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Are JWs   allowed to get this treatment? 

"Platelet-rich plasma (PRP), also known as autologous conditioned plasma, is a concentrate of platelet-rich plasma protein derived from whole blood, centrifuged to remove red blood cells."

For example to reduce wrinkles on the face

 

 

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On 10/21/2018 at 2:43 AM, Nicole said:

Are JWs   allowed to get this treatment? 

"Platelet-rich plasma (PRP), also known as autologous conditioned plasma

I suppose it is more a question of would a Jehovah's witness want this sort of treatment?

"Autologous Conditioned Plasma or ACP, as it is more commonly known, is plasma that is rich in platelets. Another closely related procedure uses Platelet-rich plasma (PRP). Blood is extracted from a patient and then ACP/PRP is extracted using the process of centrifugation. ACP/PRP is usually used in order to facilitate the process of regeneration in orthopaedic and surgical procedures."

"For the patient, the process is pretty much similar to a regular blood test. A small sample of blood is extracted from the patient’s body using a syringe – just like in a blood test. The blood is drawn from a superficial vein in a small quantity. After the blood is drawn, the role of a patient is over – temporarily. This blood is then passed through the process of centrifugation (rapid spinning to separate out the different elements of the blood). In this process, the autologous conditioned plasma is separated from other components present in the blood. After the ACP/PRP is conditioned, it is then injected back into the body of the patient at the point where it is needed"       

    Hello guest!
 

1. It is a primary blood componet (as are platelets).

2. It is made from the patient's own blood (Autologous).

3. It is separated from the patients circulatory system, processed in a centrifuge, returned later to the patient's body.

Point 3 would be the determining factor in making such a treatment unacceptable to one of Jehovah's witnesses. 

 

 

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Thanks @Gone Away 

 

22 minutes ago, Gone Away said:

Point 3 would be the determining factor in making such a treatment unacceptable to one of Jehovah's witnesses.

I remember the case of a brother who had a surgery, I don't remember the name of treatment, but doctors used a machine to circulate his blood outside his body, he was not repproved or something else. Elders said that as the blood was still circulating, the machine was considered as an extension of his body, he was not really getting a transfusion. Do you know the name of this treatment? 

I do agree with you that it would be unacceptable when blood is separated from the circulatory system temporarily and then injected back although someone might say that it is not blood anymore, it is only platelets 

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11 minutes ago, Nicole said:

Do you know the name of this treatment? 

    Hello guest!

As long as the circulation is not interrupted, a Jehovah's witness MAY conscientously submit to the use of a cell saver.

    Hello guest!

"Cell salvage in South Tees NHS Trust

Currently the trust has five cell salvage machines. Four are on loan from the company which supply cell salvage equipment, and one is owned by the trust after it was donated by Jehovah’s Witness. The trust pays for the consumables that are used each time cell salvage is performed. The funding for this service comes from the pathology department."   

    Hello guest!

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Just as serious as whether or not you are going to violate the Scriptural Admonition of "Abstain from blood" ... is the serious problem of semantics ... how words are put together to either reflect existing thinking .. or to try an influence other's thinking.

Are JWs allowed to get Platelet-rich plasma?

That QUESTION scares the hell out of me, as I know how insidious the "environment" has become that generated it.

Allowed by WHO?

God's admonition against his declared personal property, for which he is jealous and possessive, stated "blood" is not to be used except for two things .... sacrifice to God, as was done in ancient Israel, and pouring it out onto the ground, after slaughtering an animal for food or resources needed by humans, which was an acceptable way of "returning the blood to God".

The ONLY reason blood fractions are allowed (ALLOWED!!) by the Governing Body is for better public relations spin, and to try for plausible deniability in today's cultures Earth wide so when sued, they will NOT LOSE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF MONEY.

They had it right the first time .... but were overwhelmed by greed.

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Yep, I think no blood would mean no blood, but did God actually mean that ?

I've said before, the Jews practice Pikuach Nefesh. Basically 'save a life'.

And the scripture at Matthew 12 v 9-12 shows Jesus viewpoint covering more than the literal Sabbath. 

We have to remember that the 'done thing' back in the days of the disciples was to drink the warm blood of fallen gladiators. So no wonder Jesus' followers said abstain from blood. Other folks were actually drinking it. 

I would have thought the seriousness of the blood was that Jesus gave His blood on our behalf. 

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9 hours ago, Gone Away said:

Primary blood component?

Yes... I've heard that reasoning about plaquetas or trombocitos, that of if "it is not the whole blood is ok"

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9 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

The ONLY reason blood fractions are allowed (ALLOWED!!) by the Governing Body is for better public relations spin, and to try for plausible deniability in today's cultures Earth wide so when sued, they will NOT LOSE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF MONEY.

