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As had been vocal about this before. We must teach and educate our children, when it comes to things such as sex, when it comes to money, when it comes to child abuse, resolving conflicts, bullying, and a list of other things, we must also teach our children about strangers (Stranger Danger as said in America)

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The Bible points out to teach our children so they may be wisdom. For among many of the better solutions, education is key: 

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Also learn the statistics regarding child kidnapping, some items I will link below

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The United States of America

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The United Kingdom (EU)

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Note: It is far worse for children because in most cases they are often end up in human sex trafficking, others into slave labor. In the EU, specifically the UK, you have the Grooming Gangs, which has a network in EU. Others being forced as brides and or mates, regardless of the victim's sex.

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Note: The National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children provided some valuable information in the UK sources in the last link.

There's a lot more, but this will do.

My older post was directed to child abuse, but what is mentioned still applies, since child abuse services instruct parents and guardians to teach, we must do the same in other aspects of things such as about Strangers, be it the kidnapper is someone known or unknown:

 

Also another thing to note is even adults are kidnapped, primarily women, for as of recent a Florida woman who went to Costa-Rica on her 36th Birthday ended up vanishing, thus being kidnapped as some sources say, it is also noted that the driver was suspicious as well as some would say:

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While I was a little boy, I wanted to be a cop ... on a motorcycle. Later, in the age of teenage years, I liked films with martial arts. At the same time, my parents became JW and learned me differently. Then I became JW. And I did not become a cop who would hunt these bastards !!!
Today ... I'm not all that I could possibly become, but I'm not even a JW any more. I'm glad that I left.


The problem, with JW and similar groups, is that "they do not want to learn to fight", according to Isaiah verses.  But, they do not want to learn to defend themselves or others who need help in trouble, too. Adult JW or JW children should not go to self-defense courses because such an idea opposes JW's beliefs, religion. JW instruction, according to some biblical advice, is to scream loud, or run away. Sometimes that helps, but ..... to oppose the evil bastards you need much, much more. And I do not see, if God want to intervene (???) in your personal life (and not only in your life but in life of all other people who are victims), why He would not give you (and them) His approval in fighting against criminals. 

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Which government, religion, and institution can we think of that has mastered keeping our children safe. When their own parents can’t.

Does anyone here have a perfect plan and is qualified to implement that plan.

Sometimes child stealing is for ransom demands. Sometimes it comes from a deranged person that feels empty for not being able to have children of their own. Sometimes its ex's that take their children when one spouse is being uncooperative and unreasonable to the other biological parent. Can we see this video with a different understanding now?

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2 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Does anyone here have a perfect plan and is qualified to implement that plan.

 

As a matter of fact, Billy ... I do have a perfect plan (almost) than CAN be implemented.

 

2 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Which government, religion, and institution can we think of that has mastered keeping our children safe. When their own parents can’t.

Some parents can .... and do.

Happy thoughts will not make it happen.

A Brother who was later convicted of raping another Sister, and who is now in prison, backed off from pursuing my daughter because she told him " ... my Dad will kill you ... yes, he will go to prison, but you will be dead!", and he knew that was true.

In a similar manner, if the Society had a global non-negotiable policy of  "All reports or suspicions of child sexual abuse, without exception, will be reported to the Police, and all  other Civil Authorities.", and use the two witness rule for internal deliberations .... the threat of certain punishment would deter almost all of these potential cases, except for the retarded or insane.

You wanted a real answer that would actually work.

There ... you have it ....  in one sentence.

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1 hour ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Some parents can .... and do.

Happy thoughts will not make it happen.

A Brother who was later convicted of raping another Sister, and who is now in prison, backed off from pursuing my daughter because she told him " ... my Dad will kill you ... yes, he will go to prison, but you will be dead!", and he knew that was true.

In a similar manner, if the Society had a global non-negotiable policy of  "All reports or suspicions of child sexual abuse, without exception, will be reported to the Police, and all  other Civil Authorities.", and use the two witness rule for internal deliberations .... the threat of certain punishment would deter almost all of these potential cases, except for the retarded or insane.

 

There’s something to be said about pacifism. However, there are those that receive a threat with a grain of salt. My father will kill you is a perfect example, since a strong suiter can say, he can try before I kill him, and show you his body as a trophy.

Just as your unjustifiable stance as an outsider with the Watchtower policies. Police your own, that’s what it boils done too. Any society is incapable of finding the kind of solution dreamt in your head.

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I am aware of all of that, Billy .... but the Perp in question knew about me, and believed my daughter.

I NEVER verbally threaten anyone.

EVER.

23 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Any society is incapable of finding the kind of solution dreamt in your head.

As usual, you are wrong about that.

You need to get out more.

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19 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

"All reports or suspicions of child sexual abuse, without exception, will be reported to the Police, and all  other Civil Authorities.", and use the two witness rule for internal deliberations

This is the ideal procedure. I have never been able to think of an alternative. 

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@Srecko Sostar Scream Loud and Run Away? What Bible verse says that?

We should not be fighting anyone at all. Some people like to try and provoke JWs to fight so they can record that information to weaponize it.

A Christian can defend themselves but clearly cannot make an attempt to kill someone. 

This is the difference of a Christian who does this compared to a Christian who believes he can be armed to attack and kill a man, a woman, or a child if they are seen as a threat. 

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@James Thomas Rook Jr. But now you have to deal with the laws of the land in this sense regarding child abuse and reporting such, and the fact that some people tend to not get involved with such because it can put them at risk themselves and or their household.

