By The Librarian
A proclamation, declaring the start of war in Europe, is posted up in Whitehall, in London in 1914. Getty Images
In 1889, the WT said " we present PROOFS that the setting up of the kingdom of God has already? begun...and that 'the battle of the great day of God almighty' (Revelation16:14),which will end in AD1914 with the complete overthrow of the earth's present rulership, is already commenced.".
So, the WT presented "proofs"?
These "proofs" were wrong, so what credibility do they have to "proclaim" anything?
By The Librarian
Austro-Hungarian and Royal Prince of Hungary and of Bohemia, and from 1889 until his death, heir presumptive to the Austro-Hungarian throne. His assassination in Sarajevo precipitated Austria-Hungary's declaration of war against Serbia. This caused countries allied with Austria-Hungary (the Triple Alliance) and countries allied with Serbia (the Triple Entente Powers) to declare war on each other, starting World War I.
The bullet that killed the Archduke; sometimes referred to as "the bullet that started World War I"
Franz Ferdinand ignored warnings that Serbian terrorist group the Black Hand — still reeling from Austrian annexation in 1908 — was plotting to assassinate him during his state visit to Sarajevo.
Plus, the day of his tour was Serbia’s National Day. Sophie pleaded with him not to go.
So why did he? Death was better than humiliation, said Lebow. It was a matter of honor.
Franz Ferdinand and his wife Sophie riding in an open carriage at Sarajevo shortly before their assassination on June 28, 1914. Photo by Henry Guttmann/Getty Images
On June 28, 1914, Franz Ferdinand and Sophie were riding in the third of a seven-car convoy when a bomb bounced off their hood, exploding as the fourth car passed.
At this point, said Lebow, “any security detail worth its salt would have rushed these people out of town immediately.”
But they didn’t. Franz Ferdinand insisted that they pay a visit to an officer wounded in the bombing. On the way, the driver took a wrong turn, and happened to reverse right in front of one of the conspirators, Gavrilo Princip, who, said Lebow, was sipping a drink outside.
Pointing his pistol at the car, Princip fired two shots.
When Sophie was shot alongside Franz Ferdinand in 1914, these were his last words to her, as published in “Archduke of Sarajevo”: “Sopherl, Sopherl, don’t die. Stay alive for the children!”
And the rest, as they say, is history.
By JW Insider
Why another topic about 1914 and 607?
Because we could use a topic where we can all agree a little more easily. Seriously. In this topic, we don't need to worry about whether 607 is correct, or 1914 is correct. No one needs to say why it does or doesn't make sense to them. Let's just see if we can review the possible and probable sources that were influential, and ultimately resulted in 607 and 1914 being accepted as a Bible-based fulfillment of prophecy.
No one needs to jump from another thread about 607 and Biblical evidence over to this one. In fact, I just read a couple of books last night for the first time, and I had some questions that I couldn't find an answer to, and hoped that someone from that other thread, or anyone really, might have run across the resources that might have answered the questions. I'm reading one more book first, and don't think I'll finish it tonight, so consider this topic to be kind of a placeholder for a couple days.
So this is the purpose of the three current threads:
https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/topic/5510-607-bce-is-it-biblically-supported/ a place to discuss mostly the Scriptural evidence for or against the 607 portion of the 1914 doctrine. https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/topic/51655-607-bce-is-there-any-secular-support-for-the-watch-towers-view/ a place to discuss mostly the Secular evidence for or against the 607 portion of the 1914 doctrine. And this current one: a place to discuss the sources that were influential in the WTS accepting the 607 date as part of the 1914 doctrine. One place to start is with a couple sentences in the "Proclaimers" book (next post). I personally intend to avoid a certain book by COJ for this topic, to avoid unnecessary controversy, although anyone should feel free to use any resources from anywhere they wish, as long as it appears to be a statement of fact. Again, this is not about questioning the correctness of the doctrine.
By JW Insider
A recent topic about whether the Watchtower view of 607 BCE is SCRIPTURALLY supported is linked below. This new topic should provide a better place to discuss the SECULAR evidence. I also think it would be useful to discuss the methodology that the Watch Tower Society has historically used to treat this evidence.
I would hope that we can do this without so much side discussions of unrelated topics. To avoid another topic that goes on for 30+ pages where only half of them were on-topic, I would suggest that if we get enough off-topic posts, we merely move them to another more appropriate topic.
The link to the most recent topic on a similar subject is here:
This age-old question has been the subject of children, science and everyone in between since its written origin in ancient Greek history. Depending on what source you read today, they think they’ve nailed down the answer; and it appears to go either way.
Here is an easier question:
What comes first, birth or birth pains? We know this answer, but when it comes to the arrival of God’s Kingdom, the Watchtower does not.
From the NWT: In answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads you, for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet. “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. All these things are a BEGINNING OF PANGS OF DISTRESS. “ Matt 24: 4-8
The Watchtower teaches that God’s Kingdom arrived in 1914 in the heavens. This event is to be interpreted as the beginning of the signs of “pangs of distress”, their choice of translation. Certainly, the world clearly shows distress evident in the wars, famines, pestilences and earthquakes.
The Greek word for Wt.’s use of “pangs of distress” (ōdin) literally means pains related to child birth – labor pains.
This truth is found in Watchtower’s Greek Interlinear, reading word for word:
“All but these (things) beginning of pangs of birth”.
Why isn’t it read this way when translating the scripture on the same page? The Watchtower would be held responsible for explaining how the birth of God’s Kingdom supposedly arrives before birth pains. “The Kingdom is Born in heaven”, according to the “kr”, chapter 2; yet ironically, it appears to be followed by birth pains.
From “What Does the Bible Teach?” - “Just as Jesus predicted, his “presence” as heavenly King has been marked by dramatic world developments—war, famine, earthquakes, pestilences. (Matthew 24:3-8; Luke 21:11) Such developments bear powerful testimony to the fact that 1914 indeed marked the BIRTH of God’s Heavenly Kingdom and the BEGINNING of “the last days” (LABOR PAINS!) of this present wicked system of things.—2 Timothy 3:1-5.
How clever of them to change the “beginning of birth pains” (“pains of distress”) to “the beginning of the last days”!
Concerning the focusing of our eyes on Satan’s world for signs of the coming Kingdom, it is not Satan’s corrupt world that is in labor, it is the promised New Covenant that gives “birth” to God’s Kingdom. This ‘birthing’ is not complete until the full number of Kingdom heirs are sealed in the heavens; but not before they individually experience spiritual “labor/birth pains”, resulting from Satan’s demand to test each one. John 18:36; 17:16; Rev 12:1-6; Luke 22:31; Mark 13:13; John16: 2; Rev 2:9,10,13,17,7,24,26,28; 6:9,11; 3:5,9,12,21,22
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Watchtower 14/1/15 - “Let your Kingdom come”: God’s Kingdom came in 1914 when Jesus was made King in heaven. God’s Kingdom will also come in the future when Jesus destroys the wicked."
Here is where they have derived their thought:
“Therefore, you should pray like this:
Our Father in heaven,
Your name be honored as holy.
Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us today our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And do not bring us into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.
For Yours is the kingdom and the power
and the glory forever. Amen." Matt 6:9-13
Their comment has taken scripture out of context. Can the Kingdom of God arrive via two births at two different times? Obviously, God’s Kingdom has NOT come IN ANY FORM, as Satan is still here.
By Israeli Bar Avaddhon
Everything we read about the "70-Week" prophecy reported in the book "Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy!" (Chapter 11) is worthy of attention and demonstrates how accurate and reliable the word of God is even when pronouncing prophecies very distant in time. The historical accuracy and the numerous Scriptural references that gave weight and authority to the whole speech were also evident. Anyone who approaches the Word of God without preconceptions can not but be struck by this demonstration of power and wisdom on the part of God. The explanation of the 70 weeks is unexceptionable but can be said to be the same as other prophecies? What about those calculations on which many of us have based the hopes of a lifetime and that clashed with the criticism of the majority? We are talking about 1914. Is this also a prophecy of Daniel? Was this also treated with the same marvelous accuracy of the seventy weeks we have just read? Although it may not be easy, we try to be truly objective because understanding or not understanding the prophecy, like the rest of God's Word, can make much difference to our eternal future - John 17: 3; 2 Thessalonians 1: 8 WHAT DID OF 1914? Â The book "Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy" on pages 85 to 97 explains in detail the dream of Nebuchadnezzar and the 7-time prophecy asserting that it indicates the coming of the Kingdom of God in 1914. It would therefore be profitable to take the book and compare it with what will be read below. Does Nebuchadnezzar's dream really prophesy the coming of the Kingdom of God in 1914? Â THAT'S IT? Let's try to examine what is written in the book without prejudices. At a first reading it seems that Jehovah God wanted to give a lesson of humility to Nebuchadnezzar, which happened. The "seven times", at least for him, were seven years and this is confirmed by the whole story. Reading all this without preconceptions, it does not seem that we should look for other explanations more or less hidden. However, let us take the thesis that "the tree indicates a dominion and a sovereignty much greater than those of the king of Babylon. It symbolizes the universal sovereignty of Jehovah, the King of the heavens, especially with respect to the earth ". This means, first of all, that the Kingdom of God is comparing, in a certain way, to the kingdom of Babylon and this strides with many biblical passages describing Babylon as the greatest enemy of God's people. It also means that the "vigilante" (ie an angel of Jehovah) decides to overthrow the Kingdom of God and this is, to say the least, strange. Some will object that we must not look for similarities in every aspect of the prophecy but also decide which part of the prophecy must have a second fulfillment and which one could be arbitrary enough. After all, we have no other scriptural references to show us which details to focus on and which to leave out. So it is being said that