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13 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

The Angel of the Abyss is regarding the one called Satan the Devil and that part in what is also mentioned, in whole, points to Revelations 9:1 and 20:1-3.

Watchtower has an interesting idea on the identity of that “star”:

With a loud trumpet peal the fifth angel announced the loosing of the abyssed “witnesses” and their work that followed. Was this to be a “woe” to “those dwelling on the earth”? With prophetic vision the apostle John watched to see. Look! A “star” had fallen, not into the sea or into the fresh waters, but to the earth. But its fall was not disastrous to it. Rather, this “star” comes as a Freedom-giver, a Liberator of others, for “the key of the pit of the abyss was given him.” He is also a King, for he is “the angel of the abyss” and is the King of those whom he releases from the abyss; in harmony with which fact those whom he releases wear what, to John, “seemed to be crowns like gold.” This symbolic “star” also has a name for this occasion. In Greek its name is Apollyon, which means Destroyer. In Hebrew it is Abaddon, which means Destruction. All these features about this symbolic “star” reveal him to be the glorified Jesus Christ.  Wt 69/12/1

I agree with you that the “angel of the abyss” is Satan, who IS the Destroyer, and not Jesus Christ. 

But, If the falling star of Rev 9:1 was Satan, who is giving him the key to the abyss? 

In Rev 9:1, the star is falling from a heavenly position. This star releases the army of locust-scorpions from the abyss with a key (authority) given to it by one who is “king” over “the angel of the abyss”, the Destroyer.  Rev 9:11

 In Rev 20:1-3, an angel “comes down from heaven”, but isn’t falling.  That angel chains Satan in the abyss for a “thousand years”, who happens to be Christ.  

They are not the same identity. 

The star that fell from the sky has a name – Wormwood. Rev 8:10,11; Jer 23:15; Amos 5:7; 1 Cor 10:12; 2 Pet 3:17; Prov 5:3-5

 

 

 

 

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17 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Revelation 9:5-7 some might try to die laughing, but at who and for what? ?

Still wondering if you can explain.  :) Do you agree with the Watchtower quote I posted above?  Who do you feel fit the identity of the locust-scorpion army?  

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1 hour ago, Witness said:

Watchtower has an interesting idea on the identity of that “star”:

If you wanted to talk about stars, it would have been best to bring that up to begin with. Before you single them out, it would be best to look at commentary first.

1 hour ago, Witness said:

With a loud trumpet peal the fifth angel announced the loosing of the abyssed “witnesses” and their work that followed. Was this to be a “woe” to “those dwelling on the earth”? With prophetic vision the apostle John watched to see. Look! A “star” had fallen, not into the sea or into the fresh waters, but to the earth. But its fall was not disastrous to it. Rather, this “star” comes as a Freedom-giver, a Liberator of others, for “the key of the pit of the abyss was given him.” He is also a King, for he is “the angel of the abyss” and is the King of those whom he releases from the abyss; in harmony with which fact those whom he releases wear what, to John, “seemed to be crowns like gold.” This symbolic “star” also has a name for this occasion. In Greek its name is Apollyon, which means Destroyer. In Hebrew it is Abaddon, which means Destruction. All these features about this symbolic “star” reveal him to be the glorified Jesus Christ.  Wt 69/12/1

The star in question is in reference to the one with the keys, the one who binds up Satan and keeps him there, hence the verses in question is regarding the one who is to remain in the abyss – Satan the Devil.

1 hour ago, Witness said:

I agree with you that the “angel of the abyss” is Satan, who IS the Destroyer, and not Jesus Christ. 

I do not believe I said, anywhere, “he is”, I simply stated that the Angel of the Abyss is regarding the one called Satan the Devil, one of the reasons I showed the references to begin with because those verses connected with that of the others, not even outlined, granted in Satan's case it is of whom he will be dealing with. Jesus on the other hand, is spoken of as the Morning Star (or the bright day star), hence the secondary reference in my previous comment. Granted in that reference, we are aware that Satan later on, is imprisoned for some years soon to be released and will ultimately receive his final judgement, furthermore, the Bible tells us exactly as to what will happened to him, and his eventual demise.

