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    • By James Thomas Rook Jr.
      Church ‘shuns‘ 15-year-old, then father – ends up in court
      Posted by SDD Contributor on November 9, 2019 at 4:20 am  
      The Supreme Court of Canada heard arguments Thursday in a lawsuit against a religious congregation’s “shunning” practice, but the congregation and several other groups contend the justices had no right to even take part in the case.
      Randy Wall, a real estate agent, filed the suit against the Highwood congregation of the Jehovah’s Witnesses organization in Calgary, Alberta.
      Wall was expelled from the congregation for getting drunk and not be properly repentant, court records said. He pursued an appeals process through the Jehovah’s Witnesses then went to court because he said the Witnesses’ “shunning” — the practice of not associating with him in any way — hurt his business.
      He explained his two occasions of drunkenness related to “the previous expulsion by the congregation of his 15-year-old daughter.”
      A lower court opinion said: “Even though the daughter was a dependent child living at home, it was a mandatory church edict that the entire family shun aspects of their relationship with her. The respondent said the edicts of the church pressured the family to evict their daughter from the family home. This led to … much distress in the family.”
      The “distress” eventually resulted in his drunkenness, Wall said.
       
      Wall submitted to the court arguments that about half his client base, members of various Jehovah’s Witnesses congregations, then refused to conduct business with him. He alleged the “disfellowship had an economic impact on the respondent.”
      During high court arguments Thursday, the congregation asked the justices to rule that religious congregations are immune to such claims in the judicial system.
      The lower courts had ruled that the courts could play a role in determining whether or not such circumstances rise to the level of violating civil rights or injuring a “disfellowshipped” party.
      The rulings from the Court of Queen’s Bench and the Alberta Court of Appeals said Wall’s case was subject to secular court jurisdiction.
      A multitude of religious and political organizations joined with the congregation in arguing that Canada’s courts should not be involved.
      The Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms said in a filing: “The wish or desire of one person to associate with an unwilling person (or an unwilling group) is not a legal right of any kind. For a court, or the government, to support such a ‘right’ violates the right of self-determination of the unwilling parties.”
      Previous case law has confirmed the right of religious or private voluntary groups to govern themselves and dictate who can be a member.
      But previously rulings also reveal there is room for the court system to intervene when the question centers on property or civil rights.
      The Association for Reformed Political Action described the case as having “profound implications for the separation of church and state.”
      It contends the court should keep its hands off the argument.
      “Secular judges have no authority and no expertise to review a church membership decision,” said a statement from Andre Schutten, a spokesman for the group. “Church discipline is a spiritual matter falling within spiritual jurisdiction, not a legal matter falling within the courts’ civil jurisdiction. The courts should not interfere.”
      John Sikkema, staff lawyer for ARPA, said: “The issue in this appeal is jurisdiction. A state actor, including a court, must never go beyond its jurisdiction. The Supreme Court must consider what kind of authority the courts can or cannot legitimately claim. We argue that the civil government and churches each have limited and distinct spheres of authority. This basic distinction between civil and spiritual jurisdiction is a source of freedom and religious pluralism and a guard against civic totalism.”
      He continued: “Should the judiciary have the authority to decide who gets to become or remain a church member? Does the judiciary have the authority to decide who does or does not get to participate in the sacraments? Church discipline is a spiritual matter falling within spiritual jurisdiction, not a legal matter falling within the courts’ civil jurisdiction. The courts should not interfere. Here we need separation of church and state.”
      The Alberta Court of Appeal, however, suggested the case was about more than ecclesiastical rules.
      “Because Jehovah’s Witnesses shun disfellowshipped members, his wife, other children and other Jehovah’s Witnesses were compelled to shun him,” that lower court decision said. “The respondent asked the appeal committee to consider the mental and emotional distress he and his family were under as a result of his duaghter’s disfellowship.”
      The church committee concluded he was “not sufficiently repentant.”
      The ruling said “the only basis for establishing jurisdiction over a decision of the church is when the complaint involves property and civil rights,” and that is what Wall alleged.
      “Accordingly, a court has jurisdiction to review the decision of a religious organization when a breach of the rules of natural justice is alleged.”
       
                     
    • By Jack Ryan
      I'm a 21 yo PIMO on the West coast. My family and I attended a wedding this past Saturday and I was completely disgusted by my family's and congregation's behavior.
      The couple that got married are both studies, so they didn't get married at the Kingdom Hall. However they requested an elder to give the wedding ceremony talk (and I call it a talk because it was 95% scriptures and 5% about the couple) and they invited mostly JWs aside from their families.
      Everything was going pretty well, until about 40 min after the ceremony. I just finished eating when my dad whispered to my brother and I that we had to leave because there was a DF'd woman that was invited. I sincerely apologised to the couple for leaving because I felt awful that I had to play along with all of the invited JWs and awkwardly leave the wedding so soon.
      Once my family was in the car, I asked my dad who the woman was. He revealed to me that it was the groom's mom. Apparently a couple of elders went and talked to her and asked her to leave. She refused, so they let her know that we'll all be leaving.
      I was shocked and appalled at the insanity of the situation I found myself in. This couple isn't even baptised and they invited more JWs than family to their wedding only to have them all leave because the groom's mom is in attendance. To top it all off, the brothers afterwards were saying stuff like: "I can't believe that she could be that selfish" and "Aw that poor couple, because of ONE person, everyone had to leave. She totally ruined their wedding".
      The indoctrination is insane in this cult, of fucking course the groom is going to invite his own mother to his wedding. I can't believe that I'm expected to feel offended at the mother for refusing to leave her son's wedding. I really hope that the newlyweds see this as crystal-clear evidence that this is a cult.
      - Contributed
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      Now which of these three do you think seemed to be a neighbor to him who fell among the robbers?"
      He said, "He who showed mercy on him."
      Then Jesus said to him, "Go and do likewise... Unless they're dfed then leave em to die."
       
