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WHAT IS THE DISGUSTING THING THAT CAUSES DESOLATION IN OUR TIME AS RECORDED AT MATTHEW 24:15?

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1 hour ago, JOHN DAVIS said:

WHAT IS THE DISGUSTING THING THAT CAUSES DESOLATION IN OUR TIME AS RECORDED AT MATTHEW 24:15?

At the mo', United Nations. Man's last hope for Peace., Ha!Ha!

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What will signal the start of the great tribulation? Jesus foretold: “When you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place, (let the reader use discernment,) then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains.” (Matt. 24:15, 16) In the first fulfillment, the “standing in a holy place” occurred in 66 C.E. when the Roman army (“the disgusting thing”) attacked Jerusalem and its temple (a place holy in the eyes of the Jews). In the larger fulfillment, the “standing” will occur when the United Nations (the modern-day “disgusting thing”) attacks Christendom (which is holy in the eyes of nominal Christians) and the rest of Babylon the Great. The same attack is described at Revelation 17:16-18. That event will be the beginning of the great tribulation.
 

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Hello, 

I think that scripture doesn't support the notion that Christendom is attacked in the beginning of tribulation. 

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The “great tribulation” begins when the political elements suddenly turn on “Babylon the Great.” They “will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire.” (Revelation 17:16)

Please note that in Rev. 17:16 there is no timing given as to the beginning of the GT.
If Christendom (aka Babylon the great) falls in the beginning of tribulation, how is it then that harlot sits on the back of the revived beast that comes out of the abyss? According to Revelation 17 the seven-headed beast goes off into destruction and then comes back out of the abyss as the 8th king which is when the harlot is depicted as riding the revived beast and immediately before God puts it into the mind of the beast to devour her. Revelation in the 11
th, 13th and 17th  chapters talk about a beast that goes into a deathlike state (aka receives a sword stroke) only to later be revived. 

Rather than the destruction of organized religion marking the commencement of the great tribulation, the tribulation apparently brings about the collapse of the present Anglo-American dominated democratic system. That is in keeping with Daniel’s prophecy, which foretells that a king of fierce countenance will bring mighty ones to ruin, as well as the sons of the kingdom. Afterwards, with the democratic nations brought low, the United Nations will be empowered to the extent of becoming a global empire (aka the 8th king).

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In the first fulfillment, the “standing in a holy place” occurred in 66 C.E. when the Roman army (“the disgusting thing”) attacked Jerusalem and its temple (a place holy in the eyes of the Jews). In the larger fulfillment, the “standing” will occur when the United Nations (the modern-day “disgusting thing”) attacks Christendom (which is holy in the eyes of nominal Christians) and the rest of Babylon the Great.

The holy place was not only holy in the eyes of Jews. It was a place where Jehovah made his name to reside. It had a room called "The Most Holy" or "The Holy of Holies" in it. It was considered holy in the eyes of Jehovah himself, because he sanctified it. So it only makes sense that holy place today is something that is considered holy by Jehovah, which is certainly not the Christendom. And since we don't have the physical temple today, it is logical to conclude that the holy place is the spiritual temple.

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exactly, but the 1997 watchtower article has been updated with the article; july 15. 2013 and also the april 2016 watchtower article: what will go when gods kingdom comes? we cant determine the exact timing of the great tribulation, but with all the things happening now and also the special campaign that we are doing right now to place the article: is the world out of control, we can be sure that this is near, therefore since the united nations are standing up at this moment, it is now time to FLEE to jehovahs organization and stay there,

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The teaching didn't change, though. Although it is understood that we can't determine exact timing of tribulation, we can "learn from the fig tree" in order to understand where we are in the timeline. Yes, we are close. But that's just the beginning.

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3 hours ago, into the light said:

I think that scripture doesn't support the notion that Christendom is attacked in the beginning of tribulation. 

You're right, but of course that isn't the point being made.

All of Babylon the Great is "holy" from the standpoint of its supporters. All of Babylon the Great will be dismantled by the political entity of the day in harmony with Jehovah's expressed judgement.

And there is no need to bring Jehovah's estimation of what is Holy into the equation because, at the time of Jerusalem's penetration by the Roman army, he had long cast off the old temple arrangement with the success of Jesus mission to earth. In fact, the event described at Matt.27:51; Mk.15:38; Lu.23:45 33 years earlier indicated very clearly that Jehovah had stripped away the "Holy" status of that edifice. Jesus’ baptism, in 29 C.E., had already anointed, or set apart, that heavenly, spiritual reality originally represented by the Most Holy of the earthly tabernacle and of the later temple, (Hebrews 9:11, 12), and this is the temple sanctuary described at Rev 11:19 wher the missing "ark of the covenant" is finally located (figuratively of course).

So then, at the time of Jersusalem's end from 66CE to 70CE , the literal  "Holy" and "Most Holy" compartments of the temple were just relics of the past, "holy" indeed in the eyes of the adherents to the redundant Jewish religion of the time, but nevetheless as profane as any other religious eduifice of the day in the eyes of Jehovah God. Actually. it had been long marked for destruction as is Christendom and all of Babylon the Great today.

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