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    • Your wrong, you are doing the same thing. Therefore, don't lie to yourself, no one else is listening.
    • Are you suggesting, Jesus didn’t alter the Jewish teaching? At what point does denigrating the GB by you and Butler amount to ethical thinking. A person that opposes God’s coordinated earthly rule and one that renounces their own faith have zero credibility to any conversation. So far, I see conflict as Raymond Franz had about CHANGE. Although the change he had in mind was becoming the next President of the Watchtower, and when that didn’t happen, apostasy grew within. As a living sacrifice, shouldn’t we make a change? Romans 12:1-2 Shouldn’t we be renewed day by day? 2 Corinthians 4:16-18 Whereas those that oppose authority defy God. Romans 13:2 2Consequently, the one who resists authority is opposing what God has set in place, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. There seems to be some confusion about the great commission. Matthew 28:19-20 and the rule we each have with our personal abilities. Mark 16:15 what it means to preach thought-out the world. Acts 1:8 and who has what capabilities and responsibilities.    Ephesians 4:11-16 King James Version (KJV) 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.   Those that refuse to obey the instructions left by Christ cannot be called a Christian. Jesus appointed the apostles but God gave them the Holy Spirit just as it was given to Christ. Jesus appointed the laborers for the harvest Luke 10, but God gave them the Holy Spirit. Did Jesus defy the prevailing authority? Matthew 23:2-4 Therefore, let’s put that authority nonsense to rest once and for all. What is a flock without a shepherd? Acts 20:28 who are the overseers, the sheep? I can think of several things not to listen to such lofty arguments. 2 Corinthians 10:5
    • What did John the Baptist wear when telling folks to repent while he was in the desert?  Oh, so lemming mentality is just fine with you? The Hare Krishna shave their heads like monks do, is that the same then? Should you be shaving your head because these guys do?    Are you equating clothing and money extortion in God's house? I'm pretty sure I didn't read that part about Jesus making a whip to whip those in tight pants or who wore a beard......err wait, didn't Jesus wear a beard?    Tell that to the beggars Jesus visited and ate with and healed. 
    • Then why is it asked in a judicial committee for apostasy if you believe that the gb is the faithful and discrete slave? 
    • Are you foreign that you do not understand English properly ? No disrespect if you are, but it would give me reason to know why you misinterpret  everything i  write. It was / is the wicked angels, that is the devil and his demons,  that challenge God's sovereignty not me. I just stated the case....   Hitler could not have done any of the wicked deeds without the majority of Germany backing him.  The  Germans may not have backed him because they wanted to, but maybe out of fear. Just as JW's serve the GB through the Elders, out of fear.  Just as people come on here , this forum, but use pseudonyms, out of fear of being found out by the Elders. Felix i see you are using the GB's idea of suggesting people are mentally unstable. Typical Watchtower doctrine.  Sorry Admin but I'm just answering Felix. Perhaps Felix should start another topic of should i just ignore him ?   But let's get back on topic. A question  Is it a disfellowshipping offence to read Raymond Franz books, or to own them ? 
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