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In case any of you were wondering where you "ranked" in the eyes of JW's worldwide.... this is what has been observed as general guidelines from people that have actually lived as a JW in the last few decades:

Let's start at the very top classes here on earth of actual PEOPLE or GROUPS:

 

"Faithful and Discreet Slave" - Now only the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses below - Removed

Anointed Ones - Removed

The Governing Body

Watchtower Attorneys (Brothers who are Attorneys or Doctors) (They get invited to live at Bethel at the expense of "the flock")

Committee Members

"Bethel Elders"

District Overseers - Gone....

Circuit Overseers (wives are slightly exalted)   

Bethelites are in this general area depending on age and job description.... (Bethelite women? That was invented decades ago for them to have wives at Bethel.....then somewhere along the line they allowed some "holier than thou" single sisters in Bethel if they were RN's.... they didn't stay single long though due to a pillow shortage at Bethel one year.)  But this oddity has shown up in recent years. Most JW's don't know how to deal with a single female bethelite since she is obviously trying to climb this ranking list.

Missionaries (Gilead Graduates) (wives are exalted)

Pioneer Elders (no bonus more than the elder's wife bonus)

RBC Elder (Now LDC member) (no bonus for wife....she never sees husband LOL)

Elders (and ranks among them)  Presiding Overseer..... Gone

Secretary

Watchtower Study Conductor (this title USED to mean something)

Theocratic Ministry School Overseer (this old title used to mean something)

Service Overseer (used to be the "pioneer elder above" often enough)

Non-Pioneer Elder

Pioneer Ministerial Servants

Ministerial Servants

Brothers

Unbaptized Male Publishers

Regular Pioneer Sisters

Auxiliary Pioneer Sisters

Sisters (married)

Regular Pioneer single sister

Auxiliary Pioneer single sister

Single sisters

Sisters who speak

Sisters who try to teach

Sisters who are educated with a career

Unbaptized Female Publishers

JW Children

Non-JW Children of JW's

-------- Armageddon Survival Line -------- (if you are near this line your survival at Armageddon is in the "gray area")

Billions of innocent babies.... (well not innocent... they are baby vipers who should be killed along with the other heathens)

Worldly children...

ALL MANKIND

People with tattoos

Homosexuals

Male Homosexuals

Transsexuals

Soldiers (Veterans)

Buddhist monks

Catholic Priests

The Pope

Stalin

Hitler

Younger disfellowshipped people (crime was "immorality" which can be understood by most since they all masturbate and feel guilty afterward)

Disfellowshipped (former brothers and sisters)

Apostates who don't like the JW ranking system.

Olin Moyle

Ray Franz

Demons

Satan

 

Did I miss someone or a rank? ?

 

@TrueTomHarley They should try being inclusive ...no need to track or keep records on people.

Instead they have setup an "exclusive" system with ranks even amongst themselves.

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I forgot to include JW Celebrities.... Where should I place them? Hmmm

 

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What hierachy? What madness! Not scriptural.  Remember the widow? Jesus said she put in more than the others.  Unless Jehovah and Jesus don't matter.  Elijah thought only he was serving God but God said he had 7000 that did not bow down to Baal. Same today.

 

 

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@Melinda Mills You are a sister... preaching? LOL.... and that is what Jesus taught.... to not judge.

This post is how JW's are taught to view everyone with their propaganda.

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@JackRyan get real man! (I think?)

Surely this is how you view everyone? You posted it!

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@Gone Away This is how the masses of JW's are taught to view everyone by their everyday actions and implied meaning in the teachings. It has gotten softer and more unspoken in the last 2 decades but they are all still there.

Notice @JW Insider or @James Thomas Rook Jr. hasn't called me out on any of these? Not even the holier than though mightiest @AllenSmith wherever he is has taken this list on.

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13 minutes ago, Jack Ryan said:

Notice @JW Insider or @James Thomas Rook Jr. hasn't called me out on any of these? Not even the holier than though mightiest @AllenSmith wherever he is has taken this list on.

