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In 1889, the WT said " we present PROOFS that the setting up of the kingdom of God has already? begun...and that 'the battle of the great day of God almighty' (Revelation16:14),which will end in AD1914 with the complete overthrow of the earth's present rulership, is already commenced.".

 

So, the WT presented "proofs"?

These "proofs" were wrong, so what credibility do they have to "proclaim" anything?
 

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      We are now very close to the great tribulation!
      A brother of the betel was concluding his speech when he made the following comment: " Be intensely busy with the word of God," I would like listening very carefully. We who are in Betel we are privileged to work with the faithful and discreet slave and with the body of directors and I wish know you how he feels the body of directors about the time we live now in this system of things.
      The faithful slave feels that it is already happened to the Matthew 24:14 prophecy: "quest for good news the kingdom's be preached in all the inhabited earth."
      What does the party later this word? He says that ... then the end will come.
      He knew you that there are only three countries in the world where there are no Jehovah's Witnesses?
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      1894 "A few more years will wind up the present order of things, and then the chastened world will stand face to face with the actual conditions of the established Kingdom of God. And yet the course of the Church is to be finished within the space of time that intervenes." (Watchtower p. 56, 1894)
       
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Let's try to read the whole chapter 20 of Revelation and follow the order of events. Satan is loosed out of his prison, so misleads the nations which are in the corners of the earth, these surround the camp of the saints and then are killed by fire coming down from heaven. After this event, the death and hades return the dead that are in them - Revelation 20: 11-13 The writing of Revelation 20: 4 it says that the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were finished. " As long as" means "up to the moment when" and not "during" and this would appear to suggest that these thousand years the elect would reign on the survivors of Armageddon and their families but not on any resurrected. The same term, "long" used in Matthew 1:25, we always used to prove that Joseph had no intercourse with his wife Maria until the baby is born .  This should be enough to prove that the resurrection will occur after the end of the millennium , a concept that seems to be repeated in verses 12 and 13. These verses will deepen better but now let's focus on these "rebels" who attack God's people. Who are they and where did they come?   7  Now as soon as they finished the thousand years, Satan will be loosed out of his prison, 8  and will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them to the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea. 9  And they advanced over the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. 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In most parts of the Bible we are told that during the time of judgment his faithful people survives by finding shelter to Edom, Moab and Ammon (which by the way are also the city spared from last World War described in the scripture) - Compare, for example, with Daniel 11:41 Isaiah 16: 4; Psalm 108: 8-10 with Jeremiah 40: 10, 11 These three nations (Edom, Moab and Ammon) were mountainous / hilly and this recalls the words Jesus said to his disciples - Matthew 24: 15, 16 Perhaps the Scripture warns all Christians around the world to flee to the nearest mountains just see the disgusting thing about Israel? In fact, if the destruction of Babylon the Great start should at Armageddon (as we saw) and not the great tribulation, "fleeing to the mountains" mean that Jehovah saves, inevitably, these mountains. In fact, these "mountains" might be a specific location on earth where Jehovah will lead his people just before Armageddon. This or these locations would then be "preserved from judgment." It would not be the first time that Jehovah, in His love and in His mercy, avoid destroy a people on account of his servants. According to the story of Genesis 19:21, 22, the angels of Jehovah avoid destroying Zoar for consideration for Lot yet, from what we understand by reading the whole story, the "small town" was part of Sodom and Gomorrah and had to be destroyed. The war of Armageddon in effect destroys the satanic system composed of the wild beast, the false prophet and his supporters. They fall also all those nations that are compact in the fight against the Lamb. The vast majority of people die in this war because it blinded and marked by the wild beast will die, but those who are not Christians? To the congregation in Philadelphia are told that " would have kept the evidence that has come upon the whole inhabited earth" and for this to happen it is at least conceivable that some Christians find shelter in a "free zone" - Revelation 3:10 If we assume this, then the nations that the end of the millennium they decide to attack the people of God, may arise from these strains survived. Why, in fact, it would make a distinction between them and "the camp of the saints"? There are saints all the inhabitants of the New World? In the new world there will be a "camp of the saints" and a "camp of the saints do not"? Another confirmation could come from the same protection of the Jerusalem above; it is said that "flights in the desert" away from the face of the serpent. 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In fact one of the issues that Satan raised in the garden of Eden, it was if the man was able to govern themselves but the man, with the interference of Satan, you never really ruled alone.   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. He can man to direct his steps without God and not Satan? Even this must be answered This is linked to the words of Revelation 20: 3; Satan is bound " lest mislead the nations" and that it is necessary to give definitively answer to the issue raised in Eden. However, if all nations were destroyed at Armageddon ... how could he mislead? It would make sense to say that Satan is not tied so misleads the nations that no longer exist? Any nations in the four ends of the earth, born from this strain spared, could prove whether the man is really able to govern themselves under favorable conditions, ie without the influence of Satan. 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" For he must reign until [God] has not put all his enemies under his feet." This would seem to mean that during the millennial reign there will still be enemies. Thus the Kingdom under Christ will be a temporary measure to Jehovah's praise to restore humanity in perfect condition and this may also include the destruction of the last government, authority and power, which until the end will refuse to submit - Revelation 20: 8   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Who is to surround the "Saints' Camp" ?
       
      In Ezekiel chapter 38 verses ranging from 8 onwards, it says that you will pay attention to Gog Magog after "many days" and then suggests that they had been left out that is not taken into account or saved during the trial. It seems a contradiction that Gog of Magog exists at the end of satanic system of things and there again in the New World at the end of the millennium ? It makes you think that this "coalition of nations" always has the same name and in fact, in the description of Ezekiel, the subject does not change at all? If Gog of Magog is a coalition of nations, it does not seem strange that nations exist under the reign of Christ? It 'a contradiction only if we take for granted that are destroyed at Armageddon really destroyed all governments and all people. Evidently Gog of Magog  does not exist "again" but he exists "still" (that has never ceased to exist). If you pay attention to him after many days it means that they are always and "many days" are all the years of the millennial kingdom. Gog of Magog always has the same name because it is always the same subject. The people who "accumulates wealth and property" is of course the people of God (the "camp of the saints" according to Revelation) and this indicates the many blessings will God's people during the millennial reign and for contrast with other peoples (why specified that there is a people who accumulate wealth if all accumulate the same wealth?). Blessings that, evidently, will not Gog of Magog otherwise there would be this contrast and there would be no reason to feel envious - Ezekiel 38:12; compares Proverbs 10:22 Why, moreover, there would be this contrast with those who "do not even bar and doors" we are all in a new world of peace, no thieves or other criminals? - Ezekiel 38:11 If you simply read it for what it is, writing really seems to indicate that, during the millennial reign of Christ , there are still people who have bars and doors and they are, obviously, those who have never been interested in the will of God that they must put " bars and doors "and pay attention to their own brothers. The events related to Gog of Magog, described in chapters 38 and 39 of Ezekiel , they are full of interesting details, but one of the things that stands out to the eye is the distinction that exists between them and Israel. It seems, then, that Israel, or the holy people of God, will coexist for a thousand years with these other peoples - Ezekiel 39: 6, 7 At this point the writing of Isaiah 2: 2-4 acquires special significance. So far we have applied this scripture to the people who, accepting the truth today , change behavior and "make their swords plowshares" becoming peaceful people. We also applied to education that will give resurrected in the New World, but let us now reread accepting the possibility of what we have just described.   Isaiah 2: 2-4: " And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and it must stream all nations. 3  And many peoples will certainly go and say, "Come, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths. " For out of Zion shall go forth [the] law, and Jehovah's word from Jerusalem. 4 And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have their swords plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war any more. "   The mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established and raised. When? Evidently, when the system of Satan is eliminated and it will be clear that the way to govern Jehovah is the best ever. " For it must stream all the nations," in what sense and what nations? To the People of God are actually many nations flocked to recognizing that the performance could have to do with our days ; However it is possible that, at the end of Armageddon, people of the nations who escaped from the judgment of God (the nations at the four corners of the earth) decide to flow to the mountain of Jehovah . After the incredible events of Armageddon, now it should be clear who is the True God and what His people! Even so, Jehovah is sanctified among the nations. Many people flock and say, "Come, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths "then describes how their initiative and not as someone who has been persuaded through the preaching of the good news. Indeed, they themselves say, " he will instruct us about his ways." We can imagine that many survivors will stream to Jehovah once seen the great signs of Armageddon, abandoning their old nation and making the necessary changes to be accepted by God - Compare Revelation 11:13 and Joshua 9: 8-11 However it is quite easy to imagine that, despite these unmistakable signs of Jehovah's blessing on His people, not everyone will decide to join. So many people continue to stay in their countries, with their governments, refusing to rush to the mountain of Jehovah. Seen in this light, it is not so amazing to imagine that, at the end of the millennium, when the people of God will have accumulated wealth and blessings to no end, these nations organize themselves to "take many spoils" - Ezekiel 38: 10-12 Even the writing of Daniel 2:44 should give pause. The scripture says, " And the days of those kings the God of heaven set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not go to any other people. It will crush all these kingdoms and put an end, and it itself will stand to times indefinite " . Of such realms he is talking about Daniel? If we read the preceding verses we understand that you are talking of the kingdoms that make up the image of a man with the head of gold, chest and arms of silver, belly and thighs of copper, legs of iron and feet of iron and clay . We know very well that these kingdoms are respectively Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and according to the current understanding, the Anglo-American empire (but, as we saw in a previous article, the last ruling king must be the king of the north). The same powers, always in the book of Daniel, are described as the lion with the wings of an eagle (ie Babylon described in Daniel 7: 4), the hungry bear with three ribs between the teeth (Media- Persia described in Daniel 7: 5), the leopard with four heads and four wings (the Macedonian or Greek empire described in Daniel 7: 6) and the dreadful and terrible beast with iron teeth and ten horns (Rome and then the last power described in Daniel 7: 7, 8, 19). Because the same realms or domains are viewed in two different ways? This is interesting because the beast that John sees "ascend from the sea" has characteristics of all these beasts - Revelation 13: 1, 2 It is, in fact, like a leopard, has the feet of a bear, the mouth of the lion and the ten horns last seen beast of Daniel. These are the kings that are destroyed by Jesus Christ and his chosen ones at Armageddon, ie the kingdoms that join together in the final battle. It includes course his image (the UN) and the false prophet - Revelation 19:19, 20 It includes all those who have participated in the war, directly or indirectly, and all those who have persecuted or wronged the people of God - Revelation 19:21; Zechariah 2: 8 Surely most of humanity will be killed in this war because the ruler of the world will make sure to have people as possible from her, but this will mean that they will be destroyed all the kingdoms and all the people except the Christians? Even those petty kingdoms, small? Even those isolated from the rest of the world, such as islands or small ethnic groups, including those people who, living in restrictive countries towards religion and other religions, they never had the opportunity to know the wonderful truth of God's word? - See Ezekiel 39: 6 These are questions to ponder. It 'true that the "good news" was preached in all the inhabited earth before the end of satanic system ... but this one has really understood all the people and all they really had the same opportunities? Beyond all human cases the words that should make us think more are those given in Daniel 7:11, 12. The scripture says ... "I beheld then because of the sound of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld till the beast was slain and his body was destroyed and it was given to the burning fire. 12  But as for the rest of the beasts, their domains were removed, and was granted a prolongation of life for a time and a season. "   What does this mean and how long "a time and a season"? Meanwhile the context we see that horn that speaketh great things is referred to the "dreadful and terrible beast," that is, the last beast of Daniel's vision. We talk about the period in which "are places of thrones" and "the Ancient of days" sits to judge and therefore can only refer to the time when Jehovah and Christ took power - Revelation 11: 15-18 It is said that the beast is killed and his body is given to the burning fire - Compare Revelation 19:19, 20 It's clear that the writing is referring to the wild beast of Revelation at the time of his judgment yet, after specifying that the beast is given to the burning fire (that was destroyed), verse 12 says ... " But as for the rest of the beasts, their domains were removed, and was granted a prolongation of life for a time and a season " . This specifies very clearly that the other domains are not destroyed but it allows them to continue to exist for some time after the judgment of Armageddon . Let's stop for a moment and re-read carefully these last four lines comparing the cited scriptures. In fact if we carefully read Revelation 19: 19-21 we see that the wild beast, the kings of the earth and their armies gather to make war against Jesus Christ and his army is destroyed but who among all these? The scripture says that is taken the wild beast and the false prophet and cast into the lake of fire. Then, verse 21 says "the rest were killed with the long sword of him that sat on the horse, which [] sword came from his mouth." The remaining whom? The involved subjects are two: the kings of the earth and their armies . Saying "the remaining" the vision refers to kings, their armies or both? If he was referring to both the writing of Daniel specifies that the domains of these kings are simply removed , not destroyed. Surely those who die are in that position (armies, any general or king) in fact, the scripture says that "being killed" but they do not say which end up in the lake of fire. We know that the lake of fire means the second death, and that is a place where you do not back then we have the assurance that the wild beast is destroyed, never to return but the "other" are not uprooted from the earth. Not yet. They killed those who at this moment are making war with the Lamb, but apparently will remain something of their reigns, that the nations belonging to these "remaining" to which an extension for a time and a season was granted. These will have a thousand years of time to recover and at least part of them, fairly numerous in the words of Revelation 20: 8, will attack God's people at the end of the millennium. Gog of Magog existed before Armageddon and will exist after. Finally, as we have seen, after the destruction of these enemies there is still a "last enemy" to be eliminated: the death - See I Corinthians 15:26 This confirms the sequence of events of Revelation
    • By Israeli Bar Avaddhon
      In our path of study of the prophecies, as already seen in various previous articles, we will have come across something that we would not have believed possible. The understanding of Babylon the Great, as well as that concerning Armageddon, the Jerusalem above or the Heavenly Jerusalem, have indeed constituted great changes in the official understanding of Jehovah's Witnesses. We can not ignore the chain effects that these "changes of vision" have produced and continue to produce on many other more or less important doctrines. The author of this blog would like above all to clarify that all the theses presented so far have never been considered inspired or infallible and therefore each reader is invited to make their own evaluations (and maybe to contribute) by comparing and meditating on the Scriptures without any injury. At the same time, however, the author is equally convinced that the articles showed respect for the Bible and used it as a guide and supreme authority. Every affirmation, whenever it was possible, was accompanied or confirmed by one or more Scriptures and therefore, although certain arguments went against the official teaching, it was decided to do so in good conscience. The possible firm conviction of the author as well as certain categorical expressions used are exclusively due to this: the support of the Scriptures - John 17:17; 2 Timothy 3:16, 17; 2 Corinthians 10: 4, 5 The article that will be developed now, will also consist of a significant change of vision and we will see how, changing the conditions, real or possible scenarios become real that, until the day before yesterday, we would have considered really far-fetched - Job 42 :2; Mark 10:27 The wisest thing that each of us can do is to evaluate that every thesis presented is really in harmony with the Scripture, and nothing else, without closing up in shell or reshaping the power of God to what we think possible - Mark 12:24 ; Job 38: 4 Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. What do we know, with certainty, of the battle of Armageddon?     What do we know about the Armageddon war? Speaking of the war of the great day of the Almighty God, what do we know for sure? - 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Well, we know that it is not total destruction due to a human war, a solar flare, a meteorite or other Hollywood nonsense - Isaiah 45:18; Psalm 78:69; Ecclesiastes 1: 4 We know it is the crucial war in which God takes revenge on his enemies and on the enemies of His people - Psalm 2: 3-6; Sofonia 1:18; Zechariah 2: 8 We also know that it is the occasion when Jehovah is magnified and makes himself known to the nations - Ezekiel 36:22, 23 It is the war that will free His people from oppression and slavery and will finally begin the Millennial Kingdom - Exodus 15: 11-13; Revelation 7:10 These are reliable informations. For the rest, when it will happen, what means it will use, which scenario will present itself just before the outbreak of this war, etc., only assumptions are made. One of these assumptions, which seems to have a strict logic, is that the place in Hebrew is called Har-Maghedon, is not a literal place but a situation. In practice it would be the situation in which all the enemies of God find themselves fighting against His People, wherever they are. This conclusion seems absolutely logical because how could a war of such proportions, which should encompass all of humanity and therefore billions of people, take place in such a small geographical area? It is absurd to even think about it. However, before closing our faculties of perception on any contrary subject we try to consider the following - James 1:19 First of all we have seen that the war between the king of the north and the king of the south, which is a prophecy to come, could greatly reduce the number of people present on earth including their armies - compare Revelation 6: 3, 7, 8 It's a raw topic we would not like to talk about but the prophecies seem clear. This topic has been dealt with in various previous articles, including the one entitled "Who is the horn that became very great?". Furthermore, as we saw in the article titled "Which nations disappear in Armageddon?" We know that the war of Armageddon will not destroy all nations and people on the planet. This war will indeed destroy the satanic system which includes the savage beast, the kings of the earth and their armies - 1 John 3: 8 Seen from this point of view, perhaps the fact that this war can be fought in a specific and relatively restricted place becomes a possibility? Furthermore it is necessary to make a couple of clarifications. Har-Magedon, which means "Mountain of Megiddo", is not a specific reference to that "tell" that you see in Volume 1 of the book "Insight" (page 953 in the edition in Italian). What you see in photography is what remains of ancient Megiddo, a small hill built on 26 layers of ruins of ancient cities. That is "Megiddo" but where's the mountain? Since there is no mountain called "Mount of Megiddo" we try to make assumptions without prematurely concluding that the whole argument is symbolic. Megiddo is located at the entrance of the pass through the chain of Mount Carmel, which overlooks the valley of Esdraelon from the south-west. So the Mount of Megiddo might be Mount Carmel (compare 1 Kings 18:19, 20, Jeremiah 46:18, Amos 1: 2; 9: 3; Naum 1: 3, 4) and could include all the hilly countryside that surrounds the valley of Megiddo, one hundred kilometers north of Jerusalem, including the valley of Esdraelon. Space is noticeable, but before assuming any calculation, we try to ask ourselves according to what logic or why the kings of the earth should / could be there. To a superficial judgment it would seem a stupid thing. The kings of the earth and their armies will not be able to fight against Christ and his elect (though they will try to - compare Revelation 19:19, 20) and so it is evident that they will take it upon His people. Why, then, to concentrate in one area of the earth (whatever it is) to try to destroy the people of God if it is found in all the inhabited earth? Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. we have seen that the earth chosen by God for His people is still the Promised Land and the gathering of Israel will be literal.