1 hour ago, Witness said:

But, If the falling star of Rev 9:1 was Satan, who is giving him the key to the abyss? 

The key wasn’t not given to him. For if he is to be chained up there, why would a fallen angel have keys to his own prison in the great deep that is the abyss?

 

1 hour ago, Witness said:

In Rev 9:1, the star is falling from a heavenly position. This star releases the army of locust-scorpions from the abyss with a key (authority) given to it by one who is “king” over “the angel of the abyss”, the Destroyer.  Rev 9:11

 In Rev 20:1-3, an angel “comes down from heaven”, but isn’t falling.  That angel chains Satan in the abyss for a “thousand years”, who happens to be Christ.  

Hence why I gave references for the angel of the abyss regarding Satan the Devil.

1 hour ago, Witness said:

They are not the same identity. 

Of course, but now you are left with a reference for Revelations 9:11, hence the ones in chapter 8. One thing for certain, Jesus was not mentioned at all in said reference. The first verse in 20 points back to 9:1.

1 hour ago, Witness said:

The star that fell from the sky has a name – Wormwood. Rev 8:10,11; Jer 23:15; Amos 5:7; 1 Cor 10:12; 2 Pet 3:17; Prov 5:3-5

The 3rd one you speaking of? In the Book of Revelation, Wormwood also refers to the water being turned into wormwood and or bitter made bitter.

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23 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

Plenty of watchtower publications show us all how we are going to die, I saw a movie on it.

 

You should check out the imaginary online. Armageddon is called the Day of God for a reason, and the Christ himself will be coming like a Mighty Warrior upon mankind, both the good and the wicked, an to the wicked his sword will be directed.

You spoke before about reading the Bible, it should not be a surprise of how things will go down, granted we have examples in the Old Testament and what is spoken of as to what is to come.

 

Armageddon means (in the New Testament) the last battle between good and evil before the Day of Judgment. a biblical hill of Megiddo, for the hill itself is in regards to an archaeological site on the plain of Esdraelon, south of present-day Haifa in Israel.

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God's Day is nigh, of which side you are for?

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On 10/16/2018 at 9:28 AM, BillyTheKid46 said:

Let’s clarify something as in Pastor Russell’s time through print. In this case, not articles but this forum.

 

The clarification is in 15 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

 

 

The Angel of the Abyss is regarding the one called Satan the Devil and that part in what is also mentioned, in whole, points to Revelations 9:1 and 20:1-3.

 

 

Witness,” I agree with you that the “angel of the abyss” is Satan, who IS the Destroyer, and not Jesus Christ.”

 

If Satan is the angel that WILL be cast to the abyss with his demons (proper wording) as a state of experience that Jesus himself experienced, death Romans 10:7, then it is clear the symbolic understanding of Revelation 20:1

 

Then, this would be the appropriate way to understand your rebuttal illustration of the Watchtower December 1, 1969, no page given to be Christ that he himself experienced the abyss and will come as a falling star.

 

How is this in anyway confusing to a literary Bible student? Just keep in mind not to continue to violate the Watchtower copyright law, Witness.

 

Dear Billy.  I believe your answer is just as confusing as the WT’s.   Here is the info you wanted:  Pages 712-726, paragraph 29 

 I’m also realizing with the help of JWI, that it’s possible “Billy” may be someone else I’ve conversed with under another member name.  Because of that, I leave my answer here for all JWs, not wishing to engage further in that member’s continual ad hominem rage against any who reject WT’s lies.   

