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The Bible is a canonical collection of texts considered sacred in Judaism or Christianity. Different religious groups include different books within their canons, in different orders, and sometimes divide or combine books, or incorporate additional material into canonical books. Christian Bibles range from the sixty-six books of the Protestant canon to the eighty-one books of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church canon. FcShrineofthebook.jpg The Cover Photo above is of The Dead Sea Scrolls on display in the Shrine of the Book, part of the Israel Museum, Jerusalem. Avi Ohayon/The State of Israel Government Press Office

  1. What's new in this club
  2. Yesterday the final (4th) installment of the 2018 volume of Journal of Biblical Literature was published. Among the articles in it is a new manuscript of the Gospel of John, dating to the third to fourth centuries. The manuscript is scrappy, as these things often are, a few verses from the end of chapter 1 and the beginning of chapter 2. On the back is a fragment of an unknown early Christian text. An rare instance of the word "God" in Greek, not in nomen sacrum form, but fully written out is one of the interesting findings in it. For those interested in reading the article, here it is. Willoughby John-JBL 2018.4.pdf
  3. I just came from HQ as well we went in beginning of November. I took pictures of everything on display as well. Here is 4Q120 - I also have the Psalms Scroll, Ten Commandments and Septuagint all on papyrus and many more including Facsimiles and Originals of much of what is at Bethel on ebay. {Lisa.joeywit}
  4. Just saw these exhibits yesterday. Both of them are excellent. Going back tomorrow, Sunday, to get a few more pictures for my parents after the meeting there. There are two exhibits, a "Rotational Bible" exhibit and a "Divine Name" exhibit. Both are excellent. I spent from 10am in the morning until 4pm in the afternoon, mostly in these two exhibits. These displays are much larger than the earlier versions of this display. Also, although it's less personal, you don't go through any displays with a tour guide. You go through with an audio device that is a little bit like a small portable phone with a keypad and headphones. The device contains hundreds of mp3 files that you access by the numbers next to the displays. You can take all the time you want to listen to all the sound files or only the ones you are most interested in. Some of them will reference additional sound files for further information on a topic. You will notice that a lot of numbers are skipped, and of course, I had to play them all. You might discover that there must have been some items that are not yet on exhibit, or which were planned and not available for exhibit, or moved or removed. (Sorry, but these things interest me, too.) Most of the very old items are facsimiles, but they have done an incredible job reproducing and displaying most of them exactly as if you are looking at the original. And the description always tells you accurately if it's a facsimile. There are some key pieces that should be in the display, and I hope they get them. Qumram (Dead Sea Scrolls) 4Q120 for example. I think that @bruceq sells a replica of 4Q120. A portion of the display could also put the pieces together in the interesting way that it was presented in the October monthly program of JWB. It would require just a few more pieces or facsimiles. On a personal note, about a separate display, my great grandfather and great grandmother both have their pictures shown in parts of two other historical displays. (They were Chicago Bible Students, and he was a speaker who traveled with Russell.) You might be surprised at the items they will accept for donation and potential display. I was pleased to see they found a way to work in a stack of information that was very difficult to "source" and they found a way to work in about 50 of those items into a projected wall kiosk where you can scroll through the information by touching arrows on the wall. I think that anyone who loves to do research will notice a lot of little things that they might still be looking for. This could include rare publications, rare photos of some historical interest, or even just the date of R J Martin's birth, for example. (He's the brother who got Beth Sarim for Rutherford and you'll notice that his picture has the year of his death, but only a "?" for the year of birth.)
  5. You can read and even help us build our own local copy of this work here in our very own wiki:
  6. You can read and even help build our own local copy here in our very own wiki section:
  7. natesl18

    Chronological Bible Reading - One Year

    @The Librarian No worries, I really appreciate your help. The verse by verse reading is fantastic - I just don't want to lose it......
  8. The Librarian

    Subject Bible Reading - One Year

    Anyone have a copy of this. The link above has been lost unfortunately.
  9. The Librarian

    Chronological Bible Reading - One Year

    Wow... That was an older post... I will have to see if I can find those again. Sorry.
  10. natesl18

    Chronological Bible Reading - One Year

    @The Librarian Thank you so much for finding this, but the PDF is not linked. Does that mean its been removed? or disabled?
  11. The Librarian

    Chronological Bible Reading - One Year

    @natesl18 I had a hard time finding this one too. Thanks for alerting me.
  12. Hankulan Tunani

    Cannibalism and the Holy Bible

    Yá'át'ééh, ʼÁh nístsʼííd. Nizhónígo ałhééhosiilzįįd
  13. BillyTheKid46

    Cannibalism and the Holy Bible

    ma rʉawe Wa'ipu. Ʉnha hakai nʉʉsuka?
  14. James Thomas Rook Jr.