the prophecy of the tree applies entirely to Nebuchadnezzar while only a small part would apply to the Kingdom of God. For the prophecy of the "seventy weeks" we did not need to break the prophecy to try to understand who was applied or if it applied to more than one person because the subject was clear and recognizable from the beginning. On the contrary, all the 7-day prophecy is built on a single verse that is what it says ... "The tree grew and became strong, and its same height finally reached the heavens and was visible to the end of the whole earth" (Daniel 4:11). Meanwhile, the writing says that the tree "becomes visible" to the end of the earth and not that "embraces the end of the earth" and the meaning is very different. The aforementioned book says: "the great tree represents the 'domain that reaches the end of the earth', which embraces the whole realm of mankind. Thus it symbolizes the universal sovereignty of Jehovah, particularly in relation to the earth. - Daniel 4:17 ". "Reaching the end of the earth" means that it extends the domain to the end of the earth while "being visible to the end of the earth" means that it is known, famous. AnyhowÂ… is not it a bit fragile, let's say risky, to build a series of prophecies (all linked together) on this single explanation? Note that the specification "particularly in relation to the earth" is due to the fact that the universal sovereignty of Jehovah is, indeed, universal, for which the tree should have been seen not only in the whole earth but throughout the universe. By specifying, instead, "in relation to the earth", we can exclude the skies from the vision and take the application for good. Anyway, we should ask a question. Is the fact that the tree reaches the heavens or the end of the earth itÂ’s a demonstration or even an indication of the fact that we are talking about the Kingdom of God? We always leave the Bible to enlighten us. Notice what Jehovah told Ezekiel in reference to the Pharaoh. Ezekiel 31: 1-8 says Â… Â“In the 11th year, in the third month, on the first day of the month, the word of Jehovah again came to me, saying: Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Â Â“Son of man, say to Phar?aoh king of Egypt and to his hordes, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Â‘Whom are you like in your greatness? Â Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Â There was an AsÂ·syr?iÂ·an, a cedar in Leb?aÂ·non,With beautiful branches like a shady thicket, lofty in stature;Its top was among the clouds. Â Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Â The waters made it grow big, the deep springs of water caused it to grow high. Streams were all around where it was planted;Their channels watered all the trees of the field. Â Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Â That is why it grew taller than all the other trees of the field. Its boughs multiplied, and its branches grew longBecause of the abundant water in its streams. Â Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Â All the birds of the sky nested in its boughs,All the wild animals of the field gave birth under its branches,And all the populous nations were dwelling in its shade. Â Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Â It became majestic in beauty and in the length of its branches,For its roots went down into abundant waters. Â Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Â No other cedars in the garden of God Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. could compare to it. None of the juniper trees had boughs like it,And none of the plane trees could match its branches. No other tree in the garden of God could rival its beautyÂ”. Do we note some similarities with the vision of Nebuchadnezzar? Both are compared to tall and mighty trees. Both reach high heights, up to the sky in fact the expressions "reach the heavens" or "reach the clouds" are equivalent - Compare Job 22:14; Isaiah 14:14; Daniel 7:13 Of both we notice the big difference with the other trees. Of both it is said that all the flying creatures and all the wild beasts find food and shelter. Now if we apply the principle that the tree that "reaches the clouds" must represent the Kingdom of God, then even the Egyptian empire should be an antitype of the Kingdom. Unfortunately, however, in this story there is no mention of the "times" and consequently it is not possible to count anything. If you think it's ridiculous that the Egyptian empire will represent the Kingdom of God, why should it be acceptable to the Babylonian empire? Jehovah goes on to say Â“Â“Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: Â‘Because it Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. became so tall, lifting its top among the clouds, and its heart became arrogant because of its height, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Â I will hand it over to the mighty ruler of the nations. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. He will surely act against it, and I will reject it for its wickednessÂ”. The Pharaoh was exalted, just as Nebuchadnezzar did, and for this reason God decided to humiliate him - Matthew 23:12 Nebuchadnezzar escaped with seven years of madness while Pharaoh's empire was besieged. Also this verse remarks the fact that God takes away and gives "the kingdom to whom he wills" (and in this case He gave the kingdom of Pharaoh to the "despot of nations"). Ezekiel 31: 12-14 continues Â… Â“And foreigners, the most ruthless of the nations, will cut it down, and they will abandon it on the mountains, and its foliage will fall in all the valleys, and its branches will lie broken in all the streams of the land. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. All the peoples of the earth will depart from its shade and abandon it. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Â All the birds of the sky will live on its fallen trunk, and all the wild animals of the field on its branches. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Â This is so that no tree near the waters should grow so tall or lift up its top among the clouds and that no well-watered tree may reach up to them in height. For they will all be given over to death, to the land down below, along with the sons of mankind, who are going down into the pit.Â’. Even this tree is cut down and humiliated (Jehovah will do this through the king of Babylon). Because of the many similarities with the kingdom of Egypt, are we really certain that the tree that "reached the heavens" refers to the Kingdom of God? Â When we talk about 1914, are we really like the Bereans? Or are we "Bereans" only when we have to refute the doctrines of Christianity? Â There is another interesting detail that should make us reflect. The Bible compares the heavens to governments, be they human or celestial. Applying this concept to the tree that reaches the heavens and whose other trees do not stand comparison with it, it would simply mean that this tree has the kingdom over the other (smaller) kingdoms and of Babylon the Great is said to have " the kingdom over the kings of the earth "- Revelation 17:18 The only legitimate parallel that you can do with Babylon, without fear of taking corners, is related to Babylon the Great because it is the parallelism that makes the Bible. Indeed, all the world empires mentioned in the Scriptures had, for a time, the kingdom over the other kingdoms. Cyrus, in fact, said of himself ... "I am Cyrus, king of the world, great king, legitimate king, king of Babylon, king of Sumer and Akkad, king of the four extremities (of the earth), son of Cambyses (Ka-am -bu-zi-ia), great king, king of Anzan, nephew of Cyrus ,. . . descendant of Teispe,. . . of a family (that) has always reigned ". (Ancient Near Eastern Texts, edited by J. B. Pritchard, 1974, p.37). Undoubtedly humility was not a characteristic appreciated by the Persians as well as by the Babylonians but in fact the kingdom had power over the other known kingdoms (so to be called "king of the four ends of the earth") and so it could be said that its height had reached the heavens and was visible or known to the ends of the earth. In the story of Ezekiel and in that of Daniel there is no reference, just anyone, to the Kingdom of God, on the contrary ... both accounts mention a judgment from God on enemy nations, proud and violent. Any chronological calculation should respect the subject in being and in fact this part of the Scripture is very different from what is said about the "seventy weeks" - Daniel 9: 24-27 In the account of Daniel chapter 9, one speaks clearly of the Messiah (see Daniel 9:25) and it is not necessary to read what is not written. Anyone who wanted to be polemical could discuss the start date from which to count the "weeks" or even the adduct method * (one day for a year) but certainly we can not discuss the subject in existence (the Messiah). It could also be absurd to discuss who the Messiah really was (which Jews are still discussing) but certainly we can not argue that Daniel chapter 9 speaks of the arrival of the Messiah! Instead, Daniel chapter 4 speaks of Nebuchadnezzar and his kingdom, while all the "understanding" concerning the Kingdom of God is built on four lines in the book "Pay attention to Daniel's prophecies!" That read: "But the great tree represents the domain that reaches the end of the earth, which embraces the entire kingdom of mankind. Thus it symbolizes the universal sovereignty of Jehovah, particularly in relation to the earth. - Daniel 4:17 "(chapter 6, page 87 of the Italian edition of the book). Does not this seem like a very firm statement with a very weak base? Let us try not to tell Daniel 4:17 what he does not really say because it is enough to know the basic rules of grammar so as not to be distracted by the subject. The subject is Nebuchadnezzar and God makes him understand that, because of the fact that he is exalted, he would have taken away his kingdom and given it to whoever He had wanted (exactly as He did to Pharaoh). In practice the one who really rules is the Creator and the other kingdoms exist only because He allows it - Compare Romans 13: 1 So there is no reason to believe that the tree (that is, one of the many governments that Jehovah has permitted in the history of mankind), actually represents the Kingdom of God. If someone wants to imply that the fact that God mentions His dominion is indicative that the tree itself represents His dominion (and is an incredible semantic acrobatics) then we can take the story reported in 2 Kings 19: 14-19 and do it same reasoning. Â“HezÂ·eÂ·ki?ah took the letters out of the hand of the messengers and read them. HezÂ·eÂ·ki?ah then went up to the house of Jehovah and spread them Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. out before Jehovah. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Â And HezÂ·eÂ·ki?ah began to pray Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. before Jehovah and say: Â“O Jehovah the God of Israel, sitting enthroned above Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. the cherubs, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. you alone are the true God of all the kingdoms of the earth. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. You made the heavens and the earth. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Â Incline your ear, O Jehovah, and hear! Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Open your eyes, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. O Jehovah, and see! Hear the words that SenÂ·nach?erÂ·ib has sent to taunt the living God. