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On 10/3/2018 at 5:02 AM, JOHN BUTLER said:

Um not this comment but one of your previous comments you said " and the standard in which sin is judged is the LAW of Moses."

We no longer live under the Law of Moses, nor did we in fact, as it was only for the Nation of Israel, and it ended when Jesus Christ fulfilled it by his death and resurrection.

So we cannot be judged by the Mosaic Law.  There are things that Christians can do that the Israelites  / Jews could no do. 

We do not keep the Sabbath and we can eat all foods. We do not offer animal sacrifices, etc

To some extent what is of the Law is still in application in terms of principle, for instance, we are to serve and honor God, as it says in the Law in the Hebrew Old Testament, such is still in application in the Greek New Testament, to the churches to the people, to us even in the present day, for we do in fact do what is needed to adhere to the teachings and to serve God, for the Laws of of are of God’s thinking, something we should not be ignoring.

The Israelites were of Natural Israel and the mediator at the time was Moses, while Jesus mediated for the new one, of Spiritual Israel.

We no longer need to do animal sacrifices because Jesus’ death is what validates and or overwritten this, although Christians do not need to do such, some tend to accept Jesus’ sacrifice, but continue to do animal sacrifices, examples would be, Christians of Mount Gerizim, also known as, Modern Day Samaritans, this also goes for the Sabbath, although no longer required, some do it still.

The Old Law was written by stone, but the New Covenant itself was, in this sense, written in our hearts, to which like that of the old, for the new we follow.

For what has overwritten the old Sinaic Law took immediate affect when Jesus expired. Jesus spoke of this Covenant with his disciples, 11 of them and made promise to them, and extends such when such ones are begot by the spirit, furthermore the mass inauguration at Pentecost where the spirit, the promise from God, had been outpoured to the people.

Christians can and will still be judged, mainly for those who allow themselves to do what is bad, even when receiving guidance and or criticism from such ones like Paul and onward.

For when it comes to the Christian faith, you are to focus on and maintain on what is true, otherwise you will be caused to stumble, fall even and the next action will be on your part: whether to remain on the ground, or the other option, to stand back up, headstrong and continue to walk on the path that is correct.

The Law, the Commandments, as said before, is of God’s thinking, of which we can observe by means of study. The commandments themselves are of principles that are still in application and such is not irrelevant. Many of these principles are scattered throughout the Greek New Testament.

Granted the subject matter is of murder/suicide, what I have brought up in a response to Shiwiii was Exodus 20:13 regarding the thou shall not kill [murder] that stems from the Law, for when you seek the references, such as 1 John 3:15 among several (already mentioned), this is still in application despite Spiritual Israel’s Laws overwriting Natural Israel’s Laws.

Another example would be to not commit adultery Hebrews 13:4, as with several other verses, to which it stems from Exodus 20:14, with the one about murder/killing is right above this one in the previous verse in the Old Testament.

On 10/2/2018 at 5:09 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

Yes quite a lovely thought really. If suicide was painless and not frightening. Why wait for Armageddon if life is not good now ?

Just quietly go to sleep and then wake up in the 'New World'. The only downside is that it is a bit selfish if you have loved ones that would miss you and / or need you here.. 

Suicide to the majority is painful and it is frightening for some, granted such ones in a state of depression and fear and or other before taking his or her own life, I know the impact for the experience is still haunting to me, for the it not was not the suicide that hurts the person more, it is what led up to it, for some people, they tend to blame God for this, forgetting this verse: James 1:13.

For it breaks not just the person who is victim before ceasing to live, it breaks those of whom the person has relationships with and or interaction, examples like a friend, a brother/sister, uncle/aunt, etc, the same effect as to ones who are murdered or is the murderer, only this time a larger pool of people included from both sides. For if you actually dealt with people who are in a state, show signs of suicide it is there, at times, they’re subtle with it to the point such isn’t revealed to both family and friends before it is too late – for it is more than just to simply say life is not good, one cannot be simple minded when it comes to things such as these.

Unfortunately, Mr. Butler, death is a state of sleep(Luke 8:52 (Matthew 9:23-26, Mark 5:38-43, John 11:11, Acts 7:60, Acts 13:36)), yes, and such ones will be awaken, and for such ones there will be those who will receive God’s mercy and those who will be judged when everything comes to a conclusion. Suicide itself is a sin, however it is not an unforgivable sin as some make it out to be, mainly to those who hold to the doctrine of living after death or something in some shape and or form, knowing they themselves that humans are not spirits.

As for what you said regarding Baptism and Paul, The context regarding Baptism can be traced back to the origin of the Baptism, and or if you, using a literal map seeing Israel from a bird’s eye view, if you know the history, it would be very clear.

On 10/3/2018 at 12:58 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

Different translation.

As long as the Strong's and the manuscripts line up, what is spoken of is correct, it is only a problem and or a biblical violation if the Strong's/Manuscript do not line put, for the last time I've educated on you this simple fact, with context, you didn't like the truth.

That being said, as with what @Shiwiii have stated, such is going off topic, and yet a response has to be made.

AS for thinking some of the Law has been done away with, I only have one thing to say to you, Sh'ma Yisrael (Mark 12:28-34). For if is spoken of by the Christ that on these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets, we as Christians should understand what hangs on those 2 laws, hence as to what I stated before regarding the verse in Exodus and everything connected to it.

