Jehovah’s Witnesses have always claimed with absolute certainty that Armageddon is just a few years away. 140 some years later, it still hasn’t happened. What makes them think it’ll still happen?

[The Librarian]

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Agape!

 

[JOHN BUTLER]

1 hour ago, The Librarian said:

Question sent in for me to post.

Agape!

 

When  i started studying, all those years ago, I was taught that each Creative day was 7,000 years long. And that God's 'rest day' would also be 7,000 years. The teaching being that humans would live for 6,000 years then Armageddon would come. Then the 1,000 year reign of Christ, then he would hand back everything to Jehovah. 

I think the end of the 6,000 years was 1975. but of course, no Armageddon. 

It seems now the teaching is that they have no idea how long a Creative Day was. It would seem logical then that they have no idea when Armageddon will come. But they have to keep frightening people to keep them in the JW Org. 

( So did God tell the 'Faithful Slave' lies then ? Or were they just telling the congregants lies ?) 

Even though I've left the Org i still believe Judgement Day will happen, as it's part of God's word.. The world is in so much mess and governments want to keep it that way. War is big business and keeps people in employment and under control. Immorality has sunken so much lower and in greater quantity. Over population, racism, hunger, floods, earthquakes, and so much more. And scientists crying about the end of this earth's life because of pollution, climate change, etc. Only God can bring things back to perfection. But no one has any idea when. 

[Srecko Sostar]

On 9/30/2018 at 9:18 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

When  i started studying, all those years ago, I was taught that each Creative day was 7,000 years long. And that God's 'rest day' would also be 7,000 years.

Yes, this was idea for some time. After they wrote how specific Hebrew word "yom" can mean undefined, unknown period of time that can last more then 7000 years. I think in Creation book  was (blue book) first time talking about this "new" teaching.

But despite to this revelation about "yom" in Genesis book, WT still standing in interpretation how Adam and Eve as first human on Earth come to existence before only 6000 years ... and few years more (if we count from 1975 till today). 

In this we can see some disharmony, about this two Bible reports, in WT explanations and interpretations about when first human came to existence and how old is Earth, Solar system, Universe. 

Science said one thing and WT something different or not incorporate scientific knowledge and information's in religious teaching of the JW Church.

[Srecko Sostar]

History and science agree about cataclysmic events that was in the past of Earth and how that affect all living creatures. By that various evidences that is visible in scientific research in many fields,  we can expect, soon or later, the same or similar changes in life of Earth and all forms of life. 

[JOHN BUTLER]

33 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Yes, this was idea for some time. After they wrote how specific Hebrew word "yom" can mean undefined, unknown period of time that can last more then 7000 years. I think in Creation book  was (blue book) first time talking about this "new" teaching.

But despite to this revelation about "yom" in Genesis book, WT still standing in interpretation how Adam and Eve as first human on Earth come to existence before only 6000 years ... and few years more (if we count from 1975 till today). 

In this we can see some disharmony, about this two Bible reports, in WT explanations and interpretations about when first human came to existence and how old is Earth, Solar system, Universe. 

Science said one thing and WT something different or not incorporate scientific knowledge and information's in religious teaching of the JW Church.

Yes, my point was that if the Governing Body have always been the 'faithful and discreet slave' why would God have given them the wrong information ? 

And, if the GB have been proven wrong on such issues, how can anyone trust them now and in the future ? 

[Space Merchant]

On 9/30/2018 at 1:28 PM, The Librarian said:

Question sent in for me to post.

Agape!

 

Granted that the day of God Judgement is unknown, people, even JWs, take into account in what Bible says that the end is near and even the disc-poles and all slaves of the Christ who serve the Father of Jesus, also know that the day is near.

For us today, we know the day is coming, but we have to be vigilant and enduring, maintaining our faith, hold to salvation, for we do not want to be locked out when the groom shows up, as the Bible says, and we would want to know what God's Law entail and not be recognized by the one who God sent, so to speak.

So it is our duty as Christians to be aware and ready for trying times are upon us and the Tribulation End Times will soon begin and during that time no one would speak of the gospel or the Messianic Age, you can see such ones but they will preach to you for the separating of the sheep and goats is in effect.

This is why a lot of us, myself included remains in total neutrality, careful not to call out others as false, correcting actual truths to falsehood and so to speak, anyone applying the teachings of the church I remain neutral with because a slight mistake can land one for judgement, something I and many others who adhere to the Bible do not want, but some people are lollygagging, not knowing they put themselves in danger and in God's anger, and that is the price such ones will pay, alongside with the wicked.

For if one does know know his Bible and remains ignorant to the truth, even when someone tells him the truth, that ignorant person will be another person in line for the Lake of Fire and succumb to the second death.

As for it still happening there are many things, for instance, the Religion(s) of Babylon who are in total unity.

