Anti-Masturbation Training Video For Jehovah's Witnesses!

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

2 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Well you can just simply say Mulatto because based on this response, that is what I am seeing.

What you are seeing is NOT actually what is there.

[JOHN BUTLER]

5 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

there are many things that are stupid, that Jehovah has not spoken against.

Its called FREEDOM.

I personally would rail against smoking because it is stupid, suicidal, addiction to drugs, and expensive, but NOT extrapolate and put words into Jehovah's Mouth that he did not speak.

The Society's policies often are a VERY good idea (sometimes NOT) ..... adherence where they espoused Bible counsel correctly, saved my life, integrity,  and health many times .... but when I used to Scuba Dive, Skydive, Surfboard, ride a motorcycle, and explore the Congo (working), and other things, opinions vary as to their advisability, and I considered their overreaching  just being busybodies, forbidding to others what scared them for the sake of total control of EVERYTHING.

(Sad, cringeworthy joke: "Everything that is not forbidden ... is mandatory".)

Jehovah spoke against becoming a drunkard many times .... and I seem to remember,  even against "druggery"..

What is "druggery", anyway? 

And who decides?

If Jehovah did not explicitly say that ... I personally would not make the Almighty God my personal agenda spokesman hand puppet.

However, "Quod est Necessarium, est Licitum" (That which is necessary, is legal). If someone smoked, say marijuana for glaucoma to preserve their eyesight, or to lessen the pain from cancer, I personally think that prohibition would NOT apply.

I am willing to bet my LIFE on that.

My mother and father died slow, from cancer.  If someone was dying and in great pain from disease or injury, being addicted to morphine I personally consider that drug addiction to be quite acceptable.

If they got "high" from it, it would be a side effect.  NOT "druggary" at all.

TRUE Theology ALWAYS has to make common sense !

 

Qoute : 'forbidding to others what scared them for the sake of total control of EVERYTHING'.

Wow does this mean you actually agree with me ? I've been saying the GB go beyond the things written because they want total control. And I've also been saying the GB are like the Pharisees adding extra burdens to the congregants. So am i right ? 

As for the word Theology, I hate the word as much as I hate the word Religion. 

Common sense is man's thinking. Serving God the way God wants to be served is God's thinking. Two totally different things.  And the word religion is just a pigeon hole that people seem to need to use. Such as, What religion are you ? It means nothing, just a tick box for convenience. 

 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

If while readin' my posts, John, you keep your thumb on the left side of the monitor as you scroll down, you will not lose your place.

I throw my lot in with Jehovah's Witnesses ... not so much because I agree with them, but because generally, they agree with ME. 

I only claim to be a Barbarian, interested in Justice, Truth, and the Theocratic Way.

Oh yes ... I almost forgot .... God's thinking makes perfect common sense, as TRUE theology must.

Corporate interpretations .... sometimes yes ...... sometimes no.

If I am wrong, I must pay the full price for my being wrong.

If THEY are wrong, I STILL pay that full price, whatever it is.

They pay no price whatsoever for totally screwing up other peoples' lives, when they are wrong.

[JOHN BUTLER]

15 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I admit I have never seen it as the GB placing a heavy burden on people by informing young men that masturbation is not the bees’ knees.

Ah but is it the GB's thinking or God's thinking, this is the whole point ? 

Can they give direct scripture where God states such ?  If there is no scripture then are they going beyond the things written ? If so they are adding burden to God's word. 

Surely there is enough pressure for any true servant of God to deal with, without making them feel guilty in an extra way. And as I've said before it might just make some younger people stumble, by thinking that the GB is putting on pressure whilst allowing 'other things' to go unpunished. 

They may see double standards and be stumbled to the point of quitting the JW Org. 

 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

35 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

They may see double standards and be stumbled to the point of quitting the JW Org.  

At Warwick Watchtower World Headquarters they have a very large lake on the property, with a huge remote controlled powered  valve on the bottom, ostensibly to release flood waters with the throw of a switch, when they get too high.

" Ours is a terrible religion. The fleets of the world could swim in spacious comfort in the innocent blood it has spilt."     (Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / Reflections on Religion / 1906)

"The church is always trying to get other people to reform; it might not be a bad idea to reform itself a little, by way of example."   (Mark Twain / 1835-1910 /A Tramp Abroad)

[JOHN BUTLER]

4 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

At Warwick Watchtower World Headquarters they have a very large lake on the property, with a huge remote controlled powered  valve on the bottom, ostensibly to release flood waters when they get too high.

