Anti-Masturbation Training Video For Jehovah's Witnesses!

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

In any Corporation, the ONLY way to correct things that are seriously wrong, is to fire those responsible.

NOTHING else actually works !

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No mechanism exists,  to fire those responsible.

The only thing that will sustain such a system is an unlimited supply of free money.

 

[Space Merchant]

19 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Ah but the Pope is organised and so is the Archbishop, and probably most leaders of most 'Christian' religions, but it does not make them right and it does not give them God's approval. So to follow the direction of a GB that does not have God's approval and is not directed by God's holy spirit would be 'the blind leading the blind'. And how could a person, with a clear conscience, go on the ministry to try to bring more people into an Organisation which allows such wicked Child Abuse to go on. And how could such a person follow the wicked rule of shunning innocent people just because the GB says so.... Yes I agree with you, God has to show us the right Organisation to be part of, but the JW Org does not seem to measure up to it. You seem to put aside the fact that the GB proclaim to be the 'Faithful and discreet slave' and they say that no one else but them have this special communication with God. So for you to say the GB may or may not be doing a good job is rather strange if in fact you believe the proclamation they make about themselves.

The Apostolic Church was also organized. It comes down to the matter of who is striving to be like, is already like, and or attempting to be like the early church, of this order is of God's approval, as well as what Jesus entrusted the church to do.

We cannot come out of the gates and say that their direction is not approved by God, for as I told you before, God knows who is for him and who is not. If you have several people actually attempting to follow the early church, that alone should tell you something and it is easy to see what direction the early church was going for before the council itself, the teachings and practices of the church prior to the council, of which I was telling the Trinitarian, who thinks there is an afterlife, here several months ago.

And we have talked in 2-3 topics already about child abuse and such have already been explained to you, we are now on the discussion of the church and those who partake in masturbation and pornography, you are free to post any new information on the other threads, but clearly we do not want another storm here, mainly when the topic is of serious concern.

Lastly, it is common for anyone to say they are the only line of communication to God, mind you, they are Restorationist Christian, it is very, very common with them to say such and they do this because as their Apostolic roots, they are actually doing what needs to be done in order to make that claim, be is Restorationist that are of an organized religion and or a sole individual.

That being said, this is why I encourage people to learn the history of the early church, if the Agnostics can do it, so can others.

 

Also regarding to the other thing you said, you should be discerning, not going upon opinion and feelings in this regard, granted that such things are taking place with mankind as a whole.

[Space Merchant]

45 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

In any Corporation, the ONLY way to correct things that are seriously wrong, is to fire those responsible.

NOTHING else actually works !

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No mechanism exists,  to fire those responsible.

The only thing that will sustain such a system is an unlimited supply of free money.

 

Not always the case. There is always training, warning, and restrictions to be made. Sometimes a suspension and or a revoke of title, or someone being displaying an in real life problem called the ID 10t error in the work place.

Firing would depending on the person and employer and what was actually done and it is often a last resort, but others only fire out of hate, example, because the best worker in the force is a woman of color and is not liked by the boss, she can be fired for something very minor while that same mistake done by someone else who is not of color will be given a warning and or a minor suspension - other times it may not be a minor mistake, something can be made behind the scenes to "set up" the targeted person.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

50 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

In any Corporation, the ONLY way to correct things that are seriously wrong, is to fire those responsible.

NOTHING else actually works !

You are living in a fantasy world construct of your own device, Space Merchant.

I am talking about one thing ... and you have slipped into a world of something else altogether.

[Space Merchant]

4 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

I'll continue my daily Bible reading and my prayers to God and hopefully something will happen to give me some direction. Jesus foretold the destruction of Jerusalem but it was a long time (in human terms)  before it happened. Patience is required for many things. Should I expect God to answer my prayers immediately ? No of course not. Maybe i am being put to the test. Maybe God wants to know if I'm sincere. Or, maybe there will be big changes within the JW Org and it will 'cleaned out' and then have God's approval.

