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  2. It must be that WTJWorg leaders are in great pain for some time. This and some statements before which calls members to full trust in GB is desperate act. Manifestly, members leave "The Club".
  3. “ When the people saw that Moses was so long in coming down from the mountain, they gathered around Aaron and said, “Come, make us gods **WHO WILL GO BEFORE US.**” Exod 32:1a “So Moses went back to the Lord and said, “Oh, what a great sin these people have committed! They have made themselves gods of gold.” Exod 32:31 Just recently on a jw video, Gajus Glockentin, a GB helper, said: “LIES CREATES DOUBTS AND UNDERMINES OUR COMPLETE TRUST IN THE GOVERNING BODY. THIS MAKES US VULNERABLE” Vulnerable to what? To learning the truth about the idol JWs follow? That trusting the GB is following blind men into a pit? Matt 15:14 Obviously, this is damage control resulting from the release of Furuli's book. He continues: “Jehovah will use his **organization** to **LEAD US** through the great tribulation. THERE IS JUST NO OTHER WAY TO SUCCEED” This is a lie, and it definitely should create doubts in the JW mind. It is no different than the rebels under Moses creating a golden calf to LEAD them, "GO BEFORE" them, through the wilderness. “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” Matt 11:28-30 “Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” Matt 17:20
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  5. "Fleeing to God’s organization and its exalted pure worship also means fleeing from the false religious systems of this world, severing all connections with them." w82 11/15 pp. 5-7 A religion can be considered “false” when it teaches lies. Check “Beliefs Clarified”. Still, as a people, “the chosen ones” and their loyal companions will physically survive the end of apostate Christendom by taking refuge in Jehovah and his mountainlike (rocklike) organization. w11 1/15 pp. 3-7 "Do not fear, nor be afraid; Have I not told you from that time, and declared it? You are My witnesses. Is there a God besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock; I know not one.’ ” Isa 44:8 “For who is God, besides the Lord? And who is a rock, besides our God? 2 Sam 22:32 "The second angel sounded, and something like a great burning mountain was thrown into the sea. One third of the sea became blood" Rev 8:8 (Matt 21:21) "Go into the rocks, hide in the ground from the fearful presence of the Lord and the splendor of his majesty! 11 The eyes of the arrogant will be humbled and human pride brought low; (1 Cor 10:12; 3:18) the Lord alone will be exalted in that day. 9 So people will be brought low and everyone humbled— do not forgive them." (Luke 14:11) 17 The arrogance of man will be brought low and human pride humbled; the Lord alone will be exalted in that day, 18 and the idols will totally disappear. (Rev 13:8) 19 People will flee to caves in the rocks and to holes in the ground (Rev 13:4,3) from the fearful presence of the Lord and the splendor of his majesty, when he rises to shake the earth. “For I will give the command, and I will shake the people of Israel among all the nations as grain is shaken in a sieve, and not a pebble will reach the ground.” Amos 9:9 Haggai 2:6,7; Ps 18:7; Isa 13:13; Heb 12:26; Ezek 38:19; Rev 11:13; 16:18; Joel 3:16 Stop trusting in mere humans, who have but a breath in their nostrils. Why hold them in esteem?" Isa 2:10,11,9,17-19,22 Revelation and Daniel’s depiction of the fourth Beast (Rev 13:1) and the harlot/false prophet who “rides”/directs it (Rev 13:11) come against God’s “Israel”, and those with them, through deceitful tactics. (Rev 16:13,14) JWs have full faith that a "rock" other than only God, will lead them into the Kingdom. The establishment of the WT organization is in complete rebellion against God. And it will come down with the completion of the authentic Holy Zion - the Temple of "living stones". So he said to me, “This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: ‘Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,’ says the Lord Almighty. 7 “What are you, mighty mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become level ground. Then he will bring out the capstone to shouts of ‘God bless it! God bless it!’” 8 Then the word of the Lord came to me: 9 “The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this temple; his hands will also complete it. Then you will know that the Lord Almighty has sent me to you." Zech 4:6-9
  6. "Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings." I am convinced this is what you suffer from. Your continual targeted references toward me of my supposed hate, my theorized OCD, as well as the apparent regret of not being recognized as a teacher while in the organization, of not achieving the label as a “leader”, all stem from your own negative feelings, unfulfilled desires, and emotions. These are what you deal with, not me.
