidence of underhandedness in this area. And it is always in the direction of making sure the WTS doesn't look as bad as it would have looked, had the spirit of the law been followed. This probably helped the WTS reputation during the years when nearly everyone else (colleges, NDA's, Vatican) was doing the same. Today, however, there are still cases even from relatively recently where the WTS goal appears to have been as follows: Don't allow a case to go public unless absolutely legally necessary, and if it seems like invoking clergy privilege can help avoid allowing a case to go public, then argue that, too. Before revealing something to authorities yourself, always find out if you legally are required to, first. The current Watchtower view and process is excellent because it recognizes that in the current state of affairs, this would be seen as a very shortsighted goal. "The end would be worse than the beginning" if any concealing from public scrutiny might be seen as a cover-up. To my mind, and I could be wrong, Australian cases already showed signs of being managed in an "underhanded" way, when it appeared that this data matched the claims and the sense I was getting from cases that were referenced and discussed, and the admissions of the elders who were questioned. I would agree with CC that it's not likely all of these cases represented actual crimes, but even accounting for that, not one of the actual crimes was ever reported to proper authorities. But I'm also trying to understand some additional informatin I was made aware of through a personal contact, now at Warwick. It was that the former Branch Overseer of Australia, who would have been questioned by the ARC, had fled the country/continent. I was even told what country he went to. Later I heard online reports (likely from ex-JWs) matching this "gossip" from an elder at Warwick, plus an additional online report (no additional confirmation) of a second Branch "official" who also fled the country.

Yes, tom is certainly not a 'spiritual man'.

Wrong :)) What about much more examples when His angels did nothing for saving innocent people? Was this angel's inactivity because God didn't command action? Or angels have independent choice to decide who they will "kill" and who to "save"? Also ..... His angel didn't save innocent Abel, as you suggested in previous comment how He done exactly that in some other events with some other people. Some would say how God has right to give life and to take life. No one who trust God don't think how He would "kill" innocent people, but also every one expect from Him to punish evil people. What will be punishment? If you have problem with idea, does He with own hand execute evil or He giving order to someone else to execute evil, that is less important in final result.