    Cannibalism and the Holy Bible

    For our big meal of the day, my wife and I eat at Golden Corral Restaurant almost every day, because it is right on the way home from her work, and she gets off from teaching school at 3:15PM ... and if you get there before 4PM, you can pay the special LUNCH price, and at 4 PM, the dinner menu comes out,and you can eat STEAK and the Dinner Menu, for the price of lunch. It is cheaper than buying the same quantity and variety of foods at the grocery stores ... there is no preparation, and NO DISHES! to wash !! I thought I could eat steak EVERY day, and did for awhile ... but it became "tiresome", and boring ... so in a limited sense I can understand how one might tire of eating people. I have heard that human flesh tastes "just like pork" ... in fact, one nickname for human flesh is "Long Pig". IN the Scriptures Jehovah expressed lament that Jews under siege would be driven to cannibalism, and they were ... several times while warring ...BUT HE NEVER PROHIBITED CANNIBALISM ! (... presumably war dead who had bled to death ...), so the definition of "Wrong" would have to come from CULTURAL squeamishness and aversion ... as Jehovah God NEVER said it was wrong to eat people ... just repulsive as a cultural standard. I guarantee you this ... go about three weeks without eating and seeing your children starving to death in front of your eyes will add a great deal of "flexibility" to your outlook on this issue. In the Soviet Gulags, between barracks, in winter, the prisoners would raid and murder each other, and when the bodies were found, invariably their livers would be missing. It's really all a matter of perspective, what ideas you are used to, and how hungry you are. To me, wasting food is a sin, and protein is protein in an extreme emergency ... AND, Jehovah does NOT really care, except that the blood belongs to him, and must not be eaten. When I am finished with these "mortal coils" I hope that someone can make use of it, when I no longer can ... and on my driver's license, have indicated that I am an organ donor... ...perhaps with a nice Chianti Wine, and some Fava beans. (chitchitchitchit), and some hungry Brother and his children will have me over, for dinner. ... a "Last Supper", as it were. I will try NOT to give them indigestion.
  15. James Thomas Rook Jr.

    Cannibalism and the Holy Bible

    There is an interesting analog to what I am trying to convey to you. The United States Constitution, WHEN READ CORRECTLY, specifically enumerates the powers and authority the Federal Government has. If it's not on the list, and there is an INFINITE number of things that is NOT on the list ... those powers are reserved to the States, or to the People of the Unites States. It was designed that way to encourage generations of LIBERTY. This is why both political parties are fighting to have the Supreme Court Justice they want ... so it will be read THEIR way ... to support THEIR world view of how things should be. One side wants the Constitution interpreted exactly as written, and the other side wants it interpreted to read to support their "progressive" evolved ideas. If that side wins, everything not specifically allowed ... will be forbidden, and there will be TYRANNY. In like manner ... I do not have to show that Jehovah PERMITS or supports cannibalism, because my position is that he does not care at all, if the blood is properly drained out, the burden of proof is on you to show it is FORBIDDEN. All you need is one clear, unambiguous in context Scripture to prove me wrong. Want to try again? Be a sport!
  16. James Thomas Rook Jr.

    Cannibalism and the Holy Bible

    The ONLY way I could have been more clear is to use dry erase markers on a white-board, with extra large printed letters. You were challenged on your reading comprehension and analysis skills, and FAILED. With all you many fuzzy references ... you FAILED to produce ONE Scripture that shows that God PROHIBITS humans from eating human flesh, as they did in Jerusalem under siege (presumably bled-out war dead...). That is why you DID NOT produce a single scripture that PROVED your viewpoint. I do not have to show a Scripture showing that God supports cannibalism ... It is my current position that God has left that issue entirely up to us, and has no "position" at all on cannibalism. God also has no stated position on bicycles, or a truly INFINITE number of other topics. Please PROVE me wrong. Fuzzy customs, taboos, and cultural morays do NOT count. Want to try again? Be a sport!
  17. Hankulan Tunani

    Cannibalism and the Holy Bible

    I’m being a sport. Aside from the ones already offered, I don’t see things the way you do. When someone adds to scripture to benefit their understanding while not seeing the logic that makes up what is cannibalism, those thoughts are your own. But you are right. The there is no reference to the word cannibal. So, enlarge the fonts all you want, it still won’t make it right in the eyes of God as a standard, since you wish to reject what is blood, hurting one another, killing, and dead flesh is stood for in scripture. Unless you consider afterbirth placenta to be live flesh. Then, be a sport James and recite a Bible text that supports cannibalism.
  18. James Thomas Rook Jr.

    Cannibalism and the Holy Bible

    "DO NOT GO BEYOND THE THINGS THAT ARE WRITTEN"
  19. James Thomas Rook Jr.

