I confess that I am falling well short of the 100 times a day that I ought. I ask your forgiveness. Human limitations is the only excuse I have to offer.
If you negate the upside, then all there is left to look at is the downside, and that is the case with many here.
I keep coming back to a line from The Scarlet Letter: “It is remarkable, that persons who speculate the most boldly often conform with the most perfect quietude to the external regulations of society.”
Nobody speculates more boldly, departing from the herd-like thinking of this world, than Jehovah’s Witnesses. True to that Hawthorn line, they have no difficulty conforming to the “external regulations of their society.”
Though Hawthorn does not say it, the reverse is also true. Those who cannot “conform to the external regulations of that society” and so leave it, perhaps guys like Shiwiiiii, are the most non-bold thinkers of all. They are individualistic in superfluous ways, but conformist in all the ways that matter.
Perhaps you are reading something into the book of Jude that I haven't been able to see. To me, the reason for the letter was this:
I say this because some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches, saying that God’s marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives.
This was similar to the problem in Corinth, where certain brothers were PROUD that they could put up with a notorious case of incest, due to a misunderstanding and misuse of "undeserved kindness."
(1 Corinthians 5:1, 2) . . .Actually sexual immorality is reported among you, and such immorality as is not even found among the nations—of a man living with his father’s wife. 2 And are you proud of it? Should you not rather mourn, so that the man who committed this deed should be taken away from your midst?
Such persons who used the idea of forgiveness, mercy, and undeserved kindness (grace), as an excuse for loose/brazen conduct were not blowing the whistle on wrongdoing, but were PROMOTING wrongdoing. It was the same as dismissing and speaking abusively against things that Jesus himself had said to "prove false to our only owner and Lord, Jesus Christ." Michael wouldn't even speak abusively of the Devil and yet these people are going to go further than that and think it's OK to speak abusively of Jesus and the angels?
It's also possible that the leaders (elders) are considered the "glorious ones" but this makes less sense to me. Perhaps a topic for further discussion?
:)) sorry for poor quality of video. Language is Croatian with few Italian refren.
Train To Genoa
I haven't seen you for a long time
And now I am on my way to you
On the cold window glass
Your name and Rijeka - Genoa
I haven't seen you for a long time
Are you still the one I know?
This train is cozy
But I'm restless
I'm drinking my third coffee
On the train to Genoa
Do you still love me, tell me
What does your heart say
Are we still together
If that's not love
Tell me what is love
Tell me truthfully
I remember everything
You can see the bay
Ships' lights from your room
But I, I don't want it to end
This train is running late
I hope you're waiting for me
You made good points. I would like to reformulate idea in question you put in focus:
Are you ready to die for beliefs ?
Nothing about to die for core doctrines or less important doctrines. Because they can be changed. They can be truth, of course, but they can be useless fantasy, too.
Yes but everything was kept 'in house' back then. And still is probably.
The American courts / authorities can't even get their hands on the 20 + year Child Sexual Abuse database which should have been handed over years ago. So who knows what's hidden in there.
There are probably documents hidden away that go back 70 + years. Didn't Australia have info from 50 years ago that the ARC used ? I would think USA info would go back further.
It would be wonderful to see the whole Watchtower / JW Org / GB opened up wide to the public, in the public interest. Then, and only then, could people make a sensible judgement as to if they want to be part of that Org.
You may think I want the JW Org / Watchtower Soc' to crash, but in truth I don't. I just want it made clean. As @TrueTomHarley says (100 times a day) that some folks are only looking at the downside of the GB and it's Org. BUT Genuine people will be trying to find TRUTH within the muck, that's all.
And @TrueTomHarley also said "She knows there is a downside. She knows it is a price well worth paying in view of the upside... "
To quote John Butler, (as Mr Harley is convinced that is who I am), Collateral Damage then.
The victims of Child Sexual Abuse, the victims of wrongful disfellowshipping, the victims of wrongful shunning.
The Lies told by the Writing dept and the GB. The false teachings. The false predictions.
One could also include the unnecessary deaths of people dying through lack of blood, but that one is still debatable as the true meaning of the scriptures on that are not exactly known. Hence the GB keep moving the goal posts. And i will believe Matthew 12 v 9 -12. where Jesus talks about saving lives.
@Arauna only' knows it is a price well worth paying' because she isn't actually paying that price.
Don't include everyone with this fallacy. Not everyone here is a trouble maker. Some of us understand and support scripture. That some of us can speak of it without getting into trouble, that's a different story.