" Ours is a terrible religion. The fleets of the world could swim in spacious comfort in the innocent blood it has spilt."     (Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / Reflections on Religion / 1906)

As with most on here you never answer my questions directly and a lot of your comments make no real sense. Yes i guess you visit this site for a bit of fun as many of us do, but a few straight answers might be helpful sometimes. I can take any criticism and kick backs but straight answers and nice... 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

It is my job to help you THINK.

It is NOT my job to supply you with answers.

[JOHN BUTLER]

4 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Indeed because as I told you before, as well as here and now that I do deal with people who have these addictions, as well as those who have other issues, perhaps far greater compared to most, to which I even made mention to you a number of times, so it is not a surprise for me to speak and or react as such, granted I myself being someone, as do many in who are in the same position, to speak on and give information on the matter to better and or help someone.

The very reason why I asked you earlier: what are you contributing to helping prevent masturbation and pornography addiction, how would you deal with a young one who nearly did something very, very grave because of the addiction?

What help can you provide what it seems others cannot? How is  it you consider helping others in this domain a smoke screen when everyone is doing the same thing in order to combat the problem? I again 2 2 of the communities branch sites out of a dozen, nothing here is a smoke screen. What JWs have brought up in their help video is no different from what is being found and read here, the very reason I told someone earlier look up pillows here and see what results you will get, you will found out here that people do have problems:

• https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/
• https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFapChristians/

Another, of which I mentioned to Srecko Sostar in another post: http://www.rebootnation.org/forum/index.php

perhaps a fourth: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/

The list goes on because there is a HUGE community, regardless of race, religion, sex, culture, etc, are fighting this same big problem to the point differences are put aside. For at times even someone you dislike will come to common ground with you to deal with something that is a problem, and we hit the root of it too and help out those that are in suffering because of it.

And if you continue to read further on, you will see responses in regards to masturbation and pornography, and what has been said.

Those that help such ones in this domain do not get paid to help people deal with such an addiction, we do so because we want them to not dwell in sexual immortality and or excessive masturbation, the very reason why our time and resources is used in order to accomplish this. To think people get paid for this, to aid others, is a bit silly. As far as I am concern, those links I provided, we do not see anyone getting paid to help a person who is afflicted with sexual immortality.

We help people deal with this addiction because we do not want them to be shackled by masturbation and pornography, mainly for those who have been dealing with the problem to the point it is borderline out of control whereas far more worse things, greater sin can be committed, as is provided an in real life example already if you seen my other response, even further back, more examples.

All persons, religious and non-religious will speak of this matter because as a whole, they see this an a big issue in a world that is accepting sexual immorality as if it is normal, I am sure you also see this with your eyes in what you are professing about a common problem taking place in religious and education institutions, its everywhere, not secluded to a single person and or group.

Surely if they taught sodomy to children (which they are doing recently, i.e. Teen Vogue Magazines), you would react, some of us will react to the point we will speak against the teaching of sodomy to children, this also goes for things far worse that is being pushed on to young ones and teens, the same can be said of the many of us who fight against those who take up what young people tend to like and twist it into something immoral and unclean, the very reason I made mention to several things in this regard to add on to what Anna was saying, for this is a reality when it comes to the selling of sexual immortality on the internet and catering to those they target and those who stumble upon it.

Helping someone to kick the habit isn't messing with people's heads. What is messing with people's heads is telling young people, teenagers and young adults that masturbation and pornography is okay, when in reality it is not. Telling those subjected to the sex addiction found within otaku culture is normal is wrong, for in reality, it is a problem.

I do not see any wrong in helping someone kick the habit, granted of how many people who have been helped to do so seen improvement in their lives and I have heard testimony from many, many, many people, and it isn't me alone - the very reason I even posted previously of someone who's addiction nearly led him to commit sexual relations with a woman, only to dodge a bullet by his own revelation to make the change, thus becoming a mentor in the process to fight sexual immortality with those who follow him, all of which are in connection to the community as a whole that is against sexual immorality. That my friend, isn't messing with people's head and such ones are not shrinks.

