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Special convention 2016- Netherlands

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      Thank you ???????
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      Posted so as to avoid confusion. ;-)
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    • By ARchiv@L
      Video files containing the music and lyrics for all 151 songs from the new songbook “Sing Out Joyfully” to Jehovah are now available. 
      These files allow the lyrics to be shown on-screen during congregation meetings of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

      1. Jehovah's Attributes

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      2. Jehovah Is Your Name
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      3. Our Strength, Our Hope, Our Confidence
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      4. "Jehovah Is My Shepherd"
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      5. God's Wondrous Works
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      6. The Heavens Declare God's Glory
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      7. Jehovah, Our Strength
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      8. Jehovah Is Our Refuge
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      9. Jehovah Is Our King!
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      10. Praise Jehovah Our God!
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      11. Creation Praises God
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      12. Great God, Jehovah
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      13. Christ, Our Model
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      14. Praising Earth's New King
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      15. Praise Jehovah's Firstborn!
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      16. Praise Jah for His Son, the Anointed
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      17. "I Want To"
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      18. Grateful for the Ransom
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      19. The Lord's Evening Meal
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      20. You Gave Your Precious Son
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      21. Keep On Seeking First the Kingdom
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      22. The Kingdom Is in Place—Let It Come!
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      23. Jehovah Begins His Rule
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      24. Come to Jehovah's Mountain
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      25. A Special Possession
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      26. You Did It for Me
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      27. The Revealing of God's Sons
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      28. Gaining Jehovah's Friendship
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      29. Living Up to Our Name
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      30. My Father, My God and Friend
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      31. Oh, Walk With God!
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      32. Take Sides With Jehovah!
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      33. Throw Your Burden on Jehovah
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      34. Walking in Integrity
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      35. "Make Sure of the More Important Things"
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      36. We Guard Our Hearts
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      37. Serving Jehovah Whole-Souled
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      38. He Will Make You Strong
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      39. Make a Good Name With God
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      40. To Whom Do We Belong?
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      41. Please Hear My Prayer
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      42. The Prayer of God's Servant
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      43. A Prayer of Thanks
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      44. A Prayer of the Lowly One
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      45. The Meditation of My Heart
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      46. We Thank You, Jehovah
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      47. Pray to Jehovah Each Day
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      48. Daily Walking With Jehovah
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      49. Making Jehovah's Heart Glad
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      50. My Prayer of Dedication
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      51. To God We Are Dedicated!
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      52. Christian Dedication
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      53. Preparing to Preach
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      54. "This Is the Way"
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      55. Fear Them Not!
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      56. Make the Truth Your Own
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      57. Preaching to All Sorts of People
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      58. Searching for Friends of Peace
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      59. Praise Jah With Me
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      60. It Means Their Life
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      61. Forward, You Witnesses!
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      62. The New Song
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      63. We're Jehovah's Witnesses!
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      64. Sharing Joyfully in the Harvest
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      65. Move Ahead!
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      66. Declare the Good News
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      67. "Preach the Word"
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      68. Sowing Kingdom Seed
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      69. Go Forward in Preaching the Kingdom!
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      70. Search Out Deserving Ones
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      71. We Are Jehovah's Army!
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      72. Making Known the Kingdom Truth
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      73. Grant Us Boldness
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      74. Join in the Kingdom Song!
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      75. "Here I Am! Send Me!"
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      76. How Does It Make You Feel?
