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WT: Damaris rejects a scholarship and chooses to work in a bank instead because she PLANNED to become a pioneer. If she planned to pioneer, why did she even apply for university in the first place?

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Surely a university didn’t randomly approach her and give her a scholarship? ?

This week's WT-study:

The Watchtower - April 2018 - "Young People, Are You Focused on Spiritual Goals?"

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Watchtower is trying to influence those who might be thinking about a university level education to drop the idea, based on simplistic and anecdotal information

First, lawyers are usually not talking to bank staff - the lawyer's assistant is.

Second, what lawyer ever says: "I'm so unhappy," especially to some random person at a bank.

That doesn't invalidate the reality that just because one person noticed that some of the millions of people who followed the career path are unhappy, does not mean that it is wrong to follow that career path or that anyone who does will be unhappy. Flawed reasoning at its worst. Notice I did not say logic, because there is no logic to their reasoning.

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They cut the ending off a little prematurely.

"My decision to pioneer helped me sidestep frustration, straight into manic depression, and have existed there for the past 15 years, and will most likely remain there untiL I die. Not unless I commit suicide to get out the the absolute hell hole ive been in all this time - I can see no way out of.

I gave up my youth, my education, my family, my career goals to pioneer, to stand now beside a cart.

If i could talk to myself again, I would tell myself to run...run and never look back.

If i could tell the young ones reading this article, one thing to learn from my experience.....

Run, run and never look back. You have time, i dont."

THE END.

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2 hours ago, Jack Ryan said:

"My decision to pioneer helped me sidestep frustration, straight into manic depression, and have existed there for the past 15 years, and will most likely remain there untiL I die. Not unless I commit suicide to get out the the absolute hell hole ive been in all this time - I can see no way out of.

I gave up my youth, my education, my family, my career goals to pioneer, to stand now beside a cart.

If i could talk to myself again, I would tell myself to run...run and never look back.

If i could tell the young ones reading this article, one thing to learn from my experience.....

Run, run and never look back. You have time, i dont."

THE END

I knew it was you who had that experience. That's what gives it such credibilaty! I mean, credability! Or do I mean, credibilalitie! (I wish I had stayed at college and not gone on that cart!!)

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This would suggest, higher education was not needed to work with what was available back in the day. Since humanity has changed? Then, higher education is needed for all the technological advancements that weren’t around.

Its moves with the sign of the times. However, if someone desires spiritual growth, who can decide how someone should follow Christ as a poor man, that needed nothing but the generosity of others, and he gave the same advice to his apostles, that followed his teachings to the very end in the same fashion, even though some were successful.

Therefore, where is it said, that life is a guarantee for someone’s success. If there is? Where is it, so everyone can sign up.

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2014/08/07/335285098/rich-kid-poor-kid-for-30-years-baltimore-study-tracked-who-gets-ahead

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7 hours ago, Jack Ryan said:

That doesn't invalidate the reality that just because one person noticed that some of the millions of people who followed the career path are unhappy, does not mean that it is wrong to follow that career path or that anyone who does will be unhappy. Flawed reasoning at its worst. Notice I did not say logic, because there is no logic to their reasoning.

Surprinsingly I agree with you this time ?

Happiness has to do with many different issues, particularly internal issues of everyone. 

 

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Exactly, for instance, in some banks in Central America I know you have to get higher education to work in banks unless you work as a cleaning person. And I do not know about part time jobs in banks. I do not know either what Damaris does at the bank ?

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My daughter has a part time job in a major bank ... as a teller.

With a Law degree she could have a part time job at the same major bank as a mortgage specialists or legal department, etc. for about 4 to 7 times the pay.

I have gotten jobs where there was NO OPENINGS, but because of my skill sets, they CREATED a job for me.

One time I spent six months working on whatever interested me at full pay, waiting for them to find a suitable project.

I looked very busy studying structural engineering.

Earlier in my life, with few skills ... I could not BUY a job ... and nearly starved.

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Once again, who can guarantee someone’s success? If a person is happy? Why does it matter? If a wealthy individual is happy contributing with their personal time to do charity work, instead of spreading the wealth? Then why should it matter? If a poor woman gave everything she had (2 cents) while rich people only gave because it was extra? Then who will God appreciate as he did with Cain and Abel?

How should success be measured?

Can we quantify success from those that cheat to pass college? How about those that are guaranteed high college scores because of the advantage they have with their parentÂ’s reputation. How about people like Bernard Madoff that stole anywhere from 50-65 billion of investorsÂ’ money, and his children attended good colleges, and yet, Mark Madoff ended up committing suicide. Why? While, all the money in the world couldnÂ’t save Andrew Madoff from cancer, ending his life.

