At what moment "The Truth" has ceased to be "The Truth"?

[Equivocation]

@Srecko Sostar Back to your old tricks, Frida? 

[Baruq JW]

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Nobody thinks that the Master is coming any second now more than the Governing Body.

Did not Jesus come back in 1919, when he inspected his house and appointed the FDS?

[Evacuated]

3 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

So, if i am totally wrong then I have hope in God that His Christ will guide me to the right way.

Now you're talking. Keep following that thread.

[Space Merchant]

3 hours ago, Equivocation said:

@JOHN BUTLER He isn't wrong. The Watchtower has never made any sort of claims of being an inspired prophet, and there's information to even further back that up. You don't have to like us Jehovah's Witnesses to realize that. What I do find funny is that you said you dont judge or assume things. Now look at you.

And that is the problem. I told witness before as to you cannot twist one's words to make it seem they make the claim of inspired prophets, and when asked, he did not deliver, to Butler, he did not deliver, to Srecko, he did not deliver.

So the problem now is this whole inspired prophet claim was built on lies, granted that no credible claim has been made by the WT, nor as it ever been made since their early days as Bible Students. To add more fuel to the fire, the claim of inspired prophet is very unlikely to be called by Non-Trinitarians.

So this alone should tell you, why would one commit to claim when it is clear slander?

 

Anyone can claim to be a prophet of a prophet-like community, but no one would give claim to being or is one of inspired prophets - not even Muslims would play that card.

[TrueTomHarley]

4 hours ago, Baruq JW said:

Did not Jesus come back in 1919, when he inspected his house and appointed the FDS?

There you have it, then!

Not only is the return of the Lord just around the corner, it is clear done and gone per this understanding. Either way, my point stands: that John is clearly smoking something if he if likens the Governing Body to ones complaining that the Master is delaying.

Will this understanding of the early twentieth century stand the test of time? We will see. It's all very well to be second-guessing and sniping those taking the lead if it is in addition to participating in the disciple gathering activity Christ commanded. Hopefully, that is the case with you.

Far more often, though, such pontificating is instead of participation, with the ones carrying on so imagining they are discernment personified.

One can always go join someone else's preaching campaign. I hear that the Independence Day Church just translated their website into Pig Latin.

[Srecko Sostar]

example 1) "Those who do not read can hear, for God has on earth today a prophetlike organization, just as he did in the days of the early Christian congregation."Watchtower 1964 Oct 1 p.601

example 2) "So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? 
IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET" 
These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet? 
... This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses. 
... Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. Thus this group of anointed followers of Jesus Christ, doing a work in Christendom paralleling Ezekiel's work among the Jews, were manifestly the modern-day Ezekiel, the "prophet" commissioned by Jehovah to declare the good news of God's Messianic kingdom and to give warning to Christendom."Watchtower 1972 Apr 1 pp.197-199 'They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them'

example 3) "commissioned to serve as the mouthpiece and active agent of Jehovah … commission to speak as a prophet in the name of Jehovah…" The Nations Shall Know that I am Jehovah" - How? pp.58,62

 

Prophecy

Definition: An inspired message; a revelation of the divine will and purpose. Prophecy may be a prediction of something to come, inspired moral teaching, or an expression of a divine command or judgment. -Reasoning book

 

False Prophets

Definition: Individuals and organizations proclaiming messages that they attribute to a superhuman source but that do not originate with the true God and are not in harmony with his revealed will. - Reasoning book

 

If Someone Says—

‘My minister said that Jehovah’s Witnesses are the false prophets’

You might reply: ‘May I ask, Did he show you anything in the Bible that describes what we believe or do and that says people of that sort would be false prophets? . . . May I show you how the Bible describes false prophets? (Then use one or more of the points outlined on pages 132-136.)’

Or you could say: ‘I’m sure you’ll agree that specific evidence should back up such a serious charge. Did your minister mention any specific examples? (If householder refers to some claimed “predictions” that did not come to pass, use material on page 134, and from the bottom of page 135 to the top of 137.)’

