“Yahweh” or “Jehovah”?

[Micah Ong]

4 minutes ago, AllenSmith said:

Since you think YHWH is a pagan name disseminated by ignorant Jews to equate him to the pagan god Baal. You have not only blasphemed in the name of the "Lord" but have LOST all sensible argument toward your mental state.

YAHWEH is NOT a HEBREW NAME. It is ARAMAIC, which is closely related to HEBREW.

Aramaic replaced ancient Paleo Hebrew and nearly all the existing manuscripts, including the Masoretic text and the Dead Sea Scrolls, are in the Babylonian Aramaic alphabet.

These four letters YHWH are Babylonian Aramaic. They are NOT SACRED and they are NOT HOLY. They come from the very root of Babel, confusion, and babble and are profane! According to the Jews who teach about these four letter, the god of this name is a bisexual. He is said to be androgynous (being both male and female). He is said to be androgynous (being both male and female). This god is a devil god. He is NOT the TRUE God of the ISRAELITES.

Two Catholic monks invented the guess names of JEHOVAH (1270AD) and YAHWEH (about 1725AD). They should not be in any Bible since they did not exist at the time the Bible was written.

The antichrist Concision (Law keepers, Noahides) who worships the Tetragrammatons’ YHWH, hail the Aramaic alphabet letters of Mystery Babylon to be sacred and holy and the guess names Jehovah and Yahweh derived from them to be the sacred name(s) of God.

[JW Insider]

4 minutes ago, Micah Ong said:

When dissected in the Hebrew, the true definition of Jehovah (Yah-Hovah) is revealed. “Yah” (#H3050) means “god”. “Hovah” (#H1942) translates to “eagerly coveting, falling, desire, ruin, calamity, iniquity, mischief, naughtiness, noisome, perverse, very wickedness.”

That's just evidence that it would probably never have been pronounced that way by people who speak Hebrew. The Watch Tower publications have also sometimes stated a preference for "Yahweh" as the more correct pronunciation, and "Jehovah" only as a more consistent and familiar pronunciation:

*** w02 4/1 p. 5 Search for God With Your Heart and Mind ***
Some scholars prefer the rendering “Yahweh” instead of “Jehovah.” [neutral]

*** w80 2/1 p. 6 Does God Have a Name? ***
“Yahweh” (sometimes “Jahveh”) is simply an attempt to express God’s name in a form nearer to the original Hebrew.

*** w63 11/1 p. 650 par. 5 The Book of “Everlasting Good News” is Beneficial ***
. . . the name Jehovah, or Yahweh, as some critical clergymen prefer to pronounce it today.

*** g99 2/8 p. 8 Identifying the Only True God ***
Today many Hebrew scholars prefer Yahweh as the true pronunciation.

*** g73 3/22 p. 27 “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”? ***
And further, the form “Jehovah” has a currency and familiarity that “Yahweh” does not have. “Yahweh” is obviously a transliteration, whereas “Jehovah” is a translation, and Bible names generally have been translated rather than transliterated.

*** su chap. 1 p. 8 par. 8 What Will Become of Planet Earth? ***
Much of the Bible was written originally in Hebrew, and in the Hebrew Bible text God’s personal name appears nearly 7,000 [6,823] times as a sacred tetragrammaton (יהוה). Some translators render it as Yahweh, but in English the most commonly used form of the name is Jehovah.

*** na p. 9 God’s Name—Its Meaning and Pronunciation ***
Nevertheless, many prefer the pronunciation Jehovah. Why? Because it has a currency and familiarity that Yahweh does not have. Would it not, though, be better to use the form that might be closer to the original pronunciation? Not really, for that is not the custom with Bible names.

*** New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures, 1950, Foreword, p.25 ***

While inclining to view the pronunciation "Yah-weh'"
as the more correct way, we have retained the form
"Jehovah" because of people's familiarity with it since
the 14th century. Moreover, it preserves, equally with
other forms, the four letters of the tetragrammaton
JHVH.

[JW Insider]

Starting with the basics, we have a quote like the following from the source: "The Divine Name Yahweh" already mentioned above. For ease of reading I'll transliterate instead of merely trying to reproduce Hebrew and Greek characters.

THE proper name for God as the covenant God of Israel is represented by the tetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH). The original pronunciation is uncertain. By inference from its contracted forms in compound names -- יו (YW) or יהו (YHW) at the beginning, or יה (YH) or יהו (YHW) at the end¹ -- it appears to have been pronounced Yahweh, and this is confirmed by independent testimony to its transliteration as 'Iabe² or 'Iaoue.³ The tetragrammaton occurs some 5321 times in the OT and a separate short form of the divine name  יה (YH), 25 times.⁴

We count 6,823 instances of YHWH rather than 5,321. But in general we agree with the ideas mentioned. The Foreword in the1950 NWT says that Yahweh is preferred as more accurate, although Jehovah is kept for recognizability and consistency.

The footnotes included in this quote might be good for future reference:

¹For the philological reasons for connecting these forms with יהוה, see J. Olshausen, Lehrb. d. hebr. Sprache, p. 611; B. Stade, Hebrew Grammar, par. 113; S. R. Driver, Studia Biblica, 1, pp. 4-6.

²Pronounced so by the Samaritans according to Theodoret of Cyros. See Quaestio 15 in Exod 7: kalousi de auto Samareitei IABE, 'Ioudaioi de AIA

³So Clement of Alexandria. See Strom. 5, 6, 34: to tetragrammon onoma to musticon ho periekeinto hois monois to aduton basimon en legetai de 'Iaoue.

⁴The forms יהו and יהה (probably erroneous) are found in the Elephantine Papyri.

