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    • Good point. And to Arauna's point, most "Westerners" view the world only through "Western" eyes. The news about various countries in the world sounds almost the same in France, UK, Australia, Canada, Japan, US, Germany, etc. And probably get taken in much less than the overall world due to neutrality, disinterest in low priority secular things, general avoidance of non-JW Internet sites. We've got our own priorities to be concerned about. (Although I'm sure this forum would make many wonder about myself and others.) Important point about Russia not being as belligerent as America. This has been true for decades. While America hyped Russia's conflicts in Afghanistan and Georgia and now Ukraine, America would never hype the fact that America has been caught fomenting trouble in Ukraine, Iraq, Iran, even Hong Kong with CIA operatives, while amassing bases and missiles and ships all along the borders in Eastern Europe, the Mideast, the southern border of North Korea, creating coups and wars in Africa, Central and South America, etc. Another irony is that while deploring Russia's involvement in Syria, America doesn't report (except once accidentally and then quickly walked back) the number of US troops that had already invaded and who have been sitting inside Syria's borders all along, uninvited, based in the oil-rich areas of Syria, where America has been (and still is) controlling the flow of a majority of Syria's oil. America constantly discusses the threats of various other countries, while America is already overrunning and bombing countries to create death, chaos, and instability. Now, one of the problems is that it turns out that military lobbyists have been pushing various planes, radar systems, and defensive weapons that don't work very well. And while this was always a way to keep countries buying upgrades, now some of those buyers are looking to buy from Russia and China for various defensive weapons, because they don't trust the American weapons as they once did. You must be like a "Beroean" on Twitter. Too bad there is no perfect method. And then there are the bots which flood one end or the other of your polar opposites and try to create trends and skews. There is another method of ruining any method of gathering accurate news sources, which many hope to get through Twitter/FB, and that's the inclusion of purposeful creation of "chaos" disguised as plain and simple truth in mainstream media. (Trump tweets, NYTimes, Vox, Vice, CNN, Fox, MSNBC)  Much more to be said on this. Might come back to it later. I'm sure I sounded a bit harsher than I meant to. If I made it sound like a big problem, I didn't mean to. For me this is not a controversy. Rutherford was just plainly wrong on this. Doesn't change the fact that he was right on so many other things. But I have to ask. Do you really think any of this information is applicable to paragraphs 8 and 11 of yesterday's Watchtower? Those WT paragraphs were about "lies" and "apostate lies." This is just information, hopefully honest and unvarnished. Also, one of the scriptures in the Study was Isaiah 54:17: 17  No weapon formed against you will have any success, . . . A shield of knowledge will help us blunt the effect from anyone who tries to weaponize this information. But sometimes the actual shield for our faith will merely take the form of honesty and humility, and accepting the humanity of those taking the lead among us. If something turns out to be true, we don't want to be too quick to just reject is as false because we don't like the sound of it.  I was only referring to the principle of not accepting something as true without multiple "witnesses" of evidence, documentation, speeches, etc. For me it meant that I wouldn't want to put something out here as fact unless I had personally done a good amount of due-diligence. It wasn't about whether anyone else should read and accept what someone puts on this forum and accepts it just because it includes multiple instances of evidence. Until someone already "knows" or looks up evidence for themselves, all they have looked at here is just someone's opinion about the evidence. 
    • I just draw the conclusion that it must be a litteral great city, because that is the explanation Revelation itself gives. The prostitute and the beast are the symbols, but the great city is the litteral thing.  Just look once more, please, at the wording in the scripture that gives the definition in Revelation 17:18: "And the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.” That is the clue to understand what the woman, the prostitute Babylon the Great means. But back to your question, how can it be said that one city is guilty to all the blood that has been shed on earth? That is sort of hyperbole, similar to the statment Jesus said in Luke 11:49 "That is why the wisdom of God also said: ‘I will send prophets and apostles to them, and they will kill and persecute some of them, 50  so that the blood of all the prophets spilled from the founding of the world may be charged against this generation, 51  from the blood of Abel+ down to the blood of Zech·a·riʹah, who was killed between the altar and the house.’ Yes, I tell you, it will be charged against this generation. But the problem with that great city is not the location itself of course. But it is the ruling class of that city. Because Revelation 18:23 says "and by your spiritistic practices all the nations were misled." That indicates that the ruling class of that city are involved in spiritism. What do we know about spiritistic practices of the ruling class? It is well known that in USA and other places the influencial people have usually joined masonic secret societies. And there they practice spiritism. Through masonic societies the ruling class in USA have a strong grip over the kings of the earth.  And the masonic cult is ancient according to their own words, and they have through thousands of years spured kings of empires to war.  Revelation 17: 9-11 explains this feature, that the depraved spiritistic woman, Babylon the Great has been present at the emperors of the great empires of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rom. Looks like USA is regarded as a modern extension of the Roman empire, the sixth "king". And then after that the seventh empire will rule for a short time, 42 months as it is revealed in Revelation 13:1,2,5: "And it [the dragon] stood still on the sand of the sea. And I saw a wild beast ascending out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, and on its horns ten diadems, but on its heads blasphemous names. 2  Now the wild beast that I saw was like a leopard, but its feet were like those of a bear, and its mouth was like a lion’s mouth. And the dragon gave to the beast its power and its throne and great authority. ......5 It was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and it was given authority to act for 42 months. Revelation 17:9-11: "This calls for a mind that has wisdom: The seven heads mean seven mountains, where the woman sits on top.  And there are seven kings: Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet arrived; but when he does arrive, he must remain a short while. And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also an eighth king, but it springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction." So as a conclusion to the question how Babylon the Great is guilty to all those who have been slaughtered on earth? That is because the ruling class of Babylon the Great are part of ancient spiritistic masonry and they have spured kings to bloody wars though out history.  For example in Egypt in Moses' time the Pharaoh had magicians who influenced him. In Babylon when Daniel was there, there were also all kinds of magicians counceling Nebucadnessar. 
