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An article in the print edition of Wales On Sunday, an English-language Welsh newspaper, and 'sister' newspaper to The Western Mail (Mon to Sat). Wales on Sunday has a circulation of just under 10,000-copies each Sunday.

Wales on Sunday (UK), Sunday, October 21, 2018 - page 16

It has been a busy week for the courts in Wales with several high-profile cases being dealt with.

Here are some of the criminals jailed this week.

Roy Collins

Collins was given a 23-year extended sentence after being convicted of the systematic sexual abuse of two young girls in the 1980s and 1990s.

The Jehovah's Witness was branded as "devious, righteous and arrogant" by a judge at Swansea Crown Court.

Read online version:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/locked-up-abusive-couple-aspiring-15297903

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22 hours ago, Jack Ryan said:

Collins was given a 23-year extended sentence after being convicted of the systematic sexual abuse of two young girls in the 1980s and 1990s

This is actually good news for everyone because he is unlikely to be seen on the streets again.

And Thumbs up to the walesonline.co.uk people who seem to be able to present news about Jehovah's Witnesses in a fairly objective manner. https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/inside-biggest-annual-gathering-jehovahs-14991197

An interesting point relative to other postings on this, the judges statement: "The Jehovah's Witness was branded as "devious, righteous and arrogant", shows how errroneous is the claim that we think "only Jehovahs Witnesses will be saved".

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@Gone Away  Um, erroneous eh ? 

15 February 1983 Watchtower, pp 12-13, article Four Requirements for Salvation: “Jehovah is using only one organization today to accomplish his will. To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it.”

Watchtower March 1, 1985 p 14: “Only Christian witnesses of Jehovah who successfully pass this test will survive and come forth like fire-refined gold for God’s use in his precious new order.”

Watchtower September 1, 1989 p 19: "Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil." Watchtower September 15, 1993 p 22: “But if we were to draw away from Jehovah’s organization, there would be no place else to go for salvation and true joy.”

Watchtower May 15, 2006: "During the final period of the ancient world that perished in the Flood, Noah was a faithful preacher of righteousness. (2 Peter 2:5) In these last days of the present system of things, Jehovah's people are making known God's righteous standards and are declaring good news about the possibility of surviving into the new world. (2 Peter 3:9-13) Just as Noah and his God-fearing family were preserved in the ark, survival of individuals today depends on their faith and their loyal association with the earthly part of Jehovah's universal organization."

Watchtower December 15, 2007: "But Jehovah's servants already belong to the only organization that will survive the end of this wicked system of things."

Now i will admit that i haven't looked up these Watchtowers and checked the quotes, so maybe if you disagree with them you may want to check them out yourself. 

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4 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Now i will admit that i haven't looked up these Watchtowers and checked the quotes, so maybe if you disagree with them you may want to check them out yourself. 

I prefer scriptural quotes on such serious matters. Joel 2:32 is pretty relevant (for me) "And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved"  Peter and Paul referred to this at Acts 2:32 and Rom.10:13.

11 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Um, erroneous eh ? 

I may be missing your logic on this, but to me a "Jehovah's Witness ... branded as "devious, (self- the paper misquotes the judge) righteous and arrogant" would render erroneous a claim that only Jehovah's Witnesses would be saved. Religious designations don't save people.

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@Gone Away I prefer scriptural quotes on such serious matters. Joel 2:32 is pretty relevant (for me) "And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved"  Peter and Paul referred to this at Acts 2:32 and Rom.10:13.

Yes exactly, but the GB and their Writing Department don't seem to agree with you. 

So maybe you might agree with me when I say the GB give false information. Or at least misleading information not based on Scripture. 

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1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

GB give false information

I don't feel this way. They said read the Bible daily, I did, and life got better. I still do, life still gets better. Everybody I know does the same to a greater or lesser degree and we are all commensurately happier.

I have encountered seven GB members in my time and in my limited contacts, I have found them to all be real gentlemen, friendly and considerate, unaffected, quite pleasant to deal with, free from arrogance. The one I did know well remembered me by name on a chance encounter 10 years later, even to the point of taking up the conversation where we had left off. And believe me, I am no one special.