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      Their actions are codified as follows:
      *** w81 9/15 p. 30 par. 23 If a Relative Is Disfellowshiped . . . ***
      "There is no point in looking for some rule as to family members being at gatherings where a disfellowshiped relative might be present. This would be something for those concerned to resolve, in keeping with Paul’s counsel. (1 Cor. 5:11) And yet it should be appreciated that if a disfellowshiped person is going to be at a gathering to which nonrelative Witnesses are invited, that may well affect what others do. For example, a Christian couple might be getting married at a Kingdom Hall. If a disfellowshiped relative comes to the Kingdom Hall for the wedding, obviously he could not be in the bridal party there or “give away” the bride. What, though, if there is a wedding feast or reception? This can be a happy social occasion, as it was in Cana when Jesus attended. (John 2:1, 2) But will the disfellowshiped relative be allowed to come or even be invited? If he was going to attend, many Christians, relatives or not, might conclude that they should not be there, to eat and associate with him, in view of Paul’s directions at 1 Corinthians 5:11."
      No rule given LOL, gotta love Watchtwer's constant plausible deniability wording.
    • By Jack Ryan
      A Norwegian JW woman, who was sexually abused, was disfellowshipped for fornication. The woman first appealed inside the organization - without success. Feeling injustice, she then decided to sue Jehovah's Witnesses. The court decided last month that the disfellowshipping was against the Norwegian law and must be canceled. The court also ordered the local Jehovah's Witness organization to pay 100 000 NOK to the woman.
      Here is the story, in a Norwegian newspaper.
    • By JOHN BUTLER
      I do find it kinda' funny that JW's love to talk about billions of people being removed / destroyed / killed / murdered at Armageddon. Billions of people.
      And for what ? Well JW's say it's for not serving God. But they will also say it's for not being a baptised JW. 
      Well we do know for sure that God either deliberately had, or deliberately allowed, the destruction of Jerusalem in circa 70 C E, and for what ? 
      Well the Bible shows us it was for not serving God properly, and for killing God's son. 
      BUT when I suggest that the Governing Body should be removed or destroyed, oh dear, the JW's they get really upset ya know. 
      Governing Body = 8 men.   Jerusalem = how many, men, women and children, thousands of them. 
      But oh dear, now it would be murder. So what was it back then ?  Your see JW's live in a dream world, wrapped up in cotton wool, they just cannot face the real world.
      The Governing Body do not serve God properly. That is clearly visible to anyone that honestly wants to see it. 
      The Governing Body are destroying JW Org, and if JW Org is God's true Organisation then the GB are deliberately working against God and against God's intentions. 
      Humans that deliberately work against God and cause problems for God do not last long on this Earth. 
      The Bible shows much proof of this, such as those that opposed Moses. 
      I am expecting the GB to be removed, one way or another. But only if God really wants to use the JW Org / Watchtower soc for His own purposes. 
      If God does not want to use those Orgs then it would seem sensible for God to set up a new Org for His purposes. 
      The only problem with the GB being 'removed' is that JW's will call it a 'sign of the times' and 'persecution', but if God causes the removal then I'm sure He will put them straight. 
      Those people that say that the GB cannot be removed / destroyed, are those people that worship the GB. And those people that worship the GB may probably need removing too. 
      The world is wicked, it belongs to Satan. The Earth is wonderful and it belongs to Almighty God.
      For God to save this Earth and for Him to save a few humans too, drastic things have to take place. Drastic things have to take place.
       
    • By Albert Michelson
      What is the good news?
       
      The Bible is clear that even if someone had been clearly selected by god if they deviate from the truth they are to be rejected. 
       
      Galatians 1:8-9 However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to YOU as good news something beyond what we declared to YOU as good news, let him be accursed.  9 As we have said above, I also now say again, Whoever it is that is declaring to YOU as good news something beyond what YOU accepted, let him be accursed.
       
      This holds even more weight for ones like the GB who are not clearly selected and who's claim to authority rests solely on a demonstrably false interpretation of scripture.
      The organization claims that the 1914 teaching is necessary for salvation and even goes as far as to claim that the 1914 teaching is the good news spoken of in the Bible.
      *** w67 12/15 pp. 753-754 pars. 3-4 What Now Distinguishes the Good News to Be Preached ***
      "What a joy-inspiring addition or enlargement to the good news now to be preached! Now has come the victorious kingdom of our God together with the authority of his Christ, his Messiah! As for Satan the Devil and his demons, they have only a short period of time until they are bound and imprisoned in the abyss after the “war of the great day of God the Almighty” at Armageddon. All this additional wonderful information has been true since the end of the “appointed times of the nations” in 1914, and particularly since World War I closed in the year 1918. Not before the “appointed times of the nations” ended in the fall of 1914 could the good news be preached of the newborn, established heavenly kingdom of God and of his Messiah. This, then, must be the good news that Jesus Christ in his prophecy said had to be preached first in all the nations. (Mark 13:10) This generation of human society that has seen and experienced the world events since the Gentile Times closed in 1914—this is the “generation” that will not pass away until all the things foretold have happened, including the preaching of the good news first in all nations.
      4 Jesus’ prophecy in Mark 13:10, “Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first,” has not been undergoing fulfillment during the past nineteen centuries. It is only since the second decade of our twentieth century that this prophecy has been undergoing fulfillment. This began to be realized by the International Bible Students Association and the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society since the end of the second decade of our century. In the magazine issue of July 1, 1920, of The Watch Tower and Herald of Christ’s Presence the article was published entitled “Gospel of the Kingdom” and based on the theme text, “‘And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.’—Matthew 24:14.”
       It is for this reason that the organization is chained to the 1914 teaching. As the scripture I quoted above demonstrates the Bible says that one who teaches a good news that is false is cursed. If the organization admits that the 1914 and 1919 teachings are false they will have to admit that not only were they not selected as gods channel but that they have been teaching a false good news for the majority of their existence. It is for that reason that they disfellowship and shun people who cannot conscientiously remain in the faith. It's easier to just eliminate the opposition then to actually address the real issues with your theology. 
      *** w86 4/1 pp. 30-31 Questions From Readers ***
      Why have Jehovah’s Witnesses disfellowshipped (excommunicated) for apostasy some who still profess belief in God, the Bible, and Jesus Christ?
       
      "Approved association with Jehovah’s Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible, including those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah’s Witnesses. What do such beliefs include?
       