Your posting was July 10.  I just discovered it today, August 26, 2018 ... so the reason I have not 'weighed in" is mere ignorance that this post existed.

There is no question that there is a clear "pecking order" in the WT hierarchy, but without analysis ( first, I would have to care ...) it seems your ordered list conveys the general idea.

However, any time two or more people get together, a pecking order evolves.  It's true with barnyard chickens, and it is true with people.

That's just the way things are.

It cannot be undone.

Even in a box of Animal Crackers with Lions and Giraffes, the Giraffes often get their necks broken.

MY policy is " ... eat 'em all ... let God sort 'em out".

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18 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Even in a box of Animal Crackers with Lions and Giraffes, the Giraffes often get their necks broken.

MY policy is " ... eat 'em all ... let God sort 'em out".

Now that Barnum and Bailey has folded its tents, you may get less and less of these. I found this on https://www.drsoda.com/baancrb.html

Barnum's Animal Crackers (Bag)***DISCONTINUED***

So, who knows, a little self-control and an unshaken box with pristine, unbroken giraffe necks might someday yield $50 on eBay. I thought I'd sell my basement full of Hostess Twinkies on eBay when they were to be discontinued in May 2013. But since a new company bought them out of bankruptcy and resurrected them in July 2013, I guess I'll just have to use them for insulation, or maybe to stuff into pillows or something.

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On 7/10/2018 at 4:14 PM, Jack Ryan said:

Watchtower Attorneys (Brothers who are Attorneys or Doctors) (They get invited to live at Bethel at the expense of "the flock")

 

Oh, for crying out loud.

So do the brothers who clean the toilets and sweep the floors

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2 hours ago, JW Insider said:

So, who knows, a little self-control and an unshaken box with pristine, unbroken giraffe necks might someday yield $50 on eBay. I thought I'd sell my basement full of Hostess Twinkies on eBay when they were to be discontinued in May 2013. But since a new company bought them out of bankruptcy and resurrected them in July 2013, I guess I'll just have to use them for insulation, or maybe to stuff into pillows or something.

It may be apocryphal, but I understand Hostess Twinkies are good for 300 years.

You COULD sit on them, and see if any of them hatch!

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*** w67 2/1 pp. 80-83 pars. 4-12 Servants of God Full Time ***

 11 There are many who, after honestly appraising their personal circumstances, do not find that they can be regular pioneer ministers, devoting one hundred hours each month to the field ministry. But this does not necessarily mean that they love God less. If their being ministers of God truly affects all their activities in life, they, too, are full-time ministers. When faced with pressures from the unbelieving world, they are just as firm for what is right as are their brothers and sisters who are able to devote more time to the field ministry. Their hearts are in Jehovah’s service, and they have a zealous share in it every month. They, too, are grateful to God that he has counted them worthy by permitting them to have a share in the ministry, and they ‘buy out the opportune time’ from other pursuits to seek first God’s kingdom.

 

See 1 Corinthians 10: 31; Matthew 23:8  -suggested scripture references - mine

Italics mine

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2 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

What is this? There's a hierarchy here, too, that I didn't know about? I thought this was a joke. Parts of it were funny.

it doesn't interest me in the slightest. Once I see myself on the list, and compare where I place with @James Thomas Rook Jr., then maybe we can talk.

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It is their Church Structure, it is similar and or nearly as identical to the Early Church, furthermore, Jehovah's Witnesses are Restorationist, not only do they stick to he Bible, verse for verse, but that of the church itself, be it they have the truth or very close to it, the very reason why Restorationism (Restorationist Christians) be it a group or a sole individual, are known to primarily practice Primitive Christianity.

 

Quote: Restorationism, also described as Christian Primitivism, is the belief that Christianity has been or should be restored along the lines of what is known about the apostolic early church, which restorationists see as the search for a more pure and more ancient form of the religion. Fundamentally, "this vision seeks to correct faults or deficiencies (in the church) by appealing to the primitive church as a normative model.

