Why do the elders have to announce when a publisher decides to spend 70 hours a month in service?

[JOHN BUTLER]

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

How will you know when Judgement is just a short way off yet? 

I won't Tom i will be long dead.  But there will be an Organisation that stands tall above all others. A pure and truthful organisation run by true Anointed. It will suffer persecution because it will be so pure and good and because it will serve God through Jesus Christ properly. It will give true direction and not have to keep changing its mind. 

Unlike the JW Org that is as deep in the sh-t as all other religions are right now. The JW Org is not recognisable as being high  above the others, it is not recognised for pure worship, it is seen as being just as filthy as all the others and seen as telling just as many lies too. Different lies of course but still lies. 

Remember the scripture at Luke 17 v 1&2 

 Then he said to his disciples: “It is unavoidable that causes for stumbling should come. Nevertheless, woe to the one through whom they come! ²  It would be more advantageous for him if a millstone were hung from his neck and he were thrown into the sea than for him to stumble one of these little ones.

The GB / W/t / JW Org are causes for stumbling right now. and have been for many years by misusing scripture. They can easily be seen as organisations that frequently change the meanings or purposes of their teachings. 

So right now God does not have a reliable organisation, hence Judgement time must be a way off yet.  Or do you think God is unfair so that He would not give people proper direction at the time of the end ? 

[JOHN BUTLER]

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

“For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they took no note—they even ignored the literature carts!—until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.”

 

 

I think Noah was a bit more proactive. Or did he just put a sign on the side or the Ark ? 

[TrueTomHarley]

On 6/20/2019 at 11:11 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

There is a part of me that would like to see the end of counting time altogether.

It is possible that my “dream” could come true. 

The present tactic of enemies of Jehovah’s Witnesses is to portray the faith as composed of two classes—with the evil “corporate” class manipulating the ones “below.” Just as in a war, strategists might call for killing off the enemy generals, and thus “liberating” the enemy troups who are being evilly manipulated. 

Of course it is nonsense, just as it is nonsense in a literal war. It doesn’t occur to the presumptuous strategists that the “enemy” soldiers might actually believe in their cause. Or perhaps they know it full well, but they have just hit on a pious-sounding way—posing as the people’s liberator—-to bust up what they don’t like.

At any rate, one way to defuse this idiocy is to avoid any perception of the “corporate class” telling the underlings what to do. I believe this is happening now in Europe, where privacy laws enacted against data-collecting are being applied to Jehovah’s Witnesses. Don’t collect data, then, the Branch says, and they provide no direction as to how to do it.

Opponents celebrate the blow with which they have struck the Witnesses’ preaching work. If it was the work of men—the corporation “telling” members what to do—they would be right. But if the directive to preach the good news and make disciples of ones who respond favorably is from God (via the Bible), then members can be trusted to devise their own methods for carrying out the work that they believe is the Christian privilege and duty.

Maybe the same thing will happen someday with “counting time.” Alexander Dvorkin, the anti-cult ringleader in Russia, said that as far as he knew, Witnesses were required to report their activity to HQ each month—insinuating that it was for the purpose of updating a file kept on each member, instead of simply reporting the aggregate number that it actually is.  One way to counter such misrepresentation—whether it be deliberate of just through ignorance—might be to simply not tally the stats centrally. Forget all about counting time.

I wouldn’t be sad to see it go, if it did. There are goofy things about counting time. A major one from my point of view is that one can achieve far more productive results during evening witnesses than one can during the weekday, but nowhere near the number of hours. I think it serves to discourage witnessing during these more productive times. 

 

 

[TrueTomHarley]

34 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

I think Noah was a bit more proactive. Or did he just put a sign on the side or the Ark ?

Do you think it is wrong, then, for the brothers to do cart witnessing in this place with plenty of foot traffic?

What of when the friends call on people who are home but decline to answer the door? Do you think is wrong for the Witnesses to move on? Or should they be more proactive and knock on the door for an hour, if need be, until the householder answers?

