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Chapter 6, entitled Statecraft, contains 54 endnotes, of which 18 are scriptures. 

When I came to endnote Chapter 7, Education, I decided to rewrite much of the chapter. It is a minor rewrite - mostly just shuffling about what is already there so as to make the whole tighter. Much of it started as independent posts in various places (mostly here) and it is not a piece of cake cobbling it into one coherent whole.

Some new parts will be written. Some old parts will be deleted as not directly relevant. Maybe they will appear somewhere else someday.

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Okay, chapter 7 on Education is done. 43 endnotes of which 16 are scriptures.

Part II can be expected to have more sciptural endnotes than Part I because more of it is original and not a discussion of news reports.

The trick with education is to turn intended use of the statistics on their head. When detractors charge that Witnesses drag up the bottom of the Pew list for education and income, you don't squirm and try to qualify it, much less apologize for it. You point out that it is exactly what one would expect of any group truly following Christ today.

Now on to Chapter 8: Brainwashing.

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As I suspected, chapter 8  - Brainwashing - has a higher concentration of scriptures for endnotes - 18 of 37.

there are a couple of points that I want to find a specific source for which to endnote. One is the Western meddling encouragement of Bolshevik revolution in Russia, as a way to affect the power balance of WWI

The other is a concise source to back up the following statement: "Among the philosophical underpinnings of compulsory public education in the Western world is that children ought be separated early from the possible pernicious influence of the parents so as to be molded by greater society."

Now on to chapter 9 - Discipline

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8 hours ago, Nana Fofana said:

I don't mean to insult you with the poor quality of these- just too tired?

I cannot be insulted when given a freebee.  :)

I can, and may, spend a day in the library to find actual good sources for things I have absorbed but have long since lost the specific origin. But what you offered seems to work pretty well.

Your source links to Jay Leno as 'educator of the year.' You might like that in NY John Taylor Gatto was named "teacher of the year" back when we followed such things more closely. He bit the hand that fed him by acknowledging that - yes, he is a great teacher, but it has only been by bucking the school system at every step.

He tirelessly tried to reform public education and finally gave up, to become a prime homeschool advocate. I follow him on Twitter.

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1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

You might like that in NY John Taylor Gatto was named "teacher of the year" back when we followed such things more closely. He bit the hand that fed him by acknowledging that - yes, he is a great teacher, but it has only been by bucking the school system at every step.

He tirelessly tried to reform public education and finally gave up, to become a prime homeschool advocate. I follow him on Twitter.

Sorry to change the subject, but just can't pass up a chance to name-drop. I know John Taylor Gatto very well, and we even stayed in his apartment in Alicante, Spain for 5 weeks, jumping off to Ibiza and Mallorca for part of the time. My wife worked in a special experimental school in NYC with him (Lincoln Academy), a wonderful experience for her and all of the others there, too, especially the students. I wrote my first AI program for an Apple II computer for this school, which was a 'fake news' detector for learning journalism. It actually allowed kids to "gossip" about each other (within limits, of course), but internally produced a percentage likelihood that the gossip was true, based on:

  • The weight/relevance given to a person who initiated an item of "gossip"
  • The weight/relevance given to a second witness who independently initiated the same piece of gossip
  • The lower (but nevertheless additional) weight/relevance given to a random student who agreed with a certain piece of gossip
  • The weight/relevance given to a denial by the the person about whom the gossip had been initiated
  • The weight/relevance given to a denial and/or 'thumbs up' or 'thumbs down' by the editor-in-cheif, aka the classroom teacher

With some settings, not even the teacher could completely override the chance that a piece of gossip was "true." In many school environments such a program would be used by students to shame and embarrass other students who they might not like. (Which is either too dangerous, or requires constant monitoring by a teacher.) But kids at this school loved these kinds of things and didn't want to lose access by abusing them.

John Gatto is still a writer, speaker and consultant. He even wrote some of those old semi-anonymous "Monarch Notes"/"Cliff Notes" which allow students to "cheat" by only reading the summaries and overview discussions of famous works of literature. Most of his politics are abysmally wrong-headed, imo, but he's willing to think completely "outside the box" to make his point. He hates the Board of Education, for most of the right reasons, and would revamp the entire U.S. Department of Education. The school mentioned above, was started by another one of our friends who still sets up these experimental schools in California now. The success of these schools essentially proved Gatto's point by producing highly qualified students without any concern for test-taking.

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12 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

One is the Western meddling encouragement of Bolshevik revolution in Russia, as a way to affect the power balance of WWI

Excellent point, by the way, although "Western" here would mean mostly the meddling by Germany. (Which is why some Russians still say they lost to the losers when referring to Finland, Ukraine, etc.)

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1 hour ago, JW Insider said:

John Gatto is still a writer, speaker and consultant.

I tweeted to John Gatto the following. He responded with a 'like.'

I'll bet that NYS Education promo drives @realjohngatto nuts. #everyminuteofschoolmatters The poor child Tiana missed a few minutes of school and now she is dumb as a rock!

It is the most aggravating promo. My wife mentioned something I had not thought of - the image of the teacher deliberately (in her view) picking on Tiana - calling her out to humiliate her. I tweeted that to John too, but he did not respond. 

There is no way he would not agree with it, though. I think he was just tired of me. That is easy to understand. Even @The Librarian gives me a sharp rap on the knuckles now and then.

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Chapter 9 - Discipline - is complete with endnotes, but it needs some tightening. I'll have to look at it tomorrow morning when I am fresh. Then on to Chapter 10 - Governing Body.

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4 hours ago, Nana Fofana said:

I don't know if you perhaps will like these noble thoughts of this man, when he have lay out necessities of remove  all child from parent influenze?  [I hoping you will like.