How is the organization’s version confusing to a literary Bible student, which explains Jesus as the Destroyer?   Simply because it contradicts scripture.  Any teaching that contradicts scripture has its roots in “confusion”, the meaning behind the word, “Babylon”.   “Wormwood”, a bitter root that poisons waters of truth, plays a central part in Revelation’s Babylon.   She is the “great” falling star of Rev 9:1. Rev 8: 10,11  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+9%3A1%3B+Rev+8%3A+10%2C11&version=NIV

“Do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.” Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell; nor let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents; 10 nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer. 1 Cor 10:7-10

“Woe to youdestroyer, you who have not been destroyed! Woe to you, betrayer, you who have not been betrayed! When you stop destroying, you will be destroyed; when you stop betraying, you will be betrayed.”  Isa 33:1

 Are there two Destroyers, Satan and Jesus?  Are WT’s spiritual leaders so illiterate that they cannot see WHO the Destroyer really is?  Jesus came to save, not destroy.  Don’t you think it is quite contradictory to believe Jesus, (yes, Jesus and not an organization) is salvation, which is the giver of LIFE, and yet also a DESTROYER OF LIFE?  John 14:6; 20:30,31  He conquers with the “breath of his mouth” and with “the brightness of his coming”, at the time of the end. 2 Thess 2:8   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14%3A6%3B+20%3A30%2C31%3B+2+Thess+2%3A8+&version=NKJV

He is the Word, which is Truth. John 1:1; 17:17  His Spirit (breath) is imparted into the hearts of faithful “stars” to expose such lies as the quote from the Watchtower above.  Gen 15:5; 26:4; Dan 12:3; Gal 3:29; Matt 24:3; 7:7; 5:19; 2 Cor 10:4-6; Eph 6:12-14; John 15:26; Matt 13:41,42; Rev 11:1-5 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1%3A1%3B+17%3A17%3B++Gen+15%3A5%3B+26%3A4%3B+Dan+12%3A3%3B+Gal+3%3A29%3B+Matt+24%3A3%3B+7%3A7%3B+5%3A19%3B+2+Cor+10%3A4-6%3B+Eph+6%3A12-14%3B+John+15%3A26%3B+Matt+13%3A41%2C42%3B+Rev+11%3A1-5&version=NKJV

 

Acts of the Destroyer:

“When the Lord goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyer to enter your houses and strike you down.”  Exod 12:23

“By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the king’s anger; he persevered because he saw him who is invisible. 28 By faith he kept the Passover and the application of blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Israel.”  Heb 11:27,28

Who desired to destroy Jesus Christ, the firstborn “among many brethren”, by using a pawn to do so”? Matt 2:7,8,12; Luke 22:2-4 (Rom 8:29)  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+2%3A7%2C8%2C12%3B+Luke+22%3A2-4%3B+Rom+8%3A29+&version=NKJV

“He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.”  Col 1:15

Who would love to destroy the remaining “firstborn” of all of God’s children at the time of the end?  Jesus or Satan?  Num 3:12,13; 1 Pet 2:9; Gal 4:26; Rev 12:1-4 - notice, “stars”  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Num+3%3A12%2C13%3B+1+Pet+2%3A9%3B+Gal+4%3A26%3B++Rev+12%3A1-4+&version=NKJV

Incredibly, WT states that the locusts emerging from the abyss are the anointed ones bringing their tormenting message to the world, via the preaching work.  What a concoction of lies,  thoroughly cloaking the army’s true mission of bringing to ruin God’s owned anointed “land”.  Joel 1:6,7,17,20, 25-27 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joel+1%3A6%2C7%3B+2%3A17%2C20%2C+25-27+&version=NIV

“They (the locust-scorpion army released by the fallen star) were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheadsThey were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes. During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.”  Rev 9:4-6

 WHO need to be SEALED in order to reign in heaven with Christ?

Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.”  Rev 7:2-4 

Do you realize you are saying that Jesus will return as a falling star, releasing an army to come against his own unsealed priesthood? I hope JWs can see that this is absurd. The one who opens the abyss, releases an oppressive army that effectively holds down God’s “saints” with their dictating fist!   Common sense should tell all JWs that anyone who “torments” or “tortures” another, is not practicing righteousness.  Rev 9:5,6; John 13:34,35  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+9%3A5%2C6%3B+John+13%3A34%2C35+&version=NKJV

When the locust-scorpions are in full attack mode against his priesthood, Jesus returns to his Temple to measure each Temple “living stone” according to God’s decrees.  Wormwood’s stinging army reigns over them; “Gentiles”, torturing and trampling the Temple/anointed ones as the Man of Lawlessness. Rev 11:1-3; Dan 11:31,36; Acts 20:29,30; Matt 24:15; Luke  21:24; 2 Thess 2:3,4 (1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16 ; Eph 2:20-22)  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+9%3A5%2C6%3B+John+13%3A34%2C35%3B++Rev+11%3A1-3%3B+Dan+11%3A31%2C36%3B+Acts+20%3A29%2C30%3B+Matt+24%3A15%3B+Luke++21%3A24%3B+2+Thess+2%3A3%2C4%3B+1+Cor+3%3A16%2C17%3B+2+Cor+6%3A16+%3B+Eph+2%3A20-22++&version=NKJV

These “Gentiles” are the elders, who ‘seem to wear crowns of gold’, replacing Christ’s priesthood/Temple with themselves, as the WT picture below suggests. Rev 9:7  (WT 17 March pg 3-8, “Give Honor to Whom It is Due”)    Are Christ’s anointed priests mentioned in this article?  Not at all, but the elders are highlighted as worthy of receiving honor, even robbing God’s priesthood and all JWs of what the true meaning behind the picture is to represent.  With subtle indications, the picture and article point to the Man of Lawlessness as present or ”sitting” in the Temple of God.  2 Thess 2:3,4.  The elder body is a “disgusting” counterfeit of the holy Temple priesthood that now has no name, no face, and no position before the Heavenly Father and their High Priest, Jesus Christ, in the organization. Matt 24:15; Ezek 44:6-9; Num 18:7; 1 Cor 3:16,17     https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+9%3A7%3B+Matt+24%3A15%3B+Ezek+44%3A6-9%3B+Num+18%3A7%3B+1+Cor+3%3A16%2C17++&version=NKJV

Wormwood “poisons” waters of living truth. Rev 8:11 “She” once held her “heavenly” position in Christ, yet has fallen for the offers of Satan, becoming his pawns to come against the remaining ones of the woman’s seed. Luke 4:7; Rev 8:10,11; Jer 23:15; Amos 5:7; 1 Cor 10:12; 2 Pet 3:17; Rev 12:17 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=+Rev+8%3A11%3B+Luke+4%3A7%3B+Rev+8%3A10%2C11%3B+Jer+23%3A15%3B+Amos+5%3A7%3B+1+Cor+10%3A12%3B+2+Pet+3%3A17%3B+Rev+12%3A17+&version=NKJV

If Wormwood is able to poison truth with her lies, bringing many in touch with death, she does so as a false prophet.  John 7:38; Matt 24:5   She is the Beast from the Earth, appearing to come in the name of Christ, but has indeed fallen from her “heavenly” position. Rev 13:11; 2 Pet 3:17; Amos 5:7 

These composite false prophets have independently severed themselves from God and Christ to serve their new Master, Satan.  “She” appears to be “great” (Matt 5:19), as she exalts herself over her “fellow slaves”. Rev 8:10 Matt 24:48-51  She blazes like a torch or lamp, falling on the “earth”, on the anointed House of God, which is the owned habitation of God.  As I once did, and millions also, the anointed and companions have been drawn to your leaders’ light, without realizing the sinister plan that lies behind it’s false brilliance. (Ps 104:1,2; Job 18:5,6,14)  Acts 7:48-51; Matt 5:14-16; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16; Eph 2:19-22; Rev 1:5  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=+Matt+5%3A19%3B+Rev+8%3A10%3B+Matt+24%3A48-51%3B++Ps+104%3A1%2C2%3B+Job+18%3A5%2C6%2C14%3B+Acts+7%3A48-51%3B+Matt+5%3A14-16%3B+1+Cor+3%3A16%2C17%3B+2+Cor+6%3A16%3B+Eph+2%3A19-22%3B+Rev+1%3A5&version=NIV

