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Good Day friends 

I've recently received a voice note of a brother giving a talk and mentioned that the governing body feels that the prophecy in Matt 24:14 has been fulfilled.

I'll try to attach the file

Please let me know what you think

Thanks in advance my dear brothers and sisters

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On 4/7/2017 at 8:52 AM, Edward J said:

Good Day friends 

I've recently received a voice note of a brother giving a talk and mentioned that the governing body feels that the prophecy in Matt 24:14 has been fulfilled.

I'll try to attach the file

Please let me know what you think

Thanks in advance my dear brothers and sisters

AUD-20170407-WA0002.mp3

Who is the brother that gave the talk?

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9, 10. (a) By what work would God’s servants be identified in the last days? (b) How have Jehovah’s Witnesses fulfilled 

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9 There is another way to identify God’s servants. In his prophecy about the world’s end, Jesus told of many things that would mark this period of time as the last days. (See Part 9.) A basic feature of this prophecy is mentioned in his words at 

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: “This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.”

10 Have we seen that prophecy being fulfilled? Yes. Since the last days began in 1914, Jehovah’s Witnesses have preached the good news of God’s Kingdom throughout the world in the manner ordered by Jesus, namely, at the homes of the people. (

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) Millions of Witnesses call on people in every nation to talk to them about the new world. This has led to your receiving this brochure, as the work of Jehovah’s Witnesses includes printing and distributing billions of pieces of literature about God’s Kingdom. Do you know of anyone else who preaches about God’s Kingdom from house to house throughout the world? And 
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 shows that this preaching and teaching work must be done “first,” before the end comes.

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The brochure Kirk quoted has hit the nail on the head so to speak.

The prophesy could be fulfilled and very likely is.

This is how I see all of this...

Matt 24:14 Says ......................... And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations,and THEN(not immediately after) the end will come.

How long after the good news has been preached to all the inhabited earth will the end come??? 

How long is "THEN"??

Hence 

..........The prophesy could be fulfilled and very likely is...........

 

 

Goodness I said Kirk..Apologies brother

KURT 

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4 hours ago, derek1956 said:

I would like to hear the full talk and the name of the brother who gave it and where

 

I would like the same information as nothing official like that has been announced. Is the brother a Bethelite? 

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8 hours ago, Tammie Nokes said:

I would like the same information as nothing official like that has been announced. Is the brother a Bethelite?

Good question. Sounds like he feels passionate about his view.

Couple of points that interested  me. First, he said that only 3 countries in the world have no Jehovahs Witnesses now: Somalia, North Korea, Afghanistan. Can anyone verify or corroborate this?

Second he said that now that the good news has been preached ( I won't take issue with that here), the very next prophecy to be fulfilled is Rev.17:15-17, the destruction of Babylon the Great. Is he right on this? Did I miss something? Recently I read the following in God's Kingdom Rules; Page 222-3; paras 3-4:

Precursor of “Sudden Destruction”
3 Proclaiming peace. In writing to the Thessalonians, the apostle Paul described the first development that we are awaiting. (Read 1 Thessalonians 5:2, 3.) In this letter Paul mentions “Jehovah’s day,” which will begin with the attack on “Babylon the Great.” (Rev. 17:5) However, just before Jehovah’s day begins, nations will be saying, “Peace and security!” This expression may refer to one pronouncement or to a series of notable statements. Will religious leaders be involved? Since they are part of the world, they will possibly join the nations in saying, “There is peace!” (Jer. 6:14; 23:16, 17; Rev. 17:1, 2) This proclaiming of peace and security will signal that the day of Jehovah is about to begin. Enemies of God’s Kingdom “will by no means escape.”
4 How do we benefit from understanding the significance of this prophecy? Paul states: “You are not in darkness, so that the day should overtake you as it would thieves.” (1 Thess. 5:3, 4) Unlike people in general, we discern where current events are heading. In exactly what manner will this prophecy about peace and security be fulfilled? We must wait and see how the world scene develops. Therefore, “let us stay awake and keep our senses.”—1 Thess. 5:6; Zeph. 3:8.

So, does this brother know something I don't know?
 