This you must do to continue to gain more understanding, also to keep yourself in check, in regards to doing so there will be some path that opens that leads you in the correct direction. Indeed Jesus spoke of Jerusalem and her destruction, and this gives us an example today of how people take to warning of what is to comer.

Like I said, we do not know about God's approval and or not, but the fact that they strive to follow the early church is a telltale sign, as is with ALL Restorationist, the very reason why a lot of true Christians remain in total neutrality them.

But stuff like this will continue to happen and will only continue to do so until the Son of God returns, therefore what is plaguing mankind that comes from sin itself, will continue to happen until then.

That being said, regarding masturbation and pornography, as is discussed here, those afflicted with such an addiction, it will continue onward, even among the greatest of people be it religious or not. Some give in, and some actually try to find solutions to their problems, some fail, some succeed. Going with I professed before, it is not something out of the ordinary for religious people to speak on the matter and give some advice of what to do, as well as to explain it. The very reason why I links and information to such ones who also do the same thing of which the JWs are doing, but these people are confined to a sole sub-community on the website known as reddit. Although it is solely Christian, it branches out to the community as a whole who put their differences aside because they have a common enemy - sexual immorality.

They themselves know you cannot erase sexual immortality from the world, reality and virtually, however, it does not stop them from helping and preventing some instances. When God sends Jesus to earth, only then such things will cease.

[Space Merchant]

5 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

You are living in a fantasy world construct of your own device, Space Merchant.

I am talking about one thing ... and you have slipped into a world of something else altogether.

In short, I assume you were talking about corporate firing of someone who is found to be in error in the workplace.

I wouldn't call it fantasy, this is the case with cooperate businesses and the like. I should know because I had a hand in dealing in such places and out of experience this is the case when you are a man of color in such places, mainly if such ones are aware of your background and or history, and or what race you are.

This stems into the medical field as well (also including  labor and pharmaceutical companies), whereas it is a bit harsh and far worse compared to corporate.

That being said, I assume you were talking about workplace firing and the like, the very reason I bring up what is actually a reality. I would also like to add such things can happen indirectly be those within the company and or outside of it, which will prompt targeting and or gang-stalking of the targeted individual.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

4 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

In short, I assume you were talking about corporate firing of someone who is found to be in error in the workplace.

I wouldn't call it fantasy, this is the case with cooperate businesses and the like. I should know because I had a hand in dealing in such places and out of experience this is the case when you are a man of color in such places, mainly if such ones are aware of your background and or history, and or what race you are.

This stems into the medical field as well (also including  labor and pharmaceutical companies), whereas it is a bit harsh and far worse compared to corporate.

That being said, I assume you were talking about workplace firing and the like, the very reason I bring up what is actually a reality. I would also like to add such things can happen indirectly be those within the company and or outside of it, which will prompt targeting and or gang-stalking of the targeted individual.

You have made my case FOR me, better than I could have ever done.

[TrueTomHarley]

21 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

And how could a person, with a clear conscience, go on the ministry to try to bring more people into an Organisation which allows such wicked Child Abuse to go on

A Montana court is now hearing some of these cases. The pattern is familiar. They are civil matters, not criminal matters, because almost always no crime has been committed. The ‘crime’ charged is ‘failing to go beyond the law’ in reporting allegations or actual instances of child sexual abuse.

If it is so crucial to go beyond the law, MAKE that the law everywhere. It is what Geoffrey Jackson pleaded for before the ARC. What could be simpler? Make universal mandatory reporting laws that allow for no exceptions. JWs will be delighted at that development.

The Rochester Democrat and Chronicle reported (November 20, 2011) that two thirds of professionals who ARE required to report suspected child abuse fail to do it. “Studies over the past two decades nationally have consistently shown that nearly two-thirds of professionals who are required to report all cases of suspected abuse fail to do so.....‘I think that we fail miserably in mandated reporting,’ said Monroe County Assistant District Attorney Kristina Karle.”