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Â It is a fact, O Jehovah, that the kings of AsÂ·syr?iÂ·a have devastated the nations and their lands. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Â And they have thrown their gods into the fire, because they were not gods Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. but the work of human hands, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. wood and stone. That is why they could destroy them. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Â But now, O Jehovah our God, please save us out of his hand, so that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that you alone are God, O Jehovah.Â” Hezekiah knew very well that Jehovah was "the true God of all the kingdoms of the earth" and he prayed that Sennacherib would be stopped in his intent to destroy Jerusalem. We know very well what was the answer of Isaiah which last part reads Â… Â“Because your rage against me Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. and your roaring have reached my ears. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. So I will put my hook in your nose and my bridle Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. between your lips,And I will lead you back the way you came.Â” - 2 Kings 19:28 If we did the same reasoning as for chapter 4 of Daniel, then we might suppose that the "reign of Sennacherib" was also an antitype of the kingdom of God because he too had to learn (at his own expense) that Jehovah is "the true God of all. the kingdoms of the earth "or, in other words, "dominates over all mankind ". Unfortunately, even in this story there are no numbers, days, weeks or months to be calculated and therefore no reason to read "the coming of the kingdom of God" even where no mention is made of it. Is it possible that the strong desire to see the prophecies fulfill has influenced the intention and therefore pushed to read what was not actually written? This means that if you really want to see a second fulfillment of the story reported in Daniel chapter 4, you should respect the subject in being and that is Babylon. It is likely that the story of Daniel is simply telling the humiliation of Nebuchadnezzar and that the "seven times" mean only seven years but we can not be categorical. In this regard it is useful to reflect on the fact that even the humiliation of the Pharaoh, reported in Ezekiel, could have a second fulfillment as Jehovah says that he will "shake the nations" and this could be a reference to the Armageddon war. Â So, without fixing ourselves too much with a specific date, in case the story of Daniel wanted to show us a second fulfillment of the prophecy, the report is actually saying: "Babylon will fall, will remain inactive for seven times and then rise again". This can only bring our mind back to the last mention that the Bible makes of Babylon - Revelation 17:5 The clues about Babylon the Great brought us to the nation of Israel so the question we should ask ourselves is ... "From what year we should start counting the 2520 years (ie 360 * 7) until we see the rebirth (if any) of Babylon? " From the story of Daniel the possible dates from which to count the seven times are two: 1) Since Nebuchadnezzar has had the vision or has fallen into "misfortune" (in fact, Daniel says "the tree is you" - Daniel 4: 20-22) 2) From the death of Nebuchadnezzar (if Nebuchadnezzar represents the kingdom of Babylon, his death is the moment when the tree is "knocked down" but it is to be noted that there is no reference to this in the narration of Daniel who, indeed, he says that the kingdom would be assured - Daniel 4:26) As far as the first hypothesis is concerned, it is impossible to have an accurate date because neither the Bible nor the secular history tells us in which year Nebuchadnezzar was expelled from his kingdom. This happened, obviously, after 597 a.E.V. (year in which Nebuchadnezzar brings the first Jewish prisoners to Babylon according to the secular date, there is a difference of 20 years with that of the slave who, in fact, puts 617 a.E.V.) and within 570 a.E.V. (if Nebuchadnezzar dies in 562 BCE - always according to the secular date - and the period of "captivity" lasts 7 years and the kingdom is returned to him presumed to have reigned for at least a year, 570 is the last useful year) . However in the first four chapters of Daniel we mention Daniel, Sadrac, Mesac and Abednego first as children (Daniel 1: 3, 4) and later as robust men (Daniel 3:12, 27) and all this before Nebuchadnezzar has the famous dream tree. This means that, from their deportation until the day when the king erected the image of gold, at least 15, 20 years passed. So if the Jews came to Babylon in 597 a.E.V. but they pass 20 years before the construction of the golden idol and having taken for good the secular date (562 a.E.V) it is possible to restrict the period from 577 a.E.V. up to 570 a.E.V. Obviously they are only estimates but the important date is the maximum time limit (570 a.E.V) so if from the deportation until the construction of the image had passed 15 years instead of 20, the starting date would be 582 a.E.V. but the last possible useful date would always be 570 a.E.V. The eventual rebirth of Babylon, if Daniel is talking about this, would have happened between 1943 E.V. (2520-577) and 1950 E.V. (2520-570). To reinforce this hypothesis there would also be the fact that the narration of his expulsion is the last story reported to Nebuchadnezzar. Few verses later, in fact, we no longer speak of him but of Baldassarre (Daniel chapter 5). It is reasonable to conclude, therefore, that Nebuchadnezzar had the vision in the last years, perhaps during the last decade of his reign. Â The second hypothesis concerns the death of Nebuchadnezzar, which takes place, according to the secular sources, in 562 a.E.V. According to the slave, in 582 a.E.V. (see the book "Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy" chapter 7, page 99). Counting 2520 years we arrive at 1958 E.V. in the first case and to 1938 E.V. in the second case. Â Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. "Babylon will fall, remain inactive for seven times and then rise again" Â What does recent history tell us? If, as we have seen, Babylon the Great is the nation of Israel, this would corroborate the first hypothesis. The first hypothesis places the rebirth of Babylon between 1943 and 1950. Indeed, the "resurrection" of Israel took place in May 1948. Â Knowing the fixation of human beings for dates and calculations, however, it is prudent to pay attention to the most important things. The secular dates can not be secure, based on findings and comparisons more or less incomplete, and certainly we can not base our faith on this - 2 Corinthians 5: 7 What would happen if the 597 a.E.V., as well as 607 or 537 or any other date on which we based much of the biblical prophecies (without there being a real reason for doing so) tomorrow proved to be completely wrong? The consequences could be very serious and not just from a human point of view - Amos 3: 1, 2 We must not take Jehovah's mercy for granted, so we must be cautious in our statements. Since we have no certainty that the "seven times" do not simply represent seven years, we should not lose ourselves in these speculations. Is not the most important thing to understand the identity of Babylon the Great? Those who have truly studied the Bible without preconceptions have understood that Babylon the Great is indeed Israel and this has understood it regardless of dates and calculations. This is a crucial aspect of prophecy because it is the clues that guide us in the subjects and times in which we are living, such as road signs, and not the calculations - Compare Matthew 24:32, 33 and 2 Timothy 3: 1-5 and do a contrast with Matthew 24:36 There is no temporal indication for the killing of the two clothed witnesses (see Revelation chapter 11) but we know that they are revealed at the end of the war. We know that the city called "Sodom and Egypt" is Babylon the Great, hence Israel, and as a result we also know which nation and events to watch carefully. That the Bible actually prophesises the year of his "resurrection" or not, is certainly interesting but not fundamental for those who believe that it is indeed the inspired Word of God. Fundamental, if anything, will be "get out of it" when the UN prepares to destroy it. Â * However the Bible confirms the "one day for a year" method and also that this was the same method used by God's people - Ezekiel 4: 6; Luke 3:15 ** The Bible allows us to be "fully competent" then all the speeches made on 607 a.E.V. pro and contra, they are absolutely useless. Nebuchadnezzar's dream, as we have seen, has nothing to do with the Kingdom of God Â Â
By Israeli Bar Avaddhon
Así mismo tambiÃ©n, ustedes, cuando vean todas estas cosas, sepan que Ã©l estÃ¡ cerca, a las puertas. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. En verdad les digo que de ningÃºn modo pasarÃ¡ esta generaciÃ³n Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. hasta que sucedan todas estas cosas Â– Mateo 24:33, 34 Â
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Â¿A quÃ© generaciÃ³n se refiriÃ³ el SeÃ±or cuando dijo las palabras de arriba? Responder esta pregunta, que se ha vuelto casi obsesivo en los Ãºltimos aÃ±os, es ciertamente importante porque es parte de esas profecÃas que podrÃan cambiar, y mucho, nuestra situaciÃ³n y nuestro punto de vista. Es cierto que, a este respecto, los rÃos de palabras se han desperdiciado y, en la mayorÃa de los casos, se ha dicho mÃ¡s de lo necesario. Hasta el punto de que hoy existe incluso cierta vergÃ¼enza al tener que examinar esta parte de la Palabra de Dios. VergÃ¼enza de que no tenemos con otras escrituras. Hoy, frente a una persona que nos pide explicaciones sobre esta afirmaciÃ³n del SeÃ±or, debemos poner nuestra mano en una explicaciÃ³n abstrusa de una "generaciÃ³n mÃºltiple" fantasma ... osea hablar de grupos de personas (y perÃodos) que se reÃºnen con otros grupos de personas ... Y este ni siquiera serÃa el mayor problema si no fuera que esta es solo otra versiÃ³n / modificaciÃ³n del significado de "generaciÃ³n" (y de lo que hemos enseÃ±ado en el pasado). Hemos llegado a tal situaciÃ³n que, es inÃºtil negarlo, parece ser casi culpa del SeÃ±or por no ser mÃ¡s preciso. Tal vez sea mÃ¡s fÃ¡cil para alguien pensar que el SeÃ±or fue deliberadamente enigmÃ¡tico en lugar de volver a discutir el aÃ±o inicial de esa generaciÃ³n. Sin embargo, si leemos solo lo que estÃ¡ escrito, parece un discurso simple y directo. La generaciÃ³n que habrÃa visto el comienzo de la guerra y otros aspectos del signo no habrÃa pasado en absoluto. Si por error leemos solo lo que estÃ¡ escrito, serÃa evidente que esa "generaciÃ³n" no puede ser la de 1914 cualquier extensiÃ³n que quisiÃ©ramos atacar. Â Sin esta premisa, sin embargo, las palabras del SeÃ±or permanecen y al ser parte de la Palabra de Dios debemos examinarlas sin prejuicios, olvidando nuestro pasado. La pregunta, despuÃ©s de todo, es muy simple. Â¿QuÃ© perÃodo de tiempo habrÃa abrazado la seÃ±al que los cristianos reconocerÃan y por quÃ© deberÃan "levantar la cabeza"? - Lucas 21:28 Como hemos visto en el estudio del libro Apocalipsis, despuÃ©s de las advertencias a las siete congregaciones y la apertura de los siete sellos, en el capÃtulo ocho comienzan las explosiones de trompetas. Estas explosiones de trompetas son mensajes de juicio y juicios verdaderos contra el