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    • By Jack Ryan
      A grieving mother broke down in tears after she found a Jehovah's Witnesses pamphlet asking 'Can the dead really live again?' left at her son's grave.
      The woman and her daughter were visiting the 20-year-old's grave at Penrith Cemetery in western Sydney during the first Mother's Day since his suicide when they found the pamphlet.
      'Can the dead really live again?' the pamphlet read on the front cover, with the options 'yes', 'no' and 'maybe'.
      The man's sister said her mother was already struggling to cope with her son's absence on Mother's Day before they found the flyer.
      'My mum had been trying to hold it together all morning. It was always going to be a hard visit (to the cemetery) that day, but the flyer was a bit of salt in the wound,' the man's sister, who wished to remain anonymous, said.
      'It's harder to console your mother in tears on Mother's Day who just misses her son than it is to pick up a piece of paper and throw it in the bin.'
      The woman said there were flyers left at every grave in her brother's section of the cemetery.
      'Overall the whole situation was inappropriate... being that it was Mother's Day... there's no scenario you could have in this situation that makes it any ''better'' it's just horrible from all directions,' she said.

      'That and also the choice of words. Leaving a flyer is a bad move regardless, but posing a question to friends and family members of ''Can the dead live again?'' is just so morbid.
      'But even then, if they left a flyer saying ''We're sorry for your loss'' would it make the situation any better? It's still preying on emotionally vulnerable people.' 
      The woman said she called the Jehovah's Witness head office in Sydney, where someone acknowledged leaving flyers at the cemetery was inappropriate.
      'But I wasn't given an apology... they referred to it as ''passing on the enquiry'',' she said.
      'What annoys me is that no one seemed to notice these people coming in - with a bag full of rocks to place the flyers under - and leaving all these flyers around.
      'Plots in that cemetery are going for up to $4000 plus, you expect some kind of security in this place.
      'One of the graves I removed a flyer from had the flyer underneath a little dog statue that was sitting beside the tombstone. 
      'All I thought was, imagine if that little dog was a family heirloom that meant something to the decease and was damaged because it was being carelessly handled by a church that wanted to get their sales numbers up? You'd be pretty livid.'
      A Jehovah's Witnesses spokesman said the choice to leave the flyers at the cemetery was 'an individual matter' and would have been carried out by someone from 'one of the local churches there'.
      'Some write letters, some do it over the phone,' he said.
      'It's probably just an individual doing the work... It's an individual, personal choice when it comes to preaching.'
      The spokesman said he could 'understand' resistance to their message, as they sometimes receive the same feedback when they go door-knocking to preach.
      A Penrith City Council spokesman said the flyers were an 'isolated incident'.
      'Council was advised on Monday afternoon of leaflets that were left in the cemetery and a sweep was conducted to remove the material,' he said. 
      Daily Mail Australia has contacted the Penrith Central Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses church for comment.

      A Jehovah's Witnesses spokesman said the choice to leave the flyers at the cemetery was 'an individual matter' and would have been carried out by someone from 'one of the local churches' in Penrith
      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7025371/Grieving-mother-lost-20-year-old-son-suicide-finds-Jehovahs-Witness-pamphlet-grave.html?fbclid=IwAR10jCf4Tqhfxghfz7UGde07X-hazU4ErQQc5TMEfDt17MNftaVlzsQPiwk
    • By JOHN BUTLER
      I was having a discussion on here somewhere with someone, concerning the IICSA investigation into JW Org in the UK. 
      I've just received this email from them so thought I'd put it up on here for people to look at. 
      It doesn't copy and paste exactly as it looks on my email, but here it is anyway :- 
      Our reference: IICSA-0013979

       
      Dear Mr Butler
      Thank you for contacting the Inquiry on 3 February.
      As you may be aware, the Inquiry is investigating institutional failure to protect children from sexual abuse in the Anglican and Roman Catholic Churches. In June 2015 it issued a retention order covering documents of interest to the Inquiry to the leaders of 18 prominent religious organisations, including the Jehovah's Witnesses.  
