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False. Everyone should deny falsehoods. I agree that former Witnesses can be dishonest. I wouldn't judge them as the least honest people alive.  I have seen evidence of some dishonesty among so

Exactly! I gave actual facts and you just keep giving non-specific generalities and complaints that a small percentage of the actual facts and evidence from Watch Tower publications were also found on

Grey Reformer: Your entire thinking processes are contaminated by your honorable but misguided agenda. You cannot defend what is indefensible, and expect to win an argument based on reason a

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Billy downvoted about a hundred or so of my posts in the last day or so, that I posted over the past year or so.   I got copies of each post downvoted in my email, yesterday.

I enjoyed reviewing what I had said.

When he does that, does EVERYBODY get a copy of what he down votes, or just the person being down voted.?

After about 70, I got bored, and realized how Adolph Hitler got people to agree with him, no matter what he said or did..

Billy appears to think EVERYTHING the Watchtower has ever said, or written, is the Word of God.

This collective body of thought is only best guesses ... assuming the very best of motives, and no interest in keeping money and power, and building an Earthly empire of rank and privilege. beautiful buildings, and the adoration of many millions of Jehovah's Witnesses, and an unlimited expense account.

My rough guess is that 85% of everything that they have ever said is self aggrandizing drivel, and flat wrong .... but then again, what I did learn from "The Truth" over the past 60 years ... that precious 15% ... has made my life better, and kept me from getting killed or incarcerated, and given me three magnificent children, so there is that!

...and of course, there is a great joy and satisfaction of actually know the REAL truth about who the Creator of the Universe is !

Holding to THAT Truth has allowed me to swim with sharks without being eaten alive.

I think it was American Patriot Nathan Hale who said "My Country, right or wrong ... but my Country".

I am inclined to share those sentiments about the truth, in "The Truth".

What should I do  ? ... wait until it's perfect?

That does NOT include supporting or agreeing with the 85%, as BillytheKid46 does.

... and defending the indefensible.

 

 

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1 hour ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

That does NOT include supporting or agreeing with the 85%, as BillytheKid46 does.

... and defending the indefensible.

 

 

@James Thomas Rook Jr.

Perhaps we would discuss the percentage:


Accuracy regarding the prophecies of our day: zero. But hey, I believe that Jesus did not appoint any steward to interpret prophecies,
rather, as stewards, everyone, and especially those who have more authority (the governing body) should feed and care for others. Although I prefer that there is a central doctrinal authority, better than each congregation to believe its own.

But, as others and I have commented previously, I feel very grateful for:

  • Dismantle the demonic teaching in hell of fire (official doctrine even today of orthodox Judaism, nominal Christianity and Islam, another thing is that ordinary believers do not believe it).
  • Having learned the biblical truth about death, the hereafter, the soul and related subjects.
  • Instead of thinking that God will destroy the Earth, believe rather that Jehovah will create a wonderful paradise, and see how that fits in with the original Purpose.
  • VERY especially, not only knowing the divine name, but having learned the importance of using it, as well as the characteristics of the person and personality of God (as it is not a Trinity, for example)
  • Something that has helped us all, I am sure, is to understand the question of Universal Sovereignty (I have read works of scholars on Job who do not at all convey such precious teaching)

This core of teachings, among others, I would say are 90 percent wonderful. Maybe we have 10 percent of "nonsense" in between.

And then there is everything related to the "organization": Bethel houses, branches, the way of dressing of "mature" men and women, the way of exercising authority in the congregation and many similar things ... instead of putting a Percentage (because I am somewhat ashamed to write it) I will only say that I think it happens to us like the apostles when they were impressed by the temple stones. Jesus corrects them by explaining their relative value, in fact, predicting their early destruction.

(let the reader use discernment) Mt 24:15

 

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