mundo de SatanÃ¡s. Â En el capÃtulo nueve de Apocalipsis hablamos de las Ãºltimas tres trompetas que son diferentes de las anteriores porque incluyen los "ay" declarados por el Ã¡guila. Entendemos que entre estos ay hay guerra, de hecho los caballos o los dos ejÃ©rcitos de caballerÃa representan la guerra. Vamos a detenernos por un momento. El SeÃ±or, en su descripciÃ³n de los Ãºltimos dÃas, mencionÃ³ la guerra como una de esas cosas que sus seguidores podÃan ver y entender. Entonces Ã©l habla de la tribulaciÃ³n y la persecuciÃ³n, etc. La guerra descrita en Apocalipsis es la referida por JesÃºs? Realmente parece asÃ porque estos eventos nos llevan a los capÃtulos once, doce y trece del escenario de Apocalipsis. Lo que sea que haya sucedido antes, o la interpretaciÃ³n que quieras dar a estos ejÃ©rcitos de caballerÃa, el hecho es que desde el capÃtulo trece en adelante estÃ¡ claro que solo hay un poder dominante - Apocalipsis 13: 2 Para haber permanecido solo un poder (entre otras cosas, herido hasta la muerte), algo debe haber sucedido en los capÃtulos anteriores, Â¿no es asÃ? Si comparamos esto con Daniel 11:40, entendemos que ese "algo" tiene que ver con la guerra: lo Ãºnico que podrÃa justificar la desapariciÃ³n del rey antagonista y una sola bestia a la que SatanÃ¡s le da todo su dominio, trono y las autoridades. Entonces podemos suponer que cuando Cristo dijo que escucharÃan de guerras y noticias de guerras, refiriÃ©ndose a los Ãºltimos dÃas, se referÃa a esta gran guerra. No sabemos cuÃ¡ndo esta guerra estallarÃ¡ ni cuÃ¡nto tiempo hubiera durado, pero comparando otras escrituras relacionadas con este perÃodo de tiempo, siempre en el libro de Daniel, podemos entender los lÃmites de esta generaciÃ³n. En el capÃtulo ocho de Daniel, hemos visto que el "cuerno pequeÃ±o" que se habrÃa vuelto muy grande no puede ser mÃ¡s que el rey del norte, que habrÃa hecho caer a tres reyes. Â Entre otras cosas, antes de la batalla con su enemigo histÃ³rico, este rey suprimirÃa gradualmente el sacrificio continuo. Como se especifica en un artÃculo anterior, no podemos saber si lo que sucediÃ³ el 20 de abril en Rusia es en realidad el evento descrito en Daniel. PodrÃa revelarse una burbuja de jabÃ³n y, por lo tanto, la supresiÃ³n del sacrificio continuo podrÃa "posponerse" a otra fecha, tal vez en un aÃ±o, entre cinco, entre diez ... Hasta que lo veamos, no lo sabremos. Esto hace que sea imposible, al menos por ahora, establecer la fecha de inicio de la generaciÃ³n a la que se refiriÃ³ el SeÃ±or, pero es absolutamente independiente al establecer la duraciÃ³n de la generaciÃ³n a la que se refiere. Sabemos que cuando el rey del norte comience a suprimir el sacrificio constante hasta que el templo se purifique (lo que significa que JehovÃ¡ permite que esta guerra tambiÃ©n purifique a su pueblo), pasarÃ¡n las 2300 tardes y maÃ±anas. Esto significa un poco mÃ¡s de seis aÃ±os. Al final (o en medio del) de este perÃodo comenzarÃ¡n a predicar a los dos testigos vestidos (Apocalipsis 11: 1, 2) que harÃ¡n esto por 1260 dÃas, o sea, aproximadamente tres aÃ±os y medio. Desde que llegamos a la "condiciÃ³n correcta" del Templo, un evento descrito en el capÃtulo 11 de Apocalipsis y luego siguiendo las primeras seis trompetas, sabemos que la guerra entre el norte y el sur debe entrar en este perÃodo. Poco despuÃ©s del asesinato de los dos testigos y su resurrecciÃ³n, "la guerra estalla en el cielo", que, como hemos visto al comparar Apocalipsis con Daniel 12:11, durarÃ¡ treinta dÃas o menos. Entonces aparece el falso profeta, que pisotearÃ¡ al pueblo de Dios por cuarenta y dos meses. Entonces, desde la predicaciÃ³n de los dos testigos hasta la destrucciÃ³n del falso profeta, pasan cerca de siete aÃ±os. Si agregamos, a estas, las 2300 tardes y maÃ±anas previas, o poco mÃ¡s de seis aÃ±os, aquÃ tenemos toda la generaciÃ³n que habrÃa visto los signos del fin del sistema de cosas y que "no habrÃa pasado para nada". Desde el comienzo de la RevelaciÃ³n hasta el estallido de la guerra de ArmagedÃ³n, pasan alrededor de 13/14 aÃ±os. Â¿No parece decididamente mÃ¡s lÃ³gico llevar estos 14 aÃ±os en una sola generaciÃ³n y decir "no pasarÃ¡ para nada"? No necesitamos forzar el significado de la palabra generaciÃ³n, preguntarnos quÃ© quiere decir realmente el SeÃ±or, preguntar cuÃ¡nto puede durar una generaciÃ³n, si hay mÃ¡s de un centenar todavÃa vivo o cuÃ¡ntos significados puede tener la palabra "generaciÃ³n" en griego. etc etc ... Entendiendo que los eventos descritos en Mateo como en otros libros bÃblicos ocurrirÃan durante 13/14 aÃ±os (puede ser menos, como veremos en un articulo futuro per no mas) entonces simplemente podemos leer lo que estÃ¡ escrito. Tratamos? "Entonces tÃº tambiÃ©n, cuando ves todas estas cosas, sabes que Ã©l estÃ¡ cerca, en las puertas, realmente te digo que esta generaciÃ³n no pasarÃ¡ en absoluto hasta que todas estas cosas hayan sucedido" - Mateo 24:33, 34
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Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Â¿Logramos a identificar las cosas mÃ¡s importantes? Â Estudiando la Palabra de Dios puede pasar de enfrentar las propias convicciones. Algunas de estas estÃ¡n tan arraigadas y se consideran asÃ¬ importantes que ponerlas en tela de juicio puede ser un verdadero desafÃo. TambiÃ©n debemos ser honestos y darnos cuenta de que hay cosas mÃ¡s importantes y otras menos importantes. Si hay doctrinas primarias, es evidente que hay tambiÃ©n las segundarias. Algunas cosas simplemente pueden ser "mejoras", mientras que otras son verdaderos cambios. Y luego estÃ¡n aquellas cosas que se consideran doctrinas primarias solo en nuestra cabeza. El 1914 ha sido ridÃculamente elevado a doctrina primaria, pero no lo es en absoluto y nunca lo fue independientemente de que haya sida correcta. Â¿CÃ³mo podemos decirlo? El cristiano debe mantener vivo el sentido de urgencia (Apocalipsis 16:15) y mantenerse separado de este mundo. No hay lÃmite de tiempo, no hay ninguna fecha de caducidad en esto - Mateo 24:13 Si la Biblia hubiera indicado 1914, 1934, 1984 o 2017 ... Â¿habrÃa afectado estas verdades? Â¿HabrÃa dicho Ã©l ... "Tienes que empezar a estar alerta desde 1984 en adelante"? Â¿O habrÃa dicho: "Debes mantenerte intachable del mundo solo a partir de esta fecha"? Y cualquier fecha, ademÃ¡s, afecta nuestra relaciÃ³n con Ã©l? Si lo hace, ciertamente no lo hace de manera positiva. Si hubiera vivido en 1800 y hubiera escuchado que la presencia de Cristo habrÃa comenzado no antes de 1914, probablemente me habrÃa relajado hasta el Ãºltimo momento (los seres humanos somos egoÃstas y calculadores) *. Por el contrario podrÃa empezar hacer el "pionere" sÃ³lo para evitar un posible castigo sabiendo que "desde un cierto punto en adelante," comenzÃ³ su inspecciÃ³n. Lo hemos elevado a una doctrina primaria, tanto que solo pensar en volver a discutirla nos cataloga inmediatamente como apÃ³statas, porque en esta fecha se ha enfocado una buena parte de la credibilidad de la organizaciÃ³n y, tambiÃ©n en esta fecha, otras fechas y profecÃas han sido "pegadas" (como 1918 y 1919 debe ser, secuencialmente, la fecha del final de la "guerra en el cielo", la fecha del comienzo de la resurrecciÃ³n espiritual y otras cosas). Intentemos hacer una distinciÃ³n. Lo que es importante para nosotros no es necesariamente para JehovÃ¡ Dios - Salmo 55: 8, 9 Seguramente mÃ¡s importante que "1914" es aquel relativo a Babilonia la Grande porque identificar correctamente a la inmensa prostituta puede hacer (y harÃ¡) la diferencia entre la vida y la muerte - compÃ¡rese con Apocalipsis 18: 4. No entender 1914 (si alguna vez se habÃa correcto) pero permanecendo aÃºn vigilante, inmaculado y activo en la predicaciÃ²n, no marcarÃa la diferencia - Mateo 25:22, 23 Si estuviÃ©ramos "escandalizados" por el artÃculo de cronologÃa, tal vez deberÃamos simplemente cambiar la mentalidad. La verdad de la Palabra de Dios debe tener prioridad sobre todas nuestras convicciones, incluso las mÃ¡s arraigadas - Juan 17:17; Hebreos 4:12 Por supuesto, debe haber sido impactante para el pueblo judÃo enterarse de que ya no eran la raza elegida por Dios y que no habÃan entendido o dado importancia a algunas verdades fundamentales. Le habÃan dado al Templo una importancia exagerada (pensando que los protegerÃa como una especie de amuleto) pero no entendÃan ciertos aspectos fundamentales de la venida del MesÃas. Esta "secta" llamada cristianos tuvo que ser muy molesta. Los mismos cristianos de origen judÃo se enfrentaron a un desafÃo cuando vieron que Dios aceptaba personas de otras naciones. Sin embargo, gracias a la bondad inmerecida de Dios, las congregaciones aumentaron en nÃºmero y se hicieron firmes en la fe. Fundamental siempre fue la misma cosa: el amor a la Palabra de Dios - Juan 8:31, 32 Pronto habrÃ¡ otro artÃculo que tocarÃ¡ (esta vez, realmente) una doctrina primaria. Â¿Seremos lo suficientemente honestos para cuestionarnos? Con la Palabra de Dios en la mano ... Â¿nos tomaremos la molestia de leer las Escrituras enumeradas y meditar sobre ellas? Esto demostrarÃ¡ si realmente amamos la Palabra de Dios por encima de nuestra posiciÃ³n y cualquier otra cosa - Salmo 119: 165 Â * Sin embargo, en aquellos dÃas se pensÃ³ que el ArmagedÃ³n iba a estallar en 1914, mientras que paurusia habÃa empezado antes.
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La cronologia, lÂ’interpretazione, la speculazione
Â ATTENZIONE La trattazione che segue ridiscuterÃ uno dei "capisaldi" dell'intendimento dello schiavo fedele e discreto. Dal momento che non Ã¨ intenzione dell'autore creare una pietra d'inciampo per nessuno, tantomeno creare divisioni o sette, il lettore Ã¨ invitato a valutare attentamente se desidera proseguire nella lettura. Proseguire o non proseguire, quindi, sarÃ soltanto una decisione personale. Una cosa ancora migliore che potremmo fare tutti: aprire la Bibbia e confrontare tutte le scritture riportate o citate e valutare, in coscienza, se gli argomenti trattati sono logici e coerenti con la Parola di Dio Â Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Â Â Â Tutto quello che abbiamo letto in merito alla profezia delle "70 settimane" riportato nel libro "Prestate attenzione alle profezie di Daniele!" (Capitolo 11) Ã¨ meritevole di attenzione e dimostra quanto la parola di Dio sia precisa e affidabile anche quando pronuncia profezie molto distanti nel tempo. EÂ’ stata anche evidente lÂ’accuratezza storica e i numerosi riferimenti scritturali che hanno dato peso e autorevolezza a tutto il discorso. Chiunque si avvicini alla Parola di Dio senza preconcetti non puÃ² che rimanere colpito da tale dimostrazione di potenza e sapienza da parte di Dio. La spiegazione delle 70 settimane Ã¨ ineccepibile ma puÃ² dirsi lo stesso di altre profezie? Che dire di quei calcoli su cui molti di noi hanno basato le speranze di una vita e che si sono scontrati con le critiche della maggioranza? Stiamo parlando del 1914. Anche questa Ã¨ una profezia di Daniele? Anche questa Ã¨ stata trattata con la stessa meravigliosa accuratezza delle settanta settimane di cui abbiamo appena letto? Anche se puÃ² non essere facile, cerchiamo di essere veramente obiettivi perchÃ© comprendere o non comprendere la Profezia, come il resto della Parola di Dio, puÃ² fare molta differenza per il nostro futuro eterno Â– Giovanni 17:3; 2 Tessalonicesi 1:8 Â CHE DIRE DEL 1914? Â Il libro Â“prestate attenzione alle profezie di DanieleÂ” alle pagine da 85 a 97 spiega nei dettagli il sogno di Nabucodonosor e la profezia dei 7 tempi asserendo che essa indichi la venuta del Regno di Dio nel 1914.