You said before you read the Bible, the Bible tells you, clearly, on what sexual immorality is and what pertains to it. Such as sexual relations that is unlawful, adultery, sexual relations among people who are unmarried/not wed-locked, prostitution, bestiality, homosexuality, Sodomy, and other brazen conduct that some have upgraded overtime that is far to explicit to say and will make you perhaps shield your eyes and barricade your conscience, for such things are that spiritually unclean, as well as greatly unclean in the realm of morality. The Bible does speak on such matters, and as for God Himself, take to His Word, for instance, Deuteronomy 22:13-25 - Laws Concerning Sexual Immorality, Leviticus 18 - Unlawful Sexual Relations, Leviticus 20:10-16 - Punishments for Sexual Immorality, etc. We also have passages in the Greek New Testament, and clearly Apostle Paul was not shy of speaking on the matter himself, for instance, Acts 15:29, Galatians 5:19, Or perhaps in the four gospel accounts, examples like Matthew 5:32, or Matthew 19:9,or maybe Revelations 14:8, 17:2, and 18:3. That wasn't even using cross-references for these verse either.

The viewing of pornography and masturbation gives a negative attitude and such a thing is a corruption the mind. It causes people to think very very differently mainly when it comes to the though for sexual relations to the point they see an individual as nothing more than a sex object, they do not even see you as a human should the addiction continues to grow.

Sex itself becomes separated from love between a married man and woman, for due to the problem of which is being spoken of, such is reduced to pleasure and relieving sexual tension, and in feeds into the neurotransmitter of the body known as dopamine - you feed the mind sin, an the mind will continue to ask you for more sin, therefore, throwing verses like Colossians 3:5 out the window at this point.

That being said, it is not unexpected for someone to tell others of what is in the right and what is in the wrong, mainly give it is given as a warning and or advice.

Telling people to abstain from Sexual Immortality, no matter how cringe, boring and and or repetitive the message is, is not being like that of a Pharisee. Moreover, you are misusing the context of that verse of which you speak, for no one is adding an extra burden, mainly when it comes to helping those with an addictive habit that is equal to smoking/drug addiction and or those who are struggling to not fall.

Take listen to this verse because if you do not do nothing, mainly when your brother and or sister is committing these acts [masturbation and viewing pornography] and clearly has a problem, of which you are probably knowing of, you yourself can commit sin if you know what he or she is doing is right and to not aid the person.

• James 4: 17 - So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

That is why I asked you the question early, should it be found among your household and or circle of friends and or relatives, regardless of their background and or faith, what would you have done if such one is either suffering of this addiction or, knowing they are doing this and practicing such willfully. I advise you read up more in anything and everything in relation to sexual immorality in Scripture, as well as take a good look at people who are dealing with this problem, an wanting to break free of the chains this problem puts on them.

In my case, for 9 years now, I haven't turned a blind eye to those, young and old who are dealing with this problem, for leaving them hanging like that is pretty much being in failure, that is how some would say, leaving a solider behind in the field of combat when you yourself knows that solider is alive still. Culture-wise, in my case of which I am molded by, no one is left behind, and I put this into application when it comes to people who suffer from masturbation and pornography addiction, remembering Jesus' lessons, which a bit of it can be picked up from John 13:2-14, I put them first, wanting to see that they conquer the addiction.

Help your brother, help your sister, put them first before you, above you even when it comes to helping them out. 

For God knows who is with him and who is against him. He knows of whom he approves, and whom he does not approve, and we know who will be judged, and who will not be judged.

Some on here say i go completely off topic. But this post is not about masturbation and pornography on the bigger scale of things, its about the Video the GB of JW Org may have made. So it seems you have gone off topic, and it could be said that you are using the topic to tell how much work you do concerning the subject. However, the topic is not about how seriously you take it, it is about the JW Video.  

So when you ask me what am i doing about it all, I give no reply, as it would be off topic. But in reality i don't go asking people if they masturbate and why. It is none of my business what others do in that respect. 

[JOHN BUTLER]

9 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

It is my job to help you THINK.

It is NOT my job to supply you with answers.

What is known as a 'wind up merchant' then. 

 

[Jack Ryan]

Evidently this is a widespread problem

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

In the REAL world, there are many much more important things to worry about ... like Hiroshima and Nagasaki, etc.

The Governing Body Helpers have told us that two naked Bethel brothers sitting in chairs facing each other, both masturbating at the same time is NOT PORNIA.

That worries me ... not some Japanese guy with a pillow.

... a Japanese guy with a bayonet ... different story.

 

2 CHAIR pORNEA .mp4

[Matthew9969]

Where do they come up with this stuff? experience? do the governing body, is that how they get their board meetings started?