  7. Actually not. The Watchtower is run under that mandates and obedience to scripture under the purview of organized JWs. Your focus is on, how to "hate" an organization that has no more control of its members than governments do. Therefore, the hypocrisy lies with you, no one else. That makes you the one mixing between church and state. At your age, you would think, knowledge would work by now. Keep in mind, you have given a secondhand experience that in a court of law it would be considered hearsay. You expect people to believe you are a credible person, when you have no credibility. You continue to harp on an issue that is constant throughout the world by "all" governments and institutions and it has been for centuries. Then, you conflate the issue as though it occurs every day and over 8 million members are guilty. When did God give that authority of judgement over his domestics? Your absolute statements mean, God speaks to only you and directly in order to receive such Christy commission and honor. Share the poof of the mighty hand of God. With Moses, it was a burning bush.
  8. Oh dear, then we must have this unending circle of followers following followers, based on upvotes and likes.
  9. you made that connection. Judas killed someone that was close to him - Jesus- and then committed suicide.
  10. Judas killed his wife....? There are mentally unstable religious fanatics in all religions, jw's aren't immune to that.
  11. @Arauna I've heard "your OCD" about this same thing (followers) a few times already. :)) Please, let me ask you, does giving a like and an up-vote to someone’s comment turn that someone into a follower?
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    Theresa Ortiz, a grandmother, is active in her faith as a Jehovah’s Witness. She has been missing for 6 days. Carlos Ortiz waited for news about his missing wife Monday — five days after she disappeared and her car was found in the parking lot of Burke’s Beach. Theresa Ortiz, 67, a North Carolina native who moved to Hilton Head Island in 2002, took a walk on the beach a few times a week.
  12. @Arauna So Witness has disciples on here does she ?. Um, is that New Light ! @Anna The only thing that can be done is revoke membership. Which is what is being done. What's your argument with that? My disagreement with it is that IT ISN'T BEING DONE. Elders especially get away with many things, especially CSA. I would have thought you would have seen enough proof through court cases and reports to KNOW how Elders have hidden information, Destroyed information, committed sex abuse on young children, hidden paedophiles in the congregations, not informed the congregation when a paedophile is in their midst, not cooperated with the police or authorities by refusing to hand over documents. Misusing the two witness rule. Misusing the Clergy privilege. Actually telling lies in courtrooms. Having lawyers that deliberately tell lies in court rooms. Having a GB that refuses to apologise to CSA victims on behalf of the ORG. The list is endless. But if you can live with the GB and the ORG being like that then your Christian conscience has long since disappeared. You are just having your ears tickled and that seems to be enough for you.
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    Thank you brother for your posts....and I hope you are coping okay in your old age home and they are treating you well. wow to think you are on line and speaking here and still encouraging others is so very much appreciated...I wish I could sit and have coffee with you...I deeply appreciate ones like you..so very very encouraging...keep well brother...and may we meet one day in that New World ....
  14. If you and your followers on here think the beast in Revelation is the 'JW elders' or the GB...… there is nothing I have to say.... I just shrug my shoulders at the sheer dissonance of it. I think you have exposed yourself …….!! seriously! And if your disciples are too silly to see it and still agree with all your "prophetic comments", and take your prophetic comments against the "elders" and GB as fulfillment of scriptures in Revelation .... I suggest they look at their themselves. All your contributions indicate to me that you wanted more power because you see yourself as a privileged anointed that needed a position to teach. You are bitter because you were denied this and accuse others of usurping what you feel belongs to you and was taken away. Look at your Revelation explanations? I just shake my head in disbelief...….. maybe you will come up with something more bizarre.... I don't know..... but at this point I think I will not answer you again... so go ahead with your silly accusations.
  15. I will tell you why: because if I go out and commit immorality and I am found out, and I am not repentant I will be disfellowshipped. Thousands are disfelowshipped every year for unrepentant immorality. If you think you can stop people from being immoral then you are being very unrealistic. The only thing that can be done is revoke membership. Which is what is being done. What's your argument with that?
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  17. Perhaps the joke is on you. Where and what is God's Temple of 2 Thess 2:3,4? The Beast of Rev 13:1 (the same "man of lawlessness" as 2 Thess 2:3. See Rev. 13:18) cannot be the United Nations that "makes war with the saints". Rev 13:7. It cannot "sit" in the Temple of God, ruling over the holy priesthood. That is being accomplished already, in the organization.
  18. I still got to get something resembling that on here...… lol
  19. Ludicrous - I will not answer that. You seriously believe that or you are surely making a joke? Witness and her disciples can now echo each other and pat each other on the shoulders. Goodbye.