Wormwood’s locust army is a military strategy hatched under both Satan and Wormwood’s direction; growing to ultimately restrain and torment the dwelling of God, as the the Beast from the Sea. Joel 2:1-5; 2 Thess 2:7; Rev 9:5,10; 13:1,5-7   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joel+2%3A1-5%3B+2+Thess+2%3A7%3B+Rev+9%3A5%2C10%3B+13%3A1%2C5-7+++&version=NKJV

Do you know that the “sea” is another symbol for Satan’s realm, including those in it; and is termed, the abyss in Rev 11:7?   Isa 57:20,21; Isa 27:1  After tormenting the saints, the Beast from the Sea/abyss is authorized to  “kill” (disfellowship) Christ’s priests for joining with Christ in truth, fully rejecting Wormwood’s waters.  Yet, this army no longer has the power to “restrain” them, as they expose its true identity as the Man of Lawlessness.  Rev 13:7; 11:3,7; 1 Pet 5:8; Isa 51:10; Rev 16:12; 11:11,12; 12:10,11       https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+13%3A7%3B+11%3A3%2C7%3B+1+Pet+5%3A8%3B+Isa+51%3A10%3B+Rev+16%3A12%3B+11%3A11%2C12%3B+12%3A10%2C11+&version=NKJV

Notice who gives this Beast power:

“The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority.” Rev 13:2b

 Rev 9:3 – “Then out of the smoke locusts came upon the earth. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.” 

Since the Beast from the Sea/abyss is under the direction of the Beast/false prophet, then who gives the fallen star, Wormwood, a “key” or the authority to direct the Wild Beast, in Satan’s deceitful ploy?  The King of the abyss, Abaddon (“Destruction”) in Hebrew, but in Greek he has the name ApollyonDestroyer.  He is Revelation’s dragon.    Rev 9:1,2,11; 13:11,12,14-17  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+9%3A1%2C2%2C11%3B+13%3A11%2C12%2C14-17&version=NKJV

 “Sheol and Abaddon are never satisfied; and a man’s eyes are never satisfied.”  Prov 27:20

The organization’s lie that Abaddon is “the glorified Jesus Christ” is pure mockery and DECEIT.

 “Sheol is naked before God, and Abaddon has no covering.”  Job 26:6

Does God feel this way about His Son?  John 8:54; Luke 9:28,29; 2 Pet 1:17; Rev 1:12-16  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+8%3A54%3B+Luke+9%3A28%2C29%3B+2+Pet+1%3A17%3B+Rev+1%3A12-16&version=NKJV

The abyss, Sheol, Hades, all represent the consignment to darkness and death, and is associated with Abaddon.  As a JW, I believed that the abyss was a location that couldn’t be seen by the physical eye, but was somewhere on the spiritual side of the universe.  However, it is symbolism for the unending darkness, the bottomless pit of deep deceptions that Satan uses to blinds the spiritual senses, which can lead to death. 

It is the realm of “not perceiving”. 

Sheol/Hades:  from the combination of two root words –

Alpha – “when prefixed to words as an inseparable syllable” it means “giving a negative sense to the word to which it is prefixed”

Eidō – “to perceive with the eyes, to perceive by any of the senses, notice, discern, discover”

“Here and there the name Sheol appears in tandem with the name Abaddon, which means destruction (Psalm 88:11). It's also known as the pit (בור, bor; Isaiah 38:18), the abyss (αβυσσος, abussos; Luke 8:31, Romans 10:7)  http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Sheol.html#.W8oDaGhKh3Q