Yes, it probably works. Thank you. It is but a side point. I used to have a lot of such material from our homeschooling days a while back.

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Not everything will make the cut in editing. It is always good to write far more than you will need and prune later.

I like the following two paragraphs, but decided they had to go. They are a little too self-indulgent for the Education chapter, and they champion homeschooling, which is not at all a concern of the book. They may show up somewhere someday, but shelve them as regards the present book on Russian persecution:

"Many an educated person has chosen menial work, so as to not turn his or her mind over to corporate or government interests –  ‘the Man.’ The Man may reward you materially, but he does not do so without demanding your soul. This writer stumbled across a BBC list of the top 100 important books of all time. I discovered that I had read over half – no other commenter had read more. Is it personal boasting to mention this? Hardly. Take it as an invitation to be a janitor, for it is while so employed that I ‘read’ most of them via ‘Books on Tape.’ The Man would have never granted me the time. Even in college he would not have done that. On Twitter, I came across a CEO who grumbled: “Stupid janitor forgot to leave an extra roll of toilet paper – I’m screwed.” I tweeted back: “I read 54 of the BBC’s topic 100 books as a janitor via Books on Tape. Sorry about the toilet paper.” One must think outside of the box of today’s strait-jacketed educational system, which is often little more than indoctrination into the prevalent thinking of this world.

"They wouldn’t let my homeschooled son read when he briefly forayed into public schooling - it was ever workbooks for him. When he later entered community college, they declared his math skills age-appropriate, but his reading skills “off the charts.” “I had no idea that there were so many stupid people,” he innocently remarked later. How can they not be stupid? The intellectual diet of this system of things is one of pop culture, transitory trends, and video games. He had never been denied those things; he had simply been directed to keep them in their place. And nobody on the homeschool front gave two hoots about workbooks. He could read all day if he wanted to and sometimes he did. ‘He reads?’ exclaimed a local educator – an ally – to my wife who had asked what she should do, and then ventured: “Don’t do anything” – do not mess up that formula."

Actually, maybe some parts of this I will stick in after all - weave it into other paragraphs where it will not hijack the overall theme.

9 hours ago, Nana Fofana said:

I know, because maybe you  even wrote it all yourself?

No, I didn't Nana, but I agree with all of it. I have written of it, too, only not as concisely. Thank you for it.

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10 minutes ago, Nana Fofana said:

“I read 54 of the BBC’s top 100 books

BBC: it is a great organization - Big Bob Comics! I probably read even more than 54. They were good, too.

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Help me out, Miss @The Librarian. You posted once that it was first recognized in Rutherford's time that human salvation was not the main concern, but it was the sanctification of God's name.

I looked for it. I really did. Can you point to it again?

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TTH said in one of his posts; "Also his statement that: 'translators “all approached the text [ John 1:1] already believing certain things about the Word... and made sure that the translations came out in accordance with their beliefs.”

Interesting point on John 1:1 in the catholic Diaglot - in the word for word translation of the Greek into English it says that the Word was "A GOD"............however in the column of the transliteration, (I think that is the word), it reverts back to the false teaching of the trinity, because it says "the Word WAS GOD".........I hadn't really noticed that before.....I just happened to be checking something else when I saw it.

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the Watchtower quoted from Mark A Smith's book about Christian leaders eventually conforming to secular culture. He looks at areas where that is true: divorce, gays, women's rights, abortiion. I ordered the book & cited part. He does not seem to be on Twitter or I would follow.
 
Chapter 10 - Governing Body - is endnoted, and endnotes have switched from being mostly news sources to mostly verses. Chapter 11 - Apostasy - is next. Will be done today, I hope, and a few minor rewrites.
 
I found something that will do, Miss @The Librarian. Thanks.

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Is the procedure for footnoting changing with advent of the internet? The old rules for publisher location and even page number for a book seem to no longer be sacrosanct.

The Librarian must be frothing with anger at this sacrilege.

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The Witness parent sees the evolution parade of ape-like creatures and wants to turn them around and march them back into the slime from which they came. But he must take care. WE are not the religionists that put dinosaurs on the Kentucky ark. The days of creation are not 24hrs, allowing time for some 'micro-evolution' to happen.

Since the time-frame allows for micro, why bicker with those who insist it happened that way? Let scientists be scientists and Bible teachers be Bible teachers.

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Who can say how it will ultimately turn out? I don't venture there overmuch.

But I note that if God stamped out new forms of life like Ford stamps out new Fiestas on the assembly line - well, that he could do in a literal 24-hour day. So what is the point of the aeons and epochs that are used in descibing the creative days.

It is good not to be dogmatic, is all I am saying. Don't side with them. Don't side against them. Find whatever common ground you can. If it turns out that there is some "cognitive dissonance," don't let it bother you. If there was anything to cognitive dissonance, Americans would explode watching pharma ads, with narrator insisting you must have the stuff, and voiceover saying it may kill you.

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This paragraph from 'Chapter 11 - Apostasy', I dropped:

"Emboldened, I set foot into an unambiguously opposing site – we are not supposed to do that – and I presently found why. They were so unceasingly nasty that I soon withdrew. They were not nasty at first. They were effusive in their welcome until they discovered that I had no plans to defect. Like Ezekiel with the temple, they showed me about, assuming I was there to come aboard. ‘How do you know I am here to come aboard?’ I asked. “Maybe I am here to kick butt.” I didn’t do that, of course. If you are in someone else’s domain, you must be polite. But neither did I hang around too long, and I won’t be back. Nor do I recommend the course for others. I was a bad boy – pure and simple. I learned my lesson."

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