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Would this be before they made an attempt, and asked God for forgiveness (Repented) or is this at a point when a person commits suicide like Judas that made no attempts to reconcile his heinous crime of delivering Jesus to his enemies?

Either way, a crime against nature is something that most within Christendom view as wrong. There are circumstances to be sure, even the Watchtower acknowledges that through the Flock book.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_suicide

cf: 2282

2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal.

Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to moral law.

From the Code of Canon Law and Commentary2

Regarding “Those to Whom Ecclesiastical Funeral Rites Are Denied”:

Canon 1184 –

§1. Unless they have given some signs of repentance before their death, the following are to be deprived of ecclesiastical funeral rites:

1º notorious apostates, heretics and schismatics;

2º persons who had chosen the cremation of their own bodies for reasons opposed

to the Christian faith;

3º other manifest sinners for whom ecclesiastical funeral rites cannot be granted without public scandal to the faithful;

§2. If some doubt should arise, the local ordinary is to be consulted; and his judgment is to be followed.

 

1 John 4:4 New Living Translation (NLT)

But you belong to God, my dear children. You have already won a victory over those people, because the Spirit who lives in you is greater than the spirit who lives in the world.

Romans 14:8 New International Version (NIV)

If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.

Ezekiel 18:4 New International Version (NIV)

For everyone belongs to me, the parent as well as the child—both alike belong to me. The one who sins is the one who will die.

 

Should those individuals that took matters into their own hands be given the opportunity to be resurrected? That belongs to God to decide, where the crime of sin would stand before God's authority to Judge that was taken away by a selfish act.

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We have hope in that there will be ' a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous'. 

When a person is dead they have paid for all their sins. 

 

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While those unrighteous will undoubtedly be resurrected by no fault of never knowing God’s purpose and promise? It does not constitute those unrighteous ones after being cleansed and the devil allowed to poison the minds won’t receive a judgment of the second death where there is no resurrection.

However, those that have taken from God’s judgment excelled to the second death. Like those that commit blasphemy against gods holy spirit. Have these righteous and unrighteous paid their debt through death?

Deuteronomy 6 New International Version (NIV)

Love the Lord Your God

6 These are the commands, decrees and laws the Lord your God directed me to teach you to observe in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess, so that you, your children and their children after them may fear the Lord your God as long as you live by keeping all his decrees and commands that I give you, and so that you may enjoy a long life.

1 Peter 4:15 English Standard Version (ESV)

15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a meddler.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 English Standard Version (ESV)

19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, 20 for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

Therefore, no one has the right to take what God has created. In the case of suicide one's mortal soul.

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12 hours ago, FelixCA said:

While those unrighteous will undoubtedly be resurrected by no fault of never knowing God’s purpose and promise? It does not constitute those unrighteous ones after being cleansed and the devil allowed to poison the minds won’t receive a judgment of the second death where there is no resurrection.

However, those that have taken from God’s judgment excelled to the second death. Like those that commit blasphemy against gods holy spirit. Have these righteous and unrighteous paid their debt through death?

Deuteronomy 6 New International Version (NIV)

Love the Lord Your God

6 These are the commands, decrees and laws the Lord your God directed me to teach you to observe in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess, so that you, your children and their children after them may fear the Lord your God as long as you live by keeping all his decrees and commands that I give you, and so that you may enjoy a long life.

1 Peter 4:15 English Standard Version (ESV)

15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a meddler.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 English Standard Version (ESV)

19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, 20 for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

Therefore, no one has the right to take what God has created. In the case of suicide one's mortal soul.

Well I personally don't want to judge anyone as to the resurrection. That would be a wicked thing to do. 

I do know that there are scriptures that say it will be bad for anyone that has stumbled others. So if a person is stumbled by another, is it their own fault or the fault of the other person. Is the other person blood guilty ?

I have no interest in judging others in that way, as to them being worthy of God's mercy. 

I have hope in God that He will, or through Christ He will, show mercy to those whom have been stumbled by a misleading Organisation.

I honestly feel that most of the Greek scriptures are addressed to those of the Anointed, as more is expected of them. So I don't feel that God will deal so harshly with those of the Earthly class. 

I don't think the Judgement day will be anything like it has been pictured on W/t magazines . It will be more spiritual than physical In my opinion. 

 

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15 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Well I personally don't want to judge anyone as to the resurrection. That would be a wicked thing to do. 

That’s extremely funny Butler. You don’t judge, lol! 😂

What do you think you are doing with the Watchtower GB? Don’t drink and drive. 😋

 

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7 hours ago, FelixCA said:

That’s extremely funny Butler. You don’t judge, lol! 😂

What do you think you are doing with the Watchtower GB? Don’t drink and drive. 😋

 

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Typical out of context comment from you cat.

I said "Well I personally don't want to judge anyone as to the resurrection."

Of course we all judge people in everyday life. BUT I said AS TO THE RESURRECTION. 

But you are only a cartoon cat, i can't expect any better from you can I ? :) 

 

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8 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Of course we all judge people in everyday life.

verb judge

to form, give, or have as an opinion, or to decide about something or someone, especially after thinking carefully

to express a bad opinion of someone's behaviour, often because you think you are better than them

to officially decide .....about someone or something

to express the reasons why you have a particular opinion

Perhaps we sometimes making too rashly, too much Conclusions about people and things around us. And we, of course, made errors in Conclusions. Judging sounds somehow as verdict, Final outcome, as like before Judge judging you for death sentence. Conclusions are also "dangerous", can be dangerous if we  making decisions based on current, uncertain knowledge.