Sarebbe profittevole, dunque, prendere il libro e confrontare con ciÃ² che si leggerÃ di seguito.
Il sogno di Nabucodonosor profetizza davvero la venuta del Regno di Dio nel 1914? Â EÂ’ PROPRIO COSIÂ’? Proviamo ad esaminare ciÃ² che c'Ã¨ scritto nel libro senza pregiudizi. Ad una prima lettura sembra che Geova Dio abbia voluto dare una lezione di umiltÃ a Nabucodonosor, cosa che avvenne. I Â“sette tempiÂ”, almeno per lui, furono sette anni e questo Ã¨ confermato da tutto il racconto. Leggendo tutto questo senza preconcetti, non sembra che si debbano cercare altre spiegazioni piÃ¹ o meno nascoste. Comunque prendiamo per buona la tesi secondo cui Â“lÂ’albero indica un dominio e una sovranitÃ molto maggiori di quelli del re di Babilonia. Simboleggia la sovranitÃ universale di Geova, il Re dei cieli, specie rispetto alla terraÂ”. Questo significa, innanzitutto, che il Regno di Dio si stia paragonando, in un certo qual modo, al regno di Babilonia e questo stride con molti passi biblici che descrivono Babilonia come la piÃ¹ grande nemica del popolo di Dio. Significa anche che il Â“vigilanteÂ” (cioÃ¨ un angelo di Geova) decide di abbattere il Regno di Dio e questo Ã¨, a dir poco, strano. Qualcuno obietterÃ che non bisogna cercare similitudini in ogni aspetto della profezia ma anche decidere quale parte della profezia deve avere un secondo adempimento e quale no potrebbe essere abbastanza arbitrario. In fondo non abbiamo altri riferimenti scritturali che ci indichino su quali particolari concentrarci e quali tralasciare. Quindi si sta dicendo che la profezia dellÂ’albero si applica interamente a Nabucodonosor mentre solo una piccola parte si applicherebbe al Regno di Dio. Per la profezia delle Â“settanta settimaneÂ” non abbiamo avuto bisogno di spezzettare la profezia per cercare di capire a chi si applicasse o se si applicasse a piÃ¹ di una persona perchÃ© il soggetto Ã¨ stato chiaro e riconoscibile fin dallÂ’inizio. Tutta la profezia dei 7 tempi, invece, viene edificata su un unico versetto che Ã¨ quello che dice... Â“LÂ’albero crebbe e divenne forte, e la sua medesima altezza raggiunse infine i cieli ed era visibile sino allÂ’estremitÃ dellÂ’intera terraÂ” (Daniele 4:11) Il libro menzionato dice: Â“il grande albero rappresenta il Â‘dominio che raggiunge lÂ’estremitÃ della terraÂ’, che abbraccia lÂ’intero regno del genere umano. PerciÃ² simboleggia la sovranitÃ universale di Geova, particolarmente in relazione alla terra. Â—Â Daniele 4:17Â”. Non Ã¨ un poÂ’ fragile, diciamo rischioso, edificare una serie di profezie (tutte collegate tra loro) su questÂ’unica spiegazione? Notate che la specificazione Â“particolarmente in relazione alla terraÂ” Ã¨ dovuta al fatto che la sovranitÃ universale di Geova Ã¨, appunto, universale, per cui lÂ’albero si sarebbe dovuto vedere non solo in tutta la terra ma in tutto lÂ’universo. Specificando, invece, Â“in relazione alla terraÂ”, possiamo escludere i cieli dalla visione e prendere per buona lÂ’applicazione. Comunque dovremmo farci una domanda. Il fatto che lÂ’albero raggiunga i cieli o lÂ’estremitÃ della terra Ã¨ una dimostrazione o anche solo unÂ’indicazione del fatto che si stia parlando del Regno di Dio? Lasciamo sempre che sia la Bibbia ad illuminarci. Notiamo cosa disse Geova ad Ezechiele in riferimento al Faraone. Ezechiele 31:1-8 dice... Â“E avvenne ancora che nellÂ’undicesimo anno, nel terzo [mese], il primo [giorno] del mese, la parola di Geova mi fu rivolta, dicendo:?Â“Figlio dellÂ’uomo, diÂ’ a Faraone re dÂ’Egitto e alla sua folla: Â“Â‘A chi somigli nella tua grandezza? Ecco, un assiro, un cedro del Libano, dai bei rami, con folte ramificazioni ombrose, e di altezza elevata, tanto che la sua cima era fra le nubi. Le acque lo fecero crescere; le acque dellÂ’abisso lo fecero divenire alto. Con le loro correnti andavano tuttÂ’intorno al luogo dovÂ’era piantato; e mandavano i loro canali a tutti gli alberi del campo. PerciÃ² si fece piÃ¹ elevato in altezza di tutti gli [altri] alberi del campo. Â“Â‘E i suoi rami si moltiplicavano, e i suoi ramoscelli continuarono ad allungarsi a causa della molta acqua nei suoi corsi dÂ’acqua.?Sui suoi rami fecero i loro nidi tutte le creature volatili dei cieli, e sotto i suoi ramoscelli partorirono tutte le bestie selvagge del campo, e alla sua ombra dimoravano tutte le popolose nazioni. E divenne bello nella sua grandezza, nella lunghezza del suo fogliame, poichÃ© il suo sistema di radici era su molte acque.?[Altri] cedri non lo uguagliavano nel giardino di Dio. In quanto ai ginepri, non avevano alcuna somiglianza con i suoi rami. E i platani stessi non gli erano simili nei ramoscelli. Nessun [altro] albero del giardino di Dio gli somigliava per bellezzaÂ”. Notiamo qualche similitudine con la visione di Nabucodonosor? Entrambi sono paragonati ad alti e possenti alberi. Entrambi raggiungono altezze elevate, fino al cielo infatti le espressioni Â“raggiungere i cieliÂ” o Â“raggiungere le nubiÂ” sono equivalenti Â– Confronta Giobbe 22:14; Isaia 14:14; Daniele 7:13 Di entrambi si nota la grande differenza con gli altri alberi. Di entrambi si dice che tutte le creature volatili e tutte le bestie selvagge trovano cibo e riparo. Ora, se applicassimo il principio secondo cui lÂ’albero che Â“raggiunge le nubiÂ” deve raffigurare il Regno di Dio, allora anche lÂ’impero Egiziano dovrebbe essere un antitipo del Regno. Purtroppo, perÃ², in questo racconto non si fa alcuna menzione dei Â“tempiÂ” e di conseguenza non Ã¨ possibile contare alcunchÃ©. Se pensate che sia ridicolo pensare che lÂ’impero egiziano possa raffigurare il Regno di Dio, perchÃ© dovrebbe essere accettabile lÂ’impero Babilonese? Â Geova continua dicendo Â“Per la ragione che divenisti di altezza elevata, cosÃ¬ che esso mise la sua cima perfino tra le nubi e il suo cuore si esaltÃ² a causa della sua altezza,?anchÂ’io lo darÃ² in mano al despota delle nazioniÂ” Â– Ezechiele 31:10, 11 Il Faraone si esaltÃ², esattamente come fece Nabucodonosor, e per questo motivo Dio decise di umiliarlo Â– Matteo 23:12 Nabucodonosor se la cavÃ² con sette anni di pazzia mentre lÂ’impero di Faraone venne assediato. Anche questo versetto rimarca il fatto che Dio toglie e da Â“il regno a chi vuoleÂ” (e in questo caso Egli diede il regno di Faraone al Â“despota delle nazioniÂ”). Ezechiele 31:12-14 prosegue... Â“Ed estranei, i tiranni delle nazioni, lo taglieranno, e il popolo lÂ’abbandonerÃ sui monti; e il suo fogliame certamente cadrÃ in tutte le valli, e i suoi rami si romperanno fra tutti i letti dei corsi dÂ’acqua della terra. E tutti i popoli della terra scenderanno dalla sua ombra e lÂ’abbandoneranno. Sul suo tronco caduto risiederanno tutte le creature volatili dei cieli, e sui suoi ramoscelli saranno certamente tutte le bestie selvagge del campo;?affinchÃ© nessuno degli alberi irrigati divenga elevato in altezza, o metta la sua cima anche fra le nubi, e perchÃ© nessuno che beve acqua stia in piedi contro di loro nella sua altezza, poichÃ© certamente saranno tutti dati alla morte, alla terra di sotto, in mezzo ai figli del genere umano, a quelli che scendono nella fossaÂ’Â”. Anche questo albero viene abbattuto e umiliato (Geova farÃ questo attraverso il re di Babilonia). A motivo delle tante similitudini con il regno dÂ’Egitto, siamo davvero certi che lÂ’albero che Â“raggiunse i cieliÂ” si riferisca al Regno di Dio?
Â Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Quando si tratta del 1914, siamo davvero come i bereani? O siamo "bereani" solo quando dobbiamo confutare le dottrine della cristianitÃ ?
CÂ’Ã¨ un altro particolare interessante il quale dovrebbe farci riflettere. La Bibbia paragona i cieli ai governi, siano essi umani o celesti. Applicando questo concetto allÂ’albero che raggiunge i cieli e i cui altri alberi non reggono il confronto con esso, significherebbe semplicemente che questo albero ha il regno sopra gli altri regni (piÃ¹ piccoli) e di Babilonia la Grande si dice, appunto, che Â“ha il regno sopra i re della terraÂ” Â– Rivelazione 17:18 LÂ’unico parallelismo legittimo che si puÃ² fare con Babilonia, senza timore di prendere cantonate, Ã¨ quello relativo a Babilonia la Grande perchÃ© Ã¨ il parallelismo che fa la Bibbia. In effetti tutti gli imperi mondiali menzionati nelle Scritture hanno avuto, per un certo periodo, il regno sopra gli altri regni. Ciro disse infatti di se stesso... Â“Io sono Ciro, re del mondo, gran re, re legittimo, re di Babilonia, re di Sumer e Akkad, re delle quattro estremitÃ (della terra), figlio di Cambise (Ka-am-bu-zi-ia), gran re, re di Anzan, nipote di CiroÂ , .Â .Â . discendente di Teispe, .Â .Â . di una famiglia (che) ha sempre regnatoÂ”. (Ancient Near Eastern Texts, a cura di J.Â B. Pritchard, 1974, p.Â 316) Sicuramente lÂ’umiltÃ non era una caratteristica apprezzata dai persiani come neppure dai babilonesi ma di fatto il regno ebbe il potere sugli altri regni conosciuti (tanto da definirsi Â“re delle quattro estremitÃ della terraÂ”) e quindi si poteva ben dire che la sua altezza aveva raggiunto i cieli ed era visibile o conosciuto fino alle estremitÃ della terra. Nel racconto di Ezechiele e in quello di Daniele non cÂ’Ã¨ alcun riferimento, proprio nessuno, al Regno di Dio anzi... entrambi i resoconti menzionano un giudizio da parte di Dio su nazioni nemiche, orgogliose e violente. Ogni eventuale calcolo cronologico dovrebbe rispettare il soggetto in essere ed infatti questa parte della Scrittura Ã¨ ben diversa da ciÃ² che si dice in merito alle Â“settanta settimaneÂ” Â– Daniele 9:24-27 Nel resoconto di Daniele capitolo 9 si parla chiaramente del Messia (vedi Daniele 9:25) e non Ã¨ necessario leggere ciÃ² che non Ã¨ scritto. Chiunque volesse essere polemico potrebbe discutere sulla data di inizio da cui contare le Â“settimaneÂ” o anche sul metodo addotto* (un giorno per un anno) ma di certo non si puÃ² discutere del soggetto in essere (il Messia). Si potrebbe, per assurdo, anche discutere su chi fosse veramente il Messia (cosa su cui discutono ancora gli ebrei) ma di certo non si puÃ² discutere che Daniele capitolo 9 parli dellÂ’arrivo del Messia! Invece Daniele capitolo 4 parla di Nabucodonosor e del suo regno, mentre tutto Â“lÂ’intendimentoÂ” relativo al Regno di Dio Ã¨ costruito su quattro righe riportate nel libro Â“Prestate attenzione alle profezie di Daniele!Â” che recitano: Â“Ma il grande albero rappresenta il dominio che raggiunge lÂ’estremitÃ della terra, che abbraccia lÂ’intero regno del genere umano. PerciÃ² simboleggia la sovranitÃ universale di Geova, particolarmente in relazione alla terra. - Daniele 4:17Â” (capitolo 6, pagina 87 dellÂ’edizione italiana del libro). Non sembra unÂ’affermazione molto decisa con una base molto debole? Cerchiamo di non far dire a Daniele 4:17 quello che in realtÃ non dice perchÃ© basta conoscere le regole base della grammatica per non distrarsi dal soggetto. Il soggetto Ã¨ Nabucodonosor e Dio gli fa comprendere che, a motivo del fatto che si Ã¨ esaltato, gli avrebbe tolto il regno e lÂ’avrebbe dato a chiunque Egli avesse voluto (esattamente come Egli fece con Faraone). In pratica Colui che governa davvero Ã¨ il Creatore e gli altri regni esistono soltanto perchÃ© Lui lo permette Â– Confronta Romani 13:1 Quindi non cÂ’Ã¨ alcun motivo per ritenere che lÂ’albero (cioÃ¨ uno dei tanti governi che Geova ha permesso nella storia del genere umano), rappresenti in realtÃ il Regno di Dio. Se qualcuno vuole insinuare che il fatto che Dio menzioni il Suo dominio sia indicativo che lÂ’albero stesso raffiguri il Suo dominio (ed Ã¨ unÂ’acrobazia semantica incredibile) allora possiamo prendere il racconto riportato in 2 Re 19:14-19 e fare lo stesso ragionamento. Â“Ezechia prese quindi le lettere dalla mano dei messaggeri e le lesse, dopo di che Ezechia salÃ¬ alla casa di Geova e le stese dinanzi a Geova. 