  20. “Now then, listen, you lover of pleasure, lounging in your security and saying to yourself, ‘I am, and there is none besides me. I will never be a widow or suffer the loss of children.’ 9 Both of these will overtake you in a moment, on a single day: loss of children and widowhood. They will come upon you in full measure, in spite of your many sorceries and all your potent spells. 10 You have trusted in your wickedness and have said, ‘No one sees me.’ Your wisdom and knowledge mislead you when you say to yourself, ‘I am, and there is none besides me.’ 11 Disaster will come upon you, and you will not know how to conjure it away. A calamity will fall upon you that you cannot ward off with a ransom; a catastrophe you cannot foresee will suddenly come upon you. Isa 47:8-11 "16 The beast (organization/elder body) and the ten horns ( "kings"/anointed) you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled. 18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.” Rev 17:16-18 The "kings of the earth" that this spiritual prostitute/harlot rules over ,are specified as Christ's kings. Rev 1:5; 5:10
  21. The GB has lost any Holy Spirit they may have been given. I do believe that there are men on the GB that were genuinely anointed, but I have my personal doubts about all of them receiving an anointing. Who would know, since their “anointing” is kept a secret? What are the signs of one losing Holy Spirit? The pursuit of power, dominance, and material riches. Do they not have access to all of that? Power, to decided what their brothers in Christ are to do and preach? What to build, where the money goes, etc? They assumed the position of a "faithful slave" over the house of God. Isn't that to be Christ's choice and revealed when he returns? It's pretty bold of them to assume they are the faithful steward when what they offer as "food", rots while it sits on the table. (John 15:16; Isa 28:7-10) And shouldn't that be up to the individual who is admonished by Christ, to test the fruits /teachings each slave offers? (Matt 7:15-20) Since they walked into that role, with "new light" up their sleeve, they are indeed, "wicked". “The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6 And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. 7 If you worship me, it will all be yours.” Luke 4:5-7 Compare that scripture with Jesus’ words in Matt 6:19-21 - "where your treasure is, there your heart will be also”. The GB treasure their organization of material riches. They “treasure” their assumed responsibility over God’s household. (Luke 12:42) Jesus would not have warned of a wicked slave/steward rising over God’s anointed house, if it were not a possibility. After all, it was he, a perfect being, who was initially offered those “gifts” by Satan. How much harder would it be for a human to resist Satan’s temptation? (Matt 24:45-51) “I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to be first, will not welcome us. 10 So when I come, I will call attention to what he is doing, spreading malicious nonsense about us. Not satisfied with that, he even refuses to welcome other believers. He also stops those who want to do so and puts them out of the church.” 3 John 1:9,10 The GB has no desire to “welcome” the anointed in Christ. They fully reject their opinion, turning to a “Gentile” elder body for assistance, to produce spiritual food. Are their actions of disfellowshipping any different than what Diotrephes did? They preach a “different Jesus”. (2 Cor 11:4) HE should be the focus; instead, THEY are the focus. All obedience is given to them, over Jesus Christ. They have replaced the “Head” of the Body, thus severing themselves from Jesus. “ They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.” Col 2:19 “You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.” 2 Pet 3:17,18 Just because an individual is anointed, it doesn’t mean they are all found to be “faithful” slaves when Jesus returns. (Matt 25:26-30) If they had remained part of the Body, the vine of Christ, the spirit would have led them to seek out all anointed in the organization. As humans, we would dread losing one of our physical bodily appendages. Spiritually, all anointed should desire to seek out the “members” of Christ’s body. (1 Cor 12) And yet, the "rule" is that they should not "BOND". Surely, you should ask, why. Their bonding together would threaten the GB's headship over them. I speak here, knowing there are anointed listening in. It is my prayer that they wake up and get away from the wicked rule of the organization. This includes everyone. Rev 18:4-8
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  22. You jogged my memory about that. It is a thought we on the outside recognize, since we're not loaded down with all the "do's and dont's". (Col 2:20-21; Gal 1:10) We can cut to the chase. I could say that more bluntly.
  23. I know of 2 JW suicides, one was an elders son of my former Cong was found OD in his room and the other one was at my best friends congregation he killed his wife then himself afterwords dont know the reason of any of the 2 as we are not meant to be talking or ask anything about it.
  24. Self-sacrifice by starvation for religious reasons..... Does that sound like JWs? It sounds like the stories of Jews drinking blood of babies. Maybe witnesses visited them and they listened..... and that gave neighbors the idea they were Jws. People make up their own narrative about things especially in backwaters.
  25. Good try CC. But you still get the CCJW / Watchtower mixed up with God. And God will not love you for it. By there works you will know them. And we do. We know the CCJW / Watchtower hide paedophiles in their organisations. We know that they misuse scripture which is an insult to God and Christ. We know that the GB are not the F&DS because they do not speak or write truth. So, we have got out of this immoral organisation. Hence we can pray to God with a clean conscience. How could a JW in the Org, that knows all the immorality within the CCJW, pray to God with a clean conscience ?
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