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I hope that when the "slave class" finally decides on who the "King of the North is THIS time, they will say in one short paragraph, with NO scriptural artillery barrage to back it up.

The theocratic landscape has acquired more craters than the surface of the moon.

They have ALWAYS gotten it wrong before, and I have been trying to pay very close attention for over 50 years, now.

.... but have had DAYS of us sitting all day at Assemblies to hear the scriptures and reasoning, and nuanced referencing ... and years of Assembly talks, and Watchtower articles, and hour long public talks ..... to absolutely PROVE, without any shadow of a doubt ... just WHO was ....... the "King of the North".

Many times.

...and every time it changes, the cycle repeats.

They have ALWAYS been wrong before, so personally I would appreciate when the NEW explanation comes out ... it be something you could email me on a single page.

...or even better ... HALF a page.

Or even better ... a single paragraph.

Since it cannot POSSIBLY affect anything in real life down here on the ground ... that I can do anything about ... I would be HAPPY to accept ANYTHING the Governing Body says , at face value.

( I would even accept Caleb and Sophia as patron saints ... but PLEASE, spare me the "process" of why this would be true. )

Our Assembly Hall is in Orangeburg, South Carolina, and at my age, after a long Assembly in a hypnotic tone of voice,  I risk falling asleep at the wheel after a long drive, each way.  

Getting "New Light" could LITERALLY ...  kill me and my wife!

To borrow a phrase from World War I .... I am shell shocked,.

... but I don't want to EVER hear any more about "Gog of Magog".

 

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On 10/6/2018 at 5:34 PM, Jack Ryan said:

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“Russia and its allies"

Granted if one is aware of Russia and their allies, some people will consider it as such. After all, that one incident when men dressed as women showed up packing hit to provoke RU allies, only to be in a trap, giving Israel, a US ally, some form of confirmation to attest to an attack.

 

There is indeed 2 factions of superpowers, and secondary allies, and dual binding force that is trying to take some minor control in both factions. Us Truthers know this.

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