Come, come. You are simply an enemy of Jehovah’s Witnesses and feel obliged to criticize everything they do. There is nothing wrong with the cart work.

[Srecko Sostar]

17 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Should we instead begin praying for the world leaders fo be blessed so as to succeed in bringing better conditions?

This is  good one. In both ways; funny and serious. 

First; Is it possible that this advice from Bible, praying for kings of the world, will bring needed change?

Second: Is it possible to believe in next Bible verse: And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith.

[JOHN BUTLER]

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Do you think it is wrong, then, for the brothers to do cart witnessing in this place with plenty of foot traffic?

What of when the friends call on people who are home but decline to answer the door? Do you think is wrong for the Witnesses to move on? Or should they be more proactive and knock on the door for an hour, if need be, until the householder answers?

Come, come. You are simply an enemy of Jehovah’s Witnesses and feel obliged to criticize everything they do. There is nothing wrong with the cart work.

I think to have 4 JW's all counting their time whilst doing nothing is not good for getting God's work done, if indeed that was what they were trying to do.

I wonder if the early Christians stood in the marketplace with wooden boards and said nothing. Probably not. 

So you think standing like a statue is proactive do you ?  

I'm an enemy of lies and misleading religions Tom, so if the cap fits wear it. 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Come, come. You are simply an enemy of Jehovah’s Witnesses and feel obliged to criticize everything they do. There is nothing wrong with the cart work.

I agree ... here in North Carolina we also have Drag Racing, and some people think it is deliberate torture to make them run with high heels.

[JOHN BUTLER]

29 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

And when God instructs this perfect earthly organization under Satan's rule to revise their teaching, what then? Where, is this "perfect" organization you conjured up. There is the NOW! Don't being worrying about the THEN, after judgment day, since your unrepentant state won't be allowed by Christ. There's a little clause in scripture about people that came to know the truth and then, refused it. 2 Timothy 3:5

A bit of a contradiction Billy. And when God instructs this perfect earthly organization under Satan's rule

It cannot be both. It can't be a perfect Org if it's under Satan's rule.

As for your crazy idea that I ever knew the truth whilst in JW Org, sorry, you are wrong. I was misled, just as millions of others are now. If God and Christ want me to know the real truth I'm sure i will. But I'll probably die first, then learn the truth in the resurrection. 

Ye of little faith Billy. 

[TrueTomHarley]

28 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

I think to have 4 JW's all counting their time whilst doing nothing is not good for getting God's work done, if indeed that was what they were trying to do.

Since you don’t know that it is, why do you bring it up?

Next thing you know, you will have everyone at the convention counting their time once a visitor walks into the auditorium.

[JOHN BUTLER]

5 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Since you don’t know that it is, why do you bring it up?

Next thing you know, you will have everyone at the convention counting their time once a visitor walks into the auditorium.

We'll agree to differ Tom. I think you are just being picky and wasting my time. 

Are you of the corporate class ? 

Corporate is an American comedy television series  (Wiki) Sounds about right. 

[TrueTomHarley]

2 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

I won't Tom i will be long dead.  

Come, come. Stop weaseling. This is not an answer. The question was: ‘‘How will you know when judgement is just a short way off yet?’

Planning to die real soon, are you?

2 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

But there will be an Organisation that stands tall above all others. A pure and truthful organisation run by true Anointed

If it is composed of anyone like the anointed ones of first-century Bible record, it will make some adjustments to changing times and circumstances. As soon as that happens, you will call them all liars. It is your pattern. There is no reason to think that would change.

2 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

It will suffer persecution because it will be so pure and good

You really don’t know how things work, do you?

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

6 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Are you of the corporate class ? 

WOW! Wahahaat a concept!

1.) ... an Earthly Class ... those of the "other sheep".

2.) ... a Heavenly Class ... those of the Anointed.

3.) ... a Corporate Class ... Watchtower Lawyers and Accountants.