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Apparently Satan finds great joy in seducing people to join his side, knowing they will die with him in Armageddon. So instead of killing them himself, Satan lets God do the dirty work.

We know this, because Jehovah tells us so in the Bible.

So, basically, God knows that Satan wants him, God, to kill people who side with him, Satan.

But instead of protecting people from being seduced by Satan, God just goes with it and will knowingly do Satan’s dirty work. Is this something a loving God would do?


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I agree that you need to read and study your Bible. When God executes anyone he is riding the cause of righteousness; he is not doing dirty work. 


He will also execute persons for saying shocking things about Him.  See scripture below:

(Jude 15) “ to execute judgment against all, and to convict all the ungodly concerning all their ungodly deeds that they did in an ungodly way, and concerning all the shocking things that ungodly sinners spoke against him.”


(Job 34:12) 12 For a certainty, God does not act wickedly; The Almighty does not pervert justice.


Please consider the following scriptures and the excerpt below.


(Gen 2:16-17) 16 Jehovah God also gave this command to the man: “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. 17 But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.”


It is God’s work to execute sinners.  He said he would in the above scripture.


(Gen 3:1-5)  1Now the serpent was the most cautious of all the wild animals of the field that Jehovah God had made. So it said to the woman: “Did God really say that you must not eat from every tree of the garden?” 2 At this the woman said to the serpent: “We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden. 3 But God has said about the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden: ‘You must not eat from it, no, you must not touch it; otherwise you will die.’” 4 At this the serpent said to the woman: “You certainly will not die. 5 For God knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad.”


God is not doing Satan’s work. It is true that Satan has the means to cause death; however, Satan said in the beginning that mankind won’t die if they sinned. So how is it Satan’s work?

When Adam and Eve’s lifespan came to an end (within God’s thousand-year day) it was God’s sentence of death, not Satan’s.

When God executes the wicked he is doing His work as he is a God of justice and a God of truth. Everything he said he would do in the past came true. (Joshua 23:14) Everything he says he will do in the future will also come true.  (Rev 21:5, 8)

Righteous work – not dirty work

When Jehovah commands his Son to destroy the wicked it will be for the cause of righteousness – not dirty work.

 (Psalms 45:3-7) 3 Strap your sword on your side, O mighty one, In your dignity and your splendor.  4 And in your splendor go on to victory; Ride in the cause of truth and humility and righteousness, And your right hand will accomplish awe-inspiring things.  5 Your arrows are sharp, making peoples fall before you; They pierce the hearts of the king’s enemies.  6 God is your throne forever and ever; The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of uprightness.  7 You loved righteousness, and you hated wickedness. That is why God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.


 (Isaiah 11:4, 5) He will judge the lowly with fairness, And with uprightness he will give reproof in behalf of the meek ones of the earth. He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth And put the wicked to death with the breath of his lips.  5 Righteousness will be the belt around his waist, And faithfulness the belt of his hips.


 (Acts 17:30, 31) . . .True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance; but now he is declaring to all people everywhere that they should repent. 31 Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”


 (Rev 6:2) 2 And I saw, and look! a white horse, and the one seated on it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went out conquering and to complete his conquest. 


*** it-1 pp. 488-489 Colors ***

White is the color most often mentioned in the Scriptures. Besides its descriptive use, it also serves as a symbol of righteousness and spiritual cleanness. (Re 3:4; 7:9, 13, 14) The white horse, as portrayed at Revelation 6:2 and 19:11, symbolizes clean, righteous warfare under Jesus Christ’s direction


(Revelation 19:11-16) 11 I saw heaven opened, and look! a white horse. And the one seated on it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness. 12 His eyes are a fiery flame, and on his head are many diadems. He has a name written that no one knows but he himself, 13 and he is clothed with an outer garment stained with blood, and he is called by the name The Word of God. 14 Also, the armies in heaven were following him on white horses, and they were clothed in white, clean, fine linen. 15 And out of his mouth protrudes a sharp, long sword with which to strike the nations, and he will shepherd them with a rod of iron. Moreover, he treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his outer garment, yes, on his thigh, he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.


*** w14 2/15 pp. 5-6 Hail Christ, the Glorious King! ***


11 Read Psalm 45:4. The Warrior-King does not wage a war of conquest in order to occupy territories and subjugate peoples. He wages a righteous war with noble objectives. He rides “in the cause of truth and humility and righteousness.” The greatest truth that must be defended is that of Jehovah’s universal sovereignty. Satan challenged the legitimacy of Jehovah’s rulership when he rebelled against Him. Since then, that fundamental truth has been disputed by both demons and humans. Now the time has come for Jehovah’s anointed King to ride forth to establish the truth of Jehovah’s sovereignty once and for all.