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      77. Light in a Darkened World
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      78. "Teaching the Word of God"
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      79. Teach Them to Stand Firm
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      80. "Taste and See That Jehovah Is Good"
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      81. The Life of a Pioneer
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      82. "Let Your Light Shine"
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      83. "From House to House"
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      84. Reaching Out
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      85. Welcome One Another
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      86. We Must Be Taught
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      87. Come! Be Refreshed
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      88. Make Me Know Your Ways
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      89. Listen, Obey, and Be Blessed
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      90. Encourage One Another
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      91. Our Labor of Love
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      92. A Place Bearing Your Name
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      93. Bless Our Meeting Together
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      94. Grateful for God's Word
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      95. The Light Gets Brighter
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      96. God's Own Book—A Treasure
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      97. Life Depends on God's Word
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      98. The Scriptures—Inspired of God
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      99. Myriads of Brothers
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      100. Receive Them With Hospitality
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      101. Working Together in Unity
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      102. "Assist Those Who Are Weak"
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      103. Shepherds—Gifts in Men
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      104. God's Gift of Holy Spirit
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      105. "God Is Love"
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      106. Cultivating the Quality of Love
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      107. The Divine Pattern of Love
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      108. God's Loyal Love
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      109. Love Intensely From the Heart
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      110. "The Joy of Jehovah"
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      111. Our Reasons for Joy
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      112. Jehovah, God of Peace
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      113. Our Possession of Peace
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      114. "Exercise Patience"
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      115. Gratitude for Divine Patience
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      116. The Power of Kindness
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      117. The Quality of Goodness
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      118. "Give Us More Faith"
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      119. We Must Have Faith
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      120. Imitate Christ's Mildness
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      121. We Need Self-Control
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      122. Be Steadfast, Immovable!
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      123. Loyally Submitting to Theocratic Order
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      124. Ever Loyal
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      125. "Happy Are the Merciful"
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      126. Stay Awake, Stand Firm, Grow Mighty
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      127. The Sort of Person I Should Be
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      128. Enduring to the End
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      129. We Will Keep Enduring
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      130. Be Forgiving
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      131. "What God Has Yoked Together"
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      132. Now We Are One
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      133. Worship Jehovah During Youth
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      134. Children Are a Trust From God
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      135. Jehovah's Warm Appeal: "Be Wise, My Son"
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      136. "A Perfect Wage" From Jehovah
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      137. Faithful Women, Christian Sisters
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      138. Beauty in Gray-Headedness
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      139. See Yourself When All Is New
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      140. Life Without End—At Last!
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      141. The Miracle of Life
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      142. Holding Fast to Our Hope
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      143. Keep Working, Watching, and Waiting
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      144. Keep Your Eyes on the Prize!
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      145. God's Promise of Paradise
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      146. "Making All Things New"
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      147. Life Everlasting Is Promised
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      148. Jehovah Provides Escape
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      149. A Victory Song
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      150. Seek God for Your Deliverance
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      151. He Will Call
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    • Guest Nicole
      By Guest Nicole
      Meet Puerto Rico, the Destination Marketing Organization (DMO) responsible for attracting meetings, conventions, trade shows, sporting events, and incentive groups to Puerto Rico, recently hosted the Jehovah’s Witnesses Special Convention, the largest city-wide convention of the year, bringing an estimated $5 million economic impact to Puerto Rico. From August 22-31, more than 34,500 attendees from the United States, Puerto Rico, Brazil, Colombia, and Cuba experienced the culture of Puerto Rico and stayed throughout the island, from San Juan to Ponce for a total of 7,500 room nights.
      “We are honored that that the Jehovah’s Witnesses chose Puerto Rico to host their Jehovah’s Witnesses Special Convention,” said Milton Segarra, President & CEO, Meet Puerto Rico (MPR-Puerto Rico Convention Bureau). “Puerto Rico has everything it takes to host a large scale, city-wide convention - including a state-of-the-art convention center, a wide variety of accommodations including major hotel brands, and a strong infrastructure. And we offer “only-in- Puerto Rico” experiences, for planners seeking locations that provide experiences to make their events memorable while maintaining an authentic experience. We are fortunate that Puerto Rico delivers that charge.”
      Delegates and exhibitors were linked to virtual attendees as well in the United States via live stream set up at the Puerto Rico Convention Center, the Puerto Rico Coliseum, Ponce Trade Fair Central as well as Arecibo and Humacao. Itinerary highlights included day trips, and pre-and post-tours. The delegates stayed in San Juan, Manati, Bayamon and Ponce.
      The Jehovah’s Witnesses organizational committee said they were pleased with the way the conference was handled and will bring meetings to Puerto Rico over the next five years, including the potential to hold the 2021 Annual Convention in Puerto Rico again. A number of reasons have played into their decision to return to Puerto Rico.
      “Puerto Rico had the flavor of what we wanted to share with our delegates. It is easy to reach, has a wide variety of accommodations, wonderful restaurants, hospitals and scores top marks in their venues and customer service,” said Jorge Alanis, Special Assembly Committee Coordinator. “But what really sets them apart is the combination of the authentic experiences our attendees bring back with them as well as the wonderful people we have worked with and met. We understand that 5,000 local volunteers contributed to our conference and that says a lot about the care taken to ensure all conference attendees feel taken care of,” he said.
