JW Women and Teaching

[Space Merchant]

@Srecko Sostar Whatever a man can do, woman can do also. However regarding the church, women can be ministries and preachers, they cannot take up the position of an bishop, elder, pastor and or other, the ONLY TIME they can do this is if all pastors, elders, and or other are not present in the church and or purged from service, this was the case when ISIS was a far bigger threat in the Middle East killing the young and older men, the women and girls were taken as wives and or sex slaves, those who escape continue on for those who cannot lead, for such ones are either held captive and or saved for execution, example, would be what took place in 2016 whereas US American allies left a Christian town in the hands of ISIS, Syrian Christians almost got this kind of treatment regarding US ally, Israel, which resulted Syrian Christians to run and seek protection from the leader of Syria and Marshal, Bashar al-Assad (بشار الأسد).

Now let us put you in another example, Srecko: You are a pastor of a church (Syrianic Church of Hashem-yahuh) somewhere near Yabrud, Syria, you have a total of 22 grown males, young adults to elderly, out of that 22 you have 5 older men under you. There are children amounting to 20 young boys, and 15 young girls, as well as 18 older women ranging from young to elderly, half of that amount are married to several of the men in your church.

Head of the Church: Pastor Srecko Sostar, you are 1 in total

22 older men, 5 among them are higher rank and are right under you as both ministers and church servant (Stewards)

18 Women, half of them married

20 Boys

15 Girls

The Total being: 76 members

The Government issued all men for military service and you and all the males of your church refuse, amounting to you and the others, totaling to 23 people being forced out of their homes and or the church. You and the other men are in prison now and it is only the women and children of the church because their is no pastor, no stewards and or servants, the women, the among them is able to take charge until you or any of the men return, granted this is Syria (In the midst of Rebel Conflict), you'll be in jail for a while.

Only then a wide and older women can take up such a position, but out of respect of God's Law and the fact that the head of the Woman is the man, she must cover herself.

So in a way, women do have roles, but clearly cannot have a role that a man has, unless the situation calls for it. Take all the men out of the Churches and leave only women, you will see the end result. What is an accursed practice is giving a position to women even though the men are present, something of which today's Churches do, therefore it can be said our church father are rolling in their graves for the practice is outlandish when no grim situation has befell the Church.

Other than that, whatever men can do, women can do also, however in the realm of God's Laws, women can do things a man can do as long as it respects the very Laws of God, and done so in utter respect to the head of the Christ, being God, and to Jesus himself because he is the Head of the Church.

[Srecko Sostar]

38 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

our church father are rolling in their graves

so after all.... there is a life after death :)))))

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

5 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

6 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

our church father are rolling in their graves

so after all.... there is a life after death :)))))

I checked ... they are being rotated on a brimstone rotisserie.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

Could be worse .... when women are substituting for men in a church, instead of a head covering, they COULD have to wear Ronald McDonald shoes.

Guess which Sister is the Substitute Congregation Coordinator?

[Space Merchant]

7 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

so after all.... there is a life after death :)))))

It's a figure of speech and or expression, common to American folk and some in the EU, read about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_in_one's_grave

If that were the literal case then perhaps a zombie apocalypse would take place, an absurd idea. That being said, you really need to learn what is literal and what is a figure of speech, it is elementary. For instance, I can say my car sings better than Céline Dion because of my new engine, it tends to burst in song, clearly, a vehicle, a car, isn't really singing vocally let alone having a vocal capability to literally sing.

 

Not literal because stuff like that is seen in cartoons and or stories that are not real:

Sentence: Rook's God a new engine for his car and let me tell you man, his car can sing better than the skilled opera singer.

Not Real:

Reality:

 

 

That being said, there is no life after death and or the so called Afterlife, nor is there Immortal Souls for humans are not spirits and or become spirits.

[Space Merchant]

1 hour ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Could be worse .... when women are substituting for men in a church, instead of a head covering, they COULD have to wear Ronald McDonald shoes.

Guess which Sister is the Substitute Congregation Coordinator?

Clearly not number 2 because that looks and appears to be the rival of The Burger King, also we cannot tell if any of them is wearing a head covering.

The only thing that is bad about being a religious man and persecuted is 75% of the time you will be killed, the other 25% is being imprison. Which tends to be the case overseas.

 

Other than that, they have to cover their heads, even if a situation like this takes place, they must continue in the faith, as well as be very adhering to what is written.

 

But here is a Pilot Twist for you: What if the men AND women were taken?

Certainly Ronald McDonald's shoes (size 18) are way too big for any child to wear.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

That is WAAAAaaay beyond size 18 ...  I myself wear a size 16.

[Srecko Sostar]

6 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

It's a figure of speech and or expression,

here also :))

[Srecko Sostar]

16 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

this was the case when ISIS was a far bigger threat in the Middle East killing the young and older men, the women and girls were taken as wives and or sex slaves,

....why this make memory on some Bible reports and Mosaic Law that giving permission to Israel soldiers doing the very same thing. To capture virgins after they killed all males. ... maybe because Middle East is connection and blood relationship, kinship of tribes from ancient times.      