15?Ed Ezechia pregava dinanzi a Geova e diceva: Â“O Geova, Dio dÂ’Israele, che siedi sui cherubini, tu solo sei il [vero] Dio di tutti i regni della terra. Tu stesso hai fatto i cieli e la terra. 16?Porgi il tuo orecchio, o Geova, e odi. Apri i tuoi occhi, o Geova, e vedi, e odi le parole di Sennacherib che egli ha mandato per biasimare lÂ’Iddio vivente. 17?Ãˆ un fatto, o Geova, che i re dÂ’Assiria hanno devastato le nazioni e il loro paese. 18?E hanno consegnato i loro dÃ¨i al fuoco, perchÃ© non erano dÃ¨i, ma lÂ’opera delle mani dellÂ’uomo, legno e pietra; cosÃ¬ che li hanno distrutti. 19?E ora, o Geova nostro Dio, salvaci, ti prego, dalla sua mano, affinchÃ© tutti i regni della terra conoscano che tu solo, o Geova, sei DioÂ”. Ezechia sapeva benissimo che Geova era Â“il vero Dio di tutti i regni della terraÂ” e pregÃ² affinchÃ© Sennacherib venisse fermato nel suo intento di distruggere Gerusalemme. Sappiamo benissimo quale fu la risposta di Isaia la quale ultima parte recita... Â“PerchÃ© il tuo eccitarti contro di me e il tuo ruggire sono saliti ai miei orecchi. E certamente ti metterÃ² il mio uncino al naso e il mio freno fra le labbra, E in realtÃ ti ricondurrÃ² per la via per la quale sei venutoÂ” - 2 Re 19:28 Se facessimo lo stesso ragionamento addotto per il capitolo 4 di Daniele, allora potremmo supporre che anche il Â“regno di SennacheribÂ” era un antitipo del regno di Dio perchÃ© anche lui dovette imparare (a sue spese) che Geova Ã¨ Â“il vero Dio di tutti i regni della terraÂ” o, detto in altre parole Â“domina su tutto il genere umanoÂ”. Purtroppo anche in questo racconto non ci sono numeri, giorni, settimane o mesi da calcolare e quindi nessun motivo per leggere Â“venuta del regno di DioÂ” anche dove non se ne fa alcuna menzione. EÂ’ possibile che il forte desiderio di veder adempiersi le profezie abbia influito sullÂ’intendimento e quindi abbia spinto a leggere quello che in realtÃ non era scritto? Questo significa che, se proprio si volesse vedere un secondo adempimento al racconto riportato in Daniele capitolo 4, si dovrebbe rispettare il soggetto in essere e cioÃ¨ Babilonia. Ãˆ probabile che il racconto di Daniele stia semplicemente raccontando lÂ’umiliazione di Nabucodonosor e che i Â“sette tempiÂ” significhino soltanto sette anni ma non possiamo essere categorici. A questo riguardo Ã¨ utile riflettere sul fatto che anche lÂ’umiliazione del Faraone, riportata in Ezechiele, potrebbe avere un secondo adempimento in quanto Geova dice che Â“scrollerÃ le nazioniÂ” e questo potrebbe essere un riferimento alla guerra di Armaghedon. Quindi, senza fissarci troppo con una data specifica, nel caso in cui il racconto di Daniele avesse voluto indicarci un secondo adempimento della profezia, il resoconto sta in realtÃ dicendo: Â“Babilonia cadrÃ , rimarrÃ inattiva per sette tempi e poi risorgerÃ Â”. Questo non puÃ² che riportare la nostra mente allÂ’ultima menzione che la Bibbia fa di Babilonia Â– Rivelazione 17:5 Gli indizi relativi a Babilonia la Grande ci hanno portato alla nazione dÂ’Israele quindi la domanda che dovremmo farci Ã¨... Â“Da che anno dovremmo iniziare a contare i 2520 anni (cioÃ¨ 360*7) fino a vedere la rinascita (eventuale) di Babilonia?Â” Dal racconto di Daniele le date possibili da cui partire per contare i sette tempi sono due: 1) Da quando Nabucodonosor ha avuto la visione o Ã¨ caduto in Â“disgraziaÂ” (infatti Daniele dice Â“lÂ’albero sei tuÂ” Â– Daniele 4:20-22) 2) Dalla morte di Nabucodonosor (se Nabucodonosor rappresenta il regno di Babilonia, la sua morte Ã¨ il momento in cui lÂ’albero viene Â“abbattutoÂ” ma Ã¨ da notare che non cÂ’Ã¨ alcun riferimento a questo nella narrazione di Daniele il quale, anzi, dice che il regno gli sarebbe stato assicurato Â– Daniele 4:26) Â Per quanto riguarda la prima ipotesi Ã¨ impossibile avere una data accurata in quanto nÃ© la Bibbia nÃ© la storia secolare ci dicono in quale anno Nabucodonosor venne cacciato dal suo regno. CiÃ² avvenne, ovviamente, dopo il 597 a.E.V. (anno in cui Nabucodonosor porta i primi prigionieri Giudei a Babilonia secondo la datazione secolare; cÂ’Ã¨ una differenza di 20 anni con quella dello schiavo che, infatti, mette il 617 a.E.V.) ed entro il 570 a.E.V. (se Nabucodonosor muore nel 562 a.E.V. - sempre secondo la data secolare - e il periodo di Â“cattivitÃ Â” dura 7 anni e il regno gli viene restituito si presume che esso abbia regnato per almeno un anno, il 570 Ã¨ lÂ’ultimo anno utile). Comunque nei primi quattro capitoli di Daniele si menzionano Daniele, Sadrac, Mesac e Abednego prima come fanciulli (Daniele 1:3, 4) e successivamente come uomini robusti (Daniele 3:12, 27) e tutto questo prima che Nabucodonosor abbia il famoso sogno dellÂ’albero. Questo significa che, dalla loro deportazione fino al giorno in cui il re eresse lÂ’immagine dÂ’oro, passarono almeno 15, 20 anni. Quindi se gli ebrei sono giunti a Babilonia nel 597 a.E.V. ma passano 20 ventÂ’anni prima della costruzione dellÂ’idolo dÂ’oro e avendo presa per buona la data secolare (562 a.E.V) Ã¨ possibile restringere il periodo dal 577 a.E.V. fino al 570 a.E.V. Ovviamente sono solo stime ma la data importante Ã¨ il limite massimo di tempo (il 570 a.E.V) per cui se dalla deportazione fino alla costruzione dellÂ’immagine fossero passati 15 anni anzichÃ© 20, la data di inizio sarebbe il 582 a.E.V. ma lÂ’ultima data utile possibile sarebbe sempre il 570 a.E.V. LÂ’eventuale rinascita di Babilonia, se di questo sta parlando Daniele, cosa tuttÂ’altro che certa, sarebbe avvenuta tra il 1943 E.V. (2520-577) e il 1950 E.V. (2520-570). A rafforzare questa ipotesi ci sarebbe anche il fatto che la narrazione della sua cacciata Ã¨ lÂ’ultimo racconto riferito a Nabucodonosor. Pochi versetti dopo, infatti, non si parla piÃ¹ di lui ma di Baldassarre (Daniele cap. 5). EÂ’ ragionevole concludere, quindi, che Nabucodonosor ebbe la visione negli ultimi anni, forse durante lÂ’ultimo decennio del suo regno. Â La seconda ipotesi riguarda la morte di Nabucodonosor la quale avviene, secondo le fonti secolari, nel 562 a.E.V. Secondo lo schiavo avviene invece nel 582 a.E.V. (vedi il libro Â“Prestate attenzione alle profezie di DanieleÂ” capitolo 7, pagina 99). Contando 2520 anni si arriva al 1958 E.V. nel primo caso e al 1938 E.V. nel secondo caso. Â Cosa ci dice la storia recente? Se, come abbiamo visto, Babilonia la Grande Ã¨ la nazione dÂ’Israele questo avvalorerebbe la prima ipotesi. La prima ipotesi colloca la rinascita di Babilonia tra il 1943 e il 1950. La Â“risurrezioneÂ” di Israele avviene, infatti, nel maggio 1948. Conoscendo la fissazione degli esseri umani per le date e i calcoli, perÃ², Ã¨ prudente prestare attenzione alle cose piÃ¹ importanti. Le date secolari non possono essere sicure, basandosi su reperti e confronti piÃ¹ o meno lacunosi, e di certo non possiamo basare la nostra fede su questo Â– 2 Corinti 5:7 Cosa accadrebbe se il 597 a.E.V., cosÃ¬ come il 607 o il 537 o qualsiasi altra data su cui abbiamo basato gran parte delle profezie bibliche (senza che ci fosse una vero motivo per farlo) domani si dimostrasse completamente errato? Le conseguenze potrebbero essere molto serie e non solo da un punto di vista umano Â– Amos 3:1, 2 Non dobbiamo prendere per scontata la misericordia di Geova per cui dobbiamo essere prudenti nelle nostre affermazioni. Dal momento che non abbiamo alcuna certezza che i Â“sette tempiÂ” non raffigurino semplicemente sette anni, non dovremmo perderci in queste speculazioni. La cosa piÃ¹ importante non Ã¨ forse comprendere lÂ’identitÃ di Babilonia la Grande? Questo Ã¨ un aspetto cruciale della profezia perchÃ© sono gli indizi a guidarci nei soggetti e nei tempi in cui stiamo vivendo, come dei segnali stradali, e non i calcoli Â– Confronta Matteo 24:32, 33 e 2 Timoteo 3:1-5 e fai un contrasto con Matteo 24:36 Non cÂ’Ã¨ alcuna indicazione temporale per lÂ’uccisione dei due testimoni vestiti di sacco (vedi Rivelazione cap. 11) ma sappiamo che essi si rivelano alla fine della guerra. Sappiamo che la cittÃ chiamata Â“Sodoma ed EgittoÂ” Ã¨ Babilonia la Grande, quindi Israele, e di conseguenza sappiamo anche quale nazione e quali avvenimenti osservare con attenzione. Che la Bibbia profetizzi effettivamente lÂ’anno della sua Â“risurrezioneÂ” oppure no, Ã¨ sicuramente interessante ma non fondamentale per chi crede che Essa Ã¨ davvero lÂ’ispirata Parola di Dio. Fondamentale, semmai, sarÃ Â“uscire da essaÂ” quando lÂ’ONU si preparerÃ a distruggerla. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Â Â * Comunque la Bibbia conferma il metodo Â“un giorno per un annoÂ” e anche che questo era lo stesso metodo utilizzato dal popolo di Dio Â– Ezechiele 4:6; Luca 3:15 Â Altri argomenti e informazioni, per chi volesse approfondire, sono disponibili al seguente indirizzo Â Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Â
By Noble Berean
"Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence" (2 Thessalonians 2:8).
I understand that Jehovah's Witnesses believe Jesus Christ presence began back in 1914. I also understand that JWs believe the clergy of Christendom represent the Man of Lawlessness. However, if that is the case, why have the clergy thrived since 1914? Shouldn't they be brought to "...nothing by the manifestation of his presence"?
By JW Insider
Even before C.T.Russell was born, commentaries on Bible prophecy included dozens of potential dates. Nearly 200 years ago, a couple of them even included 1914 as potentially significant time period. The "1914 presence" doctrine, however, is only about 75 years old.
All the ideas behind the Watch Tower's version of the 1914 doctrine have already been discussed for decades now, and all of them, so far, have been shown to be problematic from a Scriptural point of view. Since the time that the doctrine generally took its current shape in 1943, the meanings and applications of various portions of Matthew 24 and 25 have already been changed, and the timing of various prophesied events and illustrations have changed. Most recently, the meaning and identification of the "faithful and discreet slave" has changed. And the definition of "generation" has changed about half-a-dozen times. This doesn't mean that the current understandings are impossible, of course, only that it has become less likely from the point of view of reason and reasonableness.
Besides, for most of the years of teaching this doctrine, we have had the flexibility of extending the "1914 generation" from a possible 40 years, up to 70, then 75, then 80 years. And this has been applied to teenagers who saw 1914, 10-year-olds who saw 1914, then even newborns who saw 1914. With every one of these options already tried and stretched to their limits, we finally were forced to convert the meaning of generation from its most common meanings and give it a new "strained" meaning that has no other Biblical parallel. (See Exodus 1:6; Matthew 1:17; 16:4; 23:36; Luke 11:50)
But that flexibility is still seen as the last reason for hope that the Watch Tower Society might have still been correct in hanging on to 1914. Since the Bible says that a lifespan is 70 or 80 years and 1914 + 80 = 1994, the "generation" doctrine in its original form (1943) could remain stable until about 1994. Of course, a lifespan could technically reach to 120 years or more, and Gen 6:3 even gives vague support to the idea that the "1914 generation" could last 120 years, until 2034.