 

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According to the most recent yearbook, those 3 places are not listed. Either the witnesses there don't record their efforts because of the circumstances or there aren't any witnesses there at all. If the latter is the fact that doesn't mean The Word hasn't reached them either via social media or long distance families or friends. 

I don't feel comfortable sharing information from "the brothers at Bethel" unless it's announced from the podium but that's just me. ?

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On 4/8/2017 at 4:03 PM, Tammie Nokes said:

Who is the brother that gave the talk?

Bro. Rayford. 10 years ago. Nothing to see here.

An article in the 2006 Watchtower had just come out that said that Matthew 24:14 had already been fulfilled in Paul's day, and the end had already come, too:

  • *** w06 2/1 p. 24 pars. 11-12 “A Witness to All the Nations” ***
  • 11 Jehovah richly blessed the efforts of those and other zealous workers. Less than 30 years after Jesus foretold that there would be a witness to all the nations, Paul wrote that the “good news” had been “preached in all creation that is under heaven.” (Colossians 1:23) Did the end then come? In a sense, yes. It came upon the Jewish system of things in the year 70 C.E. when Roman armies destroyed Jerusalem along with the temple. Yet, Jehovah had determined that a far greater witness would be given before he would bring an end to Satan’s global system of things.

But there was no difference in the way that article spoke of the nearness of the fulfillment in our day, nothing about a complete fulfillment yet.

If I had to guess, Brother James Rayford is extrapolating from some comments that are heard from time to time by members of the Governing Body. The question comes up about whether Armageddon must wait until all nations have had a thorough witness. The answer is always, NO. And sometimes the verse in Colossians or another in Romans is used as a way of showing that 100% saturation is not necessary for the next items in the anticipated agenda to also be fulfilled. The point is that we can't wait and say that the end can't come yet, when Jesus said it could come any time. It's easy to misinterpret this somewhat if one wants to drive home a point about the closeness of the end.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Tammie Nokes said:

So he is a member of the governing body?

No. Not even a Governing Body "Helper." Don't know anything about his current assignments.

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5 hours ago, Eoin Joyce said:

First, he said that only 3 countries in the world have no Jehovahs Witnesses now: Somalia, North Korea, Afghanistan. Can anyone verify or corroborate this?

That may be true, but I have mentioned on this forum a few months ago the issue with countries with extremely large populations such as India and China with over 1.3. billion each totaling aprox. 36% of the world's population where for all intents and purposes no one has even heard of Jehovah's Witnesses, and many, particularly in India don't even know what a Bible is. My question was, would Jehovah discard nearly 3 billion people because they have not heard the Good News of the Kingdom?  And if not, how long would it take for those 3 billion (bear in mind the extreme poverty and ignorance in some parts of these countries) to be made sufficiently aware in order to make an informed choice?

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So is there a title to the talk given 10 years ago?

And maybe where given?

We are waiting for the destruction of false religion. Peace and security is going now as we speak. This is the priority of all governments and major lawmakers on the planet, they are trying to sell this concept, that they can bring this about. Trump in his inaugural speech said he would bring about such safety to the crime ridden streets of America. What a promise! 

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2 hours ago, John Houston said:

Peace and security is going now as we speak

Is that your personal view?

3 hours ago, Anna said:

extremely large populations such as India and China with over 1.3. billion each totaling aprox. 36% of the world's population

Very good observation.

I suspect that the apostles had many questions like this  when Jesus commanded them to "Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations". And they had no idea of the scope of this work in the detailed manner that is possible for us in these times. 

Of course, Jesus last words at that time guaranteed success right down to our day and beyond :"And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things." Matt. 28:18-20.

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5 hours ago, John Houston said:

So is there a title to the talk given 10 years ago?

I think it was the main talk at the  2006 Special Assembly Day called "Be Intensely Occupied With God's Inspired Word." Rumor has it that the brother who gave it was "demoted" from his "district convention" speaking assignments for going off-script. The 2007 "district convention" had a talk called "Do Not Follow After False Stories" where this same talk was alluded to.

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2 hours ago, Eoin Joyce said:

I suspect that the apostles had many questions like this  when Jesus commanded them to "Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations". And they had no idea of the scope of this work in the detailed manner that is possible for us in these times. 

