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Um that's not word for word.  As a does not exist there.

A precedent for translating John 1:1,”…and the Word was a god” comes from the Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson. His translation actually reads “the LOGOS was God.” But he placed the words “a god” under “theos” in the Greek and English.

Mr. Wilson never studied biblical Greek in college. He was a follower of John Thomas, a proven false prophet by biblical definition, and the founder of the Christadelphians, a Christ-dishonoring cult.

Yes, all the “precedents” for translating John 1:1 “…and the Word was a god” crumble away under close and honest scholarship.

First of all, the same Greek word is used in both occurrences of the word "God" in John 1:1.  This same word is used in many contexts, whether it refers to the Only True God or whether it is referring to a false god - such as a man-made god (1 Cor. 8:5) or Satan as the ‘god of this age’ (2 Cor. 4:4).  The apparent differences in spelling between the word ‘God’ in the phrase ‘and the Word was God’ (‘theos’) and in other places, (even in the previous phrase, ‘and the Word was with God’ (‘theon’)) is due to inflection in the Greek language.  Each Greek noun normally has 8 or 9 forms (cases & number) in which it can appear.  In the first instance in John 1:1 it is the object of preposition and thus is in the accusative case. In the phrase in question, it is in the nominative case (indicating the subject or predicate nominative - equal to the subject).  But it is the same word for ‘God’, and in both phrases here indicates the One and Only True God.  So the apparent difference is spelling is not because ‘theos’ is a different word than ‘theon’, but is a different form of the identical word.

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Posting this here for @Jesus.defender who posted it in another section:

John 1:1 "Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος  ",  "En archē ēn ho Logos kai ho Logos ēn pros ton Theon kai Theos ēn ho Logos", "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word"

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On 7/2/2018 at 4:19 AM, The Librarian said:

Posting this here for @Jesus.defender who posted it in another section:

John 1:1 "?? ???? ?? ? ????? ??? ? ????? ?? ???? ??? ???? ???? ?? ? ?????  ",  "En arch? ?n ho Logos kai ho Logos ?n pros ton Theon kai Theos ?n ho Logos", "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word"

Yes, sorry, i had browser problems.


However, that wasnt the whole message.


i also asked which translation you used and said that i can post pictures as well.


Also, can you tell me WHICH text the watchtower used for its translation of John 1:1?


I know the answer, i am just hoping you would be an honest jw.





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