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WhereÂ’s the proof and guarantee? Of peoples success because they should have pursued higher education?

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...janitor or lawyer... window cleaner or bank director - all have chance to be very happy or very unhappy. 

...religious or atheist... member of JWorg or member of some other group - they all have same/similar problems.

But when WT chiefs princes teaching the flock to be poor in "worldly Truths" aka education but to be reach (i mean rich - you see what looks like when you have lack of education :) ) in "WT Truth" aka uninspired, err doctrines and instructions that have to be obeyed,  that have to guide your personal life ... then your primary goal, inside need to be happy, as a human, is under attack of Organized, Corporation's manipulation.   

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Correct? There is no substantiated proof that, higher education will lead your life into prosperity, and that the Watchtower forces someone not to attend college, regardless if they encourage someone, to utilize their time better in service of God, rather than in service of man.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3365855/

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2 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

to utilize their time better in service of God, rather than in service of man.

... and now you can open discussion about what me, you, other, WTJWorg think about -  What does in fact is content, relevance, intent of phrase: IN SERVICE of GOD, and on other side HOW LOOKS to be IN SERVICE OF MAN :))))))

Final product of theoretical and practical action of someone (single or in group) who is "in service of God is/are" something as follow:  

1) I'm certainly right and everyone else is wrong

2) God loves me because I love him

3) I belong to the only true religion, so I'm sure right when I do this service of god in this way

4) My religion (me and my bro and sis, elders) is not perfect but is the best in the whole world

:)))

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5 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

... and now you can open discussion about what me, you, other, WTJWorg think about -  What does in fact is content, relevance, intent of phrase: IN SERVICE of GOD, and on other side HOW LOOKS to be IN SERVICE OF MAN :))))))

   

I would have to say, the relevance would be ones, mortal soul. Judgment does not end with death. Just like there is no concrete proof one’s life will flourish by attending college. I believe the evidence shows, the makeup and reality of humanity evolve around the 1%, which the rest will have to be satisfied with what they can get. I know of at least 100 people of different religious background that have completed college, and they are stuck in a minimum wage job. Some have asked for government assistance, while trying to either work off their student loans, by being obligated to work for the government to receive credit or figure out, how to pay the student loans before the interest becomes overwhelming. It took a friend 10 years to pay off his loans when he graduated to be a dentist. A year later, all those 12 years he spent in college, became unsatisfactory to a point, he now works for a company that has nothing to do with dentistry. Does someone need a college degree to flip burgers?

 

Meanwhile, without having to qualify the reference as an anticlerical rolling commentary? Not looking at service as lord and master but serving with joy, Ephesians 6:7 then the illusion becomes reality. 1 Peter 4:11

Did the Watchtower coin the phrase?

https://www.gospeltruth.net/1841OE/410331_true_service.htm

Or can it be found in many passages in scripture?

Can a true religion “allow” for the killing of others? How many Christian sects pray over wars or associate themselves with it?

https://www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/issue-33/preaching-holy-war.html

http://library.cqpress.com/cqresearcher/document.php?id=cqresrre1942072400

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war

Do these Christian religions qualify under just this one example in the eyes of God? Then ask the same questions as posted? To receive the answer. 1 Corinthians 12:5-6, 1 Peter 4:10-11

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_religious_groups

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_affirming_LGBT#North_America

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                         

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3 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

I know of at least 100 people of different religious background that have completed college, and they are stuck in a minimum wage job............to pay the student loans ................................

About minimum wage and high education. That is problem of "market" and need for this or that profile of workers, where you live - in what part of world, how is economy in your country etc, etc. So, accepting advice - go to be doctor or go to be blacksmith depends, in my opinion, on various factors (individual, social and so), and as such it is not good for person to make conclusion on basis of his "religious insight" about answer; when will end come? So why to be doctor, in NW doctor will be without job :)))) 

If you choose wrong, and finally end as professor or plumber, do not blame  god or  devil for that, blame yourself, or  your advisers if you need to blame others. Blame greedy people, bad circumstances, wrong day of your birthday, wrong country where you live, tornado or flood, ....and remember that you read in Bible, " All share a common destiny—the righteous and the wicked, the good and the bad,[a] the clean and the unclean, those who offer sacrifices and those who do not." -- "So I took all this to heart and concluded that the righteous and the wise, as well as their deeds, are in God’s hands. Man does not know what lies ahead,whether love or hate"

"Their deeds, are in God’s hands" this is not light statement, but one of interpretation could be that your god will, wish, plan  for you is to be doctor and not window cleaner with half time job and other part in pioneer service with wt magazine. Can that be possible? Yes, if you believe in meaning of Ecl verse and statement that human are clay and god is potter, who shape you as he wish (or in harmony with facts, who you are at this moment, your deep state of heart, mind and other unknown facts that reveal who you really are)  :)))  

Do not seriously accept all here said from me, I just gave to myself some freedom to interpret mix of bible, wt, worldly  and personal "insight".