      The Inquiry has received correspondence from a considerable number of individuals raising concerns about child sexual abuse within Jehovah's Witnesses organisations. At present the Inquiry is committed to delivering its existing programme and is not currently launching any new investigations. However, as our work progresses, we will consider calls for a Jehovah's Witnesses specific investigation carefully.
      Any updates on our investigations, including scope and hearings can be found on our website at www.iicsa.org.uk/investigations
      Investigations The Inquiry has launched 13 investigations into a broad range of institutions identified on the basis of the Panel’s criteria for selection of investigations. The investigations will give a voice to victims and survivors of child sexual abuse, enable the Inquiry to understand how institutions have failed to protect children from sexual abuse and make practical recommendations to ensure better institutional protection for children in the future. www.iicsa.org.uk  
      I am sorry for the delay in responding to you and I hope that you have found this information useful. If you have any questions regarding the contents of this email, please do not hesitate to contact the Inquiry again.
      Yours sincerely

      Jodie Yarborough
      Head of Correspondence & Engagement Team
      Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse
       
    • By Queen Esther
      The  CO - class,  learning  in  a  course  in  Bethel  *Mill  Hill*  -
      Left  side  first  is  GB  Brother  Barba !   A  friend-sister  met  him  by  a  New york  Bethel  visit,   she  got  alot  pictures
      That  picture  is  from  the  past  ~  Bro. Barba  is  now  in  Heaven  by  the  others  from  NY.
    • By Bible Speaks
      Closing of the Bethel of London and opening of the new Bethel in Chelmsford
      We are pleased to inform you that a new and exciting exhibition is now open for visitors in our Installations In Mill Hill. This new feature will take you on a journey through the history of witnesses in great Britain and Ireland. It includes material that will strengthen your faith and undoubtedly increase your appreciation for being part of the wonderful organization of Jehovah. - Ps. 144: 15.
      News: the new facilities at Chelmsford will not include a printer and will discontinue the printing at Mill Hill at the end of March 2018. So if you want to see the printing presses we invite you to visit as soon as possible.
      ___________________________________
      The Accelerated speed of new news in our organization makes us look forward to all kinds of communiqués as you can see, there will be no printing of publications in London.
      When they announced the new branch, they said it was necessary because the production of magazines is expanding and Britain is the key Bethel for the production of magazines. That was just a couple of years ago they said that.
      Literature comes from Germany now. It's the center of Europe. Sent to London (soon Chelmsford) and distributed from there. The single page brochures will be used much more now. 

    • By Jack Ryan
      Western Mail (Wales, UK), Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - FRONT PAGE
      An elder member of a Jehovah’s Witness congregation subjected a girl to years of sexual abuse, a court has heard.
      Thomas Brian Jenkins, 74, appeared at Merthyr Crown Court on Monday charged with 20 counts of indecent assault against a girl in the 1970s.
      The alleged abuse began when the girl was 12 years old and continued until she was 14.
      Jenkins, of Landor Road, Redditch, Worcestershire, denies indecently assaulting the girl by touching her genitals on “dozens of occasions".
      Opening the case for the prosecution, Timothy Evans said the abuse began shortly after the girl moved to a village in Powys with her family, who were Jehovah’s Witnesses, and became involved with the local congregation.
      Mr Evans said Jenkins, an elder member of the congregation, would take the girl, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, and her older brother out in a car to knock on people’s doors.
      “The defendant would get someone going out house to - turn to page 4
      Jehovah's Witness denies 20 historic sex attack charges
    • By Jack Ryan
      An article in the print edition of Wales On Sunday, an English-language Welsh newspaper, and 'sister' newspaper to The Western Mail (Mon to Sat). Wales on Sunday has a circulation of just under 10,000-copies each Sunday.
      Wales on Sunday (UK), Sunday, October 21, 2018 - page 16
      It has been a busy week for the courts in Wales with several high-profile cases being dealt with.
      Here are some of the criminals jailed this week.