The E.I.I is seeking a peaceful conquest while the higher ups in the UN is seeking total security and their hands on lands not of their own, while opposing forces speak against them.

And we know what the Bible says on peace and security.

Therefore we must be vigilant, enduring, maintain of faith, hold true to scripture and know our Bible, ignore those who claim they read the Bible but do not apply, those who add to the Word by means of opinion and emotion thus adhering to the accursed, avoid the Trinity, avoid brazen conduct, etc.

While doing so, we must read and learn everyday, take in knowledge of God, and of his Son, Jesus, of the Kingdom, the trial and error of the disciples and followers of the Christ, read and teach the Word accurately, do not give in to spurious text or Traditions of Men regarding understanding and so forth, for in doing so, God and his Christ dwells in us, and we, become one with not just the Christ, but of God also.

[Evacuated]

3 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

why would God have given them the wrong information ? 

God does not give wrong information. Nobody disputes this surely?

[JOHN BUTLER]

27 minutes ago, Gone Away said:

God does not give wrong information. Nobody disputes this surely?

Exactly. So if the Governing Body of the JW Org are what they say they are (the faithful and discreet slave) then why do they give false information to the congregation ? 

Surely that is deliberate sin.

[Evacuated]

13 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Surely that is deliberate sin

Not if they believe what they say. Getting something wrong is not a sin as such. Everybody makes mistakes. I have never subscribed to a GB inspired club.

Armageddon will always be a few years/months (etc) off until it comes. The important thing is to keep in expectation of it, which (for me) means "get your priorities right".  One old brother said to me many years ago "your armageddon came the day you dedicated your life to Jehovah". I found that a very useful viewpoint and consequently (since then), I have avoided "end-time frothing" . By "end-time frothing", I mean emotional debate about the end being near, taking too long, not coming as expected, being falsely predicted, not coming at all....etc.etc.etc.

The whole point of the excercise for me is to live now as we will live once it has come so that it doesn't come as a shock when this old world's structure is no more. Of course that includes making use of the world as it is now, but not to the full. 

Armageddon will only be an account, not an experience, for the majority of humans in the future. So it's significance is not human-centric.

[JOHN BUTLER]

4 hours ago, Gone Away said:

Not if they believe what they say. Getting something wrong is not a sin as such. Everybody makes mistakes. I have never subscribed to a GB inspired club.

Armageddon will always be a few years/months (etc) off until it comes. The important thing is to keep in expectation of it, which (for me) means "get your priorities right".  One old brother said to me many years ago "your armageddon came the day you dedicated your life to Jehovah". I found that a very useful viewpoint and consequently (since then), I have avoided "end-time frothing" . By "end-time frothing", I mean emotional debate about the end being near, taking too long, not coming as expected, being falsely predicted, not coming at all....etc.etc.etc.

The whole point of the excercise for me is to live now as we will live once it has come so that it doesn't come as a shock when this old world's structure is no more. Of course that includes making use of the world as it is now, but not to the full. 

Armageddon will only be an account, not an experience, for the majority of humans in the future. So it's significance is not human-centric.

So are you saying the GB are not inspired by God or Jesus Christ when they make predictions ? 

Again, are you saying that the GB are not inspired at all ? 

Are you in effect saying the GB are not the 'faithful and discreet slave' ? 

I did like the way you slipped in the bit about "...being falsely predicted.."

Um, who actually did the false predicting ?

Was it perchance the Governing Body of the JW Org and/or the Bible students before them ? 

And your bit about : "The whole point of the exercise for me is to live now as we will live once it has come... "

Wouldn't it be lovely if the whole earthwide congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses did that. 

 

 

 

[Srecko Sostar]

20 hours ago, Gone Away said:

God does not give wrong information

People who believe in god and to god can stand on this quote you gave, for sure.

Now, because in every religious system on Earth, exist people, leadership who run god's Heavenly job, work or business here on Earth and in that process of governing they giving information about what god want human (member of one religion) to do, I ask;

WHO giving information?? 

WHO giving right information??  

WHO giving wrong information??

WHO ... in this one and same religion??

[Srecko Sostar]

7 hours ago, Gone Away said:

20 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Surely that is deliberate sin

Not if they believe what they say. Getting something wrong is not a sin as such. 

Dear Gone Away, i think how this same Bible you have in your hand can and will defeat this sort of thinking. :)) 

Do one making some act/deed that can be characterized as wrong or bad or evil, and nevertheless if such was done  deliberately or by mistake.... it is a sin in religious, Bible way of interpretation on this subject, as many bible scholars and teachers explained. 

If i believe that GB is not FDS and not god's servant and representative here on Earth (but you believe they are) then, as You gave reasoning, I am not deliberately sinning and not made sin, because I BELIEVE IN WHAT I SAY I BELIEVE :)))))   I JUST GETTING SOMETHING WRONG, THAT IS  ALL :))))