      Puerto Rico continues to position itself as an ideal destination for meetings and conventions, offering a state-of-the-art convention center, a wide variety of hotels, strong infrastructure and unique attractions with the added advantage of being on a tropical island in the Caribbean. One in four rooms occupied in hotels that can accommodate large-scale meetings belongs to the groups and conventions segment.
      http://www.eturbonews.com/74803/puerto-rico-loves-jehovah-s-witnesses
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    • By The Librarian
      In the Netherlands, a TV crew for PowNed (a website/TV station known for their non-conventional approach and love for controversy) visited a Circuit Assembly
      The video starts with them asking 'Is everyone welcome here, even criminals, bikers, gays?', and the answer is of course yes.
      Then the clip focuses on asking JW's questions about gays and the Caleb video.
      In the end the crew is asked to stop filming and leave. Their 'implied invitation' has been withdrawn as they were 'creating unrest'.
      Possibly they actually were stirring things up a bit and left that out in editing; I wouldn't put that past them.
      Video in Dutch here 
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    • Wouldn't a core doctrine be one in which we put "unwavering" faith. This is the whole reason I mention "core" or "key" doctrines. If we were to be killed unless we publicly renounced our faith in Jehovah God as the Creator, and Jesus Christ as the one through whom the Ransom comes, we should be willing to die for that doctrine. I would not be willing to die over my certainty that Jesus was only using hyperbole when he said that the men of Sodom would do better in a resurrection of the unrighteous on Judgment Day, than persons in towns that rejected Jesus during his earthly ministry. (Only the most diabolical of inquisitors would ask such a question anyway. I think I would go for "theocratic war strategy. 😉 )
    • I like that. It's an excellent explanation of one of the points made in the day's text and commentary. Perhaps. And so were all the 1 year old babies destroyed in the Flood. And so were the 185,000 of Senacherib's troops. I used that one because it's one for which most of us would be the least surprised if we discovered that the WT changed the teaching again.  Not sure what you mean. I already believe that the primary core doctrine is God's value through his Son's ransom sacrifice. Other doctrines are also just as necessary, though.  There actually is a contradiction between the Bible and AD 1914. And we don't need any independent understanding not supported by Scripture, such as the independent understanding of John Aquila Brown, or more specifically, that of Nelson H Barbour, neither of which were supported by Scripture. It should ALWAYS be the exploit of any faithful Witness to uncover truth and try to resolve any contradictions that can be resolved by Scripture itself, not anything independent of Scriptural support.  On the matter of the 1914 doctrine, an easier explanation with human controversy --but no scriptural controversy-- has already been posted. Easier isn't proof that it's better, but it's definitely easier. Here it is: Jesus came to earth to preach about a God's Kingdom through Christ and give himself over to death as a perfect ransom for sin, to fulfill the Law, and SIT AT GOD'S RIGHT HAND and therefore RULES AS KING since the time of his resurrection in 33 CE. That's it. Simple. No contradictions with any Scripture. From that point on, in 33 CE he SITS AT GOD'S RIGHT HAND and therefore RULES AS KING ruling in the midst of enemies, including war, famine, sickness, and will continue ruling as king until God has put all enemies under his feet, including the last enemy: death.  The current belief in 1914 creates a contradiction with this very point, because we are currently forced to ignore 1 Cor 15:25, which indicates that "sitting at God's right hand" is the same as "ruling as King." Right now, our current teaching is that Jesus sat at God's right hand in 33, and THEN LATER began ruling as king in 1914. Paul says that Jesus began ruling as king WHEN he sat at God's right hand. I'm swapping them because they mean exactly the same thing to me. No difference. Doctrine means teaching. True but notice the words that Paul used instead of "sit at my right hand" here: (1 Corinthians 15:25) 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. Turns out that when a king sits on a throne, this is actually an expression meaning rule as king. Just like when we say that a man "sat on the throne" starting in AD 1066, for example. Turns out that a king does not have to stand up from a throne to begin ruling as king. Turns out that sitting on a throne is not a synonym for just waiting around. By that logic, Jesus is not even NOW ruling as king, because God has not yet put the last enemy Death beneath his feet. (1 Corinthians 15:25,26) 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing.