I just don't have the same expectations as you I think, hence I don't suffer from the same disillusionment and disappointment.

By the way, I haven't met anyone yet who doesn't get things wrong, and I don't expect GB members to be any different.

I have known many anointed ones over the years, due to where I have been located. Many of these were baptised prior to 1914. One who was a member of the first UK family to come into the "truth". I have also known many others, baptised in the 1930s. My encounters with these folk have only confirmed my faith, not shaken it, regardless of their varied viewpoints. I guess I just don't have the same take on things as you and some others here it seems. I'm sorry you have had negative experiences. ☺️

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3 minutes ago, Gone Away said:

I don't feel this way. They said read the Bible daily, I did, and life got better. I still do, life still gets better. Everybody I know does the same to a greater or lesser degree and we are all commensurately happier.

I have encountered seven GB members in my time and in my limited contacts, I have found them to all be real gentlemen, friendly and considerate, unaffected, quite pleasant to deal with, free from arrogance. The one I did know well remembered me by name on a chance encounter 10 years later, even to the point of taking up the conversation where we had left off. And believe me, I am no one special.

I just don't have the same expectations as you I think, hence I don't suffer from the same disillusionment and disappointment.

By the way, I haven't met anyone yet who doesn't get things wrong, and I don't expect GB members to be any different.

I have known many anointed ones over the years, due to where I have been located. Many of these were baptised prior to 1914. One who was a member of the first UK family to come into the "truth". I have also known many others, baptised in the 1930s. My encounters with these folk have only confirmed my faith, not shaken it, regardless of their varied viewpoints. I guess I just don't have the same take on things as you and some others here it seems. I'm sorry you have had negative experiences. ☺️

There is an expression, but i can't remember it properly.  It's something about standing too close to see something properly. 

You seem to have a personal relationship with the GB, a closeness, that would stop you seeing the truth about them.

As for getting things wrong. I'm glad Noah didn't get the measurements wrong for the Ark. And I'm glad Moses didn't lead the Israelites to the wrong point of the Red Sea. Are but of course they had Jehovah's guidance didn't they. The GB doesn't.

You first tiny paragraph sounds like this to me. I eat well every day and live in a nice warm house, and so do my friends. So why should I or they worry about people who are hungry or cold ? 

And you last sentence "I'm sorry you have had negative experiences"...... But, I don't just think about my negative experiences, I take time to consider others too. Many Earthwide who were once JW's and have left or been removed because they were stumbled due to the GB policies and the puppet Elders that didn't question orders..

Luke 17 v 1&2 

" Then he said to his disciples: “It is unavoidable that causes for stumbling should come. Nevertheless, woe to the one through whom they come! It would be more advantageous for him if a millstone were hung from his neck and he were thrown into the sea than for him to stumble one of these little ones."

Watch out GB your time will come.

 

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1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

You first tiny paragraph sounds like this to me. I eat well every day and live in a nice warm house, and so do my friends. So why should I or they worry about people who are hungry or cold ? 

Just shows how wrong you can be. Your presumption of happiness seems to be entirely material. That may well be at the core of your perception.

 

 