      That the great issue before humankind is the rightfulness of Jehovah’s sovereignty, which is why he has allowed wickedness so long. (Ezekiel 25:17) That Jesus Christ had a prehuman existence and is subordinate to his heavenly Father. (John 14:28) That there is a “faithful and discreet slave” upon earth today ‘entrusted with all of Jesus’ earthly interests,’ which slave is associated with the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. (Matthew 24:45-47) That 1914 marked the end of the Gentile Times and the establishment of the Kingdom of God in the heavens, as well as the time for Christ’s foretold presence. (Luke 21:7-24; Revelation 11:15–12:10) That only 144,000 Christians will receive the heavenly reward. (Revelation 14:1, 3) That Armageddon, referring to the battle of the great day of God the Almighty, is near. (Revelation 16:14, 16; 19:11-21) That it will be followed by Christ’s Millennial Reign, which will restore an earth-wide paradise. That the first to enjoy it will be the present “great crowd” of Jesus’ “other sheep.”—John 10:16; Revelation 7:9-17; 21:3, 4."
       
      This is supposedly a list of the fundamental doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses that all are required to believe. You will in most cases be disfellowshiped for not believing in one or more of them. Unfortunately the truth is most of them are false.
    • By Jack Ryan
      If the love you have for your children is predicated on their beliefs, you don't love your children you love YOUR beliefs
    • By Jack Ryan
      In previous decades, when someone was disfellowshipped, they were told their time would be 6 months. Now it’s a full year?
      Why did that change from 6 mo to a year? and are they getting more ppl to come back with the increased time? With the less members staying in the org, you would think they want to lower the “jail time “
      Also are there any other religions that gives you months or years of time out, if you commit a sin, even if you actually want to come back?
      Also any former elders here? Why is there a standard set time for everyone? And why can they reject someone’s letter who wants to come back? Don’t they need more members ?
    • By Jack Ryan
      Jehovah's Witness Organization Redefines Shunning to Falsely.mp4
      Every JW visiting this page should MORALLY comment below and publicly state that this JW Lawyer is LYING through his teeth to the Canadian Supreme Court.
      If you don't, YOU participate in this gross sin. Because you ALL KNOW this is a false statement.
      Remember as well that this JW Lawyer is also an Officer of the Court.
      What the courts do not know is that JW's consider outright lying in court a part of "theocratic warfare" just like Muslims do. So it is a virtue to them.

      SMH.
      Can you spell P-E-R-J-U-R-Y?
    • By Jack Ryan
      "Sunday, December 30
      Asa’s heart was complete with Jehovah all his life.—1 Ki. 15:14.
      Each of us can examine his heart to see if it is fully devoted to God. Ask yourself, ‘Am I determined to please Jehovah, to defend true worship, and to protect his people from any corrupting influence?’ For example, what if someone close to you has to be disfellowshipped? Would you take decisive action by ceasing to associate with that person? What would your heart move you to do? Like Asa, you can show that you have a complete heart by fully relying on God when you are faced with opposition, even some that may seem insurmountable. You may be teased or ridiculed at school for taking a stand as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Or colleagues at work may taunt you for taking days off for spiritual activities or for not often working overtime. In such situations, pray to God, just as Asa did. (2 Chron. 14:11) Remain firm for what you know is right and wise. Remember that God strengthened and helped Asa, and He will strengthen you.
      w17.03 3:6-8 "
      https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/dt/r1/lp-e/2018/12/30
    • By Jack Ryan
      This was a case where in June 1987, the United States Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit upheld the Witnesses' right to shun those who fail to live by the group's standards and doctrines, upholding the ruling of a lower court.
      http://openjurist.org/819/f2d/875
      Has there been any cases after this, where DF cases went to court? Have there been cases in other countries were DF decisions were challenged and reversed?
    • By James Thomas Rook Jr.
      Here in the United States we have Cable TV with such things as "History Channel", "Discovery Channel", "Scifi Channel", and "A&E" the "Arts and Entertainment Channel".  Apparently around November 13 of this year they had a famous (?) TV star, Leah Remini,  who had been a Scientologist since she was eight years old turn Apostate, and she has done at least two TV seasons exposing the ills of the Church of Scientology", do an Expose' of Jehovah's Witnesses.
      I do not watch TV as a rule, and missed it, and I spent a few days looking for it and trying to download a copy.  It was not on YouTube, but I did find it under "Aftermath Jehovah's Witnesses" on the Russian equivalent of YouTube, "Rutube.ru". It would not download with my usual download software, so I had to find a free screen capture software, which took about four hours to get the settings just right, and I was able to download the two hour program from my monitor, as it was playing.
      Therefore, I watched the TV program three times, as I experimented with the settings to get a good screen copy to my hard drive..
      I could see both sides of the program viewpoints presented, and did not find us to be misrepresented in any way whatsoever ... but if there was EVER a clear example of the Law of Unintended Consequences, the horror the Governing Body has caused in disfellowshipping the way that it is currently done ... by ripping families apart, and creating  irreparable damage that can never be corrected with reinstatement, was chilling, and puts us in the same class as Scientologists ... which completely disregarding the horror and hardsip, and cruelty without any mercy whatsoever it creates locally, shames Jehovah's Name and Reputation over the whole planet.
      I don't believe there is anything a local Jehovah's Witness could do ... rob a bank ... have a harem ... have sex with horses ... etc., ad nauseum ... that would besmirch Jehovah's name and reputation globally as much as our current blatantly cruel public policies of destroying whole families for the sins of one person.
      I am very glad to have the education I have to know that the TRUTH is still the truth .... even though the 85% drivel has rotted and fermented into rotten sewage.
      Most JWs do NOT have this educational advantage ... so their lives are permanently destroyed.
      I don't expect much from people, and almost NOTHING from groups of people .... so for me, like getting one of those great salads at the Olive Garden Restaurant, and finding a big chunk of solid sewage in it ... I hold my nose, and eat around it.
      This TV Special is global news .... what could I possibly say to the average person that would clear the Name of God, that the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, NOT THE TELEVISION PROGRAM, has corrupted by its Pharisaic policies that have real world consequences?
      The exact same thing happened in ancient Israel, and a system that God blessed and supported for a thousand years and more was abandoned by God.
      The exact same thing.
       