    • If only you would stop quoting outside sources, and just be more basic with your comments, then i may understand them . Yes I understand 'if your throw out all the good, only the bad is left.  But the reverse is, if you only see the good, you are not being honest with yourself or others.  @Arauna is a case in point.  
    • @JW Insider Quote " The day's text is about the resurrection, and the commentary speaks of the importance of including this among our key doctrines, as if it might not have been "up there" with the rest. " That seems rather strange to me. But then they are getting short of things to say.  However, i would have thought every Christian, no matter what ever 'sect' or  pigeon hole you put them in, would definitely believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ, and put it up near the top of important beliefs.  However making Bible Facts, doctrines, seems unfair to God and to the Bible itself.  doctrine a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a Church, political party, or other group.   It's as if the JW Org tries to 'own' such things. @TrueTomHarley quite often goes on about the things that the JW Org teaches. As if those things 'belonged to the JW Org'.  Whereas a lot of the same beliefs are held by thousands of people, and they not all being of the same organisation.     Quote " The Teaching about Christ's Kingdom -  Of course that final one might be a nod to "1914" as a key teaching, but it is worded here in such a way that no one could dismiss Christ's Kingdom as a key teaching. "   Now here we see a difference between Bible truth and JW doctrine.    Christ's Kingdom is Bible truth.   1914 is JW Org doctrine.   (This would bring us back to. Would a person be d/fed or 'watched' if they did not believe the 1914 doctrine?)    Matthew 22 v 44    ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies beneath your feet”’? So if Jesus was to sit at Gods right hand, until God had put Jesus' enemies beneath Jesus' feet.  Then Jesus could not have had the power to do it himself. Therefore surely Jesus was not ruling as King immediately ?    As for 1914, we know that no one of the Bible Students or JW leaders, were or are inspired of Holy Spirit. So maybe 1914 is just another guess or misuse of scriptures.    What is your view of the difference between 'Core doctrines' and Key teachings ?    And you seem to keep swapping expressions from Core doctrines, to Core teachings, to Key teachings.  Can you explain the difference please ?    
    • I confess that I am falling well short of the 100 times a day that I ought. I ask your forgiveness. Human limitations is the only excuse I have to offer. If you negate the upside, then all there is left to look at is the downside, and that is the case with many here.  I keep coming back to a line from The Scarlet Letter: “It is remarkable, that persons who speculate the most boldly often conform with the most perfect quietude to the external regulations of society.” Nobody speculates more boldly, departing from the herd-like thinking of this world, than Jehovah’s Witnesses. True to that Hawthorn line, they have no difficulty conforming to the “external regulations of their society.” Though Hawthorn does not say it, the reverse is also true. Those who cannot “conform to the external regulations of that society” and so leave it, perhaps guys like Shiwiiiii, are the most non-bold thinkers of all. They are individualistic in superfluous ways, but conformist in all the ways that matter.
    • Perhaps you are reading something into the book of Jude that I haven't been able to see. To me, the reason for the letter was this: Jude 4 I say this because some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches, saying that God’s marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives. This was similar to the problem in Corinth, where certain brothers were PROUD that they could put up with a notorious case of incest, due to a misunderstanding and misuse of "undeserved kindness." (1 Corinthians 5:1, 2) . . .Actually sexual immorality is reported among you, and such immorality as is not even found among the nations—of a man living with his father’s wife. 2 And are you proud of it? Should you not rather mourn, so that the man who committed this deed should be taken away from your midst? Such persons who used the idea of forgiveness, mercy, and undeserved kindness (grace), as an excuse for loose/brazen conduct were not blowing the whistle on wrongdoing, but were PROMOTING wrongdoing. It was the same as dismissing and speaking abusively against things that Jesus himself had said to "prove false to our only owner and Lord, Jesus Christ." Michael wouldn't even speak abusively of the Devil and yet these people are going to go further than that and think it's OK to speak abusively of Jesus and the angels? It's also possible that the leaders (elders) are considered the "glorious ones" but this makes less sense to me. Perhaps a topic for further discussion?
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