[Srecko Sostar]

Although the Bible in its text contains a lot of male nouns for God, it also contains nouns that describe God in the form of a woman (female).
Bible scholars in the WT organization teach that God does not have sex (which would mean that God is neither male nor female).
On the other hand, the first book of the Bible says that God created the first man and woman in his own image, in his own likeness. From this it is easy to conclude that God, the Creator has the characteristics of both sexes (so-called male and female traits, features) because all those characteristics came from God who has all traits that exist in form of male and female creatures.

There is a very large resistance, in society, when a person wants to change their sex (gender) or love more then one woman. God created, says the Bible, all in this world. He created creatures that are monogamist and bigamist. He created those who sometimes show homosexual tendencies. But he also created those creatures that change their sex throughout their lives. So, for Him nothing can make surprise.

If God created a male and female as He Himself, any division in a formats that are characteristic of/for some religious organizations is completely wrong.

[Space Merchant]

On 8/3/2018 at 7:30 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

....why this make memory on some Bible reports and Mosaic Law that giving permission to Israel soldiers doing the very same thing. To capture virgins after they killed all males. ... maybe because Middle East is connection and blood relationship, kinship of tribes from ancient times.      

I am speaking about modern times of stuff like this is happening. One, out of several, of my sources, solely based on this matter, who goes by the name Syrian Girl, real name, Maram Susli (Mimi al-Laham), who is very credible in the information on anything in relation to things in he Middle East, her primary focus being Syria. At times when she is way too informative, it results in those who have attempted several times to wipe out all she has said, luckily, those who adhere to this information, is able to keep this truth alive and thriving. This was the same case with another, like her who goes by the name Serena Shim, who was murdered by supporting US allies when she discovered critical information on ISIS - therefore there are many like myself who are avid truth seekers. I myself have been researching the Middle East and parts of the EU for 6 years now and only took upon this path out of curiosity to what a US General, Wesley Clark, had said.

That being said, The current situation has nothing to do with The Mosaic Law, for every True Christian is under a New Law since the death of the Christ, The New Covenant, or as some call it, The Law of Christ (Law of the Christ). Current day Israel's only concern is Iran, and even today, Israel will target any Palestinian Christian they wish, and it does not go well for them, mainly those who find out what the Israeli government is all about and what they are doing, with the backing of several allies, 2 of them being the US and the UK being on the forefront.

Well this other part is both true and false. What usually happens is they around up the men and execute them, the boys they either take them to kill, rape and or turn them into soldiers for their cause by force and threat of death, of them and or any living family member, so in a sense, like a bloody ransom with no positive outcome because everyone knows, you cannot trust someone who is radicalized for terror. The women, either they had sexual relations with a man or remain as virgins, are taken, regardless, and they range from young girls to older women, at times, only sometimes they kill any leftover girls or women, and will most likely kill any girl or woman who had already sexual relations with a man, of which an execution is only by chance, this excludes bombings which takes out a crowd of people. This has also led to some women, abandoning their faith, self-excommunicating themselves to become militants, some of them will maintain their faith but have a sense of regret for now being a rifle wielding defender, but they have no choice because they have an enemy out there that seeks to devour them.

In some areas, Christian men tend to be absent, which is the case today in some parts dealing with Terrorism and Bad government. This actually results in women taking and or covering the place of a man in the church itself, so for instance, a pastor and 3 servants, all being males were either captured and or killed by members of ISIS. Because there is no one to replace these 4 men and clearly a child cannot take such a position, older women of that church would have to take over and continue, mainly any women who has the experience to take up this role, at the same time, because they are a women, they must cover themselves in total respects to God and his Law.

As for Tribes, they had since spread out, and are existing today.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Although the Bible in its text contains a lot of male nouns for God, it also contains nouns that describe God in the form of a woman (female).

Most likely for god(s) and or godlike ones, for female is usually said to be goddess. You also have to remember in both Hebrew and Greek a noun and or verb is always associated with something, and nowhere is it seen in the Bible that a feminine noun is associated with The God (θεός) for it is always Masculine - YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, Abba, Father, Hashem, etc is and will always been Masculine.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Bible scholars in the WT organization teach that God does not have sex (which would mean that God is neither male nor female).

That is because God is a Spirit Person (John 4:24, 1 Corinthians 3:17, 1 Timothy 1:17, Hebrews 11:27), he is not like a man or like a son of man (Numbers 23:19, 1 Samuel 15:29), nor is he men like us (Job 9:32). God is male, and whenever you see Yahweh/Jehovah/YHWH/YHVH (יְהֹוָה), whenever you see Father, The one whom Sent Jesus, or simply put, God/The God of, etc. it is associated as Masculine and of which it is associated with is a male person, in this case, the Father who is a Spirit, for he is YHWH.

I mean, seeing this should be obvious: יְהֹוָה, it is a Proper Name, also known as the Personal and or Divine name of God, the Name from the Tetragrammaton.