12 The King also rides ‘in the cause of humility.’ As God’s only-begotten Son, he himself has provided a sterling example of humility and loyal subjection to his Father’s sovereignty. (Isa. 50:4, 5; John 5:19) All loyal subjects of the King must follow his example and humbly submit to Jehovah’s sovereignty in all things. Only those who do so will be allowed to live in God’s promised new world.—Zech. 14:16, 17.

13 Christ also sallies forth ‘in the cause of righteousness.’ The righteousness that the King defends is “God’s righteousness”—Jehovah’s standards of what is right and what is wrong. (Rom. 3:21; Deut. 32:4) About the King Jesus Christ, Isaiah prophesied: “A king will reign for righteousness.” (Isa. 32:1) Jesus’ reign will usher in the promised “new heavens” and “new earth,” wherein “righteousness is to dwell.” (2 Pet. 3:13) Every inhabitant of that new world will be required to conform to Jehovah’s standards.—Isa. 11:1-5.

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  • Ps 119:1
  • Happy are those who are blameless in their way, Who walk in the law of Jehovah. 
  • Ps 119:2
  • Happy are those who observe his reminders, Who search for him with all their heart. 
  • Ps 119:3
  • They practice no unrighteousness; They walk in his ways.

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I would simply like to add 2 scriptures to the bulk of information Mellinda Mills provided.

2 Peter 3:9 Jehovah  is not slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.

John 3:16 For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

The assumptions made (about what Satan wants and God knows) to support the initial question are just that, assumptions. The whole argument is hypothetical and wrong as proven by the scriptures.

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On 9/17/2016 at 11:10 AM, Jay Witness said:

Apparently Satan finds great joy in seducing people to join his side, knowing they will die with him in Armageddon. So instead of killing them himself, Satan lets God do the dirty work.


Hi Jay Witness,

I am sorry for your confusion; I, too had similar thoughts.  The scriptures helped me realize that neither God nor Christ are the Destroyers, as destruction comes at the hands of Satan. Although the WT teaches the Destroyer is Jesus; scripture proves this is a lie (John 14:6).  Isa 33:1; Rev 9:11; Job 26:6; 1 Cor 10:10; Exod 12:23; Prov 17:11; Ps 17:3,4; Heb 11:28

Woe to you, destroyer,
    you who have not been destroyed!
Woe to you, betrayer,
    you who have not been betrayed!
When you stop destroying,
    you will be destroyed;
when you stop betraying,
    you will be betrayed.  Isa 33:1

On 9/17/2016 at 6:06 PM, Melinda Mills said:

When Jehovah commands his Son to destroy the wicked it will be for the cause of righteousness – not dirty work.

Jesus said, “You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.  But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.”  John 5:39,40


Ps 36:9 - For with You is the fountain of life; In Your light we see light.

Executing judgment is the revealing of truth by means of purifying “fire”.  2 Pet 3:7,10,12; Isa 66:15; Mal 4:1; Matt 13:30   This is not a judgment made by literal fire, Jer 23:29; Rev 2:27; 12:5; Ps 2:9; Heb 12:29; Jer 5:14; Hosea 6:5; Rev 11:3,5; Matt 3:11

 “I came to send fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!”  Luke 12:49

The harvest period and the separation of wheat and weeds is based on the acceptance of pure truth against lies. When we are confronted with both, we are either cleansed of lies through humility and our desire to please our Father and His Son, or we are condemned through their acceptance.  John 12:48; 1 Corr 3:13; 1 Pet 1:7; 2 Thess 1:7; Matt 25:31,32

We understand this spiritual analogy when looking at the “two edged sword” of Christ’s in Rev 1:16; 19:15,21

Eph.6:17 – And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God

Heb.4:12 –  For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

(2Cor.10:4; 1Tim.1:18; 2Tim.2:3; Rev.19:11,14; 17:14)

It is our own response to truth or lies and who we surrender to, that causes our destruction. Jesus said narrow is the road; meaning truth takes effort to find and follow, in repentance.  God’s standards are not man’s standards, which we easily forget as man formulates his own set of standards.  Just as easily, we assume we understand God’s justice. The Tribulation we face is our choice of life in Christ, or death at the hands of Satan.

God “sends” a great tribulation that determines our place as wheat or weeds.  2 Thess 2:11

But for those who stand firm on the narrow road can be assured of life, because “as it is written” -

“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him."
1 Cor 2:9 

 Who is to Blame?




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