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      When he was sent for sentence at Mold crown court next month and refused bail he protested, near to tears: "I love my wife. I don't want to cause her any stress at all."
      The charge accuses him of between the end of July and beginning of August stalking Ysabel Andrea Perry and causing her serious harm or distress by sending texts and WhatsApp messages and trying to seek her whereabouts.
      The court heard that in one message Perry told his wife : "Sorry for the suffering I've caused you over the years. I'm unravelling it with Jehovah's help."
      Prosecuting, Diane Williams said his wife had endured threats and control and a domestic violence protection order had been granted. She'd had "disturbing" messages and texts.
      Graham Parry, defending, said the couple were Jehovah's Witnesses and they had been in discussion with elders which he preferred to the justice system to deal with their difficulties.
      Mr Parry said : "From the Jehovah's Witness point of view there's only one way a couple can separate - it's adultery, and neither has committed adultery.
      "His wife has now gone to another part of the country in a refuge that's safe.
      "He does threaten to take his own life. He does seem fairly desperate to try and get what he thought who was his wife back."
      Added Mr Parry :"He doesn't fit the mode of most defendants. It's an unusual case".
      http://www.rhyljournal.co.uk/news/16683122.obsessive-husband-charged-with-stalking-faked-message-instructing-his-wife-to-go-to-rhyl-police-station-to-identify-his-body/
    • By Jack Ryan
      Religious sect Jehovah’s Witnesses has refused to hand over documents to the public prosecutor in which an ex-member admits the abuse of a child, also member of the sect at the time, RTL Nieuws reports. Samet G, now 31, was a minor himself when the abuse of his 4 year-old niece started. The abuse continued until she was 14 and was reported to the police in 2015 when the girl and her mother left the Christian sect. A court in Breda last week sentenced G to a 9 months suspended sentence and a fine for the abuse but did not have access to the confession, which dates from 2011. G is appealing against his conviction.
      JehovahÂ’s Witnesses have their own internal committees which sit in judgement in cases of sexual abuse and do not involve the police. A record of these proceedings is made and kept. According to RTL, the public prosecutorÂ’s request for a copy of the confession was refused on the grounds that it would compromise the manÂ’s privacy and that, by law, clergymen, or in this case the elders, cannot be forced to reveal what has been told to them in confidence. Although there is doubt among lawyers that the JehovahÂ’s Witnesses elders can claim this right, the public prosecutor accepted the refusal, RTL writes.
      The sect also refuses to cooperate in an independent inquiry and, according to minister for legal protection Sander Dekker, it cannot be forced to do so. Abuse survivors According to Reclaimed Voices, an organisation that helps ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses members who were victims of sexual abuse, the minister needs to do much more. ‘If we can’t get the files via the courts we need politicians to act. Someone must force the Jehovah’s Witnesses to hand them over,’ the organisation’s spokesman Frank Huiting told RTL. CDA MP Madeleine van Toorenburg and other MPs have asked the minister to investigate if Jehovah’s Witness have the right to refuse access to documents that might shed light on a criminal case and slated the sect’s ‘culture of silence and cover-ups,’ RTL writes. Jehovah’s Witnesses are being widely accused of silencing victims of sexual abuse within the sect. The Guardian newspaper recently uncovered a case involving at least 100 victims who claim to have been abused.