       
       
       
    • By James Thomas Rook Jr.
      CAN A PERSON ... OR SHOULD A PERSON . BE DISFELLOWSHIPPED IN ABSTENSIA?
      Here is the situation .....  a person REPORTED to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses is accused, and NOT convicted ( ... because he is a fugitive from Justice ...) .....

      Apparently he was at one time in a "Position Of Authority", which possibly alludes to his being an  "Elder", and he may have relocated to another State or even another Country. Possibly using an alias.
      The  various Congregation Elders cannot find him, the Society cannot find him, and the U.S. Marshal's Service cannot find him.
      Not having any indication to the contrary ... at least from the information given in the pseudo-Wanted Poster shown above, he is possibly still officially one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
      Whether he is or not, his bad example raises an interesting  aspect of trying to figure out how the disfellowshipping "system" protocol actually works.
      Can any of the Congregations  he went to disfellowship him without his being present  to answer charges ?
      ... and SHOULD he be?
       
    • By James Thomas Rook Jr.
      DO  WE STILL  DISFELLOWSHIP  THE  MENTALLY  ILL ?
      I was a teenager in the 60's,  and I had a good friend that on Scout camping trips I introduced to the Truth, and I was there in NYC at Yankee Stadium when he was baptized as one of Jehovah's Witness. He was a true "straight arrow", and pioneered, always dressed immaculately, and eventually over the years became an Elder.
      One night, at an Elder's Meeting, he announced to the other Elders that he was Jesus Christ, and that his mother was the virgin Mary, and of course he was disfellowshipped.
      He spent several years in private mental institutions until his insurance money ran out, then in a State institution for several years.
      He called me up, and told me the story, and I told him I was the Great Turtleman, and every November, before I hibernated, I rose from the swamp and gave toys to all the good little boys and girls.  I was just pulling his leg, but he was dead serious.
      Later, he was in England, while his wife was trying without success to get him to take his medications, and fell over a balcony at Heathrow Airport and got killed.
      DO  WE STILL  DISFELLOWSHIP  THE  MENTALLY  ILL ?
       
    • By Jack Ryan
      from 2016 the year that they started the return to Jehovah brochure.
    • By Jack Ryan
      a heartbreaking video has emerged online showing how far reaching and deeply ingrained this shunning policy is; a video showing JehovahÂ’s Witnesses clapping in applause as a little girl announces she is shunning her own sister.
      Little Melody, and the sister she doesnÂ’t have.
      The incident appears to take place at one of this years Watchtower conventions. The video was posted on youtube by the girls parents, apprently eager to share with the world how they had trained one of their children to pretend her sister didnÂ’t exist purely on the basis of religious dogma.
      The video was comment-protected once viewers began expressing concern and displeasure at what they saw, but at the time of writing the video itself is still live and can be viewed below on the family’s youtube page. (EDIT 11/09/2017 – The video has been removed, but we have linked to an alternate site which has a copy)