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When Jesus bound Satan and threw him into the abyss in the first century for the symbolic “thousand years, he was prevented from perceiving how to fabricate his end time delusion, which “shatters” the power of the holy ones. This didn’t hinder his ability to cause havoc in other ways around the world.  His demand to “sift” each one in Christ as “wheat” was still enforced, before enacting his ultimate devastating strategy against the unsealed “remaining ones”. He has accomplished this with the help of the fallen star and her army of locust-scorpions.    Luke 10:17-20; Mark 3:27; Rev 20:2,3; Luke 22:31; Eph 2:1-3; Rev 20:4; Dan 7:7,23; 12:7; Rev 12:17   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+10%3A17-20%3B+Mark+3%3A27%3B+Rev+20%3A2%2C3%3B+Luke+22%3A31%3B+Eph+2%3A1-3%3B+Rev+20%3A4%3B+Dan+7%3A7%2C23%3B+12%3A7%3B+Rev+12%3A17+&version=NKJV

Without Christ, we remain in darkness, not spiritually cognizant of his light of Truth. John 1:5; 1 John 2:11; Eph 4:17,18  When Eve sinned, Satan gained authority (a key) over the “whole world” and mankind came under the result of condemning sin – death.  At Jesus’ coming, he said, “I am the light of the world” – a world that exists in spiritual darkness. 1 Cor 2:12;  Phil 2:15  Christ conquered death’s grip upon mankind, but we must come to his light to be saved; otherwise the darkness of the abyss remains with us.  Phil 2:14,15  He received “authority” to release us from this spiritual darkness, and we are rescued from the captivity of “not perceiving” the true light of Christ, if our hearts desire to turn to Christ.   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1%3A5%3B1+John+2%3A11%3B+Eph+4%3A17%2C18%3B+1+Cor+2%3A12%3B++Phil+2%3A15%3B++&version=NKJV

In Revelation, all the named titles of wickedness to come against God’s anointed under the New Covenant, are enhanced characteristics of the same two entities.

Wormwood, and its locust-scorpion army torment the anointed who have not been sealed.

The Beast from the Earth gives authority to the Wild Beast from the Sea to blaspheme God’s Temple saints and war with them.   

The Wild Beast from the Sea is the Man of Lawlessness that “tramples”/”torments” God’s Temple priests/saints, and is the locust-army released from the pit of deception.

The Beast from the Earth, as Wormwood, is a composite false prophet appearing as if from Christ,  but poisons the living waters of Truth with lies from Satan’s mouth.

False prophets are spiritual Harlots. 

  For the lips of an adulteress drip honey.
    Her mouth is smoother than oil,
But in the end she is as bitter as wormwood,
    and as sharp as a two-edged sword.
Her feet go down to death.
    Her steps lead straight to Sheol. Prov 5:3-5

These Harlot “daughters” seduce God’s people/”kings of the earth” to commit “fornication” with her by drinking her “wine” which is produced from the wild vine she has attached herself to.  Rev 17:2; Deut 32:32  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+17%3A2%3B+Deut+32%3A32++&version=NKJV

Revelation’s two entities that work harmoniously to destroy the saints, are partners of darkness with Satan.  They have gained the art of deception, from him.  

“And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth (Rev 1:5) and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.” Rev 16:13,14

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+1%3A5&version=NKJV

Their final identifying mark surrounds “the camp of the saints” holding them spiritually captive in Satan’s “abyss”.   Rev 13:9,10; Col 2:8   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+13%3A9%2C10%3B+Col+2%3A8&version=NIV

“Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.”  Rev 20:7-9

The anointed “saints” receive the brunt of torment, trampling, treading, poisoned waters,  deception, and the threat of “killing” for discarding their, shackles when choosing to follow  Christ in repentance.  Rev 3:18  But, you would never know it while residing in the WT organization where “peace, health, prosperity” and security are promised in “Jehovah’s organization”.  Those who have fallen into the same trap, also suffer, if one’s adoration given to both Beasts, terminates.  1 Thess 5:3; Rev 13:14,15  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+3%3A18%3B1+Thess+5%3A3%3B+Rev+13%3A14%2C15&version=NKJV

Satan gives the “authority” or the key of deception to Wormwood, the false prophet/Harlot.  Christ has obtained the “authority” and power over deception and death, by conquering it.  Heb 2:14-16   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+2%3A14-16&version=NIV

This does not make him Abaddon, Apollyon or the Destroyer. 

