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By Noble Berean
This is veering off the 1975 discussion, but I never suggested God places higher value on certain individuals because of status. That's contrary to everything he stands for. I am suggesting that humans have placed higher importance on themselves.
You said that there isn't a hierarchy in the organization, and that's not true. The R&F phrase is used by the organization to describe publishers at the bottom of the organizational pyramid. It isn't used to describe those at the top. And JWs at the bottom of the pyramid have no right to question the direction of those at the top, because they do not have the special capacity to interpret the Bible for themselves. JWs rely on the GB to get a proper understanding of the Bible. They have definitive authority on Bible understanding.
So, there is a disparity between R&F JWs and the specially chosen ones. If everyone was truly equal, wouldn't we all be able to interpret the Bible for ourselves? That idea is actually discouraged in the organization.
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By Jack Ryan
May 15, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS Re: Regular Pioneers
UK version
new jw term: "Infirm Regular Pioneer"
PIONEER: from Old French peonier foot soldier, from peon foot soldier. - Merriam Webster Online Dictionary.
Helping people in need is one of the cornerstones and most honorable pursuits in Christianity. It takes a spiritual person to voluntarily look after others who are incapable of taking care of themselves. But in the Watchtower world it isn't permitted if you want to remain a pioneer - only time spent preaching the Watchtower message counts, and is the main marker of spirituality.
Looking at this from a distance now, it is clear just how perverted this is....
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No, not all. Many sports organizations and institutions etc have closed down. But JWs will be accountable for every one.... because we will not close down and operate under a new name.....and it is fair for the victims. But as usual - the press will only single us out even though the injustice was not "planned" or tolerated. It is just an extremely sensitive issue and most people - even today - do not completely know how to cope with it because it can destroy families. Elders who deal with it are under severe strain.... but this is why an elder must excuse himself if he does not feel able to handle it. Luckily the new laws are in place which stipulate that this crime must be reported to the authorities - in most first world countries. So this takes pressure off them. There is nothing wrong with not having the full picture or making a mistake - GB and JWs are imperfect people after all. But I am absolutely sure that JWs understand the teachings of the bible, they do have a slave that is working hard on the preaching work and giving encouragement at the proper time. I am sure the bible is absolute reality and Jehovah has a nation on earth which comes from all nations and they do not learn war any more. They have unity because they do apply the bible principles that promote unity as a nation on earth. Are they perfect people? By no means.... ordinary people who try to stay faithful to Jehovah and the good and bad he set for us. We are NOT better than anyone else ...... just extremely blessed to be drawn by Jehovah and receive his spirit to remain in the truth. We cannot remain in the truth without his spirit. For a while they can but eventually the develop a bad attitude. Of course, a KGB agent can infiltrate JWs and become an alder........ but his motivation is similar to Judas Iscariot. He is paid by the government and supported by them. Jehova will judge him. Most of us are just simple people who honestly and unhypocritically try to serve Jehovah.... So we remain because Jehovah gives his spirit to us....... and where else can we go where there is one nation under Jehovah?. -
Which reminds me of JW 'parties' here in the UK. I know of such parties where Elders dress up in costumes. One such Elder who's name is Andy, dresses up as Andy Pandy. Others dress us as the Incredible Hulk, Batman etc. No part of the world of course I do wonder what Jesus thinks as he looks down on them. -
@Arauna Quote " My friend, this is only a wish these days - justice is becoming a thing for the rich only who can afford good lawyers and get off. " Not so with JW Child Sexual Abuse Victims. Some of them are not rich but they are getting justice at last. In many countries earthwide CSA victims from many 'walks of life' are getting some justice. Not just in JW Org of course, but it's good to see justice for all victims.
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Different situations were present in ancient times. i.e. Israelites were allowed to have a concubine for instance..... BUT Job was a good man because he was generous with his possessions and he was faithful to only one wife - even though se was a nagger - lol. Does this mean that Jehovah will judge these people by the standards set by Jesus of one wife only? Yes, the laws of justice, mercy, being honest are universal laws and will be in effect - no matter what the era or time period..... but some other considerations will also be taken into account. After all - Jehovah is perfect and he will judge perfectly. Unfortunately we do not judge perfectly. Some persons did things as a young stupid person and society still hold them accountable for their entire life and treats them like outcasts....Jehovah can read the heart and he knows. There are many situations where we cannot judge perfectly....
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@Arauna Quote "Things are moving ...... not exactly in timing as mommy WT organization predicted BUT as the bible predicted." EXACTLY. The Bible is never wrong. Watchtower and GB and JW Org are OFTEN WRONG. Arauna, you are so helpful to us some times. When you actually admit that the W/t GB and JW Org are wrong. But go careful, because you could be accused of being Apostate by actually admitting your Org / W/t gets it wrong. After all that is why some of us are accused of being Apostate isn't it ? Because we believe God, working through Christ, as ruler, rather than men.
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I do the same.. You will notice that I do have my own opinions on some things.... which comes from meditation...... . I will of course not go and teach this to others. I teach the basic core teachings to my studies and help them to appreciate that they must do self study for maturity... I also prepare them for their time as a witness when they will see that everyone is not perfect....... they may even bump their toe on a rock below the surface of the love-feasts.. Most new witnesses face a test with fellow witnesses after baptism - or a new congregations - it is inevitable..... just depends on how big the test is. I also help them to get life-skills as a witness. Some did not learn this while at home or had too many bumps in life. The qualities to survive and the attitudes that assist in cooperating with others and being kind and fitting in. The realit y is: we are social animals and want to fit in , be successful in the group and it is hard on some people- especially if one has some weird personality quirks..... Navigating life - no matter where you go - is hard. For us the workplace can be a specially hard because people expect us to be "better" than others...... when we are just ordinary people like everyone else..... The only difference is that we try to be faithful to god........ to the best of our very imperfect ability. Sometimes we must face ridicule for that...so as ordinary people we have to build up courage and work on our social skills to navigate out of difficult situations. I have a very friendly personality and stand out easily..... as a woman this is not always a good thing. So I have learnt to be smart and gauge the right time to say what I think. Last year I went to see two Arabic brothers and spoke to them about their attitudes towards women..... because Arabs have an inbred attitude which the truth does not completely correct.... years and years of training in a certain way is not just going to disappear. I waited for the right time and managed to do it successfully.... did they take my concerns to heart? I do not know.... but I seemed to do OK afterward. As I grew older I learnt to not keep quiet about my concerns....... but wait for a long time until the time is right and then talk. Every time I was successful, I grew in maturity. Now I help the young sisters to also grow strong and become pillars in the congregation.
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@Arauna I agree with you here, but the problem arises when, on thinking of spiritual things and reading the scriptures privately, we then find ourselves in disagreement with the teachings of the the GB / JW Org. I have always been encouraged to pray for guidance of holy spirit and read the scriptures. But I do find that on reasoning on the scriptures, I have been troubled by the way the GB / JW Org have dealt with and are dealing with things.
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