About costs for study. It depends where you live. So, in some country it is not so difficult to pay some costs for high education. Again, perhaps you and your friends living in wrong country. :))) Need for this or that profile of workers are problematic and many jobs that not required more years in school are empty because young people are not interested to work simple jobs or skill jobs, but reasons for that are many and  people can see why, so here is no need to talk about that. 

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7 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

I know of at least 100 people of different religious background that have completed college, and they are stuck in a minimum wage job.

You need to associate with a smarter group of people.

If your master's degree is in French Literature .... you have shot yourself in the foot, and paid for the bullet.

What will that qualify you to do? Nothing that I can think of off hand.

If you are in a room full of 100 college graduates, and 50% have what is my opinion, a generally useless degree, that shows the 50% is completely divorced from reality.

So, you have 50 people left, while the others are stewing in their own expensive fantasy world.

Then there are perhaps 40 people who are not willing to relocate as needed to where the jobs are, so they have tied their own hands behind them.

Risk taking and bold action is often a crucial job requirement.

So you have ten people left out of the original hundred, and 5 have no idea how to write a good resume, interview well, or are just hateful, mean, belligerent, or ugly people with no people skills whatsoever.

That leaves 5 people.

Then you have the last 5 people that perhaps studied Petroleum Engineering, Nursing, Hotel Management, or any number of valuable subjects, but reality is that they tested well, but in the workaday world, they couldn't find a door with a map. 

Or perhaps they have even an advanced degree in some valuable subject, and have let the sounds of their own wheels make them crazy, and are bat crap crazy, .... and decide after a $70,000 education,  to sell daisies, or make really cool table candles ... man.

I have a cousin who went to college for 9 years, and is as useless as teats on a bull, because he is just plain clueless. He goes around in a Star Wars robe and a a fake light saber.

Infinite Variety.

 

 

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53 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

You need to associate with a smarter group of people.

Sound’s condescending to single me out and my friends, and confrontational. Does it have anything to do with personal insecurities? Perhaps, there are some who suggest they are better and there are better groups of people within this vast world. I will attribute that to social dogma. However, I will agree,  association and keeping from being part of this world, does have its merits.

Therefore, you just made a strong argument that higher education doesn’t control one's destiny. Since the majority of us have to interact with a vast amount of different cultures? Then, the percentage will either go up or down depending on how governments interact with its people.

I believe Mr. Srecko made a point to suggest I live in the wrong country. If living in the United States is the wrong country? I will leave that up to those that live within their own nation. But, there is also a criteria, on how 1000’s want to come to America if their own country is so prosperous.

 

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I appreciate your honest reply, but the fact of the matter is this:

You have your opinions on how the Universe and the "Real World" operates ... and I have mine.

The Universe does not care about either of our opinions ... only what the facts really are.

OF COURSE

3 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Therefore, you just made a strong argument that higher education doesn’t control one's destiny.

I never said it did.

Ever see the movie "Dr. Zhivago"?  An older movie well worth the effort to find and see, starring Omar Sharif, and Sir Alex Guiness (Obi-wan Kanobe) .  Dr. Zhivago is in Siberia or somewhere in the winter during the Russian Revolution of 1918, and he is freezing .. so he leaves his "girlfriend's" apartment and starts destroying someone's fence for firewood to take back.   His Brother is a policeman spying on him, and see's this, but lets him get away with it.

The brother muses (paraphrased) "You know ... my brother is a Doctor, and I am just a policeman ... but that does not bother me ... I have killed people much better than me with a small pistol."

OF COURSE chance and circumstance befall us all .... but other things being equal ... the race is not always to the swift ... and the battle is not always to the strong .... but that is the way to bet.

In any horse race you are going to be at a decided disadvantage ... if you are a cow.

 

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12 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

I believe Mr. Srecko made a point to suggest I live in the wrong country. If living in the United States is the wrong country? I will leave that up to those that live within their own nation. But, there is also a criteria, on how 1000’s want to come to America if their own country is so prosperous.

Please Billy, my expose is not to offend you, your homeland, origin or else. Apologize if you took my explanation this way. :( 

All countries are wrong and wright. Something is better or not. Or people who live in particular country are satisfied with situation and for them their country is right place to live. For his neighbor next door can be opposite. 

All best, greetings from Croatia. Many people left my country for economic reasons. Well, for them something in our country is wrong. I am ok, so have no need to flee in USA or Switzerland :)))  

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