Another possibility: ‘I’m sure that if someone accused you of something similar, you would welcome the opportunity at least to explain your position or point of view, wouldn’t you? . . . So may I show you from the Bible . . . ?’

True prophets and the false can be recognized by the fruitage manifest in their lives and the lives of those who follow them - Reasoning book

Here we can see how WT never clearly making statement how JW organization is not prophet-like organization or God's mouthpiece organization. GB are not rejecting existence of true prophets in this modern times.  They only rejecting accusations about claims how they, GB and JW members are viewed as FALSE prophets. WT reject only word FALSE in connection to prophets. 

By quoted WT articles JW organization stand on quiet and shy claim that JW are "prophets" (of some sort), because they manifest fruitage in their lives, because JW revealing divine will and purpose, because JW spreading inspired moral teaching, because JW announcing divine command or judgment. This specific Organized worldwide activity support self vision on own importance in this role as "prophet-like" agents.

[Srecko Sostar]

5 hours ago, Equivocation said:

@Srecko Sostar Back to your old tricks, Frida? 

 

[Space Merchant]

@Srecko Sostar Nothing of which you posted even states the claim of inspired prophet. The constant flailing coupled with the rehashing of what was already posted does not do much in your favor.

 

Therefore, the claim of inspired prophet remains unfounded. You wouldn't catch a Non-Trinitarian say they are an inspired prophet anywhere.

Also it shows you clearly do not know the difference between a prophet and an inspired prophet - that is rather telling. That alone tells you were you sit in regards to Spiritual Wisdom.

[JOHN BUTLER]

7 hours ago, Equivocation said:

@JOHN BUTLER He isn't wrong. The Watchtower has never made any sort of claims of being an inspired prophet, and there's information to even further back that up. You don't have to like us Jehovah's Witnesses to realize that. What I do find funny is that you said you dont judge or assume things. Now look at you.

OK. show me exactly where I have said the Watchtower is an inspired prophet ?  I don't actually use the W/t as an example. I usually say  the GB and JW Org.

And who isn't wrong ?  If you mean S. M. then one of his faults is that he lumps us all together, Srecko, me and others.  If Srecko says something that SM doesn't agree with then SM on many occasions includes me in his reply. 

Please be 100% sure and have proof when you accuse me of saying / writing something. 

As for my opinions about the GB and the Organisation as a whole then i make true statements. If you call that judging ok so be it.

 

[JOHN BUTLER]

7 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Few comments could be more obtuse than this.

Nobody thinks that the Master is coming any second now more than the Governing Body.

Likely you have complained about that on other threads.

Really ? They thought 1914, and 1975, so surely they think he is late now  

 

[Kosonen]

The problem with the GB is that they don't approve anointed or not anointed JWs to come with alternative explanations to Bible verses. You just have to accept as JW the explanations GB provides how silly or stupid they sound. And you can not question a particular GB explanation. If you do that you are not allowed to be a part of the JW congregation any more.

Why that? I remember it was explained as if you don't trust GB, then you don't trust God or Jesus.

[JOHN BUTLER]

1 hour ago, Kosonen said:

The problem with the GB is that they don't approve anointed or not anointed JWs to come with alternative explanations to Bible verses. You just have to accept as JW the explanations GB provides how silly or stupid they sound. And you can not question a particular GB explanation. If you do that you are not allowed to be a part of the JW congregation any more.

Why that? I remember it was explained as if you don't trust GB, then you don't trust God or Jesus.

Exactly right. And that is called dictatorship. Those men, 8 of them now, put themselves in power as the Faithful and Discreet slave. And no one (in their opinion) is allowed to have a different opinion to theirs. If you voice a different opinion you will disfellowshipped for 'causing a division in the congregation'.  My own brother in an Elder and he confirms that this is the reason they use to remove people. 

The GB pretend they have the only route to God, whereas the bible tells us for sure that Jesus Christ is the one that is the 'doorway' between us and God. Proof of that being, we pray to God through Jesus Christ.  John 14 v ⁶  Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.