 

 

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      Are you depressed?Are you lonely?          Are you suffering from a relationship break-up? Are you being bullied?               Are you suffering from a terminal illness?Do you feel like no one really understands your situation? You might be thinking:why not just end it all, after all no one will notice that I am gone. No one would miss me.I want to let you know that It is never too late for you,you are not too far gone,you are not too lost.You can still return to how you once were, to what you once was.Suicide is never the solution.Suicide is never the answer because:
      (1)THINGS CHANGES OVERTIME.
      Regardless of your situation, things do not stay the same. You may feel very bad today, but it wonÂ’t last forever. The only constant thing in life is change.
      (2) THERE ARE ALWAYS OTHER OPTIONS.
      Confront a problem, defend yourself, wait for it to blow over.Tell a teacher if you're being bullied. Tell your parents if you feel alone. Take action against it.
      (3) EMBRACE THE LOVE.
      There are people who love you- even if you don't see it. The world is not against you, even if it feels like it. You are loved. There are people in your life who love you. Maybe they are on the sidelines of your life where you don't often look, but you would see them there if you did. Or maybe you don't recognize the love they have for you. Maybe you're looking for friendly love and are dismissing someone giving you sisterly love. It can be easy to  miss sometimes, look around. Look intently. You are loved.
      (4)SEEK HELP
      You may feel lost and confused, but the answers to your specific problems are out there. The key is that you have to find the answers. The answers to your problem will not come to you. There are ways to get help. You just have to ask for it. Talk to a friend, a parent, a counselor, a doctor, a cousin. A person will not know what you are passing through if you don't say it. Above all pray to Jehovah...
      These scriptures can comfort you when you feel depressed and think that there is no way out from your situation.
      -Psalm 27:1
      -Deuteronomy 31:8
      -Psalm 23:4
      -Job 5:11
      -Lamentations 3:22-23
      -John 14:27
      -Psalm 46:1
      -2 Corinthians 1:3
      -psalm 119:76
      -John 16:33
      -Psalm 139:11-12
      -Isaiah 49:13
      -Matthew 5:4
      -Psalm 55:22
      -Romans 8:37-39
      Always remember that it is satan that makes a person to feel worthless. Keep fighting and DON'T GIVE UP. For more information on how to cope with depression visit this link.
      https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/awake-no1-2017-february/teen-depression-help/
      This post can help save a life.pls share


    • Guest Nicole
      By Guest Nicole
      A FORMER professional boxer was seen acting strangely moments before darting into the path of an oncoming lorry, an inquest heard.
      Dennis Harbon, 68, suffered head and chest injuries and died at the scene on the A58 Whitehall Road at Scholes on March 1 this year.
      Married Mr Harbon, a retired window cleaner who lived at Mayfield Place in Wyke, had a history of battling depression and his medication had recently been changed, the hearing was told.
      Witnesses described seeing him at the side of the road suddenly running and flailing his arms before jumping in front of the lorry.
      The inquest in Bradford yesterday heard the lorry driver swerved and braked but was left powerless to avoid hitting Mr Harbon.
      Shocked bystanders tried to help him, with one praying for him, until emergency services arrived.
      Mr Harbon, a JehovahÂ’s Witness, had been due to go to a bible teaching session that morning but had cancelled.
      His wife Amanda Harbon told Assistant Bradford Coroner Kirsty Gomersal her husband had been having good and bad days in the run up to his death but she had not thought it was bad enough for him to take his own life.
      Mr Harbon left three notes of apology at his home which led investigating officers to treat his death as a deliberate act, PC Luke Mitchell told the hearing.
      Summing up, Assistant Coroner Ms Gomersal said “much-loved” Mr Harbon had deliberately jumped in front of the lorry and concluded that his death was suicide.
      Mr Harbon boxed professionally from 1973 to 1975 at welterweight and light middle weight taking part in 14 bouts.
      http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/local/localbrad/15533256.Former_professional_boxer_took_own_life__inquest_told/

    • By Brother Rando
      Many religions teach an array of traditions and customs from reincarnation to entering into another realm. Should we put our trust into traditions and customs?   “In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19)“For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5)“ Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out,” (John 5:28)“And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” (Rev 21:4)    Would you like to learn more? 
    • By Kurt
      Why did this crash survivor kill herself?
      ...two years after triple tragedy