Why do the two thirds of professionals required by law to report child abuse fail to do it? Is it that two thirds of professionals are wicked and don't give a hoot about children? Few would say that. Most would say that there must be other factors involved to account for such a lapse. Have the two thirds all been sued or fired? Yet here we have congregation elders, who were NOT required to report, on trial for not reporting. Penalizing people for ‘not going beyond the law’ simply allows for Monday-morning quarterbacking to assign motives, invariably bad ones, to people unpopular.

The purpose of law is to codify what is right and to make an involved situation simple. That is why Brother Jackson asked for such a change. That way both parties, secular and congregation, can pursue their investigations into wrongdoing without hampering the other.

It is a dilemma that Jehovah’s Witnesses face almost alone. Few others feel the need to look into their own wrongdoing. ‘Preach to them on Sunday and let that be the end of it,’ most say. ‘Whether they do it or not is not our concern.’ Only a religion determined to remain as clean as possible in God's eyes investigates such matters itself.

Since our last engagement I have taken to kicking back at some of these articles. Sometimes I place the responses on this site as well. Such as here:

https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/topic/59889-a-reply-to-three-philadelphia-inquirer-incendiary-articles-about-child-sexual-abuse-and-jehovahs-witnesses/

and here:

https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/topic/70092-the-serena-williams-child-doesnt-do-birthdays-parts-25-and-3/

 

[JOHN BUTLER]

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

A Montana court is now hearing some of these cases. The pattern is familiar. They are civil matters, not criminal matters, because almost always no crime has been committed. The ‘crime’ charged is ‘failing to go beyond the law’ in reporting allegations or actual instances of child sexual abuse.

If it is so crucial to go beyond the law, MAKE that the law everywhere. It is what Geoffrey Jackson pleaded for before the ARC. What could be simpler? Make universal mandatory reporting laws that allow for no exceptions. JWs will be delighted at that development.

The Rochester Democrat and Chronicle reported (November 20, 2011) that two thirds of professionals who ARE required to report suspected child abuse fail to do it. “Studies over the past two decades nationally have consistently shown that nearly two-thirds of professionals who are required to report all cases of suspected abuse fail to do so.....‘I think that we fail miserably in mandated reporting,’ said Monroe County Assistant District Attorney Kristina Karle.”

Why do the two thirds of professionals required by law to report child abuse fail to do it? Is it that two thirds of professionals are wicked and don't give a hoot about children? Few would say that. Most would say that there must be other factors involved to account for such a lapse. Have the two thirds all been sued or fired? Yet here we have congregation elders, who were NOT required to report, on trial for not reporting. Penalizing people for ‘not going beyond the law’ simply allows for Monday-morning quarterbacking to assign motives, invariably bad ones, to people unpopular.

The purpose of law is to codify what is right and to make an involved situation simple. That is why Brother Jackson asked for such a change. That way both parties, secular and congregation, can pursue their investigations into wrongdoing without hampering the other.

It is a dilemma that Jehovah’s Witnesses face almost alone. Few others feel the need to look into their own wrongdoing. ‘Preach to them on Sunday and let that be the end of it,’ most say. ‘Whether they do it or not is not our concern.’ Only a religion determined to remain as clean as possible in God's eyes investigates such matters itself.

Since our last engagement I have taken to kicking back at some of these articles. Sometimes I place the responses on this site as well. Such as here:

https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/topic/59889-a-reply-to-three-philadelphia-inquirer-incendiary-articles-about-child-sexual-abuse-and-jehovahs-witnesses/

and here:

https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/topic/70092-the-serena-williams-child-doesnt-do-birthdays-parts-25-and-3/

 