      The article in part said, "When nations have run out of time, including both the trampling of Jerusalem and the persecution, Armageddon will begin to destroy this beast and all the compact peoples in the fight against the Lamb. At that moment Jerusalem will have been freed and the people of God, after the necessary period spent in the "inner rooms", will be able to go to that country which is still part of the promise and where in a short time it will begin to flow milk and honey - Isaiah 26: 20 " What have we seen so far? We have seen that Babylon the Great is modern apostate Israel but this has to do with the people who occupy it, certainly not with the geographical area which, in itself, can not have merit or guilt - Zechariah 5: 6-8 So, once Israel is liberated from Babylon the Great, Jehovah will bring His people back to that land that bears His name and will be inhabited from generation to generation - Joel 3:20 The crucial question is therefore: will this rallying and consequent exodus to the Promised Land begin after Armageddon or its approach? Some scriptures suggest that this happens just before the final battle. How can we say it? We have seen that during the last war between the king of the north and the king of the south, some nations are able to escape - see Daniel 11:41 The writing mentions Edom, Moab and Ammon and, coincidentally, these are the same nations in which a part of the people of Israel found shelter in the past - compare Psalm 60: 8, 9; Isaiah 16: 4; Jeremiah 40:11 The logical conclusion is that the people of God who survived the war, since they will have to live again Israel now liberated by the Great Whore, are in the vicinity of the Promised Land at least some time before the final battle. This situation would also be similar to what happened in the past but on a much larger scale. If the meeting takes place before Armageddon, then it becomes logical and plausible that the "kings of the earth" will gather in the place that in Hebrew is called Har-Maghedon. This is done to prevent the achievement of the Promised Land (and kill them all at once - compares Psalm 2: 1-6) or simply to kill them once they reach. This hypothesis makes reasonable not only the literal gathering of kings and armies but also the specific place of the gathering. Let's try, for a moment, to read Revelation as if it were the first time and as if they had not taught us anything. The writing says “And I saw three unclean inspired expressions Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. that looked like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and they perform signs, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. and they go out to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. of the great day of God the Almighty ( ... ) And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Armageddon" – Revelation 16:13, 14, 16 Without doing any disquisition on what terms and what it means, the first image that would come to mind are the kings who are gathered together somewhere, is not it? In fact, the writing says that these frogs "gathered them", which makes one think that these kings are heading towards a specific place. After all we have never done any disquisitions on the idea that these frogs actually go to the kings of the earth; we have never hypothesized that their "going to" the kings of the earth was symbolic because it is evident that, if these kings live in different and distant nations, these frogs have to go or go towards them. But we have re-discussed that the kings go somewhere. So frogs go literally (they must reach these kings) while kings go in a symbolic sense. That is, they do not go anywhere. The question that would be spontaneous to those who did not know anything about the issues at stake would be ... "Why do the kings of the earth, at the approach of the war, go to the place called Har-Maghedon (whatever place it is)?" In a war scenario, the answer would become simple: because the object of contention is in that area or near that area. Any nation that would place its army on the borders of another nation would send a strong and clear message. He is preparing for the war. In this case, however, the question does not concern the conquest of the territory of Israel but the extermination of the people who intend to live there - Psalm 2: 1-4 Finally we must distinguish the kings of the earth from their armies. The writing of Revelation says that only the kings of the earth are gathered at Har-Maghedon. How many will be the kings of the earth, following their ministers, their officials in various capacities, their bodyguards, etc? A few thousand? A few tens of thousands? Is the entire hilly area of Carmel and the valley of Esdraelon it’s sufficient to accommodate a few tens of thousands of people? Obviously yes, even only the Carmel. Where will the armies be and for which aircraft will they be extended? We do not have a precise answer but we can make some reasoning based on what we know from the scriptures. The simple distinction, which perhaps few have noticed, between the kings of the earth and their armies, should make every hypothesis fall "of the impossibility of the event" because if the Bible does not specify the area of armies extension they could really be hundreds of millions and even billions of people. The final battle would take place "around the Mount of Megiddo" for an indefinite area (why could not they cover all of Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Egypt, Syria and Iraq for example?) God's people would still be surrounded, the writing would not it would fail and Jehovah would rise above the nations. So, regardless of all the reasoning we have just made, if the Bible does not specify the extent of the armies deployed against the people of God, all the discourse on the secure symbolic nature of writing lapses or at least is not as reasonable as it initially seemed. We will try however to "build" the extension of this army only on the basis of what we know and keeping as close as possible so that all the talk will acquire heaviness and it is really the Bible to speak - Romans 3: 4 Regarding the last dominant king described in Daniel chapters 11 and 12 we know that he will place his tents "between the great sea and the holy Mount of the Adornment" - Daniel 11:45 After this event "he will have to come to his end, and there will not be a rescuer for him" and then it is understood that "pitching the tents" is the last action he performs before his final destruction. We have also seen that the destruction of Babylon the Great (or the nation of Israel) is the prelude to Armageddon and not to the great tribulation. As a result, the army of the last ruling king should already be present on the territory of Israel before the final battle * (see footnote). He simply has to wait for all the others to come (it is to be noted, in fact, that the writing which calls for the gathering of the kings of the earth at Har-Maghedon makes no mention of the wild beast. He is not mentioned because he is among the kings or simply because it is already there?). However, for the moment we do not know whether this immense army will stand as a shield to prevent Israel from entering or whether it will wait for "the people gathered from all the earth" to actually enter the country and then surround it - see for example Joel 3: 9- 12; Nehemiah 6:16; Psalm 44:13; 59: 5, 6; 76:11, 12; 97: 1-3; Jeremiah 1: 14-16; 6:25; 25: 9; Lamentations 1:17 For the moment we can imagine both situations since concepts do not change. So, to obstruct any access to the coming people, the armies will have to cover Israel at least for its entire length. Does this seem reasonable to you? So we have to hypothesize an extension that goes from the Great Sea (the Mediterranean) to the Mount of the Adornment west of Israel and an extension at least similar to the east side of Israel (in terms of width). So a length at least equal to that of Israel if not more. What area are we talking about? We can only make an estimate but a territory equal to twice the current Israel should cover an area of 45 / 50,000 square kilometers. With this in mind, let us now assume how powerful this army could be. A site makes a list of the ten most numerous armies (updated to 2015). This is the list with the respective numbers.   CHINA (number of staff: 2.285.000). UNITED STATES (1.458.000). INDIA (1.325.000) NORTH KOREA (1.106.000) RUSSIA (1.027.000) TURKEY (666,500) SOUTH KOREA (639,000). PAKISTAN (617,000) IRAN (523,000). EGYPT (468,000)   The total number of staff would be just over ten million people. We also consider that, as we saw at the beginning, the war between the kings of the north and the king of the south by then will have greatly reduced the numbers and at least a part of the nations listed above may not exist anymore. For the benefit of the numbers, however, it must be said that in case of conflict the "effective" would not be the only ones to go to war. The numbers could be greatly underestimated (it is doubtful, in fact, that the official numbers correspond to the real ones). Finally we must consider that this is the last move of Satan before being thrown into the abyss for a thousand years so he would have every interest in making the armies as numerous as possible. So we multiply by five these numbers and assume that the final attack includes 50 million armed soldiers to the teeth. The area we estimated could contain fifty million people? Yes and fairly well if we consider that these people are not there to live or stay but simply as soldiers waiting to launch a furious attack. Every soldier would have a living space of about one square meter. Do you remember the photographs in which Hitler had his huge troops? In those large gatherings there were probably three or four people every square meter. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.   In Hitler's huge gatherings there were probably 3 or 4 people per square meter   It is evident that we are making assumptions and the estimates, both of the army and of the militarized area, could vary a lot, but the point we want to illustrate is simply one. Despite the ideas that we made about the war of Har-Magedon, and how they are rooted in us, we can not exclude that the final battle takes place in this geographical area and that it will prove to be the biggest fight in the history of humanity. Indeed, the scriptures mentioned in support of the argument suggest that this is not simply a possibility. Any new understanding, however, can make other scriptures harmonious or create forcing. Forcing should be an indicator that "something is wrong". What happens with the other scriptures, understanding that the place of the final battle will be a specific and relatively restricted place? Meanwhile, as we have mentioned, this situation would be very similar to several biblical episodes we know - see for example Exodus 14: 10-14; 2 Kings 18: 19-25 Jehovah would be exalted in the midst of the nations precisely because, not being really all destroyed, the distant peoples and nations would speak of this event with terror and for centuries - compare Joshua 2: 9-11; Deuteronomy 2:25; Psalm 112: 10 Isaiah 63: 1-6 describes Jehovah coming from Edom who, as we have seen, is one of the places where God's people find refuge, and from there he begins to "tread peoples into His wrath." Psalm 2: 2 describes all the peoples and national groups united "as one man" and this gives the idea that the rulers of the earth, and therefore their armies, are effectively gathered somewhere as one army, a single mass and compact. Finally (but not "finally" because you will find many other similarities if you want to look for them) suddenly becomes clear why the king of the north is troubled because of news from the east and the north - see Daniel 11:44 So far what have we been told? In other words ... we have been told that we do not know. In the book "Pay attention to the prophecies of Daniel" on page 283 (Italian edition) we speak of Gog of Magog (among other things in the understanding that it is Satan the Devil) and paragraph 26 concludes with the words "But what at the end they will contain the news from the east and from the north only God will establish it and time will tell it ". Instead, understanding the scenario that will be created shortly before the final battle we can guess why this king is so upset. He sees the people of God, who evidently believed he had eliminated, gathered and on their way to the Promised Land! Depict the scene. It is easy to imagine that he understands that there is God, the True God and not the farce built by the false prophet behind all this. Despite his immense power and his fury, he has not succeeded in eliminating the people of God who are now reaching the Promised Land in fulfillment of Bible prophecy. It is not surprising that this causes great anger in him and comes out "with great fury to annihilate and to vote many to destruction", or the people of God gathered there - Daniel 11:43 And this explains why he "will pitch the tents of his palace between [the] great sea and the holy mount of the Adornment". Let's take a moment to imagine the scene and see us there, intent on reaching the promised land as the Israelites were in the time of Moses. Perhaps we may find ourselves imprisoned between the Great Sea and the army or we may be a few kilometers from the border and see "men of extraordinary stature" - Numbers 13:33 Perhaps some of us, seeing such a colossal army, might doubt Jehovah's power or his will to protect us - Isaiah 43:10, 11 Try to imagine how many situations described in the Bible would become the mirror of those last moments of the system of things. It is not difficult to see the harmony of the Word of God and to understand what will happen if we free ourselves from our conditioning and do not associate the word "impossible" with God. Is not it a wonderful prospect? One day, towards the end of the terrifying events that will occur on earth, someone will call us to lead us to the Promised Land, but the journey will be reserved only for those who will understand the prophecy and act accordingly. Next stop: Israel. Take the ticket. Make reservations now. The forecasts say that the area will be quite crowded.     Footnote. The article entitled "1290 and 1335 days" shows a difference of 45 days between trampling on God's people and achieving his "happiness" - see Daniel 12:12 These 45 days could include the time of the gathering of the people of God and the consequent exodus that will lead them to cross the boundaries of the Promised Land.   It is necessary to specify that even if the lowering of the waters of the Euphrates has to do with the destruction of these peoples and not simply with the loss of the defenses, this could refer to the peoples that surround Israel and not with Israel - compare Joel 3 : 4 This could mean that the payment of the sixth cup of the angel is not yet the actual destruction of Babylon the Great and therefore the people of Israel might still be alive and active when God's people approach it to "repopulate". As strange as this may seem, this seems to be in harmony with Revelation 16:19 which says that God would have remembered Babylon "to give it the cup of wine of the fury of his wrath" and by reading the context this happens during or near of the judgment of armageddon - compare Revelation 16:13 Other Bibles translate in a similar way and therefore it would seem evident that when nations gather in Armageddon, God still has to pour his wrath upon Babylon the Great. If this understanding is correct, when the king of the north "will come out with great fury to annihilate and vote many to destruction" it is possible that in his blinding fury he will strike first the nation that had always been their lover - compare Revelation 18 : 10, 15, 18 (see also Zechariah 14:13, 14) And obviously this will happen by God's will - Revelation 17:17 This possibility makes very probable the situation in which the people of God are effectively blocked between Israel (still populated) and all the armies of the world.  
    • By The Librarian
      Austro-Hungarian and Royal Prince of Hungary and of Bohemia, and from 1889 until his death, heir presumptive to the Austro-Hungarian throne. His assassination in Sarajevo precipitated Austria-Hungary's declaration of war against Serbia. This caused countries allied with Austria-Hungary (the Triple Alliance) and countries allied with Serbia (the Triple Entente Powers) to declare war on each other, starting World War I.
      The bullet that killed the Archduke; sometimes referred to as "the bullet that started World War I"
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      Franz Ferdinand ignored warnings that Serbian terrorist group the Black Hand — still reeling from Austrian annexation in 1908 — was plotting to assassinate him during his state visit to Sarajevo.
      Plus, the day of his tour was Serbia’s National Day. Sophie pleaded with him not to go.
      So why did he? Death was better than humiliation, said Lebow. It was a matter of honor.
      Franz Ferdinand and his wife Sophie riding in an open carriage at Sarajevo shortly before their assassination on June 28, 1914. Photo by Henry Guttmann/Getty Images
      On June 28, 1914, Franz Ferdinand and Sophie were riding in the third of a seven-car convoy when a bomb bounced off their hood, exploding as the fourth car passed.
      At this point, said Lebow, “any security detail worth its salt would have rushed these people out of town immediately.”
      But they didn’t. Franz Ferdinand insisted that they pay a visit to an officer wounded in the bombing. On the way, the driver took a wrong turn, and happened to reverse right in front of one of the conspirators, Gavrilo Princip, who, said Lebow, was sipping a drink outside.
      Pointing his pistol at the car, Princip fired two shots.
      When Sophie was shot alongside Franz Ferdinand in 1914, these were his last words to her, as published in “Archduke of Sarajevo”: “Sopherl, Sopherl, don’t die. Stay alive for the children!”
      And the rest, as they say, is history.
    • By Israeli Bar Avaddhon
      Chapters 19 and 20 of Revelation will unveil some significant details about the war of Armageddon and what will happen next. These details will include two major changes to the current understanding and, just as happened with the identity of Babylon the Great, this "change of vision" will be a real stumbling block for many Jehovah's Witnesses. These chapters will be examined in the next article but, faced with such a serious change of understanding for two other subjects, it was decided to treat them separately in the light of the whole Scripture. First of all we must realize that the Revelation speaks of the resurrection at the end of the millennium, and not during the millennium. This will be dealt with in detail in due course. For the moment ... accept this possibility only to make the theme of this article comprehensible, which must answer the question, in fact, "which nations disappear in Armageddon?". It is clear that here we return to the usual "problem" if the book was written in chronological order or not but meanwhile we saw that the 7 seals are sequential, the 7 trumpets must be sequential (the apostle Paul calls the seventh trumpet "the last trumpet") and so also the seven cups of the wrath of God. If all this is sequential ... is it consistent to think that just the last chapters are not? Let's try to read the whole chapter 20 of Revelation and follow the order of events. Satan is dissolved from his prison, then misleads the nations that are at the corners of the earth, these surround the field of saints and then are killed by fire coming down from the sky. After this event, the death and hades return the dead that are in them - Revelation 20: 11-13 The writing of Revelation 20: 4 says that the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were over. "Until" means "up to the moment" and not "during" and this would mean that in these thousand years the elect would rule on the survivors of Armageddon and their families, but not the resurrected ones. The same term, "until", used in Matthew 1:25, we have always used it to show that Joseph did not have relations with his wife Marie until the birth of the child. This should be sufficient to show that the resurrection will take place after the end of the millennium, a concept that seems to be reaffirmed in verses 12 and 13. We will go deeper into these verses but now let's focus on these "rebels" who attack the people of God. Who are they and where did they come from? Revelations 20:7-10 says... "Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Ma?gog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  And they advanced over the whole earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and consumed them. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulfur, where both the wild beast Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. and the false prophet already were; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. and they will be tormented Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. day and night forever and ever". At the end of a thousand years, Satan is dissolved to "mislead those nations that are in the four corners of the earth" and gathers them to war. It seems really incredible that something like that happens! Is it possible that in the new world people still organize themselves in political nations, that create divisions and that even attack the part of that people remained faithful? This is the first hypothesis and roughly represents the current intention. Before thinking that it is nonsense ... is it possible to hypothesize that during the Armageddon war a part of the earth is spared also to allow the survival of the people of God? In several parts of the Bible it is said that during the time of judgment his faithful people escapes finding shelter to Edom, Moab and Ammon (which by the way are also the cities spared from the world war) - Compare for example Daniel 11:41 with Isaiah 16: 4; Psalm 108: 8-10 with Jeremiah 40: 10, 11 These three nations (Edom, Moab and Ammon) were mountainous / hilly and this recalls the words Jesus spoke to his disciples - Matthew 24: 15, 16 Does Scripture warn all Christians in the world to flee to the nearest mountains as soon as they see the disgusting thing about Israel? Indeed, if the destruction of Babylon the Great gave rise to Armageddon (as we have seen) and not to the great tribulation, "fleeing the mountains" would mean that Jehovah would save these mountains by force of things. In fact these "mountains" could be a specific locality of the earth where Jehovah will lead his people just before Armageddon. This or these locations would then be "preserved by judgment". It would not be the first time that Jehovah, in his love and mercy, avoids destroying a certain people because of his servants. According to the account of Genesis 19:21, 22, the angels of Jehovah avoid destroying Zoar for consideration of Lot, and yet, from what is understood by reading the whole story, that "little city" was part of Sodom or Gomorrah and therefore had to be destroyed. The war of Armageddon actually destroys the satanic system composed of the wild beast, the false prophet and his supporters. All those nations that are compact in fighting against the Lamb also fall. The vast majority of people die in this war because blinded and branded by the wild beast but will die all those who are not Christians? The Philadelphia congregation is told that "it would be preserved by the test that must come on the entire inhabited earth" and that this can be done at least hypothesizes that some Christians find shelter in a "free zone" - Revelation 3:10 If we can hypothesize this, then the nations that at the end of the millennium decide to attack the people of God, could be born from these surviving strains. Why, in fact, would you make a distinction between them and "the field of saints"? Are not all the inhabitants of the new world "saints"? In the new world will there be a "field of saints" and a "field of non-saints"? Another confirmation could come from the very protection of Jerusalem above; it is said to "fly in the desert" far from the face of the serpent. When Satan tries to make her drown "the earth comes to her aid" and this means that at least until the last moment of divine judgment there is still a "stable" part of the world - Revelation 12:15 This could also explain why the resurrection does not take place during this millennium; simply because you are not yet in that new world that we imagine even if it will already be a new world and you will already have many reasons to be happy. We should probably make a distinction between "millennial reign" (which will bring many blessings to faithful humanity) and "new world" that will begin after the resurrection, at the moment when Christ returns the kingdom to his God and Father. This period could simply be a period of transition during which human beings can live in peace without the influence of Satan and under the guidance of divine teaching for all those who wish to obey. In fact, one of the questions Satan raised in the Garden of Eden was precisely if man was able to govern himself but man, with the interference of Satan, he never really ruled alone.   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.     Can man direct his steps without God and without Satan? Also to this we must answer   This is related to the words of Revelation 20: 3; Satan is bound "not so misleads the nations" and that it is necessary to give definitively answer to the issue raised in Eden. However, if all the nations were destroyed at Armageddon ... how could he mislead them? Would it make sense to say that Satan is bound to keep the nations that no longer exist? Possible nations in the four corners of the earth, born of this spared stock, could show if man is really able to govern himself in favorable conditions, that is without the influence of Satan. After this last human rebellion, which will have consciously shown that they prefer Satan's government to that of Jehovah, both Satan and disobedient humanity will be eliminated forever. Only after the resurrection of the dead and after their judgment "death and Ades will be thrown into the lake of fire" and therefore we should assume that, throughout the millennium, despite having favorable conditions, we will continue to age and die? It is unthinkable because the anointed rulers will fulfill their priestly functions by expiating the sin of humanity and thus preventing the death of their subjects. Death that, however, will always be lurking and not yet permanently eliminated until the end of the millennium. It will be "the last enemy" to be eliminated in fact, if at the end of the millennium there will still be "enemies to be eliminated" (the nations surrounding the holy field), this should demonstrate that the resurrection, and therefore the definitive elimination of death, it will happen only after that event - I Corinthians 15:26 In this regard the writing of I Corinthians 15:24, 25, if read carefully, seems to specify the order of events, that is, Jesus Christ will deliver the Kingdom to his God and Father when he has reduced to nothing "every government and every authority and power". Obviously if every government and every authority and power were reduced to nothing during the war of Armageddon, He (Jesus Christ) should deliver the government at that very moment, that is, when he had just taken power. Let's reread these last six lines and try to understand their meaning even if "this meaning" goes out blatantly against our most deeply rooted convictions. Verse 25 says ... "For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet". This would seem to mean that there will still be enemies during the millennial reign. So the Kingdom ruled by Christ will be a temporary provision to Jehovah's praise to bring humanity back to perfection and this can also include the destruction of the last governments, authorities and powers, which will ultimately refuse to submit - Revelation 20: 8   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.   