      The crash that killed everyone, but spared Sewrhoni Mohan.
      SEWRHONI Mohan awoke early that morning and prepared a meal for her husband.
      As he packed the tools of his trade to head out to work just after daybreak, she told him that while he was gone she would meet her church colleagues to continue the ministry they had been doing in their community.
      When he left, she closed the doors and shut out the world.
      He came home to find her dead. She had placed a plastic bag over her head and suffocated herself to death.
      Why did she do it?
      Mohan had survived a car crash that killed everyone in the vehicle less than two years ago.
      But while her external injuries had healed, the emotional trauma may have left her with a condition known as “Survivor's Guilt”.
      And it probably led her to make the decision to take fate into her own hands.
      On May 18, the 38 year old woman lay on her martial bed and placed a plastic bag over her head and breathed her last.
      Forensic pathologist Dr Valery Alexandrov concluded that there were no signs of foul play involved in the death of Mohan, and that she died of acute oxygen deprivation due to obstruction of the upper airways by the plastic bags put over her face. 
      “There was not the slighted evidence of an altercation. Her clothing was in perfect order. She was wearing a delicate silk blouse which could have been easily torn, but it was not. Even her fingernails were in perfect condition. Nothing at all to suggest foul play”, Alexandrov had told the Express.
      Psychologist Dr Varma Deyalsingh said that Survivor's Guilt can develop when those suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) seek to connect with those who died.
      “People ask why do they have Survivor's Guilt? It seems it's because it is preferable to blame ourselves for things outside of our control than to accept our situation for which we are completely helpless. Survivor's Guilt is also a way to express the connection with those who have died. It's a method of trying to keep them alive in your mind because of guilty feelings since you survived”.
      She was happy
      Mohan's husband, Davenand Rampersad told the Express that his wife was a happy woman, but she struggled emotionally after the car crash on November 25, 2015. 
      Mohan was a passenger in a car which collided head-on into a ten wheeler truck that day. 
      Taxi driver Anthony Marcano, 54, and passengers Felecia Ali, 41, and Sherwin Constantine, 54, died almost instantly.
      Rampersad said his wife remembered nothing of how the crash happened, only that she woke up in a hospital bed with her two legs broken, ribs cracked, bruises and lacerations.
      “The accident had a hold on her. She was not the same afterwards. She was depressed knowing that she too could have died. She was depressed because with her injuries she couldn't move for a while. She was very sad for those who died (in the crash), especially Mr Constantine since that was her friend from church. I believe she was sitting next to him in the taxi”, he said. “She said if she had died in the accident she would not have minded. But I used to tell her she shouldn't feel that way, that she should have been grateful that she was the only survivor”.
      Deyalsingh said that Mohan may have been experiencing emotional conflict.
      “If a close friend or family member died in that crash that is a factor that come into play. There are two conflicting emotions – feeling happy that you survived , and then guilty that the others did not. Once you have two conflicting emotions it is like a tug of war in your brain and that could lead to problems”, said Deyalsingh.
      Acute stress
      The psychologist said that such stress could lead to a disorder known as Acute Stress Disorder (ASD). “This is where the person would have nightmares and relive the event. Sometimes they are numb, sometimes they can't go near cars, or a certain area. After a month if the person is still having flashbacks then ASD is labelled Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD)”, said Deyalsingh. “We find that people suffering from PTSD have a lot of intrusive thoughts where they relive the traumatic event over and over during the day. There may have been a pre-existing problem of depression, and when something else happens they feel overwhelmed”.
      Rampersad said while his wife's outward appearance was the same following the fatal crash, something has changed on the inside.
      Her smile which attracted him more than seven years before at a convention of Jehovah Witnesses at the Oval in Port of Spain had disappeared.
      The couple was married for five years, and according to Rampersad's mother, Radica Rampersad, “he took his time to get married”.
      Rampersad said after the crash, his wife was warded at hospital for three months, then stayed at her family's home at Aranguez.
      He would often make the journey from Chrysosthom Trace in Mayaro to Aranguez to be at her side.
      After a year and a half she moved back to their marital home.
      Rampersad said that the crash left his wife with a fear of “big trucks”, but he talked her all the way through on their way back to their home.
      But as time passed and he would find her crying, Rampersad knew his wife needed help.
      “If I see her crying and tried to talk to her she would push me away, said 'to leave her alone',” he said. “I asked her if she wanted to get professional help and she said 'no'. I asked her sister to talk to her about it. But it didn't happen. But we were doing counselling in church”.
      Deyalsingh advised that there are free psychological clinics at health centres, hospitals, private institutions that people can access across the country.
      He said that there is also the Community Mental Health and Wellness Clinics at Port of Spain and Barataria where people can seek help following traumatic events.
      Trinidad Express
    • By Bible Speaks
      THE HOPE OF THE RESURRECTION 
      The devil can not prevent the resurrection of those in Jehovah's memory. 
      16 "At that time those who fear Jehovah spoke with one another, each one with his companion, and Jehovah kept paying attention and listening. And a book of remembrance was written before himfor those fearing Jehovah and for those meditating on his name. (Mal 3:16)
      28 "Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice"
      29 "and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment." (John 6:28,29)
      15 "And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous."      (Acts 24:15)
       