      t shows a little girl called Melody. She is ten years old, and was apparently baptised when she was 9. This means that Melody is now committed to the religion for life, and will be shunned if she ever leaves, or “unrepentantly” breaks any of its vast array of detailed rules.
      During the interview, Melody explains that she has a sister who was “disfellowshipped,” which is the Witness term for one who is excommunicated; someone who was thrown out of the faith rather than leaving of their own accord. We are not told the reason for the disfellowshipping, but one can be subjected to it for a wide range of reasons such as pre-marital sex, celebrating Christmas or birthdays, voting, taking a blood transfusion, joining the military, or simply questioning any of the doctrines of the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
      Melody states that her sister was trying to contact her, and asking her to stay in contact despite Watchtower decreeing that she be shunned. Remember, MelodyÂ’s sister has probably lost all her family and friends at this point; everyone she ever knew and loved.
      Melody admits that she misses and loves her sister, but states that she was afraid that if she didnÂ’t cut her sister off completely, she might be tempted to keep some form of relationship going. Thus, she has decided to shun her completely, as Watchtower demands. She claims that this was to protect her relationship with Jehovah.
      The audience of JehovahÂ’s Witnesses watching this announcement applaud.
      Source
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But here we are dealing with word devices that some would qualify as legitimate and some would qualify as lie. Jesus would have been a consummate liar in the eyes of these critics, and that fact is better appreciated for how they kick back at the commander-in-chief that they loathe. Hyperbole? Jesus uses it all the time. Yes, he puts it to more noble use than Trump, but he is not shy about using it. He thinks it not a “lie” to use hyperbole—it is plainly a tool in his tool box—and it has the added benefit that the critics are separated out—they miss the point completely so as to object to blatant and unprovable exaggeration. Many of Jesus’ parables are not only hyperbole, but they are quirky hyperbole, such as the unrighteous judge who will not grant justice to the widow until she nags him nearly into an early grave—and that judge is used to illustrate how you ought to persist in prayer to the Father! (Luke 18:5) Metaphor? Strictly speaking, a metaphor is a “lie.” “The tongue is a fire,” says James. ‘It is not,’ would counter the Washington Post and you can almost imagine them testing this statement, evaluating the claim with a thermometer. “God is the potter and we are the clay,” says the Word—and the Washington Post logs two “lies.” “He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, and I shall resurrect him at the last day,” declares Jesus at John 6:54. Call that not a metaphor? It is even a metaphor that contributed (says Bart Ehrman) to accusations of cannibalism that served as a pretext for early Christian persecution. Ad hominem attack? That’s a type of lie, Trump’s detractors say, since they are stated “without evidence”—to borrow a media clarification that is now routinely applied to the President but has never been applied to any of the other countless scoundrels and blaggards of history. Jesus used ad hominem attack all the time. Pharisees were the “blind men leading the blind”, the “whitewashed graves hiding every sort of filth.” He would have been called out for lying each time in the Washington Post. Ask Jesus a question, and he will not answer it. He will ask a counter question instead that makes you scared to ask another. This is a major no-no to critical thinkers today, who insist that their questions be answered without resort to raising a “straw man.” Still, Jesus doesn’t care. He raises straw men as readily as he raised Lazerus. (Mark 11:27-33) Head games? I don’t know what in the world was Trump’s claim of huge inauguration attendance, easily debunked as a “lie” by just viewing the photos—so easily that it becomes clear he is playing a head game of some sort, clarified when KellyAnne comes on TV to speak of the “alternative facts” he would like media to pay attention to. Are not Jesus’ parables head games of a sort? He would never explain them to his critics—only afterwards to his disciples would he “explain all things,” and it served as a way of separating the wheat from the chaff. (Mark 4:34) Would he have granted an interview with the Washington Post to explain all those parables? I have my doubts. About this time we can send Trump packing off to the stables. I was never too comfortable bringing him in to begin with, so I waited for someone with TDS to do it, and Alan obliged—allowing me to point out with but diminished spiritual damage that Trump illustrates certain aspects of communication so perfectly that he becomes invaluable for just that reason.  You can even go further. Trump, by all accounts, represents “flyover country”—the common working people usually ignored by policymakers who are pursuing their own ends and careers. His enemies? Those policymakers—the “swamp,” the “elites,” the wonks that hail from Harvard and who live for the machinations of the beltway. And if you really want to get sacrilegious, you can recall that he descends on the golden escalator from his high and mighty perch, and announces to his “base:” “I am your voice.” You can even liken media’s relentless efforts to separate Trump from his “base” to the efforts of JW critics to separate the GB from its “base”—and for the same reason—that both might be better neutralized. I can think of only one other President who offered some of these same parallels: “The buck stops here,” “give em hell, Harry” Truman , who was despised by the “elites” then—even blue blood FDR kept his distance from his own “inferior” VP—on account of his crude demeanor and businessman origin. Like Trump, Truman’s elite enemies even gloated that they had won the election and later had to eat crow!—one of the iconic photos of American history is Truman holding aloft the (wrong) headline of his own defeat. He offers many of the same object lessons, but not as strikingly as Trump, mostly because people were more civil back then and opponents didn’t seek to gouge each other’s eyes out as they do now—a nod to the further applicability of 2 Timothy 3:1-5. (Wow. I just thought up the Truman parallel as I was writing this remark. The day I throw my hat in the ring to form my own sect, I will spin some sort of an anti-type out of both names beginning with ‘Tru”—what are the chances of that? And I will play on Truman being “True Man”—same as they did with Jim Carrey on the Truman Show. Yes, I like the idea more and more. Only....I cannot do this Mighty Ministry on my own! Send me your contributions—large or small!—(but large is preferred)—for the Lord’s sake I would gladly walk around in rags, but the fact of the matter is, I look so much better in the two-thousand dollar suit that I will buy with them)  