Who will truly surround the "field of saints"?     In Ezekiel chapter 38 the verses from 8 on wards it is said that attention will be paid to Gog of Magog after "many days" and therefore suggests that these had been left out that is not taken into account or spared during of judgment. Does not it seem a contradiction that Gog of Magog exists at the end of the satanic system of things and exists again in the new world at the end of the millennium? Does it not reflect that this "coalition of nations" always has the same name and indeed, in the description of Ezekiel, does not the subject change at all? If Gog of Magog is a coalition of nations, does not it seem strange that nations are formed under the reign of Christ? It is a contradiction only if we take for granted that all governments and all people are really destroyed in Armageddon. Evidently Gog of Magog does not exist again but it still exists (ie it has never ceased to exist). If "pay attention to him" after many days it means that they are always theirs and the "many days" are all the years of the millennial reign. Gog of Magog always has the same name because it is always the same subject. The people who "accumulate wealth and property" are obviously the people of God (the "field of saints" according to Revelation) and this indicates the many blessings that God's people will have during the millennial reign and the contrast with other peoples (why specify that there is a people that accumulates wealth if all accumulate the same riches?). Blessings that, apparently, will not have Gog of Magog otherwise there would be no such contrast and there would be no reason to feel envy - Ezekiel 38:12; compare Proverbs 10:22 Why, moreover, would there be this contrast with those who "do not even bar and doors" if we are all in a new world of peace, without thieves or other criminals? - Ezekiel 38:11 If read simply for what it is, the scripture really seems to indicate that, during the millennial reign of Christ, there still exist peoples who have bars and doors and are evidently those who have never been interested in the will of God for whom they must put " bars and doors" and pay attention to their own brothers. The events related to Gog Magog, described in chapters 38 and 39 of Ezekiel, are full of interesting details but one of the things that stands out right now is the distinction between them and Israel. It therefore seems that Israel, or the holy people of God, will live together with these other peoples for a thousand years - Ezekiel 39: 6, 7 At this point the writing of Isaiah 2: 2-4 acquires a particular meaning. So far we have applied this writing to people who, by accepting the truth today, change their behavior and "make their swords into plowshares" by becoming peaceful people. We have also applied it to the instruction that will be given to the resurrected in the New World, but let us now try to reread it by accepting the possibility of what we have just described. Isaiah 2: 2-4: "In the final part of the days, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. And it will be raised up above the hills,And to it all the nations will stream. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah,To the house of the God of Jacob. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. He will instruct us about his ways,And we will walk in his paths.” Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. For law Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. will go out of Zion,And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore".   The mountain of Jehovah's house will be firmly established and raised. When? Evidently when the Satan system is eliminated, it will be clear that Jehovah's way of governing is the best ever. "All nations must flow to it", in what sense and which nations? Many nations have indeed flowed into the people of God, for whom it is recognized that fulfillment could have something to do with our days; nevertheless, it is possible that, at the end of Armageddon, people of the nations survived by the judgment of God (the peoples at the four corners of the earth) decide to flow to the mountain of Jehovah. After the incredible events of Armageddon, it should by now be clear who the True God is and what His people are. In this way, too, Jehovah is sanctified in the midst of the nations. Many people flow and say, "Come, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will certainly walk in his paths" so it's describes as their own initiative and not as someone who has been persuaded through the preaching of the good news. Indeed, they themselves are saying "he will instruct us around his ways". We can imagine that many survivors will flow to the mountain of Jehovah once they have seen the great signs of Armageddon, abandoning their old nation and making the necessary changes to be accepted by God - Compare Revelation 11:13 and Joshua 9: 8-11 Yet it is easy enough to imagine that, despite these unequivocal signs of Jehovah's blessing on His people, not everyone will decide to be part of it. So many people will continue to stay in their nations, with their governments, refusing to rush to Jehovah's mountain. Seen from this perspective, it is no longer so incredible to imagine that, at the end of the millennium, when God's people have accumulated riches and blessings to no end, these nations organize themselves to "take many spoils" - Ezekiel 38: 10-12 Even the writing of Daniel 2:44 should make us reflect. The writing says: "“In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. that will never be destroyed. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. and it alone will stand forever". What realms is Daniel talking about? If we read the preceding verses we understand that we are talking about the kingdoms that make up the image of a man with a golden head, chest and arms of silver, belly and thighs of copper, legs of iron and feet of iron and clay . We know very well that these kingdoms are respectively Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece, Rome and, according to current understanding, the Anglo-American empire (but, as we saw in a previous article, the last dominant king must be the king of the north). The same powers, also in the book of Daniel, are described as the lion with the wings of an eagle (or Babylon described in Daniel 7: 4), the ravenous bear with three ribs between the teeth (Media- Persia described in Daniel 7: 5), the leopard with four heads and four wings (the Macedonian or Greek empire described in Daniel 7: 6) and the frightful and terrible beast with the iron teeth and the ten horns (Rome and therefore the last power described in Daniel 7: 7, 8, 19). Why are the same realms or domains seen in two different ways? This is interesting because the beast that John sees "ascending from the sea" has characteristics of all these beasts - Revelation 13: 1, 2 It is in fact similar to a leopard, has the feet of a bear, the mouth of the lion and the ten horns of the last beast seen by Daniel. These are the kings that are destroyed by Jesus Christ and his elect at Armageddon, that is, the kingdoms that will coalesce in the final battle. Obviously it includes his image (the UN) and the false prophet - Revelation 19:19, 20 It includes all those who participated in the war, directly or indirectly, and all those who have persecuted or unjustly treated God's people - Revelation 19:21; Zechariah 2: 8 Surely a good part of humanity will be killed in this war because the ruler of the world will make sure to have as many people as possible, but will this mean that all kingdoms and all people will be destroyed except for Christians? Even those insignificant, small realms? Even those isolated from the rest of the world, like islands or small ethnic groups, including those people who, living in countries that are restrictive of religion or other religions, have never had the opportunity to know the marvelous truths of God's word? - See Ezekiel 39: 6 These are questions to think about. It is true that the "good news" was preached in all the inhabited earth before the end of the satanic system ... but did this really understand all the people and everyone really had the same opportunities? Beyond any human hypothesis, the words that should make us reflect more are those reported in Daniel 7:11, 12. The writing says ... "I kept watching at that time because of the sound of the arrogant Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. words that the horn was speaking; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. I watched until the beast was killed and its body was destroyed and it was given over to be burned in the fire. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  But as for the rest of the beasts, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. their rulerships were taken away, and their lives were prolonged for a time and a season". What does this mean and how long does it last "a time and a season"? Meanwhile, from the context we see that the horn that speaks great things is referred to the "terrible and terrible beast" that is the last beast of Daniel's vision. There is talk of the period in which "thrones are placed" and "the Ancient of days" sits to judge and therefore can only refer to the time when Jehovah and Christ take power - Revelation 11: 15-18 It is said that the beast is killed and his body is given to the burning fire - Compare Revelation 19:19, 20 It is evident that the scripture is referring to the wild beast of Revelation at the time of its judgment and yet, after specifying that the beast is given to the burning fire (therefore it has been destroyed), verse 12 says ... "But as for the rest of the beasts, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. their rulerships were taken away, and their lives were prolonged for a time and a season". This specifies very clearly that the other domains are not destroyed but allows them to continue to exist for some time after the judgment of Armageddon. We try to stop for a moment and reread the last four lines carefully comparing the cited writings. In fact, if we read Revelation 19: 19-21 carefully, we see that the wild beast, the kings of the earth and their armies gather to make war against Jesus Christ and his army, but who is destroyed among all these? The writing says that the wild beast and the false prophet is taken and thrown into the lake of fire. Then, verse 21 says "the rest were killed with the long sword of him who sat on the horse, which [sword] came out of his mouth." The remaining whom? There are two subjects involved: the kings of the earth and their armies. By saying "the rest" does the vision refer to kings, their armies or both? If he also referred to both of Daniel's writing, he specifies that the domains of these kings are simply removed, not destroyed. Surely die those who are in that position (armies, any generals or kings) in fact the writing says that "they are killed" but they are not said to end up in the lake of fire. We know that the lake of fire means the second death and that is a place from which we do not return so we have the assurance that the wild beast is destroyed so as not to return again but the "remaining" are not uprooted from the earth. Not yet. Those who are waging war against the Lamb are killed, but evidently there will remain something of their kingdoms, that is, the nations belonging to these "remaining" who have been granted an extension for a time and a season. These will have a thousand years to recover and at least a part of them, quite numerous according to the words of Revelation 20: 8, will attack the people of God at the end of the millennium. Gog of Magog existed before Armageddon and will exist even later. Finally, as we have seen, after the destruction of these enemies there is still "one last enemy" to be eliminated: the death - See 1 Corinthians 15:26 This confirms the sequence of events of Revelation.    
       
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      Wt 02/7/15 – “Could it be that the fire of hell is symbolic of all-consuming, or thorough, destruction? Separating fire from Hades, or hell, the Scriptures say: “Death and Hades were hurled into the lake of fire.” “The lake” mentioned here is symbolic, since death and hell (Hades) that are thrown into it cannot literally be burned. “This [lake of fire] means the second death” —death from which there is no hope of coming back to life. — Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. .

      Wt. 08/11/1 pp. 8,9  THOSE who teach that hell is a place of torment promote a gross misrepresentation of Jehovah God and his qualities. Granted, the Bible does say that God will destroy the wicked. ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) But righteous anger is not God’s dominant quality.
      (Actually, the "destroyer" is Satan  Isa 33:1; 1 Cor 10:9,10; Heb 11:28)     
      God is not malicious or vindictive. He even asks: “Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , King James Version) If God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked, how could he for all eternity delight in watching these ones being tormented? 
      What about Armageddon?  The Wt. continually depicts great slaughter, convincing JWs that it will be a time of torment with mutilated bodies everywhere.  Anthony Morris willingly gives his colorful interpretation of the carnage resulting from the war’s aftermath.
      YET, did you catch this, JWs?
        Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. wp17 No. 6 p. 16   Armageddon is the symbolic place of “the war of the great day of God the Almighty,” his war against the wicked. — Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. .
      If hell is symbolic with no literal “fire”, should the Watchtower show such glaring pictorial atrocities of Armageddon, or stick with the little-known fact that they present you above?  Who is playing games with your mind? 
       
      "At the root of this battle of Armageddon, is the struggle to win over the hearts of men, and what it is that they put their faith in and worship. Each side of this battle, has it's own overlord and King. It is what proceeds from the mouth of each of these King of kings, that fuels this decisive battle.
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      From the mouth of Satan (and those belonging to his "woman" - Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ), comes deception, spiritual darkness, false doctrines, and death ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). From the mouth of Christ (and those belonging to his "woman" - Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ), comes insight, spiritual light, truth, and life ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  B;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  B;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).

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      Nowhere in the Bible, is the interpretation of Armageddon described as a literal execution, instigated by God and carried out by the political governments of Satan's world by material warfare, as so many have assumed.
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    • By Israeli Bar Avaddhon
      PRECAUCIÓN El siguiente artículo renegocia uno de los "pilares" de la comprensión del cuerpo directivo. Ya que el autor no quiere escandalizar o hacer caer ninguno, y mucho menos crear divisiones o sectas, se invita al lector a considerar cuidadosamente si desea seguir leyendo. Continuar o no continuar, por lo tanto, sólo será una decisión personal. Una mejor cosa que podríamos hacer todos: abrir la Biblia y comparar todas las escrituras citadas y evaluar si los argumentos son lógicos y coherentes con la Palabra de Dios     Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.     Todo lo que hemos leído acerca de la profecía de las "setenta semanas", descrito en el libro "prestar atención a las profecías de Daniel!" (Capítulo 11) es digno de atención y muestra cómo la palabra de Dios es exacta y fiable, incluso cuando pronuncia profecías muy lejanas en el tiempo. Fue también obvia la precisión histórica y las numerosas escrituras que dieron peso y credibilidad a todo el asunto. Cualquier persona que se acerca a la Palabra de Dios sin ideas preconcebidas no puede dejar de ser impresionado por esta demostración del poder y la sabiduría de Dios. La explicación de las 70 semanas es irreprochable, pero el mismo puede decirse de otras profecías? ¿Qué pasa con aquellos cálculos en que muchos de nosotros han basado las esperanzas de una vida y que se enfrentan con la crítica de la mayoría? Estamos hablando del 1914. Esta es también una profecía de Daniel? Esto también fue tratado con la misma maravillosa exactitud de las setenta semanas que acabamos de leer? Aunque puede no ser fácil, tratamos de ser objetivos porque entender o no entender la profecía, como el resto de la Palabra de Dios, puede hacer una gran diferencia para nuestro futuro eterno - Juan 17: 3; 2 Tesalonicenses 1: 8   ¿Qué podemos decir sobre 1914?   El libro "prestar atención a las profecías de Daniel" en las páginas 85 a 97 (ediciòn italiana) explica en detalle el sueño de Nabucodonosor y la profecía de los siete tiempos afirmando que eso indica la llegada del Reino de Dios en 1914.
      Sería rentable, por lo tanto, tomar el libro y comparar con lo que se leerá a continuación.
      El sueño de Nabucodonosor profetiza realmente la venida del Reino de Dios en 1914?   Es realmente asì? Vamos a examinar lo que está escrito en el libro sin prejuicios. A primera vista parece que Jehová Dios ha querido dar una lección de humildad a Nabucodonosor, lo que fue. Los "siete tiempos", seguramente para él, fueron siete años y esto es confirmado por toda la historia. Si debemos leer todo esto sin prejuicios, no parece que tenemos que buscar otras explicaciones más o menos ocultas. Sin embargo, tomamos por válido el argumento que "el árbol indica un dominio y una forma mucho más soberana del rey de Babilonia. Simboliza la soberanía universal de Jehová, el Rey del cielo, especialmente con respecto a la tierra ". Esto significa, en primer lugar, que el Reino de Dios se está comparando, en cierto modo, al reino de Babilonia y esto contrasta con muchos pasajes bíblicos que describen Babilonia como el mayor enemigo del pueblo de Dios. También significa que el "vigilante" (es decir, un ángel del Señor) decide derribar el reino de Dios y esto es, por lo menos, raro. Algunos objetarán que no hay que buscar similitudes en todos los aspectos de la profecía, pero también decidir cual parte de la profecía debe tener una segunda realización y cual no puede ser bastante arbitrario. Básicamente, no tenemos escrituras que nos dicen qué detalles destacar y cuáles omitir (y por cual razón) Así que están diciendo que la profecía del árbol se aplica en su totalidad a Nabucodonosor, mientras que sólo una pequeña parte se aplicaría al Reino de Dios. En la profecía de las "setenta semanas", no teníamos necesidad de romper la profecía para tratar de entender lo que se aplica o si se aplican a más de una persona, porqué el tema era claro y riconoscibil desde el principio. Toda la profecía de los 7 tiempos, sin embargo, se basa en un único verso que es lo que dice ... "El árbol creció y se hizo fuerte, y su altura misma finalmente alcanzó a los cielos, y era visible Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. hasta la extremidad de toda la tierra. " (Daniel 4:11) El libro mencionado dice: "el árbol grande es el dominio que alcanza los confines de la tierra', que abarca todo el reino de la humanidad. Por lo tanto simboliza la soberanía universal de Jehová, particularmente en relación con la tierra. - Daniel 4:17 ". No es un poco frágil, es decir peligroso, construir una serie de profecías (todas unidas entre ellas) por esta única explicación? Tenemos en cuenta que la especificación "particularmente en relación con la tierra" se debe al hecho que la soberanía universal de Jehová es, de hecho, universal, por lo tanto el árbol se habría visto no sólo en toda la tierra, sino en todo el universo. Especificar, sin embargo, "en relación con la tierra", podemos excluir los cielos de la visión y disfrutar de buena la aplicación. Sin embargo, debemos hacernos una pregunta. El hecho de que el árbol alcanza los cielos o los confines de la tierra es una demostración o incluso una indicación de que estamos hablando acerca del Reino de Dios? Dejamos que sea la Biblia a iluminarnos. Observe lo que Jehová le dijo a Ezequiel en referencia al Faraón. Ezequiel 31: 1-8 dice ... "Y ocurrió, además, que en el año undécimo, en el [mes] tercero, en el [día] primero del mes, la palabra de Jehová me ocurrió, y dijo: Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  “Hijo del hombre, di a Faraón el rey de Egipto y a su muchedumbre: Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ”‘¿A quién te has llegado a parecer en tu grandeza? Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  ¡Mira! A un asirio, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. un cedro del Líbano, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. bello en rama mayor, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. con espesura arbolada que ofrecía sombra, y alto en estatura, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. de modo que entre las nubes Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. resultaba estar su punta. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  Fueron aguas lo que lo hicieron crecer; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. la profundidad acuosa Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. hizo que se hiciera alto. Con sus Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. arroyos iba todo alrededor de su lugar en que estaba plantado; y sus canales enviaba a todos los árboles del campo. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  Por eso creció a más alta estatura que todos los [demás] árboles del campo. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ”’Y sus ramas mayores siguieron multiplicándose, y sus ramas continuaron alargándose debido a la mucha agua en sus conductos de agua. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  En sus ramas mayores todas las criaturas voladoras de los cielos hicieron sus nidos, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. y bajo sus ramas todas las bestias del campo parieron, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. y en su sombra todas las naciones populosas moraban. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  Y llegó a ser bello en su grandeza, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. en la largura de su follaje, porque su sistema de raíces resultó estar sobre muchas aguas. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  [Otros] cedros no lo igualaban en el jardín de Dios. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. En cuanto a los enebros, no se le parecían respecto a sus ramas mayores. Y los plátanos mismos no resultaban como él en ramas. Ningún [otro] árbol del jardín de Dios se le parecía en su belleza". Observamos algunas similitudes con la visión de Nabucodonosor? Ambos son comparados con árboles altos y poderosos. Ambos alcanzan alturas hasta el cielo, de hecho, las expresiones "llegar a los cielos" o "llegar a las nubes" son equivalentes - comparar Job 22:14; Isaías 14:14; Daniel 7:13 De los dos, podemos ver la gran diferencia con otros árboles. En tanto se dice que todas las criaturas voladoras y todos los animales salvajes encuentran alimento y refugio. Ahora, si aplicamos el principio de que el árbol que "llega a las nubes" debe representar al Reino de Dios, entonces incluso el imperio egipcio debe ser un anti-tipo del Reino. Por desgracia, esta historia no hace ninguna mención de "tiempos" y por lo tanto no se puede contar nada. Si ustedes están pensando que es ridículo comparar el imperio egipcio al Reino de Dios, ¿por qué debería ser aceptable hacerlo con el imperio de Babilonia?   Jehová va a decir "Por lo tanto, esto es lo que ha dicho el Señor Soberano Jehová: ‘Debido a que te elevaste Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. en estatura, de modo que él colocó su punta aun entre las nubes Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. y su corazón llegó a estar ensalzado debido a su altura, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  yo también lo daré en mano del déspota de [las] naciones. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Sin falta actuará contra él. Según su iniquidad ciertamente lo expulsaré " - Ezequiel 31:10, 11 El faraón se exaltó, tal como lo hizo Nabucodonosor, y por esta razón Dios decidió de humillarlo - Mateo 23:12 Nabucodonosor había sólo siete años de locura mientras el imperio del faraón fue asediado. Este verso también hincapié en el hecho de que Dios quita y da "el reino quien El quiere" (y en este caso se dio el reino a Faraón, el "déspota de las naciones"). Ezequiel 31: 12-14 continúa ... “Y extraños, los tiranos de [las] naciones, lo cortarán, y la gente lo abandonará sobre las montañas; y en todos los valles su follaje ciertamente caerá, y sus ramas serán quebradas entre todos los cauces de los arroyos de la tierra. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Y de su sombra todos los pueblos de la tierra bajarán, y lo abandonarán. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  Sobre su tronco caído todas las criaturas voladoras de los cielos residirán, y sobre sus ramas ciertamente llegarán a estar todas las bestias salvajes del campo; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  para que ninguno de los árboles regados se haga alto en su estatura, o ponga su punta hasta entre las nubes, y para que ninguno que bebe agua se ponga de pie contra ellos en su altura, porque ciertamente todos ellos serán dados a la muerte, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. a la tierra allá abajo, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. en medio de los hijos de la humanidad, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. a los que van bajando al hoyo’". También este árbol es cortado y humillado (Jehová hará esto a través del rey de Babilonia). Debido a las muchas similitudes con el reino de Egipto, ¿estamos realmente seguros de que el “árbol llegó a los cielos" se refiere al Reino de Dios?
        Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.   Cuando se trata de 1914, estamos realmente como los bereanos? O estamos "bereanos" sólo cuando hay que refutar las doctrinas de la cristianidad?     Hay otro detalle interesante que debería hacernos reflexionar. La Biblia compara el cielo a los gobiernos, sean estos humanos o celeste. La aplicación de este concepto al árbol que alcanza los cielos y el echo otros árboles no pueden competir con él, significaría simplemente que este árbol tiene un reino sobre otros reinos (más pequeños) y de Babilonia la Grande se dice, en efecto, que "tiene el reino sobre los reyes de la tierra"- Apocalipsis 17:18 El único paralelo legítimo que se puede hacer con Babilonia, sin miedo a tomar cantones, está relacionado con la gran Babilonia, ya que es el paralelismo que hace la Biblia. De hecho todos los imperios mundiales mencionados en las Escrituras han tenido, durante un tiempo, el reino sobre otros reinos. Cyrus afirmó de él mismo ... " Soy Ciro, rey del mundo, gran rey, rey legítimo, rey de Babilonia, rey de Sumer y Akkad, rey de los cuatro finales (de la tierra), hijo de Cambises ( Ka-am Bu-zi-ia ), gran rey, rey de Anshan, nieto de Ciro . . . descendiente de Teispe ,. . . de una familia (que) siempre ha reinado ". ( Ancient Near Eastern Texts, editado por J. Pritchard, 1974, p. 316) Sin duda, la humildad no era una característica apreciada da los persas, incluso los babilonios, pero en realidad el reino tenía poder sobre otros reinos conocidos (asì de ser llamado "rey de los cuatro confines de la tierra") y entonces se podría decir también que su altura había llegada a los cielos y fue visible o conocido hasta los confines de la tierra. En la historia de Ezequiel y en aquella de Daniel no se hace referencia, ninguna, al Reino de Dios, más bien ... ambas cuentas mencionan el juicio de Dios sobre naciones enemigas, orgullosas y violentas. Cualquier cálculo cronológico debería respetar el sujeto y, de hecho, esta parte de la Escritura es muy diferente de lo que se dice acerca de las "setenta semanas" - Daniel 9: 24-27 En el relato de Daniel capítulo 9 se habla claramente del Mesías (ver Daniel 9:25) y no es necesario leer lo que no está escrito. Cualquier persona que quiere ser contencioso podría discutir la fecha de inicio para contar las "semanas" o incluso el método presunta * (un día por un año), pero ciertamente no puede discutir el sujeto de la discusión (el Mesías). Se podría, irónicamente, incluso discutir sobre quién realmente era el Mesías (algo que todavía estàn discutiendo los Judios), pero por supuesto no se puede argumentar que Daniel capítulo 9 habla del Mesías! En lugar Daniel capítulo 4 habla de Nabucodonosor y su reino, mientras toda "la interpretación" del Reino de Dios se basa en cuatro líneas en el libro “Prestar atenciòn a las prophecias de Daniel” que son: "Pero el gran árbol es el dominio que alcanza los confines de la tierra, que abarca todo el reino de la humanidad. Por lo tanto simboliza la soberanía universal de Jehová, particularmente en relación con la tierra. - Daniel 4:17 "(Capítulo 6, página 87 del libro de edición italiana). No parece una declaración muy fuerte con una base muy débil? Tratamos de no hacer decir a Daniel 4:17 lo que en realidad no dice, ya que basta conocer las reglas básicas de la gramática para no distraer del tema. El tema es Nabucodonosor, y Dios hace comprender que, debido al hecho que él se exalta, El habría eliminado su reino y se lo daría a quien él había deseado (tal como lo hizo con el faraón). En la práctica, el que realmente gobierna es El Creador y todos los otros reinos existen los sólo porque Él lo permite - Comparar Romanos 13: 1 Así que no hay razón para creer que el árbol (es decir, uno de los muchos gobiernos que Jehová ha permitido en la historia de la humanidad), representa el reino de Dios. Si alguien quiere sugerir que el hecho que Dios menciona Su dominio es indicativo de que el árbol en sí mismo representa su dominio (y es una acrobacìa de semántica), entonces podemos tomar la historia reportada en 2 Reyes 19:14-19 y hacer lo mismo razonamiento. " Entonces Ezequías tomó las cartas de la mano de los mensajeros y las leyó, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. después de lo cual Ezequías subió a la casa de Jehová y extendió aquello delante de Jehová. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  Y Ezequías se puso a orar Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. delante de Jehová y a decir: “Oh Jehová el Dios de Israel, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. sentado sobre los querubines, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. tú solo eres el Dios [verdadero] de todos los reinos Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. de la tierra. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Tú mismo has hecho los cielos Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. y la tierra. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  Inclina tu oído, oh Jehová, y oye. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Abre tus ojos, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. oh Jehová, y ve, y oye las palabras de Senaquerib que él ha enviado para desafiar con escarnio Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. al Dios vivo. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  Es un hecho, oh Jehová: los reyes de Asiria han devastado las naciones y su tierra. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  Y han entregado sus dioses al fuego, porque no eran dioses, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. sino la hechura de manos de hombre, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. madera y piedra; de modo que los destruyeron. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  Y ahora, oh Jehová nuestro Dios, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. sálvanos, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. por favor, de su mano, para que sepan todos los reinos de la tierra que tú, oh Jehová, eres Dios, tú solo”. Ezequías sabia muy bien que Jehová era "el verdadero Dios de todos los reinos de la tierra" y oró para que Senaquerib se detuvo en su intento de destruir Jerusalén. Sabemos muy bien lo que fue la respuesta de Isaías, de echo esa última parte dice ... "porque tu excitarte contra mí Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. y tu rugido han subido y entrado en mis oídos. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Y ciertamente pondré mi garfio en tu nariz y mi freno entre tus labios, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. y realmente te conduciré de vuelta por el camino por el cual has venido” - 2 Reyes 19:28 Si hacemos el mismo razonamiento hecho por el capítulo 4 de Daniel, entonces podríamos suponer que el reino de Senaquerib era un anti-tipo del reino de Dios porque él también tuvo que aprender (a sus expensas) que Jehová es "el verdadero Dios de toda los reinos de la tierra "o, en otras palabras "gobierna sobre toda la humanidad ". Por desgracia, en esta historia no hay números, días, semanas o meses para ser calculados y por lo tanto no hay razón para leer "venida del reino de Dios", incluso cuando no hace ninguna mención de esto. Es posible que el fuerte deseo de ver cumplidas las profecías ha influido sobre el intendimiento y luego había conducido a leer lo que en realidad no fue escrito? Esto significa que, si realmente queremos ver un segundo cumplimiento de la historia reportada en Daniel capítulo 4, se debe respetar el sujeto descrito, osea Babilonia . Es probable que la historia de Daniel habla simplemente de la humillación de Nabucodonosor y que los "siete tiempos" significan sólo siete años, pero no podemos ser categóricos. En este sentido vale la pena reflexionar sobre el hecho que inclusa la humillación del faraón, descrita en Ezequiel, podría tener un segundo cumplimiento porqué Jehová dice que "sacudirá las naciones" y esto podría ser una referencia a la guerra de Armagedón. Por lo tanto, sin convertirse en fanáticos para una fecha específica, si la historia de Daniel había querido mostrarnos una segunda realización de la profecía, el está en realidad diciendo "Babilonia caerá, permanecerá inactiva durante siete tiempos y luego subirà de nuevo." Esto sólo puede traer a nuestra mente la última mención que la Biblia hace de Babilonia - Revelación 17: 5 Las pistas con respecto a Babilonia la Grande nos llevaron a la moderna nación de Israel asiqué la pregunta que debemos hacernos es ... "A partir de cual año deberíamos empezar a contar 2520 años (es decir, 360 * 7) hasta que vea el avivamiento (si los hay) de Babilonia? " A partir de la historia de Daniel las posibles fechas entre las que se deben contar los siete tiempos son dos: 1) Desde Nabucodonosor tuvo la visión o ha caído en "desgracia" (de hecho, Daniel dice "el árbol eres tu" - Daniel 4: 20-22) 2) A partir de la muerte de Nabucodonosor (si Nabucodonosor representa el reino de Babilonia, su muerte es el momento en el que el árbol es "derribado", pero hay que destacar que no hay ninguna referencia a esto en el cuento de Daniel que, de hecho, dice que el reino habría sido asegurado - Daniel 4:26)   En cuanto a la primera hipótesis es imposible tener una fecha exacta, porque ni la Biblia ni la historia secular nos dicen en qué año Nabucodonosor fue expulsado de su reino. Esto sucedió, por supuesto, después de 597 aC (año en el que Nabucodonosor trae los primeros prisioneros judíos en Babilonia, de acuerdo con la datación secular; hay una diferencia de 20 años con el del cuerpo gobernante que, de hecho, pone el 617 a.C.) y dentro de la 570 aC (osea cuando Nabucodonosor murió en 562 aC - de acuerdo a la fecha secular - si el período de "cautiverio" tiene una duración de siete años, y el reino que se volvió se considerará que ha reinado durante al menos un año, el 570 es el último año útil). Sin embargo, en los primeros cuatro capítulos de Daniel se menciona Daniel, Sadrac, Mesac y Abed-nego, primero como niños (Daniel 1: 3, 4) y luego como hombres fuertes (Daniel 3:12, 27) y todo esto antes de que Nabucodonosor tenga el sueño del árbol . Esto significa que, desde su expulsión hasta el día en que el rey erigió la estatua de oro, pasaron al menos 15 , 20 años. Así que si los Judios han llegado a Babilonia en el 597 aC, pero pasan 20 años antes de la construcción del ídolo de oro y tenendo buena la fecha secular (562 aC), se puede restringir el período comprendido entre 577 aC al 570 aC Obviamente son sólo estimaciones, pero la fecha importante es el límite máximo de tiempo (570 aC) por lo que si la deportación hasta que la construcción de la imagen habían sido 15 años en lugar de 20, la fecha de inicio sería 582 aC, pero la última fecha posible siempre sería 570 aC La reactivación de Babilonia, si de esto está hablando Daniel, se llevaría a cabo entre 1943 d.C. (2520-577) y 1950 d.C. (2520-570). Para reforzar esta hipótesis habría también el hecho de que la historia de su expulsión es la última historia que se sabe de Nabucodonosor. Unos versos más adelante, de hecho, ya no se habla mas de él, sino de Belsasar (Daniel cap. 5). Es razonable concluir, por tanto, que Nabucodonosor tuvo una visión en los últimos años, tal vez durante la última década de su reinado.   La segunda hipótesis se refiere a la muerte de Nabucodonosor y que se produce, según las fuentes seculares, en el 562 aC De acuerdo con el GB debe ser el 582 aC (ver el libro "prestar atención a las profecías de Daniel" capítulo 7, página 99). Contando 2.520 años se llega a 1958 EV en el primer caso y 1938 EV en el segundo caso.   ¿Qué dice la historia reciente? Si, como hemos visto, la gran Babilonia es la nación de Israel, esto vendría a respaldar la primera hipótesis. La primera hipótesis coloca la reactivación de Babilonia entre 1943 y 1950. La "resurrección" de Israel lleva a cabo, de hecho, en mayo de 1948. Conociendo la fijación de los seres humanos para las fechas y los cálculos, sin embargo, es prudente prestar atención a cosas más importantes. Las fechas seculares no pueden ser seguras, porqué la base de las conclusiones y comparaciones siempre seràn más o menos incompletas y, ciertamente, no podemos basar nuestra fe en estas cosas - 2 Corintios 5: 7 ¿Qué pasaría si el 597 AEC, así como 607 o 537 o cualquier otra fecha en la que se ha basado gran parte de la profecía bíblica (sin una verdadera razón para hacerlo) mañana resultará completamente equivocada? Las consecuencias podrían ser muy graves y no sólo desde un punto de vista humano - Amos 3: 1, 2 No tenemos dar por sentado la misericordia de Jehová; debemos ser cautos en nuestras declaraciones. Puesto que no tenemos certeza de lo que los "siete tiempos" representan, no tenemos hacer estas especulaciones. Lo más importante no es quizàs comprender la identidad de Babilonia la Grande? Este es un aspecto crucial de la profecía porque son las pistas que nos guíen en los temas y en los tiempos que estamos viviendo - como señales de tráfico - y no los cálculos - Compare Mateo 24: 32, 33 y 2 Timoteo 3: 1-5 y haces un contraste con Mateo 24:36 No hay ninguna indicación de la hora de la muerte de los dos testigos vestidos de cilicio (véase Revelación cap. 11), pero sabemos que se revelan al final de la guerra. Sabemos que la ciudad llamada "Sodoma y Egipto" es la gran Babilonia, osea Israel, y por lo tanto también sabemos qué país y qué eventos debemos mirar con cuidado . Si la Biblia profetiza el año de su "resurrección" o no, es ciertamente interesante, pero no es esencial para los que creen que la Biblia es realmente la Palabra inspirada de Dios. Fundamental, en todo caso, será "salir de ella", cuando el rei del norte se preparará para destruirla.         * Sin embargo, la Biblia confirma el método de "un día por un año" y también que este era el mismo método utilizado por el pueblo de Dios - Ezequiel 4: 6; Lucas 3:15  
    • By JW Insider
      Why another topic about 1914 and 607?
      Because we could use a topic where we can all agree a little more easily. Seriously. In this topic, we don't need to worry about whether 607 is correct, or 1914 is correct. No one needs to say why it does or doesn't make sense to them. Let's just see if we can review the possible and probable sources that were influential, and ultimately resulted in 607 and 1914 being accepted as a Bible-based fulfillment of prophecy.
      No one needs to jump from another thread about 607 and Biblical evidence over to this one. In fact, I just read a couple of books last night for the first time, and I had some questions that I couldn't find an answer to, and hoped that someone from that other thread, or anyone really, might have run across the resources that might have answered the questions. I'm reading one more book first, and don't think I'll finish it tonight, so consider this topic to be kind of a placeholder for a couple days.
      So this is the purpose of the three current threads:
      https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/topic/5510-607-bce-is-it-biblically-supported/ a place to discuss mostly the Scriptural evidence for or against the 607 portion of the 1914 doctrine. https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/topic/51655-607-bce-is-there-any-secular-support-for-the-watch-towers-view/ a place to discuss mostly the Secular evidence for or against the 607 portion of the 1914 doctrine. And this current one: a place to discuss the sources that were influential in the WTS accepting the 607 date as part of the 1914 doctrine. One place to start is with a couple sentences in the "Proclaimers" book (next post). I personally intend to avoid a certain book by COJ for this topic, to avoid unnecessary controversy, although anyone should feel free to use any resources from anywhere they wish, as long as it appears to be a statement of fact. Again, this is not about questioning the correctness of the doctrine.
    • By JW Insider
      A recent topic about whether the Watchtower view of 607 BCE is SCRIPTURALLY supported is linked below. This new topic should provide a better place to discuss the SECULAR evidence. I also think it would be useful to discuss the methodology that the Watch Tower Society has historically used to treat this evidence.
      I would hope that we can do this without so much side discussions of unrelated topics. To avoid another topic that goes on for 30+ pages where only half of them were on-topic, I would suggest that if we get enough off-topic posts, we merely move them to another more appropriate topic.
      The link to the most recent topic on a similar subject is here:


       
    • By Witness
      This age-old question has been the subject of children, science and everyone in between since its written origin in ancient Greek history. Depending on what source you read today, they think they’ve nailed down the answer; and it appears to go either way.
      Here is an easier question:
      What comes first, birth or birth pains? We know this answer, but when it comes to the arrival of God’s Kingdom, the Watchtower does not.
      From the NWT: In answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads you, for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet. “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. All these things are a BEGINNING OF PANGS OF DISTRESS. “ Matt 24: 4-8
      The Watchtower teaches that God’s Kingdom arrived in 1914 in the heavens. This event is to be interpreted as the beginning of the signs of “pangs of distress”, their choice of translation. Certainly, the world clearly shows distress evident in the wars, famines, pestilences and earthquakes.
      The Greek word for Wt.’s use of “pangs of distress” (ōdin) literally means pains related to child birth – labor pains.
      This truth is found in Watchtower’s Greek Interlinear, reading word for word:
      “All but these (things) beginning of pangs of birth”.
      Why isn’t it read this way when translating the scripture on the same page? The Watchtower would be held responsible for explaining how the birth of God’s Kingdom supposedly arrives before birth pains. “The Kingdom is Born in heaven”, according to the “kr”, chapter 2; yet ironically, it appears to be followed by birth pains.
      From “What Does the Bible Teach?” - “Just as Jesus predicted, his “presence” as heavenly King has been marked by dramatic world developments—war, famine, earthquakes, pestilences. (Matthew 24:3-8; Luke 21:11) Such developments bear powerful testimony to the fact that 1914 indeed marked the BIRTH of God’s Heavenly Kingdom and the BEGINNING of “the last days” (LABOR PAINS!) of this present wicked system of things.—2 Timothy 3:1-5.