As I said earlier, any casualties during Armageddon and at its culmination, are the result of the authentic Destroyer of life, Satan the Devil, before he is thrown into the Lake of Fire. 1 Cor 15:24; Rev 20:10,14  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Cor+15%3A24%3B+Rev+20%3A10%2C14+&version=NIV

The organization represents Jesus’ arrival with a bow and arrow in hand, ready to pierce man, woman and child with a boundless supply of literal arrows; or so it seems. Yet, look into the scriptures for the symbolism of sword, quiver, arrows in Isa 49:2; Ps 127:3-5  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa+49%3A2%3B+Ps+127%3A3-5&version=NKJV

 “I suggest a full reading of Zech.9, and a consideration of how it describes the final arrival of Christ. For now, I will quote some of the preceding and following verses...

"14 Then the LORD will appear over them (Luke21:27Heb.12:11Thess.3:13); his arrow will flash like lightning (Ps.45:5;Matt.24:27). The Sovereign LORD will sound the trumpet (1Thess.4:16Joel2:1Rev.8:610:711:151Cor.14:8Eze.33:3;Num.10:9Rev.17:1419:11,1416:13,14Matt.24:31Isa.58:127:13); he will march in the storms of the south (explained later)
16 The LORD their God will save his people on that day as a shepherd saves his flock (Phil.3:20Zeph.3:19). They will sparkle in his land like jewels in a crown (Rev.12:11Thess.2:19-20Rev.1:2010:5-7).
8 But I will encamp at my temple (Rev.21:3) to guard it against marauding forces (Dan.12:1Joel2:2,4,11:4Rev.9:7,9,10). Never again will an oppressor overrun my people (Rev.13:7,1011:2Mark.13:14) (Rev.20:911:5), for now I am keeping watch." (Gen.28:15Heb.4:1613:7Rev.21:322:3Jer.29:10-12Isa.40:9-10Rev.22:12)
These things were not fulfilled in the first century.

Did you note, that this is a time for spiritual war (14)?
...a day of salvation and vindication? (16)
...a day of protection and release from oppression, that would last forever? (8)

Pearl Doxsey; From "Your King Comes to You on a donkey and a foal."  4womaninthewilderness

Scriptures are clear about the identity of the Destroyer. 

“Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.”   John 10:7-10 

From Watchtower’s leaders:

Rather, this “star” comes as a Freedom-giver, a Liberator of others, for “the key of the pit of the abyss was given him.” He is also a King, for he is “the angel of the abyss” and is the King of those whom he releases from the abyss; in harmony with which fact those whom he releases wear what, to John, “seemed to be crowns like gold.” This symbolic “star” also has a name for this occasion. In Greek its name is Apollyon, which means Destroyer. In Hebrew it is Abaddon, which means Destruction. All these features about this symbolic “star” reveal him to be the glorified Jesus Christ.  Wt 69/12/1

You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” John 8:44

“How terrible for you, teachers of the Law and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You lock the door to the Kingdom of heaven in people's faces, but you yourselves don't go in, nor do you allow in those who are trying to enter!  Matt 23:13

 

Pearl Doxsey 4womaninthewilderness

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2 minutes ago, Witness said:

Dear Billy.  I believe your answer is just as confusing as the WT’s.   Here is the info you wanted:  Pages 712-726, paragraph 29 

Glancing briefly at how MUCH followed ... that's where my eyes glazed over and I faded out.

I suppose you had something important to say, but if I am going to read THAT much, it will be a Patrick O'Brian novel.

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25 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Glancing briefly at how MUCH followed ... that's where my eyes glazed over and I faded out.

I suppose you had something important to say, but if I am going to read THAT much, it will be a Patrick O'Brian novel.

It needs scripture links fixed, and the picture I wanted to post, but I can't do it successfully right now with my computer.  I figured you say something about its length.  I can't explain, unless I tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth, which CAN set you free.  Take one paragraph at a time. :) 

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