    • Guest Nicole
      By Guest Nicole
    • By admin
      Wanna kill yourself? Imagine this. You come home from school one day. You’ve had yet another horrible day. You’re just ready to give up. So you go to your room, close the door, and take out that suicide note you’ve written and rewritten over and over and over You take out those razor blades, and cut for the very last time. You grab that bottle of pills and take them all. Laying down, holding the letter to your chest, you close your eyes for the very last time. A few hours later, your little brother knocks on your door to come tell you dinners ready. You don’t answer, so he walks in. All he sees is you laying on your bed, so he thinks you’re asleep. He tells your mom this. Your mom goes to your room to wake you up. She notices something is odd. She grabs the paper in your hand and reads it. Sobbing, she tries to wake you up. She’s screaming your name. Your brother, so confused, runs to go tell Dad that “Mommy is crying and sissy won’t wake up.” Your dad runs to your room. He looks at your mom, crying, holding the letter to her chest, sitting next to your lifeless body. It hits him, what’s going on, and he screams. He screams and throws something at the wall. And then, falling to his knees, he starts to cry. Your mom crawls over to him, and they sit there, holding each other, crying. The next day at school, there’s an announcement. The principal tells everyone about your suicide. It takes a few seconds for it to sink in, and once it does, everyone goes silent. Everyone blames themselves. Your teachers think they were too hard on you. Those mean popular girls, they think of all the things they’ve said to you. That boy that used to tease you and call you names, he can’t help but hate himself for never telling you how beautiful you really are. Your ex boyfriend, the one that you told everything to, that broke up with you.. He can’t handle it. He breaks down and starts crying, and runs out of the school. Your friends? They’re sobbing too, wondering how they could never see that anything was wrong, wishing they could have helped you before it was too late. And your best friend? She’s in shock. She can’t believe it. She knew what you were going through, but she never thought it would get that bad… Bad enough for you to end it. She can’t cry, she can’t feel anything. She stands up, walks out of the classroom, and just sinks to the floor. Shaking, screaming, but no tears coming out. It’s a few days later, at your funeral. The whole town came. Everyone knew you, that girl with the bright smile and bubbly personality. The one that was always there for them, the shoulder to cry on. Lots of people talk about all the good memories they had with you, there were a lot. Everyone’s crying, your little brother still doesn’t know you killed yourself, he’s too young. Your parents just said you died. It hurts him, a lot. You were his big sister, you were supposed to always be there for him. Your best friend, she stays strong through the entire service, but as soon as they start lowering your casket into the ground, she just loses it. She cries and cries and doesn’t stop for days. It’s two years later. Your teachers all quit their job. Those mean girls have eating disorders now. That boy that used to tease you cuts himself. Your ex boyfriend doesn’t know how to love anymore and just sleeps around with girls. Your friends all go into depression. Your best friend? She tried to kill herself. She didn’t succeed like you did, but she tried…your brother? He finally found out the truth about your death. He self harms, he cries at night, he does exactly what you did for years leading up to your suicide. Your parents? Their marriage fell apart. Your dad became a workaholic to distract himself from your death. Your mom got diagnosed with depression and just lays in bed all day. People care. You may not think so, but they do. Your choices don’t just effect you. They effect everyone. Don’t end your life, you have so much to live for. Things can’t get better if you give up. I’m here for absolutely anyone that needs to talk, no matter who you are. Even if we’ve NEVER talked before, I’m here for you. Let's see who actually read all of it.
      For anyone that feels this way ??
      Could 1 friend, please share? We are trying to demonstrate that someone's always listening.
      #SuicideAwareness 1-800-273-8255
    • By JayDubya
      When our brothers lose a loved one, we often say, 'at least we have the resurrection hope.'  This is true, however, the Bible refers to death as a 'sting'.   It hurts and it doesn't go away as quickly as a bee.   
      I lost two parents in 20 days- Two funerals in 30 days.  At least I have the resurrection hope.   

    • Guest Nicole
      By Guest Nicole
      A man from Moldova, stabbed his 6-year-old son in the heart and then cut his veins. The incident happened on Sunday, on Tigrului street from Timișoara.
      The 48-year-old Bessarabian and his wife from Kyrgyzstan, moved to Timișoara a month ago. According to the police, the man locked himself in a room with the child, while his mother was in the bathroom, and stabbed him with a knife. The family was preparing to go to church, being follower of Jehovah's Witnesses.
      When the woman came out of the bathroom, she heard strange noises and had a mental breakdown when he discovered the crime but called 112.
      Opiniatimisoarei.ro informs that when the firefighters entered the room they found the child lying on the bed face up and with his hands on the chest, while his father was father lying in a pool of blood.
      The man was transported to the hospital in very serious condition, but he died because of the wounds caused.
      The neighbors say that the couple was polite, quiet and that they never even heard them arguing, and that the little boy was very tidy.
      The police have started an investigation to determine what was the reason that pushed the man to this extreme gesture. 
      http://en.crimemoldova.com/news/crime/man-stabbed-his-6-year-old-child-and-then-committed-suicide-/
    • Guest Nicole
      By Guest Nicole
      A husband and wife and their two young children were found dead in their home in Irmo, South Carolina on Wednesday after what homicide investigators  called and apparent murder-suicide. Police believe 28-year-old Kia Miller along with their 3-year-old son Kyler and daughter Syrai, who was barely a year old were executed with shots to the upper body by family patriarch and devout Jehovah's Witnesses Sheddrick Byron Miller before he turned the gun on himself. The hellish scene was uncovered after the man's mother, who had not heard from her son in several days, went to their home in the Riverwalk neighborhood around 10 a.m. to investigate. There she discovered the bodies and called police. A spokesman for the Richland County Sheriff's Department told the Charlotte Observer that the initial investigation points to a domestic disturbance prior to the killings. One woman who knew the family told the Associated Press that there was no indication anything was amiss and expressed shock at the tragedy. Authorities say a handgun, the presumed murder weapon was found in the master bedroom near Shedrick Miller's body. His wife, also in the room. The two children were shot dead in their respective bedrooms. Police are still trying to determine the exact time of the murder. South Carolina's homicide rate of women killed by men is the worst in the country, according to a report by the Violence Policy Center in Washington.
      http://egy4u.net/611971.html
       