      How clever of them to change the “beginning of birth pains” (“pains of distress”) to “the beginning of the last days”!
      Concerning the focusing of our eyes on Satan’s world for signs of the coming Kingdom, it is not Satan’s corrupt world that is in labor, it is the promised New Covenant that gives “birth” to God’s Kingdom. This ‘birthing’ is not complete until the full number of Kingdom heirs are sealed in the heavens; but not before they individually experience spiritual “labor/birth pains”, resulting from Satan’s demand to test each one. John 18:36; 17:16; Rev 12:1-6; Luke 22:31; Mark 13:13; John16: 2; Rev 2:9,10,13,17,7,24,26,28; 6:9,11; 3:5,9,12,21,22 
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      Watchtower 14/1/15 - “Let your Kingdom come”: God’s Kingdom came in 1914 when Jesus was made King in heaven. God’s Kingdom will also come in the future when Jesus destroys the wicked."
      Here is where they have derived their thought:
      “Therefore, you should pray like this:
      Our Father in heaven,
      Your name be honored as holy.
      Your kingdom come.
      Your will be done
      on earth as it is in heaven.
      Give us today our daily bread.
      And forgive us our debts,
      as we also have forgiven our debtors.
      And do not bring us into temptation,
      but deliver us from the evil one.
      For Yours is the kingdom and the power
      and the glory forever. Amen." Matt 6:9-13
      Their comment has taken scripture out of context. Can the Kingdom of God arrive via two births at two different times? Obviously, God’s Kingdom has NOT come IN ANY FORM, as Satan is still here.
       
    • By Israeli Bar Avaddhon
      Everything we read about the "70-Week" prophecy reported in the book "Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy!" (Chapter 11) is worthy of attention and demonstrates how accurate and reliable the word of God is even when pronouncing prophecies very distant in time. The historical accuracy and the numerous Scriptural references that gave weight and authority to the whole speech were also evident. Anyone who approaches the Word of God without preconceptions can not but be struck by this demonstration of power and wisdom on the part of God. The explanation of the 70 weeks is unexceptionable but can be said to be the same as other prophecies? What about those calculations on which many of us have based the hopes of a lifetime and that clashed with the criticism of the majority? We are talking about 1914. Is this also a prophecy of Daniel? Was this also treated with the same marvelous accuracy of the seventy weeks we have just read? Although it may not be easy, we try to be truly objective because understanding or not understanding the prophecy, like the rest of God's Word, can make much difference to our eternal future - John 17: 3; 2 Thessalonians 1: 8   WHAT DID OF 1914?   The book "Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy" on pages 85 to 97 explains in detail the dream of Nebuchadnezzar and the 7-time prophecy asserting that it indicates the coming of the Kingdom of God in 1914. It would therefore be profitable to take the book and compare it with what will be read below. Does Nebuchadnezzar's dream really prophesy the coming of the Kingdom of God in 1914?   THAT'S IT? Let's try to examine what is written in the book without prejudices. At a first reading it seems that Jehovah God wanted to give a lesson of humility to Nebuchadnezzar, which happened. The "seven times", at least for him, were seven years and this is confirmed by the whole story. Reading all this without preconceptions, it does not seem that we should look for other explanations more or less hidden. However, let us take the thesis that "the tree indicates a dominion and a sovereignty much greater than those of the king of Babylon. It symbolizes the universal sovereignty of Jehovah, the King of the heavens, especially with respect to the earth ". This means, first of all, that the Kingdom of God is comparing, in a certain way, to the kingdom of Babylon and this strides with many biblical passages describing Babylon as the greatest enemy of God's people. It also means that the "vigilante" (ie an angel of Jehovah) decides to overthrow the Kingdom of God and this is, to say the least, strange. Some will object that we must not look for similarities in every aspect of the prophecy but also decide which part of the prophecy must have a second fulfillment and which one could be arbitrary enough. After all, we have no other scriptural references to show us which details to focus on and which to leave out. So it is being said that the prophecy of the tree applies entirely to Nebuchadnezzar while only a small part would apply to the Kingdom of God. For the prophecy of the "seventy weeks" we did not need to break the prophecy to try to understand who was applied or if it applied to more than one person because the subject was clear and recognizable from the beginning. On the contrary, all the 7-day prophecy is built on a single verse that is what it says ... "The tree grew and became strong, and its same height finally reached the heavens and was visible to the end of the whole earth" (Daniel 4:11). Meanwhile, the writing says that the tree "becomes visible" to the end of the earth and not that "embraces the end of the earth" and the meaning is very different. The aforementioned book says: "the great tree represents the 'domain that reaches the end of the earth', which embraces the whole realm of mankind. Thus it symbolizes the universal sovereignty of Jehovah, particularly in relation to the earth. - Daniel 4:17 ". "Reaching the end of the earth" means that it extends the domain to the end of the earth while "being visible to the end of the earth" means that it is known, famous. AnyhowÂ… is not it a bit fragile, let's say risky, to build a series of prophecies (all linked together) on this single explanation? Note that the specification "particularly in relation to the earth" is due to the fact that the universal sovereignty of Jehovah is, indeed, universal, for which the tree should have been seen not only in the whole earth but throughout the universe. By specifying, instead, "in relation to the earth", we can exclude the skies from the vision and take the application for good. Anyway, we should ask a question. Is the fact that the tree reaches the heavens or the end of the earth itÂ’s a demonstration or even an indication of the fact that we are talking about the Kingdom of God? We always leave the Bible to enlighten us. Notice what Jehovah told Ezekiel in reference to the Pharaoh. Ezekiel 31: 1-8 says Â… “In the 11th year, in the third month, on the first day of the month, the word of Jehovah again came to me, saying: Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  “Son of man, say to Phar?aoh king of Egypt and to his hordes, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ‘Whom are you like in your greatness?   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  There was an As·syr?i·an, a cedar in Leb?a·non,With beautiful branches like a shady thicket, lofty in stature;Its top was among the clouds.   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  The waters made it grow big, the deep springs of water caused it to grow high. Streams were all around where it was planted;Their channels watered all the trees of the field.   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  That is why it grew taller than all the other trees of the field. Its boughs multiplied, and its branches grew longBecause of the abundant water in its streams.   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  All the birds of the sky nested in its boughs,All the wild animals of the field gave birth under its branches,And all the populous nations were dwelling in its shade.   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  It became majestic in beauty and in the length of its branches,For its roots went down into abundant waters.   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  No other cedars in the garden of God Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. could compare to it. None of the juniper trees had boughs like it,And none of the plane trees could match its branches. No other tree in the garden of God could rival its beauty”. Do we note some similarities with the vision of Nebuchadnezzar? Both are compared to tall and mighty trees. Both reach high heights, up to the sky in fact the expressions "reach the heavens" or "reach the clouds" are equivalent - Compare Job 22:14; Isaiah 14:14; Daniel 7:13 Of both we notice the big difference with the other trees. Of both it is said that all the flying creatures and all the wild beasts find food and shelter. Now if we apply the principle that the tree that "reaches the clouds" must represent the Kingdom of God, then even the Egyptian empire should be an antitype of the Kingdom. Unfortunately, however, in this story there is no mention of the "times" and consequently it is not possible to count anything. If you think it's ridiculous that the Egyptian empire will represent the Kingdom of God, why should it be acceptable to the Babylonian empire? Jehovah goes on to say ““Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘Because it Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. became so tall, lifting its top among the clouds, and its heart became arrogant because of its height, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  I will hand it over to the mighty ruler of the nations. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. He will surely act against it, and I will reject it for its wickedness”. The Pharaoh was exalted, just as Nebuchadnezzar did, and for this reason God decided to humiliate him - Matthew 23:12 Nebuchadnezzar escaped with seven years of madness while Pharaoh's empire was besieged. Also this verse remarks the fact that God takes away and gives "the kingdom to whom he wills" (and in this case He gave the kingdom of Pharaoh to the "despot of nations"). Ezekiel 31: 12-14 continues Â… “And foreigners, the most ruthless of the nations, will cut it down, and they will abandon it on the mountains, and its foliage will fall in all the valleys, and its branches will lie broken in all the streams of the land. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. All the peoples of the earth will depart from its shade and abandon it. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  All the birds of the sky will live on its fallen trunk, and all the wild animals of the field on its branches. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  This is so that no tree near the waters should grow so tall or lift up its top among the clouds and that no well-watered tree may reach up to them in height. For they will all be given over to death, to the land down below, along with the sons of mankind, who are going down into the pit.Â’. Even this tree is cut down and humiliated (Jehovah will do this through the king of Babylon). Because of the many similarities with the kingdom of Egypt, are we really certain that the tree that "reached the heavens" refers to the Kingdom of God?   When we talk about 1914, are we really like the Bereans? Or are we "Bereans" only when we have to refute the doctrines of Christianity?   There is another interesting detail that should make us reflect. The Bible compares the heavens to governments, be they human or celestial. Applying this concept to the tree that reaches the heavens and whose other trees do not stand comparison with it, it would simply mean that this tree has the kingdom over the other (smaller) kingdoms and of Babylon the Great is said to have " the kingdom over the kings of the earth "- Revelation 17:18 The only legitimate parallel that you can do with Babylon, without fear of taking corners, is related to Babylon the Great because it is the parallelism that makes the Bible. Indeed, all the world empires mentioned in the Scriptures had, for a time, the kingdom over the other kingdoms. Cyrus, in fact, said of himself ... "I am Cyrus, king of the world, great king, legitimate king, king of Babylon, king of Sumer and Akkad, king of the four extremities (of the earth), son of Cambyses (Ka-am -bu-zi-ia), great king, king of Anzan, nephew of Cyrus ,. . . descendant of Teispe,. . . of a family (that) has always reigned ". (Ancient Near Eastern Texts, edited by J. B. Pritchard, 1974, p.37). Undoubtedly humility was not a characteristic appreciated by the Persians as well as by the Babylonians but in fact the kingdom had power over the other known kingdoms (so to be called "king of the four ends of the earth") and so it could be said that its height had reached the heavens and was visible or known to the ends of the earth. In the story of Ezekiel and in that of Daniel there is no reference, just anyone, to the Kingdom of God, on the contrary ... both accounts mention a judgment from God on enemy nations, proud and violent. Any chronological calculation should respect the subject in being and in fact this part of the Scripture is very different from what is said about the "seventy weeks" - Daniel 9: 24-27 In the account of Daniel chapter 9, one speaks clearly of the Messiah (see Daniel 9:25) and it is not necessary to read what is not written. Anyone who wanted to be polemical could discuss the start date from which to count the "weeks" or even the adduct method * (one day for a year) but certainly we can not discuss the subject in existence (the Messiah). It could also be absurd to discuss who the Messiah really was (which Jews are still discussing) but certainly we can not argue that Daniel chapter 9 speaks of the arrival of the Messiah! Instead, Daniel chapter 4 speaks of Nebuchadnezzar and his kingdom, while all the "understanding" concerning the Kingdom of God is built on four lines in the book "Pay attention to Daniel's prophecies!" That read: "But the great tree represents the domain that reaches the end of the earth, which embraces the entire kingdom of mankind. Thus it symbolizes the universal sovereignty of Jehovah, particularly in relation to the earth. - Daniel 4:17 "(chapter 6, page 87 of the Italian edition of the book). Does not this seem like a very firm statement with a very weak base? Let us try not to tell Daniel 4:17 what he does not really say because it is enough to know the basic rules of grammar so as not to be distracted by the subject. The subject is Nebuchadnezzar and God makes him understand that, because of the fact that he is exalted, he would have taken away his kingdom and given it to whoever He had wanted (exactly as He did to Pharaoh). In practice the one who really rules is the Creator and the other kingdoms exist only because He allows it - Compare Romans 13: 1 So there is no reason to believe that the tree (that is, one of the many governments that Jehovah has permitted in the history of mankind), actually represents the Kingdom of God. If someone wants to imply that the fact that God mentions His dominion is indicative that the tree itself represents His dominion (and is an incredible semantic acrobatics) then we can take the story reported in 2 Kings 19: 14-19 and do it same reasoning. “Hez·e·ki?ah took the letters out of the hand of the messengers and read them. Hez·e·ki?ah then went up to the house of Jehovah and spread them Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. out before Jehovah. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  And Hez·e·ki?ah began to pray Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. before Jehovah and say: “O Jehovah the God of Israel, sitting enthroned above Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. the cherubs, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. you alone are the true God of all the kingdoms of the earth. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. You made the heavens and the earth. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  Incline your ear, O Jehovah, and hear! Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Open your eyes, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. O Jehovah, and see! Hear the words that Sen·nach?er·ib has sent to taunt the living God. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  It is a fact, O Jehovah, that the kings of As·syr?i·a have devastated the nations and their lands. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  And they have thrown their gods into the fire, because they were not gods Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. but the work of human hands, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. wood and stone. That is why they could destroy them. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  But now, O Jehovah our God, please save us out of his hand, so that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that you alone are God, O Jehovah.” Hezekiah knew very well that Jehovah was "the true God of all the kingdoms of the earth" and he prayed that Sennacherib would be stopped in his intent to destroy Jerusalem. We know very well what was the answer of Isaiah which last part reads Â… “Because your rage against me Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. and your roaring have reached my ears. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. So I will put my hook in your nose and my bridle Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. between your lips,And I will lead you back the way you came.” - 2 Kings 19:28 If we did the same reasoning as for chapter 4 of Daniel, then we might suppose that the "reign of Sennacherib" was also an antitype of the kingdom of God because he too had to learn (at his own expense) that Jehovah is "the true God of all. the kingdoms of the earth "or, in other words, "dominates over all mankind ". Unfortunately, even in this story there are no numbers, days, weeks or months to be calculated and therefore no reason to read "the coming of the kingdom of God" even where no mention is made of it. Is it possible that the strong desire to see the prophecies fulfill has influenced the intention and therefore pushed to read what was not actually written? This means that if you really want to see a second fulfillment of the story reported in Daniel chapter 4, you should respect the subject in being and that is Babylon. It is likely that the story of Daniel is simply telling the humiliation of Nebuchadnezzar and that the "seven times" mean only seven years but we can not be categorical. In this regard it is useful to reflect on the fact that even the humiliation of the Pharaoh, reported in Ezekiel, could have a second fulfillment as Jehovah says that he will "shake the nations" and this could be a reference to the Armageddon war.   So, without fixing ourselves too much with a specific date, in case the story of Daniel wanted to show us a second fulfillment of the prophecy, the report is actually saying: "Babylon will fall, will remain inactive for seven times and then rise again". This can only bring our mind back to the last mention that the Bible makes of Babylon - Revelation 17:5 The clues about Babylon the Great brought us to the nation of Israel so the question we should ask ourselves is ... "From what year we should start counting the 2520 years (ie 360 * 7) until we see the rebirth (if any) of Babylon? " From the story of Daniel the possible dates from which to count the seven times are two: 1) Since Nebuchadnezzar has had the vision or has fallen into "misfortune" (in fact, Daniel says "the tree is you" - Daniel 4: 20-22) 2) From the death of Nebuchadnezzar (if Nebuchadnezzar represents the kingdom of Babylon, his death is the moment when the tree is "knocked down" but it is to be noted that there is no reference to this in the narration of Daniel who, indeed, he says that the kingdom would be assured - Daniel 4:26) As far as the first hypothesis is concerned, it is impossible to have an accurate date because neither the Bible nor the secular history tells us in which year Nebuchadnezzar was expelled from his kingdom. This happened, obviously, after 597 a.E.V. (year in which Nebuchadnezzar brings the first Jewish prisoners to Babylon according to the secular date, there is a difference of 20 years with that of the slave who, in fact, puts 617 a.E.V.) and within 570 a.E.V. (if Nebuchadnezzar dies in 562 BCE - always according to the secular date - and the period of "captivity" lasts 7 years and the kingdom is returned to him presumed to have reigned for at least a year, 570 is the last useful year) . However in the first four chapters of Daniel we mention Daniel, Sadrac, Mesac and Abednego first as children (Daniel 1: 3, 4) and later as robust men (Daniel 3:12, 27) and all this before Nebuchadnezzar has the famous dream tree. This means that, from their deportation until the day when the king erected the image of gold, at least 15, 20 years passed. So if the Jews came to Babylon in 597 a.E.V. but they pass 20 years before the construction of the golden idol and having taken for good the secular date (562 a.E.V) it is possible to restrict the period from 577 a.E.V. up to 570 a.E.V. Obviously they are only estimates but the important date is the maximum time limit (570 a.E.V) so if from the deportation until the construction of the image had passed 15 years instead of 20, the starting date would be 582 a.E.V. but the last possible useful date would always be 570 a.E.V. The eventual rebirth of Babylon, if Daniel is talking about this, would have happened between 1943 E.V. (2520-577) and 1950 E.V. (2520-570). To reinforce this hypothesis there would also be the fact that the narration of his expulsion is the last story reported to Nebuchadnezzar. Few verses later, in fact, we no longer speak of him but of Baldassarre (Daniel chapter 5). It is reasonable to conclude, therefore, that Nebuchadnezzar had the vision in the last years, perhaps during the last decade of his reign.   