      Read more at DutchNews.nl
    • By Jack Ryan
      The Flemish Parliament has opened an inquiry into the child abuse policies and cover ups of Jehovah's Witnesses. The investigation is collecting complaints, not to make their stories public but to start an official investigation into the child abuse policies of Jehovah's Witness groups.
      http://www.flanderstoday.eu/politics/parliament-apologises-victims-childhood-sexual-abuse
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    • Absolutely agree. But what I see as it is possible to read in WT Society text about Higher education is this: They tend to separate young minds from "secular knowledge" because of some fears. Perhaps one of fear is not main reason, to be learned about non-Bible ideas. But as main reason i see how this "secular ideas" can cause that young JW members begin to question WT and Bible.  Please have in mind what you already said, JHVH not decided to separate Congregation, but He doing just opposite. He let all sort of influence to be spread on  people, all people, not just JW's. If JHVH not made separation in literal way, than WT try to do this separation in limited level on limited class of people for limited time in their life - looks funny and not productive as they expect.  This was completely necessary to be said ... using this sort of illustration with mafia as subject :))))) ........... but you "provoked" me a little :)))) and i will add. We all working for devil the boss, because he is ruler, god of this world, global company/corporation. Just another, different way of rationalization.   :))))))
    • I agree that God is organized, which is clear in creation.  He has also organized his anointed Body of “144,000” perfectly, by distributing gifts in various measure. All are to benefit from each other.  (1 Cor chapter 12)  And he himself gave some as apostles and some as prophets and some as evangelists and some as pastors and teachers 12 for the equipping of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for building up the body of Christ, 13 until we all reach the unity of the faith and the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to a measure of the maturity of the fullness of Christ.  Eph 4:11-13 In Matt 13:36-43 it says, “The Son of Man will send out his angels and they will gather out of his kingdom all the causes of sin and those who do lawless deeds” Matt 13:41 Jesus stated that his kingdom is “no part of this world”. John 18:36  His kingdom is comprised of the anointed – those part of his Body.  He is the “Lord of lords and King of kings”.  Rev 17:14 (Matt 20:21)    And they were singing a new song, saying, “You are worthy to take the scroll     and to open its seals, because you were slaughtered,     and bought people for God by your blood     from every tribe and language and people and nation, 10 and made them a kingdom and priests to our God,     and they will reign on the earth.” Rev 5:9,10 (1 Pet 2:5,9) Matt 13:37,38 – “So he answered and said, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, 38 and the field is the world. And the good seed—these are the sons of the kingdom, but the darnel are the sons of the evil one.” If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Gal 3:29 We know that not all of God’s anointed become faithful members of the Bride.  They can fall from their heavenly position. 2 Pet 3:17; Rev 8:10,11  This harvest firstly concerns those belonging to Christ, who are part of his kingdom and are found either as good seed or weeds.  I hope you can see that Matt 13:36-43 has nothing to do with the all the kingdoms on the earth and the people in them.  (Luke 4:5-7)  In Matt 13:38; It does say, “the field is the world” – but world can mean, “an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution” which describes the anointed arrangement of "kings" under their Head Jesus Christ.  John 4:23,24 -   Jesus said right before these scriptures:   “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.” John 4:21 Christ’s Body replaced the temple in Jerusalem.  There is no more literal, physical place of worship, since the Temple is now built with “living stones”.  1 Pet 2:5,9   They are given “spirit” and “truth”.  1 John 2:20,27; John 16:13  If they fail in their devotion to God and Christ, they lose what has been given them.  Luke 8:18; 1 Cor 3:18  They will not be sealed into the tribes of “Israel”.    Luke 13:24; Rev 3:11 Again in Rev 18:4, “my people”, refer to God’s holy people – His “special possession”.  They and their companions with them are to leave the “organization” where the “darnel” are teaching His people, lies. Rev 18:4-8 (1 Pet 2:5,9,10)      
    • I don't know if anyone provided an update to this story, but the "brother" finally pled guilty, and was sentenced to five years, for three felony counts of child rape with two different victims. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-who-raped-jehovah-s-witness-girls-sentenced-5-years-n1082136 Elihu Rodriguez, 32, of Yakima, Washington, was given five years, the maximum sentence prosecutors had asked for, after Rodriguez pleaded guilty to three felony counts of child rape in the third degree in September. He was also ordered to register as a sex offender. Both of his victims attended the sentencing, which took place Friday at the King County Maleng Regional Justice Center in Kent, Washington. I believe this was the case I was told something about in 2018, which is why I mentioned then that I couldn't say much because it was an upcoming court case. If it's the same one, then someone (parent?) convinced her not to report it because it was just a matter that this 25-year-old was in love with her, and so they told her it was actually multiple acts of fornication, not child abuse or child rape. She agreed not to report on the basis that she would be considered guilty of fornication, too. So the family moved to another congregation, and within months, she got to a point where she decided she needed to report it to the elders. (I don't think it was because she learned about another girl being raped/abused by the man, even though this would make sense.) When she did report it to her new congregation's elders in 2013, they actually called the legal department just as they were supposed to, but evidently someone thought it was going to be possible to treat this as "consensual" and the elders tried to get her to say it was consensual. She refused to agree with the elders that it was consensual, and took it to the authorities. When I heard about this case (or perhaps another one just like it) I was only told the general area of the US, and some circumstances, but no names. I was only told that this was disturbing that someone would try to turn a child molestation case of a "16 year old girl" into a consensual case in spite of the young age. (I was not told that she was actually 14/15.) Years earlier, J R Brown, as a spokesmen for the Society, had tried to minimize a lot of these cases by saying that a lot of them are like cases of an 18 year old boy with a 16 year old girl, which sounded a bit like the old "boys will be boys" excuse. 
    • The point was that Jehovah is organized, the evidence is all around us. This leads us to believe that His visible favored people would be organized in doing His will. Moving forward we can consider WHO HE is about to sanction based on Matthew 13:36-43, John 4:23,24,Revelation 18:4 and a few more.......
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