I should mention that it's likely that in a discussion of this type, that either form, "Yahweh" or "Jehovah," will be used interchangeably. I prefer Jehovah as a common usage pronunciation, but as stated in another recent thread even the Watch Tower publications have said that Yah-weh' is likely more accurate:

*** New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures, 1950, Foreword, p.25 ***

While inclining to view the pronunciation "Yah-weh'"
as the more correct way, we have retained the form
"Jehovah" because of people's familiarity with it since
the 14th century. Moreover, it preserves, equally with
other forms, the four letters of the tetragrammaton
JHVH.

 

 

[bruceq]

   I like to look at it  [since all we have is evidence} that of the telephone game or Chinese whispers. You tell a story and it goes all around until it come back to you all different. However I like to look at the SIMILARITIES rather than the differences. This can be applied to many different topics {like the 500 global flood stories all around the world} but concerning this topic think: Since many of the theophoric names with YHWH contain "Yeho" or Jeho as the beginning of the name and many names with the endings have "Yah" or Jah. and since we don't know the original pronunciation but we do have the results its like the telephone game. So according to that evidence it would be "Yehowah"

   Also some Jewish scholars have said that Yahweh is proper. Now think they don't want to pronounce the CORRECT pronunciation because of their tradition yet they prefer Yahweh? Perhaps because they know it is not even close to the original three syllable name so they say "Go ahead use that form." since it is not correct {although they do not know for sure either way}.

   Of course it depends on what language you use. God's name is three syllables in English but some languages it is only two.{Check out the huge list of Jehovah in 120 languages on the Appendix A5 NWT}.  The important thing is that we USE that name rather than try and hide it as Satan would want to do.

[The Librarian]

 

[The Librarian]

We were proven correct. 

[Witness]

What does the "Aid to Bible Understanding" say about the name, "Jehovah"; which isn't found in the "Insight" volumes?

 

 

[MillennialDawn]

The transliteration "Jehovah" in modern English? Look no further than William Tyndale.

[Arauna]

10 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

a’acov (Jacob) means: “he will follow”.

In Arabic the third person male also starts with Y...... which means he follows, he sings, he eats etc.

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

On 5/27/2017 at 2:26 PM, JW Insider said:

*** na p. 9 God’s Name—Its Meaning and Pronunciation ***
Nevertheless, many prefer the pronunciation Jehovah. Why? Because it has a currency and familiarity that Yahweh does not have. Would it not, though, be better to use the form that might be closer to the original pronunciation? Not really, for that is not the custom with Bible names.

CURRENCY and FAMILIARITY = MAN MADE TRADITION 

CUSTOM = man made tradition.  

And then JW org / GB / Watchtower, pretend to be 'no part of this world' SO WHY FOLLOW TRADITIONS OF MEN.

On 5/27/2017 at 2:26 PM, JW Insider said:

*** New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures, 1950, Foreword, p.25 ***

While inclining to view the pronunciation "Yah-weh'"
as the more correct way, we have retained the form
"Jehovah" because of people's familiarity with it since
the 14th century. Moreover, it preserves, equally with
other forms, the four letters of the tetragrammaton
JHVH.

we have retained the form "Jehovah" because of people's familiarity = MAN MADE TRADITION, or worse.

Moreover, it preserves, equally with other forms, the four letters of the tetragrammaton JHVH.

Now I was taught by JWs that YHWH was the four letters of the tetragrammaton.

So one of them has to be a lie. 

And all the time they admit that 

While inclining to view the pronunciation "Yah-weh'"  as the more correct way,

 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

*** New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures, 1950, Foreword, p.25 ***

While inclining to view the pronunciation "Yah-weh'"  as the more correct way,

But Mr Carroll still advertises the company name. 

[Chioke Lin]

It appears a forgotten post has comeback to life from 2017. The same problem exists today as it did in 2017. Either you believe in the name of God by its language interpretation, or you don't.

If the YHWH is in the form of Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek or any other formed language, the YHWH or YHVH still remains.

Diana Lobel
Department of Religion, Boston University

Abstract
Saadya Gaon translates Ehyeh asher Ehyeh into Arabic as “the eternal (beginningless) that will not cease to be.” Abraham Maimonides makes a conceptual identification between Saadya’s interpretation of Ehyeh asher Ehyeh as eternity and the assertion of his father that Ehyeh asher Ehyeh signifies Necessary Existence. Moses Maimonides draws an allusive relationship between Ehyeh asher Ehyeh and the Tetragrammaton, perhaps hinting at a connection between the Tetragrammaton and the root hayah he is hesitant to openly spell out. As his son suggests, Maimonides hints that Ehyeh asher Ehyeh offers an explication of the Tetragrammaton.

Introduction: the Tetragrammaton and Ehyeh asher Ehyeh Among the mysterious names of God in the Bible, we find the ineffable fourletter name, the Tetragrammaton, Y-H-V-H, described in rabbinic literature as the explicit or articulated name (shem ha-meforash), or the distinctive, particular name (shem ha-meyuḥad). We find many statements in rabbinic literature regarding prohibitions on pronouncing, writing, and erasing the Tetragrammaton.1 In daily Jewish prayer, all blessings address God by this mysterious name, although in place of pronouncing it, Jews from very ancient times substituted the name “My Lord” (Adonai).

2 A second mysterious name of God is Ehyeh asher Ehyeh. This name is paradoxical precisely because it can suggest two opposing connotations, one fixed and the other fluid. The name might suggest that “I am who I am” or “I will be who I will be” in the fixed sense of an eternal, unchanging essence, or it might suggest that “I will be changing and open according to historical circumstances.” A third possibility is that the verse suggests that the infinite, mysterious God cannot be confined to any particular name.

The name will never be erased. The only difference a Christian need to apply it more seriously, is when "lord" or "god" is used for Jesus in some form of Trinity.