The second hypothesis concerns the death of Nebuchadnezzar, which takes place, according to the secular sources, in 562 a.E.V. According to the slave, in 582 a.E.V. (see the book "Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy" chapter 7, page 99). Counting 2520 years we arrive at 1958 E.V. in the first case and to 1938 E.V. in the second case.   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. "Babylon will fall, remain inactive for seven times and then rise again"   What does recent history tell us? If, as we have seen, Babylon the Great is the nation of Israel, this would corroborate the first hypothesis. The first hypothesis places the rebirth of Babylon between 1943 and 1950. Indeed, the "resurrection" of Israel took place in May 1948.   Knowing the fixation of human beings for dates and calculations, however, it is prudent to pay attention to the most important things. The secular dates can not be secure, based on findings and comparisons more or less incomplete, and certainly we can not base our faith on this - 2 Corinthians 5: 7 What would happen if the 597 a.E.V., as well as 607 or 537 or any other date on which we based much of the biblical prophecies (without there being a real reason for doing so) tomorrow proved to be completely wrong? The consequences could be very serious and not just from a human point of view - Amos 3: 1, 2 We must not take Jehovah's mercy for granted, so we must be cautious in our statements. Since we have no certainty that the "seven times" do not simply represent seven years, we should not lose ourselves in these speculations. Is not the most important thing to understand the identity of Babylon the Great? Those who have truly studied the Bible without preconceptions have understood that Babylon the Great is indeed Israel and this has understood it regardless of dates and calculations. This is a crucial aspect of prophecy because it is the clues that guide us in the subjects and times in which we are living, such as road signs, and not the calculations - Compare Matthew 24:32, 33 and 2 Timothy 3: 1-5 and do a contrast with Matthew 24:36 There is no temporal indication for the killing of the two clothed witnesses (see Revelation chapter 11) but we know that they are revealed at the end of the war. We know that the city called "Sodom and Egypt" is Babylon the Great, hence Israel, and as a result we also know which nation and events to watch carefully. That the Bible actually prophesises the year of his "resurrection" or not, is certainly interesting but not fundamental for those who believe that it is indeed the inspired Word of God. Fundamental, if anything, will be "get out of it" when the UN prepares to destroy it.   * However the Bible confirms the "one day for a year" method and also that this was the same method used by God's people - Ezekiel 4: 6; Luke 3:15 ** The Bible allows us to be "fully competent" then all the speeches made on 607 a.E.V. pro and contra, they are absolutely useless. Nebuchadnezzar's dream, as we have seen, has nothing to do with the Kingdom of God    
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      Así mismo también, ustedes, cuando vean todas estas cosas, sepan que él está cerca, a las puertas. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. En verdad les digo que de ningún modo pasará esta generación Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. hasta que sucedan todas estas cosas – Mateo 24:33, 34  
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      ¿A qué generación se refirió el Señor cuando dijo las palabras de arriba? Responder esta pregunta, que se ha vuelto casi obsesivo en los últimos años, es ciertamente importante porque es parte de esas profecías que podrían cambiar, y mucho, nuestra situación y nuestro punto de vista. Es cierto que, a este respecto, los ríos de palabras se han desperdiciado y, en la mayoría de los casos, se ha dicho más de lo necesario. Hasta el punto de que hoy existe incluso cierta vergüenza al tener que examinar esta parte de la Palabra de Dios. Vergüenza de que no tenemos con otras escrituras. Hoy, frente a una persona que nos pide explicaciones sobre esta afirmación del Señor, debemos poner nuestra mano en una explicación abstrusa de una "generación múltiple" fantasma ... osea hablar de grupos de personas (y períodos) que se reúnen con otros grupos de personas ... Y este ni siquiera sería el mayor problema si no fuera que esta es solo otra versión / modificación del significado de "generación" (y de lo que hemos enseñado en el pasado). Hemos llegado a tal situación que, es inútil negarlo, parece ser casi culpa del Señor por no ser más preciso. Tal vez sea más fácil para alguien pensar que el Señor fue deliberadamente enigmático en lugar de volver a discutir el año inicial de esa generación. Sin embargo, si leemos solo lo que está escrito, parece un discurso simple y directo. La generación que habría visto el comienzo de la guerra y otros aspectos del signo no habría pasado en absoluto. Si por error leemos solo lo que está escrito, sería evidente que esa "generación" no puede ser la de 1914 cualquier extensión que quisiéramos atacar.   Sin esta premisa, sin embargo, las palabras del Señor permanecen y al ser parte de la Palabra de Dios debemos examinarlas sin prejuicios, olvidando nuestro pasado. La pregunta, después de todo, es muy simple. ¿Qué período de tiempo habría abrazado la señal que los cristianos reconocerían y por qué deberían "levantar la cabeza"? - Lucas 21:28 Como hemos visto en el estudio del libro Apocalipsis, después de las advertencias a las siete congregaciones y la apertura de los siete sellos, en el capítulo ocho comienzan las explosiones de trompetas. Estas explosiones de trompetas son mensajes de juicio y juicios verdaderos contra el mundo de Satanás.   En el capítulo nueve de Apocalipsis hablamos de las últimas tres trompetas que son diferentes de las anteriores porque incluyen los "ay" declarados por el águila. Entendemos que entre estos ay hay guerra, de hecho los caballos o los dos ejércitos de caballería representan la guerra. Vamos a detenernos por un momento. El Señor, en su descripción de los últimos días, mencionó la guerra como una de esas cosas que sus seguidores podían ver y entender. Entonces él habla de la tribulación y la persecución, etc. La guerra descrita en Apocalipsis es la referida por Jesús? Realmente parece así porque estos eventos nos llevan a los capítulos once, doce y trece del escenario de Apocalipsis. Lo que sea que haya sucedido antes, o la interpretación que quieras dar a estos ejércitos de caballería, el hecho es que desde el capítulo trece en adelante está claro que solo hay un poder dominante - Apocalipsis 13: 2 Para haber permanecido solo un poder (entre otras cosas, herido hasta la muerte), algo debe haber sucedido en los capítulos anteriores, ¿no es así? Si comparamos esto con Daniel 11:40, entendemos que ese "algo" tiene que ver con la guerra: lo único que podría justificar la desaparición del rey antagonista y una sola bestia a la que Satanás le da todo su dominio, trono y las autoridades. Entonces podemos suponer que cuando Cristo dijo que escucharían de guerras y noticias de guerras, refiriéndose a los últimos días, se refería a esta gran guerra. No sabemos cuándo esta guerra estallará ni cuánto tiempo hubiera durado, pero comparando otras escrituras relacionadas con este período de tiempo, siempre en el libro de Daniel, podemos entender los límites de esta generación. En el capítulo ocho de Daniel, hemos visto que el "cuerno pequeño" que se habría vuelto muy grande no puede ser más que el rey del norte, que habría hecho caer a tres reyes.   Entre otras cosas, antes de la batalla con su enemigo histórico, este rey suprimiría gradualmente el sacrificio continuo. Como se especifica en un artículo anterior, no podemos saber si lo que sucedió el 20 de abril en Rusia es en realidad el evento descrito en Daniel. Podría revelarse una burbuja de jabón y, por lo tanto, la supresión del sacrificio continuo podría "posponerse" a otra fecha, tal vez en un año, entre cinco, entre diez ... Hasta que lo veamos, no lo sabremos. Esto hace que sea imposible, al menos por ahora, establecer la fecha de inicio de la generación a la que se refirió el Señor, pero es absolutamente independiente al establecer la duración de la generación a la que se refiere. Sabemos que cuando el rey del norte comience a suprimir el sacrificio constante hasta que el templo se purifique (lo que significa que Jehová permite que esta guerra también purifique a su pueblo), pasarán las 2300 tardes y mañanas. Esto significa un poco más de seis años. Al final (o en medio del) de este período comenzarán a predicar a los dos testigos vestidos (Apocalipsis 11: 1, 2) que harán esto por 1260 días, o sea, aproximadamente tres años y medio. Desde que llegamos a la "condición correcta" del Templo, un evento descrito en el capítulo 11 de Apocalipsis y luego siguiendo las primeras seis trompetas, sabemos que la guerra entre el norte y el sur debe entrar en este período. Poco después del asesinato de los dos testigos y su resurrección, "la guerra estalla en el cielo", que, como hemos visto al comparar Apocalipsis con Daniel 12:11, durará treinta días o menos. Entonces aparece el falso profeta, que pisoteará al pueblo de Dios por cuarenta y dos meses. Entonces, desde la predicación de los dos testigos hasta la destrucción del falso profeta, pasan cerca de siete años. Si agregamos, a estas, las 2300 tardes y mañanas previas, o poco más de seis años, aquí tenemos toda la generación que habría visto los signos del fin del sistema de cosas y que "no habría pasado para nada". Desde el comienzo de la Revelación hasta el estallido de la guerra de Armagedón, pasan alrededor de 13/14 años. ¿No parece decididamente más lógico llevar estos 14 años en una sola generación y decir "no pasará para nada"? No necesitamos forzar el significado de la palabra generación, preguntarnos qué quiere decir realmente el Señor, preguntar cuánto puede durar una generación, si hay más de un centenar todavía vivo o cuántos significados puede tener la palabra "generación" en griego. etc etc ... Entendiendo que los eventos descritos en Mateo como en otros libros bíblicos ocurrirían durante 13/14 años (puede ser menos, como veremos en un articulo futuro per no mas) entonces simplemente podemos leer lo que está escrito. Tratamos? "Entonces tú también, cuando ves todas estas cosas, sabes que él está cerca, en las puertas, realmente te digo que esta generación no pasará en absoluto hasta que todas estas cosas hayan sucedido" - Mateo 24:33, 34
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      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ¿Logramos a identificar las cosas más importantes?   Estudiando la Palabra de Dios puede pasar de enfrentar las propias convicciones. Algunas de estas están tan arraigadas y se consideran asì importantes que ponerlas en tela de juicio puede ser un verdadero desafío. También debemos ser honestos y darnos cuenta de que hay cosas más importantes y otras menos importantes. Si hay doctrinas primarias, es evidente que hay también las segundarias. Algunas cosas simplemente pueden ser "mejoras", mientras que otras son verdaderos cambios. Y luego están aquellas cosas que se consideran doctrinas primarias solo en nuestra cabeza. El 1914 ha sido ridículamente elevado a doctrina primaria, pero no lo es en absoluto y nunca lo fue independientemente de que haya sida correcta. ¿Cómo podemos decirlo? El cristiano debe mantener vivo el sentido de urgencia (Apocalipsis 16:15) y mantenerse separado de este mundo. No hay límite de tiempo, no hay ninguna fecha de caducidad en esto - Mateo 24:13 Si la Biblia hubiera indicado 1914, 1934, 1984 o 2017 ... ¿habría afectado estas verdades? ¿Habría dicho él ... "Tienes que empezar a estar alerta desde 1984 en adelante"? ¿O habría dicho: "Debes mantenerte intachable del mundo solo a partir de esta fecha"? Y cualquier fecha, además, afecta nuestra relación con él? Si lo hace, ciertamente no lo hace de manera positiva. Si hubiera vivido en 1800 y hubiera escuchado que la presencia de Cristo habría comenzado no antes de 1914, probablemente me habría relajado hasta el último momento (los seres humanos somos egoístas y calculadores) *. Por el contrario podría empezar hacer el "pionere" sólo para evitar un posible castigo sabiendo que "desde un cierto punto en adelante," comenzó su inspección. Lo hemos elevado a una doctrina primaria, tanto que solo pensar en volver a discutirla nos cataloga inmediatamente como apóstatas, porque en esta fecha se ha enfocado una buena parte de la credibilidad de la organización y, también en esta fecha, otras fechas y profecías han sido "pegadas" (como 1918 y 1919 debe ser, secuencialmente, la fecha del final de la "guerra en el cielo", la fecha del comienzo de la resurrección espiritual y otras cosas). Intentemos hacer una distinción. Lo que es importante para nosotros no es necesariamente para Jehová Dios - Salmo 55: 8, 9 Seguramente más importante que "1914" es aquel relativo a Babilonia la Grande porque identificar correctamente a la inmensa prostituta puede hacer (y hará) la diferencia entre la vida y la muerte - compárese con Apocalipsis 18: 4. No entender 1914 (si alguna vez se había correcto) pero permanecendo aún vigilante, inmaculado y activo en la predicaciòn, no marcaría la diferencia - Mateo 25:22, 23 Si estuviéramos "escandalizados" por el artículo de cronología, tal vez deberíamos simplemente cambiar la mentalidad. La verdad de la Palabra de Dios debe tener prioridad sobre todas nuestras convicciones, incluso las más arraigadas - Juan 17:17; Hebreos 4:12 Por supuesto, debe haber sido impactante para el pueblo judío enterarse de que ya no eran la raza elegida por Dios y que no habían entendido o dado importancia a algunas verdades fundamentales. Le habían dado al Templo una importancia exagerada (pensando que los protegería como una especie de amuleto) pero no entendían ciertos aspectos fundamentales de la venida del Mesías. Esta "secta" llamada cristianos tuvo que ser muy molesta. Los mismos cristianos de origen judío se enfrentaron a un desafío cuando vieron que Dios aceptaba personas de otras naciones. Sin embargo, gracias a la bondad inmerecida de Dios, las congregaciones aumentaron en número y se hicieron firmes en la fe. Fundamental siempre fue la misma cosa: el amor a la Palabra de Dios - Juan 8:31, 32 Pronto habrá otro artículo que tocará (esta vez, realmente) una doctrina primaria. ¿Seremos lo suficientemente honestos para cuestionarnos? Con la Palabra de Dios en la mano ... ¿nos tomaremos la molestia de leer las Escrituras enumeradas y meditar sobre ellas? Esto demostrará si realmente amamos la Palabra de Dios por encima de nuestra posición y cualquier otra cosa - Salmo 119: 165   * Sin embargo, en aquellos días se pensó que el Armagedón iba a estallar en 1914, mientras que paurusia había empezado antes.
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      Los capítulos 19 y 20 de Apocalipsis revelarán algunos detalles significativos sobre la guerra de Armagedón y lo que sucederá a continuación. Estos detalles incluirán dos cambios importantes en la comprensión actual y, tal como sucedió con la identidad de Babilonia la Grande, este "cambio de visión" será un verdadero obstáculo para muchos testigos de Jehová. Estos capítulos serán examinados en el próximo artículo pero, frente a un cambio de entendimiento tan serio para otros dos temas, se decidió tratarlos por separado a la luz de toda la Escritura. Antes que nada debemos darnos cuenta de que la Revelación habla de la resurrección al final del milenio, y no durante el milenio. Esto se tratará en detalle a su debido tiempo. Por el momento ... acepte esta posibilidad solo para que el tema de este artículo sea comprensible, lo que debe responder a la pregunta, de hecho, "¿qué países realmente desaparecen en el Armagedón?". Está claro que aquí volvemos al "problema" usual si el libro fue escrito en orden cronológico o no, pero mientras tanto vimos que los 7 sellos son secuenciales, las 7 trompetas deben ser secuenciales (el apóstol Pablo llama a la séptima trompeta "la última trompeta") y también las siete copas de la ira de Dios. Si todo esto es secuencial ... ¿es consistente pensar que solo los últimos capítulos no lo son? Tratemos de leer todo el capítulo 20 de Apocalipsis y seguir el orden de los eventos. Satanás es disuelto de su prisión, luego engaña a las naciones que están en los rincones de la tierra, estos rodean el campamento de los santos y luego son matados por el fuego que desciende del cielo. Después de este evento, la muerte y el ades devuelven a los muertos que están en ellos - Apocalipsis 20: 11-13 Vamos a profundizar en estos versículos más adelante, pero ahora centrémonos en estos "rebeldes" que atacan al pueblo de Dios. ¿Quiénes son y de dónde vienen? Ahora bien, luego que hayan terminado los mil años, Satanás será soltado de su prisión, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  y saldrá a extraviar a aquellas naciones que están en los cuatro ángulos Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. de la tierra, a Gog y a Magog, para reunirlos para la guerra. El número de estos es como la arena del mar. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  Y avanzaron sobre la anchura de la tierra y rodearon el campamento Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. de los santos Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. y la ciudad amada. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Pero descendió fuego del cielo, y los devoró. Hello guest! 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Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. y serán atormentados día y noche para siempre jamás – Apocalipsis 20:7-10   Al final de mil años, Satanás se disuelve para "confundir a las naciones que están en los cuatro rincones de la tierra" y los reúne para la guerra. ¡Parece realmente increíble que algo así suceda! ¿Es posible que en el nuevo mundo la gente todavía se organice en naciones políticas, que cree divisiones y que incluso ataque a esa parte de las personas que permanecieron fieles? Este es el primer caso y es más o menos la comprensión actual. Antes de pensar que es una tontería ... ¿es posible hipotetizar que durante la guerra de Armageddon una parte de la tierra se salva también para permitir la supervivencia del pueblo de Dios? En varias partes de la Biblia se dice que durante el tiempo del juicio su pueblo fiel escapa a la búsqueda de refugio para Edom, Moab y Amón (que por cierto también son las ciudades salvadas de la guerra mundial) - Compare por ejemplo Daniel 11:41 con Isaías 16: 4; Salmos 108: 8-10 con Jeremías 40: 10, 11 Estas tres naciones (Edom, Moab y Ammon) eran montañosas y esto recuerda las palabras que Jesús habló a sus discípulos: Mateo 24: 15, 16. ¿Puede ser que las Escrituras advierten a todos los cristianos en el mundo que huyan a las montañas más cercanas tan pronto como vean algo repugnante sobre Israel? De hecho, si la destrucción de Babilonia la Grande dio lugar al Armagedón (como hemos visto) y no a la gran tribulación, "huir de las montañas" significaría que Jehová salvaría estas montañas por la fuerza de las cosas. De hecho, estas "montañas" podrían ser una localidad específica de la tierra donde Jehová conducirá a su pueblo justo antes del Armagedón Esta o estas ubicaciones serían "preservadas por juicio". No sería la primera vez que Jehová, en su amor y misericordia, evita destruir a ciertas personas a causa de sus siervos. Según el relato de Génesis 19:21, 22, los ángeles de Jehová evitan destruir a Zoar por considerar a Lot, y sin embargo, de lo que se entiende al leer toda la historia, esa "pequeña ciudad" era parte de Sodoma o Gomorra y por lo tanto tenía que ser destruida. La guerra de Armagedón en realidad destruye el sistema satánico compuesto por la bestia salvaje, el falso profeta y sus seguidores. Todas las naciones que son compactas en la lucha contra el Cordero también caen. La gran mayoría de las personas muere en esta guerra porque está cegada y marcada por la bestia salvaje, pero ¿morirán todos aquellos que no son cristianos? A la congregación de Filadelfia se le dice que "se preservará con la prueba que debe realizarse en toda la tierra habitada" y que esto se puede hacer al menos con la hipótesis de que algunos cristianos encuentran refugio en una "zona libre" - Apocalipsis 3:10 Si podemos hipotetizar esto, entonces las naciones que al final del milenio deciden atacar al pueblo de Dios podrían nacer de estas cepas sobrevivientes. ¿Por qué, de hecho, harías una distinción entre ellos y "el campo de los santos"? ¿No son sagrados todos los habitantes del nuevo mundo? En el nuevo mundo, ¿habrá un "campo de santos" y un "campo de no santos"? Otra confirmación podría venir de la misma protección de Jerusalén arriba; se dice que "vuela en el desierto" lejos de la cara de la serpiente. Cuando Satanás intenta hacerla ahogar "la tierra viene en su ayuda" y esto significa que al menos hasta el último momento del juicio divino todavía hay una parte "estable" del mundo - Apocalipsis 12:15 Esto también podría explicar por qué la resurrección no tiene lugar durante este milenio; simplemente porque todavía no es el nuevo mundo que imaginamos, incluso si ya será un mundo nuevo y ya tendrás muchas razones para ser feliz. Probablemente deberíamos hacer una distinción entre el "reinado milenario" (que traerá muchas bendiciones a la humanidad fiel) y el "nuevo mundo" que comenzará después de la resurrección, en el momento en que Cristo devuelva el reino a su Dios y Padre. Este período podría ser simplemente un período de transición durante el cual los seres humanos pueden vivir en paz sin la influencia de Satanás y bajo la guía de la enseñanza divina para todos aquellos que desean obedecer. De hecho, una de las preguntas que planteó Satanás en el Jardín del Edén fue precisamente si el hombre era capaz de gobernarse a sí mismo, pero el hombre, con la interferencia de Satanás, nunca gobernó realmente solo - Juan 14:30 Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ¿Puede el hombre dirigir sus pasos sin Dios y sin Satanás?  