The current alternative solution is to make the generation out of the length of two lifespans, which technically could be double 120 years, or nearly 240 years from 1914. That would have had the potential to reach to the year 2154 (1914+240) except for the caveat that it can, by its new definition, only refer to anointed persons who discerned the sign in 1914 and whose lives overlapped (technically, by as little as one second) with the lifespan of another anointed person representing the second group. If persons from each group don't really discern their own "anointing" until age 20, for example, this would effectively remove 40 years from the overall maximum. 1914+120-20+120-20 = 2114. We could also assume a possible lifespan of more than 120 years, but otherwise, the new two-lifespan generation could potentially make the generation last 200 years. This "technical maximum" is not promoted currently, because for now we look at examples like Fred Franz who was part of that original generation already anointed and who saw the sign, and the typical example of an anointed brother who was apparently "anointed" prior to Franz' death in 1992 would be someone like Governing Body member, Brother Sanderson, who was born in 1965, baptized in 1975, and was already a "special pioneer" in 1991. His is currently 52.
However, the generation problem is just one more problem now which we can add onto the list of all the other points that make up the 1914 doctrine. Here are several points related to 1914 that appear problematic from a Scriptural point of view:
All evidence shows the 1914 date is wrong when trying to base it on the destruction of Jerusalem. (Daniel 1:1; 2 Chron 36:1-22; Jer 25:8-12; Zech 1:12, 7:4; Ezra 3:10-13) Paul said that Jesus sat at God's right hand in the first century and that he already began ruling as king at that time. (1 Cor 15:25) Jesus said not to be fooled by the idea that wars and rumors of wars would be the start of a "sign" (Matt 24:4,5) Jesus said that the "parousia" would be as visible as lightning (Matt 24:27). He spoke against people who might say he had returned but was currently not visible. (Matt 24:23-26) Jesus said that his "parousia" would come as a surprise to the faithful, not that they would discern the time of the parousia decades in advance. (Matt 24:36-42) Jesus said that the kingdom would not be indicated by "signs" (Luke 17:20, almost any translation except NWT in this case) The "synteleia" (end of all things together) refers to a concluding event, not an extended period of time (Matt 28:20) Jesus was already called ruler, King and even "King of Kings" in the first century. (1 Tim 6:15, Heb 7:2,17; Rev 1:5; 17:14) Wicked, beastly King Nebuchadnezzar's insanity and humiliation does not represent Jesus as the "lowliest one of mankind." (Heb 1:5,6; 2:10,11; Daniel 4:23-25; cf. Heb 2:7; 1 Pet 3:17,18) The demise of a Gentile kingdom cannot rightly represent the time of the rise of the Gentile kingdoms (Daniel 4:26,27) The Gentile kings did not meet their demise in 1914. (Rev 2:25,26) The time assigned to the Gentile Times that Jesus spoke about in Luke 21:24 is already given as 3.5 times, not 7 times (Revelation 11:2,3) The Devil was already brought down from "heaven" in the first century. (1 John 2:14,15; 1 Pet 5:8; Luke 10:18; Heb 2:14) The Bible says that the "last days" began in the first century. (Acts 2:14-20; 2 Tim 3:1-17; 1 Peter 3:3-5; Heb 1:2, almost any translation except NWT in this case.)
By Albert Michelson
What is the good news?
The Bible is clear that even if someone had been clearly selected by god if they deviate from the truth they are to be rejected.
Galatians 1:8-9 However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to YOU as good news something beyond what we declared to YOU as good news, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said above, I also now say again, Whoever it is that is declaring to YOU as good news something beyond what YOU accepted, let him be accursed.
This holds even more weight for ones like the GB who are not clearly selected and who's claim to authority rests solely on a demonstrably false interpretation of scripture.
The organization claims that the 1914 teaching is necessary for salvation and even goes as far as to claim that the 1914 teaching is the good news spoken of in the Bible.
*** w67 12/15 pp. 753-754 pars. 3-4 What Now Distinguishes the Good News to Be Preached ***
"What a joy-inspiring addition or enlargement to the good news now to be preached! Now has come the victorious kingdom of our God together with the authority of his Christ, his Messiah! As for Satan the Devil and his demons, they have only a short period of time until they are bound and imprisoned in the abyss after the “war of the great day of God the Almighty” at Armageddon. All this additional wonderful information has been true since the end of the “appointed times of the nations” in 1914, and particularly since World War I closed in the year 1918. Not before the “appointed times of the nations” ended in the fall of 1914 could the good news be preached of the newborn, established heavenly kingdom of God and of his Messiah. This, then, must be the good news that Jesus Christ in his prophecy said had to be preached first in all the nations. (Mark 13:10) This generation of human society that has seen and experienced the world events since the Gentile Times closed in 1914—this is the “generation” that will not pass away until all the things foretold have happened, including the preaching of the good news first in all nations.
4 Jesus’ prophecy in Mark 13:10, “Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first,” has not been undergoing fulfillment during the past nineteen centuries. It is only since the second decade of our twentieth century that this prophecy has been undergoing fulfillment. This began to be realized by the International Bible Students Association and the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society since the end of the second decade of our century. In the magazine issue of July 1, 1920, of The Watch Tower and Herald of Christ’s Presence the article was published entitled “Gospel of the Kingdom” and based on the theme text, “‘And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.’—Matthew 24:14.”
It is for this reason that the organization is chained to the 1914 teaching. As the scripture I quoted above demonstrates the Bible says that one who teaches a good news that is false is cursed. If the organization admits that the 1914 and 1919 teachings are false they will have to admit that not only were they not selected as gods channel but that they have been teaching a false good news for the majority of their existence. It is for that reason that they disfellowship and shun people who cannot conscientiously remain in the faith. It's easier to just eliminate the opposition then to actually address the real issues with your theology.
*** w86 4/1 pp. 30-31 Questions From Readers ***
Why have Jehovah’s Witnesses disfellowshipped (excommunicated) for apostasy some who still profess belief in God, the Bible, and Jesus Christ?
"Approved association with Jehovah’s Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible, including those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah’s Witnesses. What do such beliefs include?
That the great issue before humankind is the rightfulness of Jehovah’s sovereignty, which is why he has allowed wickedness so long. (Ezekiel 25:17) That Jesus Christ had a prehuman existence and is subordinate to his heavenly Father. (John 14:28) That there is a “faithful and discreet slave” upon earth today ‘entrusted with all of Jesus’ earthly interests,’ which slave is associated with the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. (Matthew 24:45-47) That 1914 marked the end of the Gentile Times and the establishment of the Kingdom of God in the heavens, as well as the time for Christ’s foretold presence. (Luke 21:7-24; Revelation 11:15–12:10) That only 144,000 Christians will receive the heavenly reward. (Revelation 14:1, 3) That Armageddon, referring to the battle of the great day of God the Almighty, is near. (Revelation 16:14, 16; 19:11-21) That it will be followed by Christ’s Millennial Reign, which will restore an earth-wide paradise. That the first to enjoy it will be the present “great crowd” of Jesus’ “other sheep.”—John 10:16; Revelation 7:9-17; 21:3, 4."
This is supposedly a list of the fundamental doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses that all are required to believe. You will in most cases be disfellowshiped for not believing in one or more of them. Unfortunately the truth is most of them are false.
By Brother Rando
Being a student of Prophecy and intently studying the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, 1914 is only the beginning of the end. “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. ?All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.Â” (Matthew 24:7-8)
In 1914 the world as we know it, has entered into itsÂ death throes. Â GodÂ’s Kingdom would slowly begin crushing all kingdoms of the earth. (Daniel 2:44) Â Those inhabiting the earth would enter into an Â‘allotted amount of timeÂ ofÂ distress'. Â“During that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people.Â And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time.Â And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book.Â” (Daniel 12:1)
What is causing thisÂ Â‘time of distressÂ’? Â Â“And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled ?but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven.Â” (Rev 12:7-8) Â Â“Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing thatÂ he has a short period of time.Â” (Rev 12:12) Â HereÂ’s an important teaching from Jesus Christ, he stated, Â“For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be.Â” (Matthew 24:37) Â Did you catch that? Â So the presence of the Son of man will be. Â Jesus Christ has been ruling from Heaven since 1914 and he comparedÂ his presenceÂ likeÂ the days of Noah! Â Few people understand this, but the Days of Noah lasted 120 years. (Genesis 6:3) Â Jesus continues, Â“For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, ?and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away,Â so the presence of the Son of man will be.Â” (Matthew 24:38-39) Â Folks,Â the presence of the Son of manÂ is now 103 years from 1914 and counting. Â Yet, the World is taking no note.
The Last Days must reach their full time allotted, which is 120 years. Â 1914 + 120 = 2034. Â Since the Great Tribulation is Spiritual, many will Â fall away from the faith. But itÂ’s during this time period that the oneÂ’s separated to the right hand of Christ, will come out of the Great Tribulation as Survivors. Â In response one of the elders said to me: Â“These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?Â” (Rev 7:13)
So right away I said to him: Â“My lord, you are the one who knows.Â” And he said to me:Â Â“These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.Â”Â (Rev 7:14) Â Â“Keep on the watch, therefore, because you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.Â” (Matthew 24:42)
Armageddon is an act of undeserved kindness of removing the wicked by means of the second death. Â Soon, those outside our interior rooms will be dying the second death in the same manner as Adam and Eve.Â
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Eruption of Sakurajima volcano, the most powerful in twentieth-century Japan, with Kagoshima, Japan in foreground, 1914
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Subsequent President of the Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. established 1914 as the date of "Christ's Invisible Return" and crowning as King of Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. which had been previously believed to be 1878. Hence, Jehovah's heavenly Kingdom is established.
Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. teach that Satan and his demons were cast down to earth from heaven after October 1, 1914 at which point the end times began.
From 1914 C.E. to the early part of 1918 C.E. or 1,260 days Jehovah's people preached a "sackcloth" message concerning Christendom and the world, in fulfillment of Revelation 11:3, 4. See re pgs. 164-7 pars. 10-18, also see yw pgs. 264-307, also bf pg. 592.
[KING OF THE NORTH is now Germany, the KING OF THE SOUTH is the alliance between Great Britian and the United States of America, see Daniel 11:27-29], Archduke Francis Ferdinand and his wife, Countess Sophie Chotek, duchess of Hohenberg were assassinated on June 28th in Sarajevo, Bosnia, (now in Bosnia and Herzegovina), by a Serb nationalist. This action precipitated World War I.
On October 2, 1914, Jesus took the throne. Shortly thereafter, a war in heaven broke out wherein Satan and his demons were cast from the heavens. Satan then became so enraged that he began to wreak havoc upon the earth. One of the first things he did was to start the Great War (WWI). So WWI must have started a few days after October 2, 1914.
“World War I set the violent twentieth century in motion. It was the first use of chemical weapons; the first mass bombardment of civilians from the sky; the century’s first genocide.” So begins the 1996 PBS series The Great War and the Shaping of the Twentieth Century.
The war’s horrendous prosecution and unsatisfactory end were made even worse by the Versailles Peace Conference, a conclave which created the false peace that only allowed the combatants to rearm and proceed to a second conflict which was even more destructive than the first one. World War II merely took up the Great War’s unfinished business. Indeed many historians call both conflicts Europe’s “Second Thirty Years’ War.”