      Roy Collins
      Collins was given a 23-year extended sentence after being convicted of the systematic sexual abuse of two young girls in the 1980s and 1990s.
      The Jehovah's Witness was branded as "devious, righteous and arrogant" by a judge at Swansea Crown Court.
      Read online version:
      https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/locked-up-abusive-couple-aspiring-15297903
    • Guest Nicole
      By Guest Nicole
      Speaking at the hearing, Valerie’s family described her as a “happy little old lady”.
      Daughter Alexandra Harpin, 58, said: “She liked to talk to people, and she was a very active Jehovah’s Witness until the last five to six years prior to her death.
      “She was just a normal mother, but at times she was a frightened person.
      “She feared certain things but never disclosed what it was.
      “There was nothing wrong with her mental state at all. Every time I saw her she was fine.”
      Robert McIntyre was not present at the inquest. Since then he has been the subject of Chinese whispers on the estate that has been home for 22 years.
      He told the Sunday Mercury: “I have been put through a lot of hell. What has been done to me is horrendous, but I’ve already forgiven them.”
      Now he says that bereavement, groundless accusations and the long wait to clear his name have finally taken their toll. He is leaving.
      “I’m moving,” he said. “I’ve just had enough of the harassment.”
      https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/navy-hero-not-kill-wife-15277332
    • Guest Nicole
      By Guest Nicole
      A Special Forces veteran, publicly branded a poisoner, has broken his silence to tell the Sunday Mercury: “I did not kill my wife with weedkiller.”
      And Lieutenant Commander Robert McIntyre, who served the Royal Navy with distinction from 1963 to 1971, says the bombshell allegation will be the death of him.
      “This is going to see me off,” said the 72-year-old at his cluttered bungalow in Bloxwich, near Walsall, the oxygen machine wife Valerie used still prominently placed in the living room.
      “That’s it for me, that’s me finished.”
      Robert, raised on the Isle of Skye, spoke out after an inquest heard 88-year-old Valerie told family from her hospital deathbed: “That bastard has killed me.”
      She claimed that Robert, who became a long distance lorry driver after his military stint, had poisoned her with weedkiller, the hearing was told.
      https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/navy-hero-not-kill-wife-15277332Valerie, a devout Jehovah’s Witness, died at Walsall Manor Hospital in September 2017. Her service at Bushbury Crematorium did not take place until September 11 this year.
    • Guest Nicole
    • By The Librarian
      An obsessive and controlling husband had faked a message from the police complaints body telling his wife to go to Rhyl police station to identify his body.
      Mark Perry, aged 46, had also turned up at a refuge with a neighbour's child claiming to be a family member and seeking the whereabouts of his wife.
      The story was told at Llandudno court where Perry, a Jehovah's Witness, of Sandringham Avenue, Rhyl, pleaded guilty to stalking.
      When he was sent for sentence at Mold crown court next month and refused bail he protested, near to tears: "I love my wife. I don't want to cause her any stress at all."
      The charge accuses him of between the end of July and beginning of August stalking Ysabel Andrea Perry and causing her serious harm or distress by sending texts and WhatsApp messages and trying to seek her whereabouts.
      The court heard that in one message Perry told his wife : "Sorry for the suffering I've caused you over the years. I'm unravelling it with Jehovah's help."
      Prosecuting, Diane Williams said his wife had endured threats and control and a domestic violence protection order had been granted. She'd had "disturbing" messages and texts.
      Graham Parry, defending, said the couple were Jehovah's Witnesses and they had been in discussion with elders which he preferred to the justice system to deal with their difficulties.
      Mr Parry said : "From the Jehovah's Witness point of view there's only one way a couple can separate - it's adultery, and neither has committed adultery.
      "His wife has now gone to another part of the country in a refuge that's safe.
      "He does threaten to take his own life. He does seem fairly desperate to try and get what he thought who was his wife back."