    • Yes China has become or will soon be the number one economy in the world. Communism can uplift more people because it has centralized decision- making and can get rid of all opposition. There is no freedom of expression, religion etc. The state decides what you should know and do.  In the last 3 years China is tightening the screws. Foreigners are leaving in droves. It does not like foreign teachers of English because ideas of freedom could be exchanged. China's 20 year stint in capitalism enriched it.  I call it communism with a face-lift (a slight deviation). Unfortunately many of its poor were working like slaves- 18 hours a day and living in cluttered hostel rooms- terrible conditions.. These people were like expendable fodder to the regime - like the 1million Muslims now in camps with their children separated from them in re-education schools.  Many die.   US companies relocated to china for cheap labour and helped to rebuild China while US factories were closing in USA. China stole the intellectual property and is now improving on it.  They do not need anyone any longer. They are building their own supersonic  weapons, rockets, aircraft carriers, new islands in the south China sea and taken over fishing rights etc. They use body parts of religious and Falun gong citizens for transplants - 10 thousand per year. Yes, I can talk about the rapid "upliftment" but this is not what communism is known for. It is known for its totalitarian control and a disrespect for life. Play or pay. The CCP is returning China back to the fundamental communist ideas.  There is not free will or choice.  Education for all - that is good - but it is an indoctrination vehicle from young age. They now have the social credit system with surveillance everywhere In Russia,  Perestroika/glasnost brought forth a new brand of communism. It allowed the orthodox church so it can help build nationalism.  The centralized government has oligarchs who play ball.  If not- they land up in prison and their assets taken.  In the  last 20 years human rights lawyers and investigative journalists were just shot on the street or found dead.  Russia is not poor - its industry is larger than I at first anticipated.  It builds washing machines, all kinds of equipment. Global companies have factories in Russia for shampoo, soaps, hair colorants etc. I see the well known western brands in our shops but they are made in Russia.   Industry is flourishing. I think they even make Heinz tomato sauce. Russia and China are now a formidable block to be reckoned with. They are like a wild card in the mix...... making unthinkable alliances with Muslim countries etc. They have agreements for oil, gas, satellite cooperation etc USA has been outplayed..... the trump card is not Trump's to hold.
    • North Korea is a totalitarian dictatorship with its citizens starving most of the time. A shocker for me two years ago was the soldier which defected. He would not have survived longer if he did not defect..... he had so many different kinds of  parasites in his body. This tells you the condition of their soldiers..... and how they care for the soldiers they put on TV parades with the face of the dictator everywhere.  Venezuela has oil. It should be a rich country.... but a benevolent socialist  dictator brought the poor out if poverty....(he did well on that ) . but then he went further and nationalized all assets and became communist.  He died - The next dictator put the nail in the coffin of the system... Communism killed Venezuela- not America.  It is a bad system of governance. I equate it with feudalism. This is the system the UN is proposing.... a kind of feudalism to get control of the environment.. While I do not support any form of human government - I do evaluate what they do.... and I do not think it is conspiracy when I say I foresee a terrible future for the world if these plans comes to fruition.   That is all. Hopefully jehovah steps in before it goes too far.  I do believe that some scientists are lying about the environment in their so-called studies.  I believe the biosphere has tremendous problems and geo-engineering is definitely going on to cover up the problems. The forests are being dessimated by China and those still in existence are drying out.  The roots are so dry that new saplings are not sprouting up. Leaves are dry. There are fires in Siberia and Sweden. The Himalaya' s glaciers (Bhuthan is facing severe threats) are melting and forming lakes. When these start to burst and brim over thousands of lives and farming land will be lost. There are islands going under in Maldives.... Too much to mention. 
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