They are among the list of those who stuck to their Restorationist routes, even to this day:

In the 1870s, a Bible study group led by Charles Taze Russell formed into what was eventually called the Bible Student movement. Russell's congregations did not consider him to be the founder of a new religion, but that he helped in restoring true Christianity from the apostasy that Jesus and the Apostle Paul foretold. They believed that other Churches departed in a Great Apostasy from the original faith on major points, and that the original faith could be restored through a generally literal interpretation of the Bible and a sincere commitment to follow its teachings. They focused on several key doctrinal points that they considered a return to "primitive Christianity", derived from their interpretation of the Bible, including a rejection of trinitarianism, the immortality of the soul, and the definition of Hell as a place of eternal torment; active proselytization; strict neutrality in political affairs; abstinence from warfare; and a belief in the imminent manifestation of the Kingdom of God (or World to Come) on Earth.

Jehovah's Witnesses emerged as a distinct religious organization, maintaining control of Russell's Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society and other corporations. They continued to develop doctrines that they considered to be an improved restoration of first century Christianity, including increased emphasis on the use of Jehovah as God's personal name.

It would most definitely be a problem if they had left such a root, but this seems not to be the case.

Another thing is women cannot lead churches (the Bible makes it clear on the role women have in the church, never they are mentioned as leaders of authority in the church), anyone who says otherwise clearly is ignoring the church and family structure and nothing of such has EVER originated with the early church, those who practice/defend it are accursed.

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2 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

It is their Church Structure, it is similar and or nearly as identical to the Early Church, furthermore, Jehovah's Witnesses are Restorationist, not only do they stick to he Bible, verse for verse, but that of the church itself, be it they have the truth or very close to it, the very reason why Restorationism (Restorationist Christians) be it a group or a sole individual, are known to primarily practice Primitive Christianity.

 

Quote: Restorationism, also described as Christian Primitivism, is the belief that Christianity has been or should be restored along the lines of what is known about the apostolic early church, which restorationists see as the search for a more pure and more ancient form of the religion. Fundamentally, "this vision seeks to correct faults or deficiencies (in the church) by appealing to the primitive church as a normative model.

They are among the list of those who stuck to their Restorationist routes, even to this day:

In the 1870s, a Bible study group led by Charles Taze Russell formed into what was eventually called the Bible Student movement. Russell's congregations did not consider him to be the founder of a new religion, but that he helped in restoring true Christianity from the apostasy that Jesus and the Apostle Paul foretold. They believed that other Churches departed in a Great Apostasy from the original faith on major points, and that the original faith could be restored through a generally literal interpretation of the Bible and a sincere commitment to follow its teachings. They focused on several key doctrinal points that they considered a return to "primitive Christianity", derived from their interpretation of the Bible, including a rejection of trinitarianism, the immortality of the soul, and the definition of Hell as a place of eternal torment; active proselytization; strict neutrality in political affairs; abstinence from warfare; and a belief in the imminent manifestation of the Kingdom of God (or World to Come) on Earth.

Jehovah's Witnesses emerged as a distinct religious organization, maintaining control of Russell's Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society and other corporations. They continued to develop doctrines that they considered to be an improved restoration of first century Christianity, including increased emphasis on the use of Jehovah as God's personal name.

It would most definitely be a problem if they had left such a root, but this seems not to be the case.

What is the source of this quote? I like it, and may use it myself elsewhere.

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@James Thomas Rook Jr. Regardless of where you are, you are a stone (A Living Stone according to the Bible) of the house, thus any contribution of service to the Spiritual House helps the whole church thrive, mainly when it comes to maintaining the teachings of the Bible and the practices and applications made by the Early Church.

For we are all part of Her, The Church, and our roles in the Church help us as a whole - for the Church is not merely a place of worship, but it is a community of people of the same faith and do what is needed to seek actually truth and if they have the truth they maintain it.

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12 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

..... I have been called many things ... but never before a "stone".

.... usually a "blockhead". 

... I usually respond well when called to dinner.

  • 1 Peter 2:5 - you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

References: Ephesians 2:2,1 Hebrews 13:15, Romans 12:1

As for stones, it is figurative, but one can only imagine if man were stones (stone-men), swimming in water would be the last thing on your mind.

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