También a esto debemos responder   Esto está relacionado con las palabras de Apocalipsis 20: 3; Satanás es atado "no tan desorienta las naciones" y esto es necesario por dar definitivamente respuesta a la cuestión planteada en el Edén. Sin embargo, si todas las naciones fueron destruidas en Armagedón ... ¿cómo podría desorientarlas? ¿Tendría sentido decir que Satanás está enlazado por no desviar las naciones que ya no existen? Las posibles naciones en las cuatro esquinas de la tierra, nacidas de estas personas, podrían mostrar si el hombre es realmente capaz de gobernarse a sí mismo en condiciones favorables, es decir, sin la influencia de Satanás. Después de esta última rebelión humana, que habrá demostrado conscientemente que prefieren el gobierno de Satanás al de Jehová, tanto Satanás como la humanidad desobediente serán eliminados para siempre. Solo después de la resurrección de los muertos y después de su juicio, "la muerte y Ades serán arrojados al lago de fuego" y, por lo tanto, debemos suponer que, a lo largo del milenio, a pesar de tener condiciones favorables, continuaremos envejeciendo y muriendo? Es impensable porque los gobernantes ungidos cumplirán sus funciones sacerdotales al expiar el pecado de la humanidad y así evitar la muerte de sus súbditos. La muerte que, sin embargo, siempre estará al acecho y no será eliminada permanentemente hasta el final del milenio. Será "el último enemigo" que se eliminará de hecho, si al final del milenio todavía habrá "enemigos a eliminar" (las naciones que rodean el campo sagrado), esto debería demostrar que la resurrección, y por lo tanto la eliminación definitiva de muerte, sucederá solo después de ese evento - I Corintios 15:26 En este sentido, la escritura de 1 Corintios 15:24, 25, si se lee con cuidado, parece especificar el orden de los eventos, es decir, Jesucristo entregará el Reino a su Dios y Padre cuando haya reducido a nada "todos los gobiernos y todas las autoridades y todos los poderes". Obviamente si cada gobierno y cada autoridad y poder se redujeron a nada durante la guerra de Armagedón, Él (Jesucristo) debería liberar al gobierno en ese mismo momento, es decir, cuando acababa de tomar el poder. Volvamos a leer estas últimas seis líneas e intentemos entender su significado incluso si "este sentido" sale descaradamente contra nuestras convicciones más arraigadas. El versículo 25 dice ... "Porque él debe reinar hasta que [Dios] haya puesto a todos los enemigos debajo de sus pies". Esto parece significar que todavía habrá enemigos durante el reinado milenario. Así que el Reino gobernado por Cristo será una provisión temporal para la alabanza de Jehová para devolver a la humanidad a la perfección y esto también puede incluir la destrucción de los últimos gobiernos, autoridades y poderes, que al final se negarán a someterse - Apocalipsis 20: 8   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ¿Quién rodeará realmente el "campo de los santos"?   En Ezequiel capítulo 38 versos que van de 8 en adelante, se dice que van a prestar atención a Gog Magog después de "muchos días" y luego sugiere que habían quedado fuera de que no se tiene en cuenta o se guardan durante el juicio. ¿No parece una contradicción que Gog of Magog exista al final del sistema satánico de las cosas y exista de nuevo en el nuevo mundo al final del milenio? Te hace pensar que esta "coalición de naciones" siempre tiene el mismo nombre y de hecho, en la descripción de Ezequiel, el sujeto no cambia en absoluto? Si Gog de Magog es una coalición de naciones, ¿no parece extraño que las naciones se formen bajo el reinado de Cristo? Es una contradicción solo si damos por sentado que todos los gobiernos y todas las personas están realmente destruidas en Armagedón. Evidentemente, Gog of Magog no existe de nuevo, pero existe aún (es decir, nunca ha dejado de existir). Si le prestas atención después de muchos días significa que siempre son ellos y los "muchos días" son todos los años del reinado milenario. Gog de Magog siempre tiene el mismo nombre porque siempre es el mismo sujeto. Las personas que "acumulan riquezas y propiedades" son obviamente el pueblo de Dios (el "campo de los santos" según Apocalipsis) y esto indica las muchas bendiciones que tendrá el pueblo de Dios durante el reinado milenario y el contraste con otros pueblos (por qué especificar que hay un pueblo que acumula riqueza si todos acumulan las mismas riquezas?). Las bendiciones que, aparentemente, no tendrán a Gog de Magog de lo contrario no existirían tales contrastes y no habría razón para sentir envidia - Ezequiel 38:12; compárese con Proverbios 10:22 ¿Por qué, además, habría este contraste con aquellos que "ni siquiera barren ni puertas" si todos estamos en un nuevo mundo de paz, sin ladrones u otros delincuentes? - Ezequiel 38:11 Si simplemente lees como lo que es, la escritura realmente parece indicar que, durante el reino milenario de Cristo, todavía hay personas que tienen puertas y cerrojo, y son obviamente aquellos que nunca han estado interesados en la voluntad de Dios asiqué deben poner " bares y puertas" y prestar atención a sus propios hermanos. Los eventos relacionados con Gog de Magog, que se describen en los capítulos 38 y 39 de Ezequiel, están llenos de detalles interesantes, pero una de las cosas que se destaca a la vista es la diferencia que existe entre ellos e Israel. Por lo tanto, parece que Israel, o el pueblo santo de Dios, vivirá junto con estos otros pueblos durante mil años - Ezequiel 39: 6, 7 En este punto, la escritura de Isaías 2: 2-4 adquiere un significado particular. Hasta ahora, hemos aplicado estas escrituras a personas que, al aceptar la verdad hoy, cambian su comportamiento y "convierten sus espadas en rejas de arado" al convertirse en personas pacíficas. También lo hemos aplicado a las instrucciones que se darán a los resucitados en el Nuevo Mundo, pero tratemos de volver a leerlo aceptando la posibilidad de lo que acabamos de describir. Isaías 2: 2-4: “Y en la parte final de los días Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. tiene que suceder [que] la montaña de la casa Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. de Jehová llegará a estar firmemente establecida por encima de la cumbre de las montañas, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. y ciertamente será alzada por encima de las colinas; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. y a ella tendrán que afluir todas las naciones. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  Y muchos pueblos ciertamente irán y dirán: “Vengan, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. y subamos a la montaña de Jehová, a la casa del Dios de Jacob; y él nos instruirá acerca de sus caminos, y ciertamente andaremos Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. en sus sendas”. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Porque de Sión saldrá ley, y de Jerusalén la palabra de Jehová. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  Y él ciertamente dictará el fallo entre las naciones Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. y enderezará Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. los asuntos respecto a muchos pueblos. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Y tendrán que batir sus espadas en rejas de arado y sus lanzas en podaderas. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. No alzará espada nación contra nación, ni aprenderán más la guerra”.   La montaña de la casa de Jehová será firmemente establecida y levantada. ¿Cuándo? Evidentemente, cuando se elimine el sistema de Satanás, quedará claro que el modo de gobernar de Jehová es el mejor de todos. "Todas las naciones deben fluir hacia ella", ¿en qué sentido y qué naciones? Muchas naciones han fluído en el pueblo de Dios, por lo que se reconoce que la realización podría tener algo que ver con nuestros días; sin embargo, es posible que, al final de Armagedón, las personas de las naciones que hayan sobrevivido por el juicio de Dios (los pueblos en las cuatro esquinas de la tierra) decidan fluir al monte de Jehová. Después de los increíbles eventos de Armagedón, ya debería estar claro quién es el verdadero Dios y cuál es su pueblo. De esta manera, también, Jehová es santificado en medio de las naciones. Mucha gente fluye y dice: "Vengan y subamos al monte de Jehová, a la casa del Dios de Jacob". y él nos instruirá sobre sus caminos, y ciertamente caminaremos en su camino ", por lo que se describe a sí mismo como su propia iniciativa y no como alguien que ha sido persuadido a través de la predicación de las buenas nuevas. De hecho, ellos mismos dicen "él nos instruirá sobre sus caminos". Podemos imaginar que muchos sobrevivientes fluirán a la montaña de Jehová una vez que hayan visto los grandes signos del Armagedón, abandonando su antigua nación y haciendo los cambios necesarios para ser aceptados por Dios - Compare Apocalipsis 11:13 y Josué 9: 8-11. Sin embargo, es bastante fácil imaginar que, a pesar de estos signos inequívocos de la bendición de Jehová sobre su pueblo, no todos van a decidir unirse. Mucha gente continuará quedándose en sus naciones, con sus gobiernos, negándose a apresurarse a la montaña de Jehová. Visto desde esta perspectiva, ya no es tan increíble imaginar que, al final del milenio, cuando el pueblo de Dios ha acumulado riquezas y bendiciones sin fin, estas naciones se organizan para "tomar muchos despojos" - Ezequiel 38: 10-12 Incluso la escritura de Daniel 2:44 debería hacernos reflexionar. La escritura dice: "”Y en los días de aquellos reyes Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. el Dios del cielo Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. establecerá un reino Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. que nunca será reducido a ruinas. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Y el reino Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. mismo no será pasado a ningún otro pueblo. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Triturará y pondrá fin a todos estos reinos, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. y él mismo subsistirá hasta tiempos indefinidos". ¿De qué reyes está hablando Daniel? Si leemos los versículos anteriores, entendemos que estamos hablando de los reinos que componen la imagen de un hombre con cabeza dorada, pecho y brazos de plata, vientre y muslos de cobre, piernas de hierro y pies de hierro y arcilla . Sabemos muy bien que estos reinos son, respectivamente, Babilonia, Media-Persia, Grecia, Roma y, según el entendimiento actual, el imperio angloamericano (pero, como vimos en un artículo anterior, el último rey dominante debe ser otro rey del norte). Los mismos poderes, también en el libro de Daniel, se describen como el león con las alas de un águila (o Babilonia, en Daniel 7: 4), el oso voraz con tres costillas entre los dientes (Media-Persia, en Daniel 7: 5), el leopardo con cuatro cabezas y cuatro alas (el imperio macedonio o griego, en Daniel 7: 6) y la bestia espantosa y terrible con los dientes de hierro y los diez cuernos (Roma y por lo tanto el último poder descrito en Daniel 7: 7, 8, 19). ¿Por qué se ven los mismos dominios en dos maneras diferentes? Esto es interesante porque la bestia que Juan ve "ascender desde el mar" tiene características de todas estas bestias - Apocalipsis 13: 1, 2 De hecho, ella es similar a un leopardo, tiene los pies de un oso, la boca del león y los diez cuernos de la última bestia vista por Daniel. Estos son los reyes que son destruidos por Jesucristo y sus elegidos en Armagedón, es decir, los reinos que se unirán en la batalla final. Obviamente incluye su imagen (la ONU) y el falso profeta - Apocalipsis 19:19, 20 Incluye a todos los que participaron en la guerra, directa o indirectamente, y todos aquellos que han perseguido o tratado injustamente al pueblo de Dios - Apocalipsis 19:21; Zacarías 2: 8 Seguramente una buena parte de la humanidad será asesinada en esta guerra porque el gobernante del mundo se asegurará de tener tanta gente como sea posible, pero ¿significará esto que todos los reinos y todas las personas serán destruidas a excepción de los cristianos? ¿Incluso esos insignificantes y pequeños reinos? Incluso aquellos aislados del resto del mundo, como islas o pequeños grupos étnicos, incluidas aquellas personas que, viviendo en países que restringen la religión u otras religiones, nunca tuvieron la oportunidad de conocer las verdades maravillosas de la palabra de Dios? - Ver Ezequiel 39: 6 Estas son preguntas para pensar. Es cierto que las "buenas nuevas" se predicaron en toda la tierra habitada antes del fin del sistema satánico ... pero, ¿esto realmente entendía a todas las personas y todos realmente tenían las mismas oportunidades? Más allá de cualquier hipótesis humana, las palabras que deberían hacernos reflexionar más son las que se informan en Daniel 7:11, 12. La escritura dice Â… “Seguí contemplando en aquel tiempo debido al sonido de las palabras grandiosas que el cuerno estaba hablando; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. seguí contemplando hasta que la bestia fue muerta y su cuerpo fue destruido y fue dado al fuego ardiente. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  Pero en cuanto a las demás bestias, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. sus gobernaciones fueron quitadas, y hubo un alargamiento de vida que se les dio por un tiempo y sazón”. ¿Qué significa esto y cuánto dura "un tiempo y una sazòn"? Mientras tanto, desde el contexto vemos que el cuerno que habla de cosas grandiosas se refiere a la "espantosa y terrible bestia" que es la última bestia de la visión de Daniel. Se habla del período en el que se colocan los "tronos" y "el Anciano de los días" se sienta para juzgar y, por lo tanto, solo puede referirse al tiempo en que Jehová y Cristo toman el poder - Apocalipsis 11: 15-18 Se dice que la bestia es asesinada y su cuerpo es entregado al fuego ardiente - Compárese con Apocalipsis 19:19, 20. Es evidente que la escritura se refiere a la bestia salvaje de Apocalipsis en el momento de su juicio y, sin embargo, después de especificar que la bestia se entrega al fuego ardiente (por lo tanto, se ha destruido), el versículo 12 dice Â… “Pero en cuanto a las demás bestias, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. sus gobernaciones fueron quitadas, y hubo un alargamiento de vida que se les dio por un tiempo y sazón”. Esto especifica muy claramente que los otros dominios no se destruyen, sino que les permite continuar existiendo durante un tiempo después del juicio de Armagedón. Intentamos detenernos por un momento y volvemos a leer las últimas cuatro líneas comparando cuidadosamente las escrituras citadas. De hecho, si leemos Apocalipsis 19: 19-21 cuidadosamente, vemos que la bestia salvaje, los reyes de la tierra y sus ejércitos se reúnen para hacer la guerra contra Jesucristo y su ejército, pero ¿quién es destruido entre todos estos? La escritura dice que la bestia salvaje y el falso profeta son tomados y arrojados al lago de fuego. Entonces, el versículo 21 dice: “Pero los demás fueron muertos con la espada larga del que iba sentado en el caballo, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. la [espada] que salía de su boca”. Los demàs quién? Hay dos sujetos involucrados: los reyes de la tierra y sus ejércitos. Al decir "los demàs", ¿la visión se refiere a reyes, a sus ejércitos o a ambos? Si también se refirió a los dos, la escritura de Daniel, especifica que los dominios de estos reyes simplemente se quitan, no se destruyen. Seguramente morirán aquellos que están en esa posición (ejércitos, generales o reyes) de hecho la escritura dice que "los matan" pero no se dice que terminen en el lago de fuego. Sabemos que el lago de fuego significa la segunda muerte y que es un lugar del cual no regresamos, por lo que tenemos la seguridad de que la bestia salvaje es destruida para no volver otra vez, pero los "restantes" no son desarraigados de la tierra. Todavía no. Seràn matados todos aquellos que están librando una guerra contra el Cordero, pero evidentemente quedará algo de sus reinos, es decir, las naciones que pertenecen a estos "restantes" que fue concedido una prórroga de tiempo por un tiempo y una sazòn. Ellos tendrán mil años para recuperarse y al menos una parte de ellos, bastante numerosos según las palabras de Apocalipsis 20: 8, atacarán al pueblo de Dios al final del milenio. Gog de Magog existió antes de Armageddon y existirá incluso más tarde. En final, como hemos visto, después de la destrucción de estos enemigos todavía hay que "eliminar a un último enemigo": la muerte. Ver Corintios 15:26. Esto confirma la secuencia de eventos de Apocalipsis
    • By Queen Esther
      THE  BIG  STORM  BY  ARMAGEDDON.......
      Very  interesting  video !
      May  Jehovah's  Kingdom  coming  soon   ? ? .•*¨`*•..¸???¸.•*¨`*•. ? ?
    • By Israeli Bar Avaddhon
      La cronologia, lÂ’interpretazione, la speculazione
       
        ATTENZIONE La trattazione che segue ridiscuterà uno dei "capisaldi" dell'intendimento dello schiavo fedele e discreto. Dal momento che non è intenzione dell'autore creare una pietra d'inciampo per nessuno, tantomeno creare divisioni o sette, il lettore è invitato a valutare attentamente se desidera proseguire nella lettura. Proseguire o non proseguire, quindi, sarà soltanto una decisione personale. Una cosa ancora migliore che potremmo fare tutti: aprire la Bibbia e confrontare tutte le scritture riportate o citate e valutare, in coscienza, se gli argomenti trattati sono logici e coerenti con la Parola di Dio   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.       Tutto quello che abbiamo letto in merito alla profezia delle "70 settimane" riportato nel libro "Prestate attenzione alle profezie di Daniele!" (Capitolo 11) è meritevole di attenzione e dimostra quanto la parola di Dio sia precisa e affidabile anche quando pronuncia profezie molto distanti nel tempo. E’ stata anche evidente l’accuratezza storica e i numerosi riferimenti scritturali che hanno dato peso e autorevolezza a tutto il discorso. Chiunque si avvicini alla Parola di Dio senza preconcetti non può che rimanere colpito da tale dimostrazione di potenza e sapienza da parte di Dio. La spiegazione delle 70 settimane è ineccepibile ma può dirsi lo stesso di altre profezie? Che dire di quei calcoli su cui molti di noi hanno basato le speranze di una vita e che si sono scontrati con le critiche della maggioranza? Stiamo parlando del 1914. Anche questa è una profezia di Daniele? Anche questa è stata trattata con la stessa meravigliosa accuratezza delle settanta settimane di cui abbiamo appena letto? Anche se può non essere facile, cerchiamo di essere veramente obiettivi perché comprendere o non comprendere la Profezia, come il resto della Parola di Dio, può fare molta differenza per il nostro futuro eterno – Giovanni 17:3; 2 Tessalonicesi 1:8   CHE DIRE DEL 1914?   Il libro “prestate attenzione alle profezie di Daniele” alle pagine da 85 a 97 spiega nei dettagli il sogno di Nabucodonosor e la profezia dei 7 tempi asserendo che essa indichi la venuta del Regno di Dio nel 1914.
      Sarebbe profittevole, dunque, prendere il libro e confrontare con ciò che si leggerà di seguito.