Of course, Jesus last words at that time guaranteed success right down to our day and beyond :"And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things." Matt. 28:18-20.

Good point. When the activity of the first few years after Jesus' death included people of many nations (beginning at Pentecost) this must have answered the question for them. Technically, they could have reasoned that Jesus' command in Matthew 28 would be fulfilled if at least one person from every nation became a disciple. Yet, they saw that quick spread among all the [known] nations of the Roman Empire and realized that the "world" was being turned up-side-down by their teaching. Technically, even Matthew 24 didn't require that those nations be thoroughly preached in, only that the good news be preached there. Recall that the method Jesus had recommended for Israel was not to go from house to house, but only to stay with people in a city that would invite you. If they didn't, just kick the dust off your feet and move on to another place.

As you say they could hardly have imagined the scope and detail possible in our time.

I forgot to mention in previous comments that the Watchtower in 1995 had also made the same claim that Matthew 24:14 had already been fulfilled, but the larger context was that the work should keep going as urgently as ever:

*** w95 9/1 pp. 17-18 pars. 16-17 Christian Witnesses for Divine Sovereignty ***
Paul showed that he understood this well. By the year 61 C.E., he could say that the good news was “bearing fruit and increasing in all the world.” The good news was not limited to just one nation . . .  Rather, it was openly “preached in all creation that is under heaven.” (Colossians 1:6, 23; 2:13, 14, 16-18) Thus, the Israel of God in the first century fulfilled its commission to “‘declare abroad the excellencies’ of the one that called [them] out of darkness into his wonderful light.”
17 Still, that first-century preaching work was merely a foretaste of what would be accomplished during the last days. Looking forward especially to our time, Jesus said: “This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.” (Matthew 24:14; Mark 13:10) Has this prophecy been fulfilled? Indeed, it has.

In saying that the good news had been preached, back around 61, Paul never implied that the work was done. But he was more likely rejoicing in the extent to which the work had been blessed. That is implied in the conclusion of the same article:

*** w95 9/1 p. 18 par. 19 Christian Witnesses for Divine Sovereignty ***
No wonder the apostle Paul was moved to say: “Woe is me if I did not declare the good news!” (1 Corinthians 9:16) Christians today feel the same way. . . . The work that had a small beginning in 1919 has now reached astounding proportions. Almost five million Christians are witnessing for divine sovereignty . . .  What a joy it is to have a part in this work of sanctifying Jehovah’s name! As we enter the 1996 service year, let us be determined not to slow down. Rather, we will more than ever heed Paul’s words to Timothy: “Preach the word, be at it urgently.” (2 Timothy 4:2) As we do so, we pray with all our hearts that Jehovah will continue to bless our efforts.

 

 

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Matthew 10:16-23

mentions about the time we live in and in verse 23 it says we would not complete the circuit of Israel until the son of man arrives

so you see the preaching is to Jehovah`s satisfaction not to man`s

 

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On 4/10/2017 at 11:41 AM, Kurt said:

Does God Really Care About Us? Printing 2014 October

(some other "notes" I can add from the cd wt library) ....

2010
*** w10 5/1 p. 6 What Is God Doing? ***
We know this because the sign that Jesus foretold regarding “the conclusion of the system of things” is now being fulfilled.

2000
*** w00 10/15 p. 11 par. 7 God’s Kingdom—Earth’s New Rulership ***
That is why, as part of the sign that we now live in “the last days” of this wicked system, Jesus foretold: “This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.” (2 Timothy 3:1-5; Matthew 24:14) That prophecy is being fulfilled now, as about six million Jehovah’s Witnesses in 234 lands devote more than a billion hours a year telling others about God’s Kingdom. 

1997
*** w97 3/1 p. 11 par. 9 Are You Ready for Jehovah’s Day? ***
The foretold Kingdom-preaching work and other features of the sign of Jesus’ presence are being fulfilled right now. 
 


our understanding will be different (/better), as soon as we see the prophecy fulfilled, and we will understand more details when things will happen, (as we all, we will compare it then, with the knowledge & understanding we have now) ...B|

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