    • By Jack Ryan
      http://www.clickondetroit.com/lifestyle/man-shares-difficult-decision-to-leave-religion-
    • Guest Nicole
      By Guest Nicole
      WASHINGTON — The death rate in the United States rose last year for the first time in a decade, preliminary federal data show, a rare increase that was driven in part by more people dying from drug overdoses, suicide and Alzheimer’s disease. The death rate from heart disease, long in decline, edged up slightly.
      Death rates — measured as the number of deaths per 100,000 people — have been declining for years, an effect of improvements in health, disease management and medical technology.
      While recent research has documented sharp rises in death rates among certain groups — in particular less educated whites, who have been hardest hit by the prescription drug epidemic — increases for the entire population are relatively rare.
      Federal researchers cautioned that it was too early to tell whether the rising mortality among whites had pushed up the overall national death rate. (Preliminary data is not broken down by race, and final data will not be out until later this year.) But they said the rise was real, and while it is premature to ring an alarm now, if it continues, it could be a signal of distress in the health of the nation.
      “It’s an uptick in mortality and that doesn’t usually happen, so it’s significant,” said Robert Anderson, the chief of mortality statistics at the National Center for Health Statistics, part of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. “But the question is, what does it mean? We really need more data to know. If we start looking at 2016 and we see another rise, we’ll be a lot more concerned.”
      The death rate rose to 729.5 deaths per 100,000 people in 2015, up from 723.2 in 2014, according to the National Center for Health Statistics. It was one of the few times in the past 25 years that the rate has increased. A bad flu season pushed it up in 2005, and AIDS and the flu contributed to a sharp increase in 1993. In 1999, there was a tiny increase.
      Experts said the current rise was surprising.
      “We are not accustomed to seeing death rates increase on a national scale,” said Andrew Fenelon, a researcher at the C.D.C. who did not work on the paper. “We’ve seen increases in mortality for some groups, but it is quite rare to see it for the whole population.”
      He added that it would drag the United States further behind its European peers: “Many countries in Europe are witnessing declines in mortality, so the gap between the U.S. and other countries is growing.”
      Others said the finding seemed to fit the broader pattern of rising mortality among working-class whites, a trend that has drawn significant attention recently. Last year, a paper by Anne Case and Angus Deaton documented rising death rates among middle-age white Americans, particularly those with no more than a high school education. Other research has found rising rates among younger whites.
      “This is probably heavily influenced by whites,” said Sam Harper, an epidemiologist at McGill University in Montreal. “It does sort of fit together.”
      Chronic diseases like cancer and heart disease take by far the most American lives, far more, for example, than suicide or homicide, so any change in such causes can have a big effect on the final numbers. Dr. Anderson pointed out that the death rate from heart disease, which had been declining for decades — and offsetting the rises in drug deaths, for example — flattened. That gives other causes of death more of an influence, Dr. Anderson said, as they are no longer being offset by declines from heart disease.
      The death rate from heart disease stood at 167.1 in 2015, up from 166.7 in 2014, though the rise was not statistically significant. It was the first time since 1993 that the rate did not decline, Dr. Anderson said.
      The death rate from suicides rose to 13.1 in the third quarter of 2015, from 12.7 in the same quarter of 2014. (The last quarter of 2015 data was not yet available for suicides.)
      The same was true for drug overdoses, whose data the report had for only the first two quarters of 2015. The death rate for overdoses rose to 15.2 in the second quarter of 2015, compared with 14.1 in the same quarter of 2014. The rate for so-called unintentional injuries, which include drug overdoses and car accidents, rose to 42 in the third quarter of 2015, up from 39.9 in the same quarter of 2014.
      The rate for Alzheimer’s disease was also up, rising to 29.2 in 2015, compared with 25.4 in 2014, the continuation of some years of increases. Dr. Anderson said that part of the rise was more precise reporting of Alzheimer’s on death certificates, but that overalldementia-related deaths had increased over time.
      Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/01/health/american-death-rate-rises-for-first-time-in-a-decade.html