    • For he must reign until he puts all his enemies under his feet. 1 Cor 15:25 This is the declaration of the LORD to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool." 2 The LORD will extend your mighty scepter from Zion. Rule over your surrounding enemies.  Ps 110:1,2 Then Pilate went back into the headquarters, summoned Jesus, and said to him, "Are you the King of the Jews? ""My kingdom is not of this world," said Jesus. "If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would fight, so that I wouldn't be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my kingdom is not from here. "You are a king then? " Pilate asked. "You say that I'm a king," Jesus replied. "I was born for this, and I have come into the world for this: to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice." John 18:33,36,37  Now when they drew near Jerusalem, and came to Bethphage, at the Mount of Olives, then Jesus sent two disciples, 2 saying to them, “Go into the village opposite you, and immediately you will find a donkey tied, and a colt with her. Loose them and bring them to Me. 3 And if anyone says anything to you, you shall say, ‘The Lord has need of them,’ and immediately he will send them.” 4 [b]All this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying: 5 “Tell the daughter of Zion, ‘Behold, your King is coming to you, Lowly, and sitting on a donkey, A colt, the foal of a donkey.’ ”  Matt 21:1-5 All of the above scriptures show action performed by a ruling king – a King of Truth.  John 14:6 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, since God is making his appeal through us. We plead on Christ's behalf: "Be reconciled to God." 2 Cor 5:20 Can anyone be an ambassador for a king of a nation,  if the King is not in power? He has been putting his enemies at his feet since the first century, when the harvest began.  John 4:35  
    • Sounds like you disagree with what Brother Splane said when he admitted that over 100 teachings that had turned Bible parables and Bible historical narratives into specific prophecies were examples of going beyond the things written. But if you think about it, almost every single past error where the Watchtower has made an interpretation that was later changed was also a matter of going beyond the things written. Whenever there was a changed teaching where the Watchtower had said "this is what it means" instead of "this is what it might mean" was a matter of going beyond the things written. Therefore, there are hundreds of additional examples. And we should be very happy for this kind of progress. Yes. You've said this same thing previously, and I questioned you about it. Thanks for repeating it so I know it wasn't a mistake. You have compared the current Governing Body as a group much closer to modern-day Apostles than merely a modern-day version of the Council of Elders in Jerusalem. I still think this is a dangerous mistake, no matter how much we appreciate their work for the world-wide congregation. It sounds like you might disagree specifically with recent humble remarks made by Brother Herd. Sounds like you believe this was only "mock humility." No, it merely means that I have seen what the Watchtower has said (and admitted) about this topic, and you apparently do not wish to accept what they have said on the topic.. That would be quite an accusation against the Watchtower, since the point made was about the desire of the GB to make corrections for us in the Watchtower. Obviously you don't believe this as can be seen in the sentence you wrote right after that one. If their passion is to correct, I see this as a very good thing, not trying to be equal to Christ (or the apostles, for that matter). I believe the Watchtower is misrepresenting a couple of issues, but these have not become an obstacle to my faith. I was fortunate enough to be given some heads up and preparation for things that would have otherwise been painful to discover on my own. I was happy to know that others had already discovered these things and still wanted to continue associating and encouraging their brothers and sisters to accept our situation and navigate through it with faith intact. And I think that exposure of such issues has had a very positive impact on the doctrinal changes we have seen in the last couple of decades especially. I skimmed over what JTR and TTH said about contacting the Watchtower directly. I have done this several times myself with surprisingly good answers at times. It's nothing to make light of in my opinion.  
    • RECHERCHONS DES PERLES SPIRITUELLES - SEMAINE DU 16 Décembre 2019 - Révélation 13-16.docx RECHERCHONS DES PERLES SPIRITUELLES - SEMAINE DU 16 Décembre 2019 - Révélation 13-16.pdf Recherchons des perles spirituelles (8 min) : Révélation 13-16 Révélation 16:13, 14 : Comment les nations seront-elles rassemblées pour « la guerre du grand jour de Dieu le Tout-Puissant » ? (w09 15/2 4 § 5). « Et j’ai vu trois paroles inspirées impures qui ressemblaient à des grenouilles sortir de la gueule du dragon et de la gueule de la bête sauvage et de la bouche du faux prophète. 14 Ce sont en effet des paroles inspirées par des démons, et elles produisent des signes, et elles sortent vers les rois de toute la terre habitée, afin de les rassembler pour la guerre du grand jour de Dieu le Tout-Puissant. » Les “ paroles inspirées impures ” symbolisent la propagande démoniaque qui a pour but d’empêcher que les rois de la terre ne se laissent ébranler par le déversement des sept bols de la fureur de Dieu, mais aussi de manœuvrer ces rois pour qu’ils s’opposent à Jéhovah. - w09 15/2 4 § 5 Satan sera très en colère. Il exprimera sa colère en se servant d’une propagande démoniaque — des « paroles inspirées impures » — pour pousser une coalition de nations à s’attaquer aux serviteurs de Jéhovah. Cette coalition de nations est appelée « Gog du pays de Magog ». Comme un marionnettiste, Satan va manipuler les puissances politiques et les forces armées pour qu’elles lancent un assaut sur tous ceux qui adorent Jéhovah Dieu. Quand ces nations se mettront à attaquer les serviteurs de Dieu, elles seront arrivées au lieu symbolique appelé Armaguédon – TG2019/9 §13 En Révélation 16:13, des “ paroles inspirées impures ” sont comparées à des grenouilles, ce qui est approprié puisque, sous la Loi mosaïque, les grenouilles étaient impures, impropres à la consommation.- it-1 p1029 Révélation 16:21 : Quel message allons-nous sûrement proclamer juste avant la fin du monde de Satan ? (w15 15/7 16 § 9). « Puis d’énormes grêlons, d’environ un talent chacun, sont tombés du ciel sur les humains, et les humains ont blasphémé contre Dieu à cause du fléau de la grêle, car ce fléau était d’une ampleur exceptionnelle. » 9 Ce ne sera pas le moment de prêcher la « bonne nouvelle du royaume ». Ce temps-là sera révolu. L’époque de « la fin » sera arrivée ! (Mat. 24:14). Les serviteurs de Dieu proclameront sans aucun doute un message de jugement percutant. Celui-ci pourrait bien comporter une déclaration annonçant que la fin complète du monde de Satan est imminente. La Bible compare ce message à une grêle. On lit : « Une grande grêle, dont chaque grêlon pesait environ un talent, est descendue du ciel sur les hommes, et les hommes ont blasphémé Dieu à cause de la plaie de la grêle, parce que grande était sa plaie, extraordinairement » (Rév. 16:21). - w15 15/7 16 § 9 Les grêlons symboliques mentionnés en Révélation 16:21, d’un poids d’environ un talent (20,4 kg selon le système grec), seraient une plaie dévastatrice. La fin de ce monde approchant, la proclamation des jugements de Jéhovah à l’encontre du système mauvais de Satan comprendra probablement des messages verbaux très virulents