      Added Mr Parry :"He doesn't fit the mode of most defendants. It's an unusual case".
      http://www.rhyljournal.co.uk/news/16683122.obsessive-husband-charged-with-stalking-faked-message-instructing-his-wife-to-go-to-rhyl-police-station-to-identify-his-body/
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    • For your reading pleasure this fine Tuesday afternoon. Today’s Watchtower articles come from the pen of our former and only loving Pastor, Charles Taze Russell and one quote from the 1932 Year Book of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Let’s dig into this spiritual food that flowed from God’s mouthpiece to our tables. The Watchtower April 15th, 1900 p 122; “There are probably as many as a hundred colored brethren on the Watch Tower lists, some of them very clear in the truth, and very earnest in its service, financially and other-wise .. [but they are not allowed to participate in the "pioneer work" as] although we have received letters from several of these, who had intended engaging in the volunteer work, expressing surprise that in the call for volunteers in the March 1, 1900 issue we restricted the inquiry to white Protestant churches. .. The reason is that so far as we are able to judge, colored people have less education than whites - many of them quite insufficient to permit them to profit by such reading as we have to give forth. Our conclusion therefore is based upon the supposition that reading matter distributed to a colored congregation would more than half of it be utterly wasted, and a very small percentage indeed likely to yield good results. We advise, therefore, that where the Watch Tower literature is introduced to colored people it be not by promiscuous circulation, but only to those who give evidence of some ear for the truth. We avoid, so far as possible, putting the pearls of present truth into the hands of the vicious and depraved ..” The Watchtower July 15th, 1902 p216; “The Negro Not a Beast .. that Ham's characteristics which had led him to unseemly conduct disrespectful to his father, would be found cropping out later, inherited by his son, and prophetically he foretold that this degeneracy would mark the posterity of Canaan, degrading him, making him servile. We are not able to determine to a certainty that the sons of Ham and Canaan are negroes; but we consider that general view as probable as any other.. We are not to forget, either, that Africa is inhabited by various tribes or nations of negroes - some more and some less degraded than the average.. While it is true that the white race exhibits some qualities of superiority over any other, we are to remember that there are wide differences in the same Caucasian (Semitic and Aryan) family.. The secret of the greater intelligence and aptitude of the Caucasian undoubtedly in great measure is to be attributed to the commingling of blood amongst its various branches; and this was evidently forced in large measure by circumstances under divine control. It remains to be proven that the similar commingling of the various tribes of Chinese for several centuries would not equally brighten their intellects; and the same with the peoples of India and Africa.” The Watchtower April 1st, 1908 p99 “The negro and Latin races will probably always be inclined to superstition.” Year Book 1932, pp 63-64 Colored Branch When our colored brethren were made a separate branch there was considerable objection on the part of some, these have the thought that the Colored or Negro race was being pushed aside. This was not the case, however. It was thought best for the Colored brethren to work amongst their own people, and the results show that this conclusion was correct. This concludes our racist study course for today. Golden Age 1920-'Agriculture and Husbandry' This was an old article speaking against the dangers of crossbreeding crops and the unusable 'hybrids' that resulted. Then added: "Even in the case of the human family, if the father and mother are of different races the children are sometimes unfit for brain work. Wonderful are the fixed laws of God." I think there were writers of the literature that held views with varying levels of racism. There were articles (c.1914) that spoke about how great it was that the 'colored friends' wanted to watch the Photodrama of Creation (oh, but so as not to offend the white attendees, lets segregate them to the balcony.) And... Watchtower 1952. "Really, our colored brothers have great cause for rejoicing. Their race is meek and teachable, and from it comes a high percentage of the theocratic increase. What if the worldly wise and powerful and noble look down on them as foolish and weak and ignoble, not on an equality with self-exalted whites? It is to God’s ultimate honor, for he confounds the wise of this world by choosing those the world considers foolish and weak and ignoble. Let us boast in Jehovah and in our equality in his sight, rather than wanting to boast in equality in the world’s sight." Then... Awake! 1953 Oct 8 p.6 "South Africa's whole color policy is conditioned by this fact and this fear: 80 per cent of her population is black; if the color bar is breached, what new dike can stop a black flood from overflowing and destroying the civilisation with which white man have displaced the wilderness?"
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