    • By Jesus.defender
      CHRIST’S BODILY RESURRECTION ‘I have power to take it again’Jn 10:18
      Watchtower Teaching: ‘Jesus was raised to life as an invisible spirit. He did not take up again that body in which he had been killed . . .’ ‘Let your Name be sanctified.’ (p.266).
      The Watchtower teaches that Jesus’ body was disposed of by God.
      The NWT mistranslates I Peter 3:18 as ‘being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit’ to teach merely a spiritual resurrection of Christ.
      Bible Teaching: I Peter 3:18 refers to when Christ died. His Spirit went and preached to spirits in prison (v. 19,20). After three days, Christ’s physical body was raised.
      I Peter 3:18 (KJV) correctly reads: ‘being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.’
      Which Scriptures best teach Christ’s bodily resurrection?
      1. ‘They were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.’ (v.37) He said unto them, ‘Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.’ (Luke 24:37, 39)
      Notice that the resurrected Christ says here that:
      (1) He is not a spirit;
      (2) His resurrection body has flesh and bones;
      (3) His physical hands and feet are proof of His physical resurrection;
      Jesus is trying to convince them that He, ‘I myself’ has a permanent physical body which still had the nail scars in His hands and feet. This is opposite to the WT teaching that Christ’s body was disposed of and that He became only a spirit. If the WT claim was correct, then
      Jesus would be deceiving the disciples here in showing them His body.
      2. ‘Then saith he to Thomas, . . . reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.’ (John 20:27)
      Here Jesus says that He has a physical side that He challenges Thomas to touch.
      3. ‘Neither did his flesh see corruption.’ - Acts 2:30,31
      Notice the following:
      a) God promised David that ‘according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ’ to sit on his throne.’ (v.30). This is a bodily resurrection of Christ, not spiritual. The NWT omits this because of its corrupt Westcott-Hort Greek text. Well over 38 manuscripts have it.
      b) ‘neither did his flesh see corruption’ (v.31) means that Christ’s body did not decay.
      Why? Because Jesus was raised from the dead in a material, fleshly body.
      4. ‘I will raise it up . . . he spake of the temple of his body.’ - John 2:19-21
      ‘Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up (v.19). But he spake of the temple of his body.’ (v.21)
      Jesus here promised that He Himself would raise up His own body after three days.
      Notice how Jesus uses the word ‘body’ meaning a bodily resurrection, not a spiritual resurrection.
      5. Christ promises to eat of the fruit of the vine in the Kingdom. Only a body can eat.
      ‘I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the Kingdom of God shall come.’(Luke 22:18)
      Jesus here showed that his resurrected body would be able to eat and drink even in the Kingdom of God. Notice that a non-material spirit cannot eat and drink. Jesus promised the disciples in Luke 22:30 ‘that ye may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom.’
      Question: If Jesus expected to become an immaterial spirit, why would He promise the disciples that they would eat and drink with Christ at His table in His Kingdom?
      6. Christ ate a broiled fish and a honeycomb in front of them. Luke 24:41,42.
      7. ‘he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies’. Rom. 8:11
      As Christ’s body was raised physically from the dead, so shall our mortal bodies be raised.
      8. His resurrection body could ‘breathe on them’(John 20:22). A spirit cannot breathe, can it?
      9. ‘His feet shall stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives...’ Zechariah 14:4
      A spirit does not have feet. Only a physical body has feet as Jesus has at His second coming.
      10. ‘One shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands?’ Zechariah 13:6
      Question: How can a non-material spirit have wounds in his hands which can be observed?
      11. The resurrected, glorified Christ touched John, laying his right hand on him. Rev. 1:17
      Watchtower Objection: JWs quote I Corinthians 15:44,50 to support their claim that Jesus was raised from the dead as a spirit creature:
      a) ‘It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.’ (v.44)
      b) ‘flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.’ (v.50). JWs claim that Jesus must have had a spiritual resurrection, because flesh-and-blood bodies cannot exist in heaven.
      They claim that mortality and corruption belong to the fleshly body.
      Bible Teaching:
      a) The Greek word for body, ‘soma’ (4983), always means a material body, an organised whole made up of parts, when used of a person (Zodhiates, NT Word Study,p.1358). The spiritual
      body in I Cor.15:44 is not an immaterial body, but a supernatural, spirit-dominated body.
      It is a body directed by the spirit, as opposed to a body under the dominion of the flesh.
      There are no exceptions to Paul using ‘soma’ for a material body.
      Paul even refers to a believer as a ‘spiritual’ man who judges all things (I Cor. 2:15), yet Paul did not mean an immaterial invisible man with no physical body.
      He meant a spirit-controlled man with a flesh and blood body.
      QUESTION: In I Corinthians 2:15 (‘He that is spiritual judgeth all things’), is Paul discussing an invisible spirit creature or a material, flesh-and-blood human? Can you see that being ‘spiritual’ does not demand a non-material body? The same is true in I Corinthians 15:44.
      b) Key: In v.50 ‘flesh and blood’ is an idiom meaning that mortal, perishable, earth-bound
      humans, as we are now, cannot have a place in God’s glorious, heavenly Kingdom.
      c) ‘this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.’v.53
      Nothing is taken away from us (materialness). Instead immortality is ‘put on’ or added to us.
      Question: Don’t the words ‘put on’ mean adding something to humanity (that is immortality),
      not taking away something from humanity (our material body)?
      Conclusion: Since Christ’s resurrected body could eat, drink, breathe (John 20:22), show His hands and feet with scars (Luke 24:40), be touched, and have flesh and bones (Luke 24:39), it is certain that this body was a material body. This is especially true since Jesus corrected the disciples’ misconception that they had seen a spirit (Luke 24:37).
      For the JWs to say that a body is not a body, is their last resort of redefining common words.
       
    • By io.porog
      Who will call the dead to life? Who is doing the calling in these scriptures?
      Because my friend thinks Jesus is the one who will do the calling, but thought it was God going by Job and John here:
      Job 14: 13 O that in the Grave you would conceal me,
      That you would hide me until your anger passes by,
      That you would set a time limit for me and remember me!
      14 If a man dies, can he live again?
      I will wait all the days of my compulsory service
      Until my relief comes.
      15 You will call, and I will answer you.
      You will long for the work of your hands.
       