représentés, selon toute vraisemblance, par de la grêle. Cela dit, la majorité des humains continuera à blasphémer Dieu. – TG2009  15/2 p4 Le moment viendra peut-être où notre message sera comme “ un grand cri de guerre ”. Dans le livre de la Révélation, de puissants messages de jugement sont décrits comme “ une grande grêle, dont chaque grêlon pesait environ un talent ”. Quel rôle le ministère de maison en maison jouera-t-il dans la proclamation de ces ultimes messages de jugement ? Nous ne le savons pas encore. Mais ce dont nous pouvons être sûrs, c’est qu’avant la fin de “ la grande tribulation ”, le nom de Jéhovah aura été rendu public comme jamais dans toute l’histoire humaine – TG2008  15/7 p7 §16 Pendant la grande tribulation, notre message sera sans doute différent de celui que nous prêchons maintenant. Aujourd’hui, nous annonçons la bonne nouvelle du Royaume et nous nous efforçons de faire des disciples. Mais pendant la grande tribulation, nous prêcherons certainement un message percutant comparable à d’énormes grêlons (Rév. 16:21). Nous proclamerons peut-être la destruction très prochaine du monde de Satan. Le moment venu, nous saurons exactement quel message proclamer et comment le faire. Utiliserons-nous les mêmes méthodes que celles que nous utilisons depuis plus de 100 ans pour accomplir notre ministère ? Ou en utiliserons-nous d’autres ? Nous verrons bien. En tout cas, il semble que nous aurons l’honneur de proclamer courageusement le message de jugement de Jéhovah Notre message poussera très probablement les nations à essayer de mettre définitivement fin à notre prédication. Tout comme nous avons besoin du soutien de Jéhovah quand nous prêchons aujourd’hui, nous aurons besoin de compter sur lui à ce moment-là. Nous pouvons être sûrs que notre Dieu nous ‘remplira de force’ pour que nous puissions faire sa volonté  - TG2019/10  §8,9 Qu’est-ce que la lecture biblique de cette semaine t’a appris sur Jéhovah ? La Bible parle d’un ange qui dit aux habitants de toute la terre d’adorer Dieu (Révélation 14:6, 7). Comment fait-il ? Est-ce qu’il crie du haut du ciel pour être entendu par tout le monde ? — Non. Ce sont les disciples de Jésus sur la terre qui parlent de Dieu autour d’eux, et les anges les aident dans cette tâche. Ils veillent à ce que tous les humains qui veulent vraiment connaître Dieu aient l’occasion d’entendre parler de lui. Nous aussi, nous pouvons participer à cette prédication et recevoir l’aide des anges. – Enseignant p65 ‘ Une bonne nouvelle éternelle à annoncer ’ et qu’il dit d’une voix forte : “ Craignez Dieu et rendez-lui gloire, parce que l’heure de son jugement est venue. ” (Révélation 14:6, 7). Cette “ heure ” de jugement est une période courte qui englobe à la fois le moment où les jugements divins décrits dans la prophétie sont prononcés et celui où ils sont exécutés. Nous vivons actuellement cette période. Aujourd’hui, avant que l’heure du jugement ne s’achève, l’exhortation retentit : “ Craignez Dieu et rendez-lui gloire. ” Qu’implique-t-elle ? Craindre Dieu comme il convient, c’est se détourner du mal – TG2005  1/5 p23 Révélation 15:3 dit : « Grandes et prodigieuses sont tes œuvres, Jéhovah Dieu, le Tout-Puissant. Justes et vraies sont tes manières d’agir, Roi d’éternité. » Que veut dire le titre « Tout-Puissant » ? Que Jéhovah est la personne la plus puissante de l’univers. Et que veut dire le titre « Roi d’éternité » ? Qu’il est éternel, c’est-à-dire qu’il a toujours existé – Enseigne p13 La Bible dit de Jéhovah : “ Toi seul tu es fidèle. ” (Révélation 15:4). Comment est-ce possible ? Des humains et des anges n’ont-ils pas, eux aussi, manifesté une fidélité remarquable. Et Jésus Christ ? N’est-il pas le “ fidèle ” de Dieu ? Alors pourquoi affirmer que Jéhovah seul est fidèle ? C’est d’abord parce que la fidélité relève de l’amour. Puisque “ Dieu est amour ”, qu’il en est la personnification, qui donc pourrait manifester la fidélité plus complètement que lui. Les anges et les humains ont bien la faculté de refléter ses attributs, mais lui seul est fidèle au sens absolu. Et puis, étant “ l’Ancien des jours ”, il exerce la bonté de cœur depuis plus longtemps que n’importe laquelle de ses créatures, céleste ou terrestre. Jéhovah est donc le modèle suprême de fidélité ; aucune de ses créatures ne soutient la comparaison. - Approchez-vous de Jéhovah  p282 §7,8 Que se passera-t-il après la destruction des fausses religions ? Ce sera le moment de révéler ce que nous avons vraiment dans le cœur. Il ne faut pas s’attendre à ce que l’interruption, le répit, qui se produira durant la grande tribulation donne lieu à un afflux de nouveaux croyants. Par contre, elle offrira à tous les vrais croyants la possibilité de prouver leur amour pour Jéhovah et de soutenir les frères du Christ. Bien que nous ne connaissions pas dans le détail tout ce qui se produira durant cette période d’épreuve, attendons-nous à devoir faire des sacrifices. Pour rester en vie, les chrétiens du Ier siècle ont dû abandonner leurs biens et endurer des privations. Serons-nous disposés à subir des pertes matérielles pour rester fidèles ? Serons-nous prêts à faire tout ce qu’il faudra pour prouver notre fidélité à Jéhovah ? Songe un peu : Comme le prophète Daniel en son temps, nous serons les seuls, en ces jours-là, à continuer d’adorer Dieu, coûte que coûte. Ce ne sera pas le moment de prêcher la « bonne nouvelle du royaume ». Ce temps-là sera révolu. L’époque de « la fin » sera arrivée. Les serviteurs de Dieu proclameront sans aucun doute un message de jugement percutant. Celui-ci pourrait bien comporter une déclaration annonçant que la fin complète du monde de Satan est imminente. La Bible compare ce message à une grêle. On lit : « Une grande grêle, dont chaque grêlon pesait environ un talent, est descendue du ciel sur les hommes, et les hommes ont blasphémé Dieu à cause de la plaie de la grêle, parce que grande était sa plaie, extraordinairement » (Rév. 16:21).  TG2015 15/7 p16 Quelles autres perles spirituelles as-tu découvertes dans la lecture biblique de cette semaine ? Rév.13:1-4, 18. “ Une bête sauvage ” symbolisant les gouvernements humains monte “ de la mer ”, c’est-à-dire des masses agitées de l’humanité. Cette bête, que Satan a créée et dotée de pouvoir, porte le nombre 666, ce qui souligne son degré élevé d’imperfection. Sachant ce que représente cette bête, nous ne la suivons pas avec admiration ni ne l’adorons, contrairement à ce que font les humains en général. – TG2009  15/2 p4 Rév.13:8 — Qu’est-ce que “ le rouleau de vie de l’Agneau ” ? Il s’agit d’un rouleau symbolique où ne sont inscrits que les noms de ceux qui sont appelés à régner avec Jésus Christ dans son Royaume céleste, y compris les noms des chrétiens oints qui sont encore sur la terre. Les premiers noms qui y ont été inscrits l’ont été à la Pentecôte de l’an 33. Par la suite, un nombre sans cesse croissant de noms y a été ajouté. Depuis 1918, l’œuvre consistant à sceller le reste des 144 000 héritiers du Royaume est entrée dans sa phase finale. Bientôt, tous auront leur nom écrit de façon indélébile dans le rouleau de vie de l’Agneau.