So, is it true that the GB started gathering documents about Child Abuse / pedophilia accusations, from all congregations in the USA from 1997 and that this is ongoing ? Then is it true that the GB or its legal departments refused to hand these documents over the the Supreme Court of California ? Is it also true that the Organisation was fined around $2 million for not handing over the documents ? Doesn't  the scriptures say to 'be obedient to the law of the land unless it conflicts with God's laws' ? Surely God would not want the Organisation to remain  unclean ?  ......  Then again is it true that the GB or its Legal dept' agreed on massive (secret amount) payouts to the two men (ex Brothers)  regarding the child abuse they suffered whilst in the 'truth' ?  And who's money did the GB use to make these massive payouts ? ....  But you say 'no crimes have been committed'... And in Canada is it true that a 66 million dollar lawsuit is in the process, against the JW Org because of Child Abuse  /pedophilia ? I won't ask about here in the UK or in the Netherlands. Perhaps it was the reports of Child Abuse being so regular that made the GB  take action in 1997...  As for this stupid argument as to what the law states or does not state, its totally irrelevant. JW's should know what is right in God's eyes without needing a man made law. And talking of law it seems there is some proof that a brother (of some importance in the Org) here in the UK actually told brothers to destroy documents about Child Abuse accusations "because satan is coming after the organisation". Um destroying evidence is surely illegal in man's law, and against God's 'laws too. I have read in scripture that if a man has some information regarding a 'crime' or bad deed, if he withholds that information it is a sin for him. It is as bad as deliberately telling lies. .... It matters not what any other organisation does. Religious or business, legal or illegal.......  People, brothers or otherwise, should not be considered collateral damage within the JW ORG, just to keep the pretence of cleanliness. 

So I will repeat my comment which you answered on. 

And how could a person, with a clear conscience, go on the ministry to try to bring more people into an Organisation which allows such wicked Child Abuse to go on ? 

[JOHN BUTLER]

3 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

In any Corporation, the ONLY way to correct things that are seriously wrong, is to fire those responsible.

NOTHING else actually works !

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

No mechanism exists,  to fire those responsible.

The only thing that will sustain such a system is an unlimited supply of free money.

 

Are you saying that the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses have such total control of the Organisation that they could not be removed ?  Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.... But, as Jesus said, with God all things are possible.  

[JOHN BUTLER]

3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

This you must do to continue to gain more understanding, also to keep yourself in check, in regards to doing so there will be some path that opens that leads you in the correct direction. Indeed Jesus spoke of Jerusalem and her destruction, and this gives us an example today of how people take to warning of what is to comer.

Like I said, we do not know about God's approval and or not, but the fact that they strive to follow the early church is a telltale sign, as is with ALL Restorationist, the very reason why a lot of true Christians remain in total neutrality them.

But stuff like this will continue to happen and will only continue to do so until the Son of God returns, therefore what is plaguing mankind that comes from sin itself, will continue to happen until then.

That being said, regarding masturbation and pornography, as is discussed here, those afflicted with such an addiction, it will continue onward, even among the greatest of people be it religious or not. Some give in, and some actually try to find solutions to their problems, some fail, some succeed. Going with I professed before, it is not something out of the ordinary for religious people to speak on the matter and give some advice of what to do, as well as to explain it. The very reason why I links and information to such ones who also do the same thing of which the JWs are doing, but these people are confined to a sole sub-community on the website known as reddit. Although it is solely Christian, it branches out to the community as a whole who put their differences aside because they have a common enemy - sexual immorality.

They themselves know you cannot erase sexual immortality from the world, reality and virtually, however, it does not stop them from helping and preventing some instances. When God sends Jesus to earth, only then such things will cease.

In honesty I don't think the masturbation problem is such a problem in God's eyes. To some humans that want to judge others, masturbation can be used as an excuse to judge, and could possibly be big business for 'shrinks'.. As for the JW's Governing Body, i think the masterbation video and other info' is just a 'smoke screen' or side track, to take the pressure off the serious problems within the Org. If the GB can pretend to be concerned about the cleanliness of the Org then it will look good for them in front of man. But of course God sees through such things. 

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

As for this stupid argument as to what the law states or does not state, its totally irrelevant.

200%+ agree