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

On the other hand, the first book of the Bible says that God created the first man and woman in his own image, in his own likeness. From this it is easy to conclude that God, the Creator has the characteristics of both sexes (so-called male and female traits, features) because all those characteristics came from God who has all traits that exist in form of male and female creatures.

Indeed, but you forget that God has made companion and or mate for male animals, and he did so for the first man, a male, Adam. He had Adam go into a deep sleep and took a rib from his body and create Eve.

To be specific, God said Let Us (Jesus was with him at the time) make Man in our image, he began with the creation of man, thus making Adam, we do not see Eve until very later on and it is unknown of how long Adam lived by himself before God had created Eve.

For image simply look at the references (1 Corinthians 11:7) and for likeness (Genesis 5:1, James 3:9). It should be straightforward as in how we are made in God's image and likeness, for instance, we have patience, for God is patience, he put this in us, as well as mildness, anything connecting and or pertaining to the Fruits of the Spirit, as a side-note, what is not mentioned in Galatians, but equals to all these things mention is humility, a common trick question, which is like a secret and or hidden truth. Jesus also expressed this same likeness, these qualities, that his Father has, and so do we.

As for the last sentence of what you said, that is an incorrect analogy, mainly if you put together scriptural facts. Both male and female can display humility because God has that, both of them can express love and patience because God has that.

God has never been seen at all by any man and even if that was possible, a man would die for God's glory is just that great and He, his glory, cannot even be contained. The only ones to have seen God is Spirit Beings, and Jesus himself, so we cannot jump the gun to say his traits and or features when clearly we never seen him. We can only see his Purpose and Will by means of Jesus, for if you see the Son you see the Father, for it is the Father who abides in the Son and it is The Father who is doing the works.

7 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

There is a very large resistance, in society, when a person wants to change their sex (gender) or love more then one woman. God created, says the Bible, all in this world. He created creatures that are monogamist and bigamist. He created those who sometimes show homosexual tendencies. But he also created those creatures that change their sex throughout their lives. So, for Him nothing can make surprise.

That is because the changing of sex, same-sex marriage and or anything that is in connection with breaking God's Law is not tolerated at all. Granted JWs are Restorationist, they are very strict on this, this is also the case with both the denominational and the non-denominational. It was also not intended for males to grown female reproductive organs and females to grow reproductive organs by means of overdosing on Testosterone and or other drugs made for this sole purpose. And now that you mention it, there are those who have 100% success, woe to the man that despite to date a woman only to find out the woman is not truly a woman at all.

Granted with the Origins of Marriage and what was enacted prior to Jesus' birth, a man can only be with one woman and a woman can only be with one man, 2 yoked together. Polygamy (this also goes for Bigamy) is not suppose to be a practice among Christians. One can argue that it came about after The Original Ancestral Sin, since there was a few people on the earth, but that was before the times the church and Christians came about and during those days, Polygamy was frowned upon, prior to Jesus and afterwards - hence the Christian marriage arrangement.

Christians are able to re-marry, should a spouse passes away and or if a legitimate reason for a divorce is in place, clearly not for those silly situations of who is dealing with the bills.

Homosexual tendencies never began with God, for if it did, what was the reason to Eve existing in the first place? Let alone want happen afterwards? Homosexual tendencies came about by the people themselves and we can see this in the account of Sodom and Gomorrah as well as Nineveh. God never intended for us to change our sex in our lives.

God not being surprised? We cannot be saying that. Clearly God's reaction to a woman removing her own reproductive system using drugs, which allows the growing of a male reproductive system and removing, God's reaction will be the same as he was with Molech worshipers (fire torment practitioners) and the actions of those in Sodom and Gomorah, people forget that God has emotions, and can enact such emotions, so clearly this practice of changing sex would sadden him and will anger him just as a man can be sad, shocked and angered only to find out Becky is really (was originally) Bob.

7 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

If God created a male and female as He Himself, any division in a formats that are characteristic of/for some religious organizations is completely wrong.

Wrong as in what? If God, the molder, has humility, love, and a list of other motions, such is passed off to both male and female, who are molded by the molder (Creator to Creation). We are in His image and likeness, and the Bible makes it explicitly clear as to what such conveys, the very reason cross-references ARE in the Bible.

On 8/3/2018 at 4:33 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

here also :))

Sorry, I do not understand what you mean by that. Figure and or an Expression of speech is what it is. Unless you were being sarcastic, that would be understandable and make more sense.

[Space Merchant]

On 8/2/2018 at 11:31 PM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

That is WAAAAaaay beyond size 18 ...  I myself wear a size 16.

Probably, my calculations look silly after I seen this image:

 

Other than that, women, taking over for men, it seems will more of like a book/reading-club-sque like fashion, after doing some research, it appears as this is the case, head coverings included. Since JWs do not have pews, having chairs instead, they can move them around easily, have it set up in a circle motion (musical chairs like fashion).