The First World War led to the birth of the first communist dictatorship. The world flirted with nuclear destruction as that dictatorship engaged in a murderous rivalry with its erstwhile allies. When the USSR finally imploded, some of the splinter states which emerged from its ruins fell to either fighting among themselves or suffering internecine bloodletting. And the problems elsewhere in southwest Asia as well as the Middle East can be traced to hatreds fostered by European colonialism which the Great War only intensified.
The world we have today had its birth pangs in World War I. It was Austria-Hungary’s invasion of Serbia on 28 July 1914 that caused a myriad of dominoes to fall—and they are continuing to tumble even now.
The war shattered an entire world order. In 1914, sixty percent of the world's population lived under the rule of kingdoms or empires. Today less than ten percent do so. The only important royal dynasty to survive the war was the House of Windsor and that was not without challenge. The fragmentation of these empires led to the rise of independent states which continues down to this day as the doctrine of "self-determination", promulgated by Wilson at Versailles, continues to govern many movements in our time.
But what makes the Great War different from its predecessors is that it was the first fought in all four quarters of the globe and by blocs of nations as opposed to just a few. Its carnage also was unmatched in previous world history. Nobody knows how many actually died although estamates range from fourteen to twenty million. Among its aftershocks were the Spanish Flu, the pandemic that killed more people than the war itself, and widespread famine. So to say that the Great War was not much different from earlier ones entirely misses the point,
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July 28, 1914. Austria-Hungary declares war on Serbia. August 1, 1914. Germany Declares War on Russia. August 3, 1914. Germany declares war on France. August 4, 1914. Britain declares war on Germany. August 6, 1914. Austria declares war on Russia. April 6, 1917 - The United States declares war on Germany.
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Previous Watchtower Publications quotations concerning 1914
“Some persons living A.D. 1914 when the series of foretold events began will also be living when the series ends with Armageddon.” - The Watchtower, September 1, 1952, p. 543
THE TRAIN ILLUSTRATION - Awake!, October 8, 1968, p. 5
“The fact that fifty-four years of the period called the ‘last days’ have already gone by is highly significant. It means that only a few years, at most, remain before the corrupt system of things dominating the earth is destroyed by God...Jesus was obviously speaking about those who were old enough to witness with understanding what took place when the ‘last days’ began. Jesus was saying that some of those persons who were alive at the appearance of the ‘sign of the last days’ would still be alive when God brought this system to its end.” - Awake!, October 8, 1968, p. 13
“But there are people still living who were alive in 1914 and saw what was happening then and who were old enough that they still remember those events. This generation is getting up in years now. A great number of them have already passed away in death. Yet Jesus very pointedly said: ‘This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.’ Some of them will still be alive to see the end of this wicked system. This means that only a short time is left before the end comes!” - Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.
“However, there are people still living who were alive in 1914 and saw what was happening then and who were old enough that they still remember those events. This generation is getting up in years now. A great number of them have already passed away in death. Yet Jesus very pointedly said: ‘This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.’ Some of them will still be alive to see the end of this wicked system. This means that only a short time is left before the end comes!” - The Watchtower, February 15, 1969, p. 101
“Men of this world offer you nothing stable, nothing sure. Their promises and predictions of better things have failed time and again. Why let yourself be carried along with them in a steadily downward course to ultimate disaster due to rejecting God’s will? God’s prophetic Word has not failed. Time has confirmed its truthfulness, its unerring accuracy. The generation that saw the start of the time of distress that began in 1914 is now dwindling in numbers. Before it passes off the scene the prophesied ‘great tribulation’ will come. You can be among the joyful survivors, experience deliverance from a world system that has proved oppressive, unworkable and death dealing.” - The Watchtower, February 1, 1971, p. 69
“And the remaining ones of that generation of 1914 are still talking about it. Some of them will be talking about it right down to the time when the ‘great tribulation’ wipes Satan’s wicked system of things off the face of our globe. For Jesus Christ himself assures us: ‘Truly I say to you that this generation [the generation that saw the ‘beginning of pangs of distress’ in 1914] will by no means pass away [completely] until all these things occur. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away.’--Matthew 24:3,8,34,35.” - The Watchtower, May 1, 1982, p. 15
“After drawing attention to the many things that have marked the period from 1914 onward, Jesus said: ‘This generation will by no means pass away until all these things [including the end of this system] occur.’ (Matthew 24:34,14) Which generation did Jesus mean? He meant the generation of people who were living in 1914. Those persons yet remaining of that generation are now very old. However, some of them will still be alive to see the end of this wicked system. So of this we can be certain: Shortly now there will be a sudden end to all wickedness and wicked people at Armageddon. Some of the generation living in 1914 will see the end of the system of things and survive it.” - Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.
ILLUSTRATION: “1914 The Generation That Will Not Pass Away” - The Watchtower, May 15, 1984, title page
“If Jesus used ‘generation’ in that sense and we apply it to 1914, then the babies of that generation are now 70 years old or older. And others alive in 1914 are in their 80’s or 90’s, a few even having reached a hundred. There are still many millions of that generation alive. Some of them ‘will by no means pass away until all things occur.’ --Luke 21:32” - The Watchtower, May 15, 1984, p. 5
“From a purely human viewpoint, it could appear that these developments could hardly take place before the generation of 1914 disappears from the scene. But fulfillment of all the foretold events affecting the generation of 1914 does not depend on comparatively slow human action. Jehovah’s prophetic word through Christ Jesus is: ‘This generation [of 1914] will by no means pass away until all things occur.’ (Luke 21:32) And Jehovah, who is the source of inspired and unfailing prophecy, will bring about the fulfillment of his Son’s words in a relatively short time.--Isaiah 46:9,10; 55:10,11.”
- The Watchtower, May 15, 1984, pp. 6-7
“Today, a small percentage of mankind can still recall the dramatic events of 1914. Will that elderly generation pass away before God saves the earth from ruin? Not according to Bible prophecy. ‘When you see all these things,’ Jesus promised, ‘know that he is near at the doors. Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.’--Matthew 24:33,34” - The Watchtower, May 1, 1992, p. 3
“Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator’s promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away.” - Awake!, October 22, 1995, p. 4
“Eager to see the end of this evil system, Jehovah’s people have at times speculated about the time when the ‘great tribulation’ would break out, even tying this to calculations of what is the lifetime of a generation since 1914. However, we ‘bring a heart of wisdom in,’ not by speculating about how many years or days make up a generation, but by thinking about how we ‘count our days’ in bringing joyful praise to Jehovah. (Psalm 90:12) Rather than provide a rule for measuring time, the term ‘generation’ as used by Jesus refers principally to contemporary people of a certain historical period, with their identifying characteristics.” - The Watchtower, November 1, 1995, p. 17
“Therefore, in the final fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy today, ‘this generation’ apparently refers to the peoples of earth who see the sign of Christ’s presence but fail to mend their ways...Does our more precise viewpoint on ‘this generation’ mean that Armageddon is further away than we had thought? Not at all! Though we at no time have known the ‘day and hour,’ Jehovah God has always known it, and he does not change.” - The Watchtower, November 1, 1995, pp. 19-20
“Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator’s promise of a peaceful and secure new world that is about to replace the present wicked, lawless system of things.” - Awake!, November 8, 1995, p. 4
One hundred years on from the Great War
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The ‘International Bible Students’ . . . have been proclaiming to the world that the Day of Wrath prophesied in the Bible would dawn in 1914.”
It is a historical fact worth noting that, on the basis of the points and evidence above presented, the March 1880 edition of the Watch Tower magazine identified the year 1914 as the time for the close of “the appointed times of the nations” (and the end of the lease of power granted the Gentile rulers).
This was some 34 years before the arrival of that year and the momentous events it initiated. In the August 30, 1914, edition of The World, a leading New York newspaper at that time, a feature article in the paper’s Sunday magazine section commented on this as follows: “The terrific war outbreak in Europe has fulfilled an extraordinary prophecy.
For a quarter of a century past, through preachers and through press, the ‘International Bible Students’ . . . have been proclaiming to the world that the Day of Wrath prophesied in the Bible would dawn in 1914.”
The events that took place from and after the year 1914 C.E. are well-known history to all, beginning with the great war that erupted, the first world war in mankind’s history and the first to be fought over the issue, not of the domination of Europe alone, nor of Africa, nor of Asia, but of the domination of the world.—Lu 21:7-24, 29-33; Re 11:15-18.
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Something I thought might be relevant since we are studying the God's Kingdom book. Not long ago, in a WT article, it was mentioned in reference to the "Kingdom being preached in all the inhabited earth" that this will not mean that literally everyone on Earth would have heard about the Kingdom before Armageddon starts.
When one does a bit of mathematics (not my forte) and calculates the percentage of current Jehovah's Witnesses in comparison to the World's population we arrive at 0.1%. This is a very small percentage indeed. (8 million JW to 8 billion population)
If we were to assume some averages, and use the United States as a fair example, then we can assume the ratio of 1 publisher to roughly around 400. This seems a fair number since "only a few are the ones finding the road to life". However, as we know, there is practically a non existent ratio when it comes to India and China, two of the world's countries with a population of over 1billion each (the majority of whom have never heard of the Bible, never mind Jehovah's Witnesses). If we would assume the same ratio of 1:400, then this would immediately create over 3 million Witnesses in each of the two countries, i.e. over 6 million in India and China alone, bringing the total of JWs to over 14 million. If we were to also add 650 thousand in Indonesia, 485 thousand from Pakistan, and 402 thousand from Bangladesh that adds another 1.5 million bringing the total to over 15 million, almost doubling the Witnesses today.
If we go by the fact that all people are equal in Jehovah's eyes, and that no nation is above another when it comes to salvation, and that all people are basically the same, then we have to assume that there are people in those countries who, if given the chance, would embrace the truth and put themselves on Jehovah's side and create that ratio of 1:400.
With that in mind, it is evident that either there is going to have to be a lot of preaching done, verging on the miraculous, in order to bring in over 7 million new Witnesses within the allotted time of the "Generation", or, Jehovah will judge their hearts and allow nearly HALF of the people, (agnostics or believers in false Gods) entry into the new world without them even needing to know him.
Or, is "this Generation" a lot longer than we think.....
Any scriptural thoughts?
1888 "In this chapter we present the Bible evidence proving that the full end of the times of the gentiles, i.e., the full end of their lease of dominion, will be reached in A.D. 1914; and that the date will be the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men. And be it observed, that if this is shown to be a fact firmly established by the Scriptures, it will prove; Firstly, that at that date the Kingdom of God, for which our Lord taught us to pray, saying, Thy Kingdom come, will obtain full, universal control, and that it will then be set up, or firmly established, in the earth, on the ruins of present institutions." (The Time Is At Hand, 1888, p. 76, 77)
1889 "Be not surprised, then, when in subsequent chapters we present proofs that the setting up of the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878, and that the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:14) which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced. The gathering of the armies is plainly visible from the standpoint of God's word." (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, The Time Is At Hand, 1889 Ed., p. 101. The 1915 Edition of this texts changed "A.D. 1914" to read 'A.D. 1915')
In 1889, the WT said " we present PROOFS that the setting up of the kingdom of God has already begun...and that 'the battle of the great day of God almighty' (Revelation16:14),which will end in AD1914 with the complete overthrow of the earth's present rulership, is already commenced.".
The watchtower presented "proofs".
These "proofs" were wrong, so what credibility do they have to "proclaim" anything?
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