– TG2009  15/2 p3 Adorer la “ bête sauvage ” et son “ image ”, leur rendre hommage ou s’incliner devant elles revient à les servir, car leurs adorateurs s’identifient à des partisans de “ la bête sauvage ” et de son “ image ” par une marque sur la main (avec laquelle on sert) ou sur le front (visible de tous). Puisque c’est le Diable qui donne à la bête sauvage son pouvoir, adorer la bête sauvage signifie en réalité adorer ou servir le Diable. — Ré 13:4, 15-17 - it-1 p574 13:11-13 — En quel sens la bête sauvage à deux cornes agit-elle comme un dragon et fait-elle descendre du feu du ciel ? Le fait que la bête sauvage à deux cornes, identifiée à la Puissance mondiale anglo-américaine, parle comme un dragon signifie qu’elle recourt aux menaces, aux pressions et à la violence pour forcer les gens à accepter son type de domination. Elle fait descendre du feu du ciel en ce sens qu’elle s’attribue le rôle d’un prophète en prétendant qu’elle a vaincu les forces du mal au cours des deux guerres mondiales du XXe siècle et qu’elle l’a emporté sur le communisme. – TG2009  15/2 La virginité spirituelle. Tout comme le grand prêtre en Israël ne pouvait épouser qu’une vierge, de même le Grand Prêtre souverain, Jésus Christ, ne peut avoir au ciel qu’une “ vierge ” pour “ épouse ” spirituelle. L’épouse de Christ se compose de 144 000 personnes ointes de l’esprit, qui, individuellement, préservent leur ‘ virginité ’ en se tenant séparées du monde et en se gardant pures sur les plans moral et doctrinal. — Ré 14:1, 4 – it-1 p1153 En raison de toute la propagande satanique faite dans le monde, les paroles que Jean met maintenant par écrit sont vraiment appropriées : “ Écoute ! Je viens comme un voleur. Heureux celui qui reste éveillé et garde ses vêtements de dessus, pour qu’il ne marche pas nu et qu’on regarde sa honte. ” (Révélation 16:15). Qui vient “ comme un voleur ” ? Jésus lui-même, qui arrive à une heure non précisée en qualité d’Exécuteur au service de Jéhovah. Lorsqu’il était encore sur la terre, Jésus a également comparé sa venue à celle d’un voleur, en disant : “ Veillez donc, parce que vous ne savez pas quel jour votre Seigneur vient. Voilà pourquoi, vous aussi, montrez-vous prêts, car c’est à une heure que vous ne pensez pas que le Fils de l’homme vient. ” (Matthieu 24:42, 44 ; Luc 12:37, 40). Faisant écho à cet avertissement, l’apôtre Paul a dit : “ Le jour de Jéhovah vient exactement comme un voleur dans la nuit. Quand ils diront : ‘ Paix et sécurité ! ’ alors une destruction subite sera sur eux à l’instant même. ” “ Paix et sécurité ! ” : toute proclamation de ce genre est trompeuse ; elle émane de Satan. – re chap32 §27 En Révélation 16:15, Jésus nous avertit qu’une chose similaire peut arriver de nos jours. Les prêtres et les Lévites préfiguraient les frères oints de Jésus. Mais, par extension, la mise en garde de Jésus concerne aussi la grande foule. Les vêtements de dessus en question identifient ceux qui les portent à des chrétiens Témoins de Jéhovah. S’ils laissaient les pressions que le monde de Satan exerce sur eux les faire sombrer dans le sommeil, ou l’inactivité, ils perdraient probablement ces vêtements de dessus ; en d’autres termes, ils cesseraient d’être identifiés à des chrétiens purs. Cette situation les couvrirait de honte. Ils risqueraient d’aller à un échec complet. - re chap32 §30 “ Et elles [les paroles inspirées par les démons] les ont rassemblés [les rois ou dirigeants humains] au lieu qu’on appelle en hébreu Armaguédon. ” (Révélation 16:16). Ce nom n’apparaît qu’une seule fois dans la Bible, mais il a enflammé l’imagination des hommes. Les dirigeants du monde mettent les hommes en garde contre l’éventualité d’un Armaguédon nucléaire. Le terme Armaguédon étant également associé à la ville antique de Meguiddo, qui fut le théâtre de nombreuses batailles décisives aux temps bibliques, des chefs religieux en ont déduit que la guerre ultime qui sera livrée sur la terre aura lieu dans cette petite région du globe. Ils sont en cela fort éloignés de la vérité. Ce nom ne désigne toutefois pas un lieu réel, mais représente la situation dans laquelle toutes les nations en opposition avec Jéhovah Dieu sont rassemblées et seront finalement détruites par lui. Il s’agit d’une situation mondiale - re chap32 §31,32
    • Moving forward, 7:25 He will speak words against the Most High, and he will continually harass the holy ones of the Supreme One. He will intend to change times and law, and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time. 26 But the Court sat, and they took away his rulership,* in order to annihilate him and to destroy him completely. 27 “‘And the kingdom and the rulership and the grandeur of the kingdoms under all the heavens were given to the people who are the holy ones of the Supreme One. Their kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all rulerships will serve and obey them.’28 “This is the end of the matter. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts alarmed me greatly, so that I turned pale; but I kept the matter in my own heart.” I have read the book Pay Attention to Daniel Prophesy many times. I agree with the description of events of Daniel 7. Jehovah has let the world alone,that all events are mans mistakes. I see this as the first physical act against Satan's world? As I read 7:25,26,27 it appears an event happens 3-1/2 times or 3-1/2 years before the entire Kingdom takes possession of the Earth at Armageddon.   Is this a fulfillment after the persecution of the GB after 1914 as written in the Daniel book of chapter 9?
    • Are you for real? You know nothing about me.....and the tests I had to face....  But I know the word of God and I have paid my dues.  My daughter had cancer and had surgery  which lasted the entire day..... without blood and she was 8 and half months old.  .... If she had taken blood she would not have survived.  It is what the doctors and this world don't tell you that is important!  I can share all the info I learnt  with you to prove to you that the bible is absolutely right when it cautions us to abstain from blood. .... if you are interested I can inform you. It takes the liver 30 days to break down foreign blood in the system..... if the person is too weak they get anaphalactic shock from the blood transfusion - which is never given as the reason for death on the death certificate. ..... always complications from surgery. Life is important to me ..... but everlasting life is more important. 
    • Are you honest? I have just seen you bashing JWs, never acknowledging anything good about them.   You have given me labels many times in your so-called bias - search for something which can only be called truth if it confirms to your personal viewpoint.  How unrealistic this expectation in a wicked world...... Do you believe the bible?   Yes or No ?   God himself chose king Saul for his humility and then saul turned aside and became unapproved.... to the extent that he visited the witch if Endor calling up the dead.   Jesus chose Jude himself after praying with holy spirit and jude later became  wicked (practicing theft, deceit) and eventually betrayed him.....  We can try to obtain a clean congregation but there will always be individuals who can turn wicked and create problems until someone speaks up and evidence is obtained.   And if the government cannot get a conviction ?  Then we only have rumours to go on..... which is unloving if there is no proof.  The bible itself says we must not defame others.  It is also a grave offence.  This is why it is hard to obtain perfection. Do we err on the side of obtaining justice or mercy...... because both these attributes are important.
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