      Il sogno di Nabucodonosor profetizza davvero la venuta del Regno di Dio nel 1914?   E’ PROPRIO COSI’? Proviamo ad esaminare ciò che c'è scritto nel libro senza pregiudizi. Ad una prima lettura sembra che Geova Dio abbia voluto dare una lezione di umiltà a Nabucodonosor, cosa che avvenne. I “sette tempi”, almeno per lui, furono sette anni e questo è confermato da tutto il racconto. Leggendo tutto questo senza preconcetti, non sembra che si debbano cercare altre spiegazioni più o meno nascoste. Comunque prendiamo per buona la tesi secondo cui “l’albero indica un dominio e una sovranità molto maggiori di quelli del re di Babilonia. Simboleggia la sovranità universale di Geova, il Re dei cieli, specie rispetto alla terra”. Questo significa, innanzitutto, che il Regno di Dio si stia paragonando, in un certo qual modo, al regno di Babilonia e questo stride con molti passi biblici che descrivono Babilonia come la più grande nemica del popolo di Dio. Significa anche che il “vigilante” (cioè un angelo di Geova) decide di abbattere il Regno di Dio e questo è, a dir poco, strano. Qualcuno obietterà che non bisogna cercare similitudini in ogni aspetto della profezia ma anche decidere quale parte della profezia deve avere un secondo adempimento e quale no potrebbe essere abbastanza arbitrario. In fondo non abbiamo altri riferimenti scritturali che ci indichino su quali particolari concentrarci e quali tralasciare. Quindi si sta dicendo che la profezia dell’albero si applica interamente a Nabucodonosor mentre solo una piccola parte si applicherebbe al Regno di Dio. Per la profezia delle “settanta settimane” non abbiamo avuto bisogno di spezzettare la profezia per cercare di capire a chi si applicasse o se si applicasse a più di una persona perché il soggetto è stato chiaro e riconoscibile fin dall’inizio. Tutta la profezia dei 7 tempi, invece, viene edificata su un unico versetto che è quello che dice... “L’albero crebbe e divenne forte, e la sua medesima altezza raggiunse infine i cieli ed era visibile sino all’estremità dell’intera terra” (Daniele 4:11) Il libro menzionato dice: “il grande albero rappresenta il ‘dominio che raggiunge l’estremità della terra’, che abbraccia l’intero regno del genere umano. Perciò simboleggia la sovranità universale di Geova, particolarmente in relazione alla terra. — Daniele 4:17”. Non è un po’ fragile, diciamo rischioso, edificare una serie di profezie (tutte collegate tra loro) su quest’unica spiegazione? Notate che la specificazione “particolarmente in relazione alla terra” è dovuta al fatto che la sovranità universale di Geova è, appunto, universale, per cui l’albero si sarebbe dovuto vedere non solo in tutta la terra ma in tutto l’universo. Specificando, invece, “in relazione alla terra”, possiamo escludere i cieli dalla visione e prendere per buona l’applicazione. Comunque dovremmo farci una domanda. Il fatto che l’albero raggiunga i cieli o l’estremità della terra è una dimostrazione o anche solo un’indicazione del fatto che si stia parlando del Regno di Dio? Lasciamo sempre che sia la Bibbia ad illuminarci. Notiamo cosa disse Geova ad Ezechiele in riferimento al Faraone. Ezechiele 31:1-8 dice... “E avvenne ancora che nell’undicesimo anno, nel terzo [mese], il primo [giorno] del mese, la parola di Geova mi fu rivolta, dicendo:?“Figlio dell’uomo, di’ a Faraone re d’Egitto e alla sua folla: “‘A chi somigli nella tua grandezza? Ecco, un assiro, un cedro del Libano, dai bei rami, con folte ramificazioni ombrose, e di altezza elevata, tanto che la sua cima era fra le nubi. Le acque lo fecero crescere; le acque dell’abisso lo fecero divenire alto. Con le loro correnti andavano tutt’intorno al luogo dov’era piantato; e mandavano i loro canali a tutti gli alberi del campo. Perciò si fece più elevato in altezza di tutti gli [altri] alberi del campo. “‘E i suoi rami si moltiplicavano, e i suoi ramoscelli continuarono ad allungarsi a causa della molta acqua nei suoi corsi d’acqua.?Sui suoi rami fecero i loro nidi tutte le creature volatili dei cieli, e sotto i suoi ramoscelli partorirono tutte le bestie selvagge del campo, e alla sua ombra dimoravano tutte le popolose nazioni. E divenne bello nella sua grandezza, nella lunghezza del suo fogliame, poiché il suo sistema di radici era su molte acque.?[Altri] cedri non lo uguagliavano nel giardino di Dio. In quanto ai ginepri, non avevano alcuna somiglianza con i suoi rami. E i platani stessi non gli erano simili nei ramoscelli. Nessun [altro] albero del giardino di Dio gli somigliava per bellezza”. Notiamo qualche similitudine con la visione di Nabucodonosor? Entrambi sono paragonati ad alti e possenti alberi. Entrambi raggiungono altezze elevate, fino al cielo infatti le espressioni “raggiungere i cieli” o “raggiungere le nubi” sono equivalenti – Confronta Giobbe 22:14; Isaia 14:14; Daniele 7:13 Di entrambi si nota la grande differenza con gli altri alberi. Di entrambi si dice che tutte le creature volatili e tutte le bestie selvagge trovano cibo e riparo. Ora, se applicassimo il principio secondo cui l’albero che “raggiunge le nubi” deve raffigurare il Regno di Dio, allora anche l’impero Egiziano dovrebbe essere un antitipo del Regno. Purtroppo, però, in questo racconto non si fa alcuna menzione dei “tempi” e di conseguenza non è possibile contare alcunché. Se pensate che sia ridicolo pensare che l’impero egiziano possa raffigurare il Regno di Dio, perché dovrebbe essere accettabile l’impero Babilonese?   Geova continua dicendo “Per la ragione che divenisti di altezza elevata, così che esso mise la sua cima perfino tra le nubi e il suo cuore si esaltò a causa della sua altezza,?anch’io lo darò in mano al despota delle nazioni” – Ezechiele 31:10, 11 Il Faraone si esaltò, esattamente come fece Nabucodonosor, e per questo motivo Dio decise di umiliarlo – Matteo 23:12 Nabucodonosor se la cavò con sette anni di pazzia mentre l’impero di Faraone venne assediato. Anche questo versetto rimarca il fatto che Dio toglie e da “il regno a chi vuole” (e in questo caso Egli diede il regno di Faraone al “despota delle nazioni”). Ezechiele 31:12-14 prosegue... “Ed estranei, i tiranni delle nazioni, lo taglieranno, e il popolo l’abbandonerà sui monti; e il suo fogliame certamente cadrà in tutte le valli, e i suoi rami si romperanno fra tutti i letti dei corsi d’acqua della terra. E tutti i popoli della terra scenderanno dalla sua ombra e l’abbandoneranno. Sul suo tronco caduto risiederanno tutte le creature volatili dei cieli, e sui suoi ramoscelli saranno certamente tutte le bestie selvagge del campo;?affinché nessuno degli alberi irrigati divenga elevato in altezza, o metta la sua cima anche fra le nubi, e perché nessuno che beve acqua stia in piedi contro di loro nella sua altezza, poiché certamente saranno tutti dati alla morte, alla terra di sotto, in mezzo ai figli del genere umano, a quelli che scendono nella fossa’”. Anche questo albero viene abbattuto e umiliato (Geova farà questo attraverso il re di Babilonia). A motivo delle tante similitudini con il regno d’Egitto, siamo davvero certi che l’albero che “raggiunse i cieli” si riferisca al Regno di Dio?
        Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Quando si tratta del 1914, siamo davvero come i bereani? O siamo "bereani" solo quando dobbiamo confutare le dottrine della cristianità?
       
      C’è un altro particolare interessante il quale dovrebbe farci riflettere. La Bibbia paragona i cieli ai governi, siano essi umani o celesti. Applicando questo concetto all’albero che raggiunge i cieli e i cui altri alberi non reggono il confronto con esso, significherebbe semplicemente che questo albero ha il regno sopra gli altri regni (più piccoli) e di Babilonia la Grande si dice, appunto, che “ha il regno sopra i re della terra” – Rivelazione 17:18 L’unico parallelismo legittimo che si può fare con Babilonia, senza timore di prendere cantonate, è quello relativo a Babilonia la Grande perché è il parallelismo che fa la Bibbia. In effetti tutti gli imperi mondiali menzionati nelle Scritture hanno avuto, per un certo periodo, il regno sopra gli altri regni. Ciro disse infatti di se stesso... “Io sono Ciro, re del mondo, gran re, re legittimo, re di Babilonia, re di Sumer e Akkad, re delle quattro estremità (della terra), figlio di Cambise (Ka-am-bu-zi-ia), gran re, re di Anzan, nipote di Ciro , . . . discendente di Teispe, . . . di una famiglia (che) ha sempre regnato”. (Ancient Near Eastern Texts, a cura di J. B. Pritchard, 1974, p. 316) Sicuramente l’umiltà non era una caratteristica apprezzata dai persiani come neppure dai babilonesi ma di fatto il regno ebbe il potere sugli altri regni conosciuti (tanto da definirsi “re delle quattro estremità della terra”) e quindi si poteva ben dire che la sua altezza aveva raggiunto i cieli ed era visibile o conosciuto fino alle estremità della terra. Nel racconto di Ezechiele e in quello di Daniele non c’è alcun riferimento, proprio nessuno, al Regno di Dio anzi... entrambi i resoconti menzionano un giudizio da parte di Dio su nazioni nemiche, orgogliose e violente. Ogni eventuale calcolo cronologico dovrebbe rispettare il soggetto in essere ed infatti questa parte della Scrittura è ben diversa da ciò che si dice in merito alle “settanta settimane” – Daniele 9:24-27 Nel resoconto di Daniele capitolo 9 si parla chiaramente del Messia (vedi Daniele 9:25) e non è necessario leggere ciò che non è scritto. Chiunque volesse essere polemico potrebbe discutere sulla data di inizio da cui contare le “settimane” o anche sul metodo addotto* (un giorno per un anno) ma di certo non si può discutere del soggetto in essere (il Messia). Si potrebbe, per assurdo, anche discutere su chi fosse veramente il Messia (cosa su cui discutono ancora gli ebrei) ma di certo non si può discutere che Daniele capitolo 9 parli dell’arrivo del Messia! Invece Daniele capitolo 4 parla di Nabucodonosor e del suo regno, mentre tutto “l’intendimento” relativo al Regno di Dio è costruito su quattro righe riportate nel libro “Prestate attenzione alle profezie di Daniele!” che recitano: “Ma il grande albero rappresenta il dominio che raggiunge l’estremità della terra, che abbraccia l’intero regno del genere umano. Perciò simboleggia la sovranità universale di Geova, particolarmente in relazione alla terra. - Daniele 4:17” (capitolo 6, pagina 87 dell’edizione italiana del libro). Non sembra un’affermazione molto decisa con una base molto debole? Cerchiamo di non far dire a Daniele 4:17 quello che in realtà non dice perché basta conoscere le regole base della grammatica per non distrarsi dal soggetto. Il soggetto è Nabucodonosor e Dio gli fa comprendere che, a motivo del fatto che si è esaltato, gli avrebbe tolto il regno e l’avrebbe dato a chiunque Egli avesse voluto (esattamente come Egli fece con Faraone). In pratica Colui che governa davvero è il Creatore e gli altri regni esistono soltanto perché Lui lo permette – Confronta Romani 13:1 Quindi non c’è alcun motivo per ritenere che l’albero (cioè uno dei tanti governi che Geova ha permesso nella storia del genere umano), rappresenti in realtà il Regno di Dio. Se qualcuno vuole insinuare che il fatto che Dio menzioni il Suo dominio sia indicativo che l’albero stesso raffiguri il Suo dominio (ed è un’acrobazia semantica incredibile) allora possiamo prendere il racconto riportato in 2 Re 19:14-19 e fare lo stesso ragionamento. “Ezechia prese quindi le lettere dalla mano dei messaggeri e le lesse, dopo di che Ezechia salì alla casa di Geova e le stese dinanzi a Geova. 15?Ed Ezechia pregava dinanzi a Geova e diceva: “O Geova, Dio d’Israele, che siedi sui cherubini, tu solo sei il [vero] Dio di tutti i regni della terra. Tu stesso hai fatto i cieli e la terra. 16?Porgi il tuo orecchio, o Geova, e odi. Apri i tuoi occhi, o Geova, e vedi, e odi le parole di Sennacherib che egli ha mandato per biasimare l’Iddio vivente. 17?È un fatto, o Geova, che i re d’Assiria hanno devastato le nazioni e il loro paese. 18?E hanno consegnato i loro dèi al fuoco, perché non erano dèi, ma l’opera delle mani dell’uomo, legno e pietra; così che li hanno distrutti. 19?E ora, o Geova nostro Dio, salvaci, ti prego, dalla sua mano, affinché tutti i regni della terra conoscano che tu solo, o Geova, sei Dio”. Ezechia sapeva benissimo che Geova era “il vero Dio di tutti i regni della terra” e pregò affinché Sennacherib venisse fermato nel suo intento di distruggere Gerusalemme. Sappiamo benissimo quale fu la risposta di Isaia la quale ultima parte recita... “Perché il tuo eccitarti contro di me e il tuo ruggire sono saliti ai miei orecchi. E certamente ti metterò il mio uncino al naso e il mio freno fra le labbra, E in realtà ti ricondurrò per la via per la quale sei venuto” - 2 Re 19:28 Se facessimo lo stesso ragionamento addotto per il capitolo 4 di Daniele, allora potremmo supporre che anche il “regno di Sennacherib” era un antitipo del regno di Dio perché anche lui dovette imparare (a sue spese) che Geova è “il vero Dio di tutti i regni della terra” o, detto in altre parole “domina su tutto il genere umano”. Purtroppo anche in questo racconto non ci sono numeri, giorni, settimane o mesi da calcolare e quindi nessun motivo per leggere “venuta del regno di Dio” anche dove non se ne fa alcuna menzione. E’ possibile che il forte desiderio di veder adempiersi le profezie abbia influito sull’intendimento e quindi abbia spinto a leggere quello che in realtà non era scritto? Questo significa che, se proprio si volesse vedere un secondo adempimento al racconto riportato in Daniele capitolo 4, si dovrebbe rispettare il soggetto in essere e cioè Babilonia. È probabile che il racconto di Daniele stia semplicemente raccontando l’umiliazione di Nabucodonosor e che i “sette tempi” significhino soltanto sette anni ma non possiamo essere categorici. A questo riguardo è utile riflettere sul fatto che anche l’umiliazione del Faraone, riportata in Ezechiele, potrebbe avere un secondo adempimento in quanto Geova dice che “scrollerà le nazioni” e questo potrebbe essere un riferimento alla guerra di Armaghedon. Quindi, senza fissarci troppo con una data specifica, nel caso in cui il racconto di Daniele avesse voluto indicarci un secondo adempimento della profezia, il resoconto sta in realtà dicendo: “Babilonia cadrà, rimarrà inattiva per sette tempi e poi risorgerà”. Questo non può che riportare la nostra mente all’ultima menzione che la Bibbia fa di Babilonia – Rivelazione 17:5 Gli indizi relativi a Babilonia la Grande ci hanno portato alla nazione d’Israele quindi la domanda che dovremmo farci è... “Da che anno dovremmo iniziare a contare i 2520 anni (cioè 360*7) fino a vedere la rinascita (eventuale) di Babilonia?” Dal racconto di Daniele le date possibili da cui partire per contare i sette tempi sono due: 1) Da quando Nabucodonosor ha avuto la visione o è caduto in “disgrazia” (infatti Daniele dice “l’albero sei tu” – Daniele 4:20-22) 2) Dalla morte di Nabucodonosor (se Nabucodonosor rappresenta il regno di Babilonia, la sua morte è il momento in cui l’albero viene “abbattuto” ma è da notare che non c’è alcun riferimento a questo nella narrazione di Daniele il quale, anzi, dice che il regno gli sarebbe stato assicurato – Daniele 4:26)   Per quanto riguarda la prima ipotesi è impossibile avere una data accurata in quanto né la Bibbia né la storia secolare ci dicono in quale anno Nabucodonosor venne cacciato dal suo regno. Ciò avvenne, ovviamente, dopo il 597 a.E.V. (anno in cui Nabucodonosor porta i primi prigionieri Giudei a Babilonia secondo la datazione secolare; c’è una differenza di 20 anni con quella dello schiavo che, infatti, mette il 617 a.E.V.) ed entro il 570 a.E.V. (se Nabucodonosor muore nel 562 a.E.V. - sempre secondo la data secolare - e il periodo di “cattività” dura 7 anni e il regno gli viene restituito si presume che esso abbia regnato per almeno un anno, il 570 è l’ultimo anno utile). Comunque nei primi quattro capitoli di Daniele si menzionano Daniele, Sadrac, Mesac e Abednego prima come fanciulli (Daniele 1:3, 4) e successivamente come uomini robusti (Daniele 3:12, 27) e tutto questo prima che Nabucodonosor abbia il famoso sogno dell’albero. Questo significa che, dalla loro deportazione fino al giorno in cui il re eresse l’immagine d’oro, passarono almeno 15, 20 anni. Quindi se gli ebrei sono giunti a Babilonia nel 597 a.E.V. ma passano 20 vent’anni prima della costruzione dell’idolo d’oro e avendo presa per buona la data secolare (562 a.E.V) è possibile restringere il periodo dal 577 a.E.V. fino al 570 a.E.V. Ovviamente sono solo stime ma la data importante è il limite massimo di tempo (il 570 a.E.V) per cui se dalla deportazione fino alla costruzione dell’immagine fossero passati 15 anni anziché 20, la data di inizio sarebbe il 582 a.E.V. ma l’ultima data utile possibile sarebbe sempre il 570 a.E.V. L’eventuale rinascita di Babilonia, se di questo sta parlando Daniele, cosa tutt’altro che certa, sarebbe avvenuta tra il 1943 E.V. (2520-577) e il 1950 E.V. (2520-570). A rafforzare questa ipotesi ci sarebbe anche il fatto che la narrazione della sua cacciata è l’ultimo racconto riferito a Nabucodonosor. Pochi versetti dopo, infatti, non si parla più di lui ma di Baldassarre (Daniele cap. 5). E’ ragionevole concludere, quindi, che Nabucodonosor ebbe la visione negli ultimi anni, forse durante l’ultimo decennio del suo regno.   La seconda ipotesi riguarda la morte di Nabucodonosor la quale avviene, secondo le fonti secolari, nel 562 a.E.V. Secondo lo schiavo avviene invece nel 582 a.E.V. (vedi il libro “Prestate attenzione alle profezie di Daniele” capitolo 7, pagina 99). Contando 2520 anni si arriva al 1958 E.V. nel primo caso e al 1938 E.V. nel secondo caso.   Cosa ci dice la storia recente? Se, come abbiamo visto, Babilonia la Grande è la nazione d’Israele questo avvalorerebbe la prima ipotesi. La prima ipotesi colloca la rinascita di Babilonia tra il 1943 e il 1950. La “risurrezione” di Israele avviene, infatti, nel maggio 1948. Conoscendo la fissazione degli esseri umani per le date e i calcoli, però, è prudente prestare attenzione alle cose più importanti. Le date secolari non possono essere sicure, basandosi su reperti e confronti più o meno lacunosi, e di certo non possiamo basare la nostra fede su questo – 2 Corinti 5:7 Cosa accadrebbe se il 597 a.E.V., così come il 607 o il 537 o qualsiasi altra data su cui abbiamo basato gran parte delle profezie bibliche (senza che ci fosse una vero motivo per farlo) domani si dimostrasse completamente errato? Le conseguenze potrebbero essere molto serie e non solo da un punto di vista umano – Amos 3:1, 2 Non dobbiamo prendere per scontata la misericordia di Geova per cui dobbiamo essere prudenti nelle nostre affermazioni. Dal momento che non abbiamo alcuna certezza che i “sette tempi” non raffigurino semplicemente sette anni, non dovremmo perderci in queste speculazioni. La cosa più importante non è forse comprendere l’identità di Babilonia la Grande? Questo è un aspetto cruciale della profezia perché sono gli indizi a guidarci nei soggetti e nei tempi in cui stiamo vivendo, come dei segnali stradali, e non i calcoli – Confronta Matteo 24:32, 33 e 2 Timoteo 3:1-5 e fai un contrasto con Matteo 24:36 Non c’è alcuna indicazione temporale per l’uccisione dei due testimoni vestiti di sacco (vedi Rivelazione cap. 11) ma sappiamo che essi si rivelano alla fine della guerra. Sappiamo che la città chiamata “Sodoma ed Egitto” è Babilonia la Grande, quindi Israele, e di conseguenza sappiamo anche quale nazione e quali avvenimenti osservare con attenzione. Che la Bibbia profetizzi effettivamente l’anno della sua “risurrezione” oppure no, è sicuramente interessante ma non fondamentale per chi crede che Essa è davvero l’ispirata Parola di Dio. Fondamentale, semmai, sarà “uscire da essa” quando l’ONU si preparerà a distruggerla. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.     * Comunque la Bibbia conferma il metodo “un giorno per un anno” e anche che questo era lo stesso metodo utilizzato dal popolo di Dio – Ezechiele 4:6; Luca 3:15   Altri argomenti e informazioni, per chi volesse approfondire, sono disponibili al seguente indirizzo   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  
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