    Cannibalism and the Holy Bible

    Hankulan Tunani: I have no agenda other than to try to get people to think correctly, and without examining all the scriptures you quoted for hard data, context and possible nuances, let me state that it is my understanding that Jehovah's viewpoint on matters and human viewpoints ... their cultural squeamishness and self imposed taboos ... are QUITE DIFFERENT. As a classic example, it is my understanding that John the Baptist ate LOCUSTS, beut let me tell you dis in no uncertoin toirms I AIN'T EATIN' NO LOCUSTS ! No Way! No How! Absolutely NOT! Ain't gonna happen ... unless ... unless ... ( there is almost always an "unless" ...) I have not eaten in four or so days. I used to HATE liver ... but one day in Los Angeles, after not having eaten for four days, I found a quarter in some old clothes, and from a street vendor on Vine Street bought a small bag of fried liver. This was 50 years ago, and I remember that morning in exquisite detail. The point I am trying to make is this: Many things we love, or abhor, Jehovah God has no opinion on whatsoever. It's "how we were raised", etc. The Bible MENTIONS cannibalism as something that occurred, several times. Jehovah Laments that it "came to that" when Jerusalem was under siege by enemies and was being starved into submission. But unless you can show me a clear and unambiguous direct scripture where Jehovah God specifically FORBADE cannibalism .... HE DID NOT! We have an obligation to adopt Jehovah's Standards .... NOT OUR OWN ... when it comes to serious things such as an almost universal human taboo .... OTHERWISE in other more common experiences .. we load heavy burdens on the Brotherhood that are nothing more than "how we were raised" ... which varies from time to time, and from place to place, and dishonors Jehovah God by making him a hand puppet when we are supplying the words! If you can show me from Jehovah's own specific words about cannibalism that he DID specifically forbid it .. I will instantly change my viewpoint, admit here that I was wrong, and beg your humble pardon. The burden is on you to show me I am wrong, not that I am a Barbarian, which I freely admit to. When we "go beyond the things written", it dishonors Jehovah God by making him a false religious hand puppet where we threaten others by invoking the authority of God, where we are supplying the words! .... and creates a tyranny of the Brotherhood. As to your other point ... Jehovah has clearly and unambiguously prohibited the use of blood for sustaining human life. Many times, OT and NT. Be a sport! Give me one exact, unambiguous, contextually accurate specific scripture where God has FORBIDDEN cannibalism, and post it here for all to read and learn from.
  20. Hankulan Tunani

    Cannibalism and the Holy Bible

    Yep! Your right. Scripture doesn’t say anything about Cannibalism. I'm sure glad everyone tells the truth here. 1. 2 Kings 6:24-33 New American Standard Bible (NASB) The Siege of Samaria—Cannibalism 2 Kings 6:24-33 Lexham English Bible (LEB) Besieged Samaria Resorts to Cannibalism 2. Ezekiel 5 New International Version (NIV) God’s Razor of Judgment 3. Leviticus 26:27-30 4. Lamentations 2:16-21 5. Jeremiah 19:7-10 6. Deuteronomy 28:52-57 Murder is wrong. can it be extrapolated to be part of cannibalism if you kill to eat, unless you snort bath salt Just like that guy in Florida, attacked another person to start eating him alive? https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/face-eating-cannibal-attack-latest-bath-salts-incident/story?id=16470389 1. Exodus 20:13 2. Leviticus 24:17 3. Matthew 5:21 Now, people can get technical by suggesting they are referring to dead flesh. But can it be that scripture also refers to dead flesh? Deuteronomy 28:57 So, what kind of cannibalism is not referenced in the canonized bible? I wonder if drinking human blood is considered cannibalism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-cannibalism I wonder what jiminy cricket would say. But wait, none of this has to do with cannibalism, never mind. ?
  21. James Thomas Rook Jr.

    Cannibalism and the Holy Bible

    Since there is ABSOLUTELY no Biblical prohibition against cannibalism .... either in the Old Testament, OR the New Testament ... NONE WHATSOEVER ... that particular aversion is something they picked up from PAGAN cultures of that locality, or any natural aversion on an individual basis. If they had been in the Congo area of Africa, about the same time, where cannibalism was from place to place, and from time to time, perfectly acceptable (presumably war dead who had bled out ....) any CULTURAL MORAYS might have been reflected in the Early Christian Congregation. And most of the arguments that we of the White, Anglo-Saxon Protestant community consider as normal for consideration of pedophilia, modesty, and decorum ( including tight pants for men) would be completely lost in the Inuit Indians of Northern Canada ( you know.. the ones who live in igloos, and hunt on frozen ice for seals, and bears ...) where the entire family sleeps in a one room house made of blocks of ice, under one pile of bear and seal skins .... stark naked ! Ane remember, under your street clothes, YOU TOO, are stark naked!
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