I don't look at it that way. Blood fractions are left up to conscience because it is a grey area for some. And when something is a grey area then one shouldn't impose ones' views. Humans were not capable of separating blood into fractions when the prohibitive scripture was written.

9 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

God's admonition against his declared personal property, for which he is jealous and possessive, stated "blood" is not to be used except for two things .... sacrifice to God, as was done in ancient Israel, and pouring it out onto the ground, after slaughtering an animal for food or resources needed by humans, which was an acceptable way of "returning the blood to God".

YES. This is also why many Witnesses won't accept blood fractions, their conscience tells them it is still blood, even if its a fractional part of it.

Eating a bloody steak is also a conscience matter.

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3 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Others will say: ‘It’s not a cake until you mix the ingredients.’

This reminded me when a student told me: JWs must not eat beef liver (a very popular dish where I come from) because it has a lot of blood" also liver produces some of the proteins for the plasma 

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9 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

The ONLY reason blood fractions are allowed (ALLOWED!!) by the Governing Body is for better public relations spin, and to try for plausible deniability in today's cultures Earth wide so when sued, they will NOT LOSE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF MONEY.

I remember in my congregation when DPA changed, at the beggining some brothers and sisters said, "no I am not going to accept  any blood fraction because it is the same as receiving a blood transfusion, fractions come from blood, so it is the same blood" but some of that group have changed their mind to "I probably would accept fractions but first doctors have to talk to me or to my legal representative 

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Any meat has leftover blood by-product. There’s no getting around that no matter how hard anyone tries.

From Genesis to Leviticus. Scripture is referring to LIFEBLOOD. Don’t eat the animal without first draining its blood. This is a commandment from God. Is God inferring that you squeeze the animal dry to drain every last drop? No, it means that the life of the animal is the blood, and as soon as the blood is drained, it becomes lifeless and ready for consumption.

This is for animals. If you’re a meat eater, you will consume an amount of cooked blood within the meat. The thing to remember, the lifeblood of the animal has been drained and the animal is lifeless.

Now, what about human blood. The concept is the same. What does this mean? Yes, it’s a gray area. The Watchtower leaves fractioned blood to the conscience. What is Fraction blood? Does fractioned blood circulate around the body to continue and sustain human life? Oxygen carrying plasma carry’s oxygen, nothing else. It doesn’t add to the red blood cells. So, this alone won’t be enough for human life.

The easiest way to look at fractioned blood is this. Can a human live a normal life without a liver? Can a human live a normal life without kidneys? Dialysis prolongs life like oxygenated fractioned blood. Can a human live a normal life without a heart? Can a human live a normal life without lungs?

This, in essence, is fractioned blood. On their own, it means very little to the human body, since it is just one particular function out of many. Fractioned blood aids the body to function, but the body still needs to repair itself. That means, the human body still needs to produce red blood cells to survive.

Now science is testing synthetic blood. Researchers took a couple of cow blood drops and duplicated the process enough to allow oxygen to flow just like regular blood. The blood became almost soluble liquid but with a specific function oxygen. The body still needs to repair itself. A car victim survived after a month or so. That synthesized liquid allowed the body to produce its own red blood cells and eventually heal itself.

For science, the question has become what are the benefits versus the dangers. People automatically assume this is a universal solution. One size fits all. It doesn’t. What might work for one person, it might not work for another. Blood transfusions run the same risk. While it might save one person’s life, it can become poison for another. People need to understand, the easiest thing, especially in an ER is to have the patient accept a blood transfusion. That's they're selling point because it's the easiest. This is a cure-all. Your family member will die without it. In some cases, yes, but in other cases no. In those needless cases, some people die because of transfusion shock, hemolytic reaction. The same condition that could happen when someone receives a donated organ, rejection.

This is the most logical reason, the Watchtower made it a conscience call. It’s not one size fits all. Your decision your risk. Personally, I support both views, given enough research has gone in finding the best solution for witnesses.

Next year, some scientists will conduct trials on 100% synthetic blood that has no cow bovine. The biggest concern is the hemoglobin level.

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2 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Billy:

Your writing style has changed dramatically.

Did a committee write that for you?

Since the evidence supports that, and without your denial or affirmation, I will take that as a "yes".

Not that I care at all ... just a matter of trying to correctly understand where you are coming from.

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6 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Any meat has leftover blood by-product.

Technically, what the meat contains is leftover blood, not "blood by-product." By-product would be the blood that was separated or drained, not the blood still in the meat. 

Just read a rather disturbing article about the many ways in which animal by-products, including whole blood, and blood plasma, are used around the world. Some of the data comes from the USDA.

    Hello guest!

Your write-up, btw, was excellent imo, fwiw.

 

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