      John 5: 28 Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 
       
      It would seem that Jehovah does the calling. But please let me know if I have this wrong and please provide references. Thanks.
    • By JAMMY
      http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/bios-incube
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      By Guest Nicole
      Joseph Sabbatino leaped to his death from the 53rd story of L.A.'s Wilshire Grand Center on Friday The married 36-year-old, who was taking medication for depression, landed on the hood of a passing car below  Sabbatino was also found to have removed his helmet and had not been wearing a safety harness A Los Angeles County Coroner has now ruled that Sabbatino's tragic death was a suicide; no note has been discovered  Motorist Donna Crockett was hysterical after he landed on her car and said it had 'really taken a toll' on her  A statement from Turner Construction says the death was not a work related incident, indication it may have been a suicide  
       
      An electrician who plunged 53 floors to his death after leaping from the West Coast's highest skyscraper committed suicide, a coroner has ruled.
      Joseph Sabbatino was only on his second day on the job at the construction site of the unfinished, $1billion Wilshire Grand Center when he plummeted 800 feet onto the trunk of a car that was passing below.
      Coroner's Lt. David Smith confirmed today that the 36-year-old's death was a suicide.
      Sabbatino's father Vance revealed that his son had a long battle with depression and had been taking medication before his death.
      His devastated wife Melken Sabbatino wrote on Facebook after his tragic death that she was 'thinking about my husband. Missing you.' 
      Authorities found that the married Jehovah's Witness had removed his helmet and had not been wearing a harness before the fall on Friday- as he was only contracted to work on the lower levels
      Turner Construction has since released a statement to say there had been a safety barrier on the 53rd floor to prevents falls, and that the incident had not been work related. Around 1,000 employees were given the day off following Sabbatino's death.
      Horrified witnesses described the moment they saw Sabbatino fall to his death and land on a car below.
      James Armstrong III had been walking to a nearby bank moments after the fall said motorist Donna Crockett had been 'hysterical' and waving her hands in the air.
      'It's really taken a toll on me, because right now, I'm not strong and right now I am hurting,' Crockett told KTLA. 'It was traumatic, it something that I never thought I would have to see.'
      She was taken to hospital after the incident in shock.
      Mel Melcon, an LA Times photographer, was on assignment at the building when he noticed the man's body lying 'off the driver's side of the car.'
      'It sounded like a bag of cement fell off the edge of the building,' he said.
      'No one thought it was a body,' Melcon told his paper. 'We heard no screams.' 
      The vehicle escaped major damage but the rear side panel was splattered with blood, officials said.  
      'We have confirmed with (California's Division of Occupational Safety and Health and Los Angeles police) that the incident which occurred at the Wilshire Grand project site on March 17 was not work-related,' a statement issued by Turner Construction read.
      Work was shut down Friday and counselors would be on hand for employees, the statement said.
      Ed Winter, assistant chief Los Angeles County Coroner, said as far as he knew, there was no suicide note.
      Winter said the man, a new employee on his second day on the job, died instantly. The investigation will continue. 
      Chris Martin, CEO of Martin Project Management, which is supervising the construction, said there were barricades around the edge of the building and other safety measures in place.
      All of the building's 891 workers had undergone training, Martin said.
      'There's safety training for every worker on the job, and certain locations there's very specialized training. So these are all smart people,' Martin said. 'We had no injuries up to this date.' 
      When asked whether there might have been any electrical work that needed doing near the edge of the building, Martin said there wasn't.
      The paper also reported that there was an eight-foot-high 'integrity fence' in place to keep workers and equipment from falling off the tower.
      No tethering harness was seen on the man's body, although employees are required to wear one when working.
      A construction worker who spoke to the Times on condition of anonymity said that he saw the man's body, and initially thought the woman had run him over. 
      'We asked the driver: 'Did you run this man over?' She said no,' the worker said. 'That's when I knew he had fallen off the building.'
      He added that when he returned to the building he found a hard hat with the dead man's employee number on the 53rd floor.
      Maurice Lopez, who works at the neighboring Bonaventure said he was saddened to hear that someone working on the building he watched go up for years had died.
      That's crazy. Usually when you walk by here, you see the guys up there attached to something,' Lopez, 50, of Los Angeles told the LA Times. 'Now I'm gonna feel sick walking by here.'
      This is the first accident to happen at the location, the Times reported. There were around 850 workers on the site as of last week.  
      The Wilshire Grand Center is located on South Figueroa Street, at one of the busiest intersections in the city. The man's fall resulted in disruption to traffic flow.
      Upon completion, the $1billion skycraper, which has been under construction for two years, will be the tallest building west of the Mississippi. It will reach a height of 73 stories and will be 1,100 feet tall, including a 100-foot spire.
      It is expected to open early 2017. 
      Family and friends paid tribute to the 'sweet' man with a 'good heart' that was always so full of life.
      Susanne Dean wrote on Facebook: 'Joseph was very sweet and made us laugh and we had some good times with him...my boys thought he was so cool to invite them over to play video games and just hang out.
      'He was full of hope and life. That is the Joseph that we will remember.'
      Eric Mutuc added: 'Joseph was a friend of mine when we were children. He had a good heart, and although he may not have ever known it, I loved him like a brother. 
      Jerron Ragan said: 'Rest in peace Joseph Sabbatino. You were always a good friend. I'll miss you.'

      Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3508352/LA-electrician-36-plunged-53-stories-death-West-Coast-s-highest-skyscraper-committed-suicide-coroner-rules.html
       








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