 

That being said, I have cut all electronic use for 2-3 weeks now and had gone off-grid, so to speak. I do not recall making a thread on this matter, but making a response to someone, even mentioning 2 videos of girls escaping their captors.

 

Odd, true, but I guess information like this has to be reviewed thoroughly by others.

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@Srecko Sostar So then regarding what yous said

Are you willing to kill/inflict harm on to someone regarding an event or no? Regardless of the answer - as a Christian?

Not a lot of us have such problems, let alone have the need to even consider such, in my case, I am already as intimidating as it is, but am a nice guy, other times, as mention before, I was compared to a WWE wrestler and a NFL player a few times, for in the US, people tend to not mess with you depending on appearance most of the time, sometimes be it of race or background as well.

I have met with Christians who are not following the Bible all the way and are willing and ready to kill people with a firearm, a rifle and or other that puts you in Sheol before you can spell "God". One example is regarding what took place on a college some weeks ago regarding atheist, and to quote one Christian he says

  • Deus Vult (meaning God Wills) these guys have been ruining Christianity for the longest time, they deserve death and should be killed on sight.
  • Other commentor: Dude chill your corn rolls, Christians should not be in such position to say such things. The Bible says do not murder [or kill]
  • [the two went back and forth about the word "kill" and bible strongs and the first guy sees the other guy as not a true Christian]
  • You are not a True Christian, you Protestant scum, a Christian is not by word, but of action
  • Other Commentor: Is it 420 already? I'm not a Protestant you idiot, you got prove to back that up? Regardless of what you say, we as Christians SHOULD NOT BE DOING THESE THINGS OR WISHING DEATH ON ANY MAN.
  • These atheist should die or be killed, regardless if they are a man, a woman even a child
  • Other commentor: You are crazy, God does not want us to be killers, we are under a new covenant. Let this sink in, demon, Jesus stopped his disciple from attacking someone with a sword, although he manage to cut his ear, take in the lesson of what Jesus said.
  • [Onward from this discussion other Christians hopped in to expose this guy]

 

I am paraphrasing from memory, but this discussion was a big one, it took place under an RT News video regarding religion some weeks ago.

Clearly not a lot of Christians are for taking someone's life, mainly if you have not done it before, and there are those justifying the old law to partake in the killing when Jesus abolished such and clearly arguments like this will take place.

You can defend yourself, but you cannot and should not kill, and as in defense, you should be able to defend without inflicting bodily harm because that is wrong and such can and will be used against you to make you appear as the villain, the bad guy. So if someone provokes you and you harm them, they will make a case that Srecko Sostar has hit them, should it be a woman who has provoked you, you will be, especially in America, in a world of hurt because she can claim physical and or sexual violence when in reality she was the aggressor who has provoked you.

That being said, what is wrong with Prophet Isaiah? You do realize some of what he said is still intact regarding even Bible Principles, right? Or should we cherry pick and pretend what has been said to not have some sort of importance?

Also violence begets more violence. Defending oneself in ignorance can and will put you and or your family, friends, even a bystander at risk where they end up injured and or dead themselves, most of these cases take place around the world, one of the common places are areas like Brazil. An example, taking action on someone may result in that person following you to your home, to your job, seeking you out and will spare no mercy or pity to anyone else hurt in the pursuit.

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9 hours ago, Equivocation said:

@Srecko Sostar Scream Loud and Run Away? What Bible verse says that?

We should not be fighting anyone at all. Some people like to try and provoke JWs to fight so they can record that information to weaponize it.

A Christian can defend themselves but clearly cannot make an attempt to kill someone. 

This is the difference of a Christian who does this compared to a Christian who believes he can be armed to attack and kill a man, a woman, or a child if they are seen as a threat. 

React quickly. Scream. (

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On the other hand, what if a person’s life is threatened by an assailant? A law that God gave to ancient Israel sheds light on this. If a thief was caught in the daytime and was killed, the assailant would be charged with murder. This was evidently because thievery did not carry the death penalty and the thief could have been identified and brought to justice. However, if an intruder was fatally struck at night, the householder could be exonerated because it would be difficult for him to see what the intruder was doing and to ascertain the intentions of the intruder. The householder could reasonably conclude that his family was under threat of harm and take defensive action.—

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The Bible thus indicates that a person may defend himself or his family if physically assaulted. He may ward off blows, restrain the attacker, or even strike a blow to stun or incapacitate him. The intention would be to neutralize the aggression or stop the attack. This being the case, if the aggressor was seriously harmed or killed in such a situation, his death would be accidental and not deliberate. - 

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WELL now, if in publication (and in Bible Law) authors giving space for PHYSICALLY defend self, with unknown outcome of such fight, why JWorg ban members to learn how to defend ???? self and others from crime attack???

 

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1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

Also violence begets more violence. Defending oneself in ignorance can and will put you and or your family, friends, even a bystander at risk where they end up injured and or dead themselves, most of these cases take place around the world, one of the common places are areas like Brazil. An example, taking action on someone may result in that person following you to your home, to your job, seeking you out and will spare no mercy or pity to anyone else hurt in the pursuit.

Agree in general. But on other hand you can not stop violence without violence. Or to be said you can stop violence without violence in a few situations. NOT always, and not with people (attackers) who living for harm others. 

We can call that responsive/reacted violence as Justified violence, because we want to stop other to heart us. But as you aware,  you need some sort, some kind, some measure of Force to stop other to harm. Loud voice, scream,  can be viewed as some kind of  "weapon" to be used in stopping violent intention.  Raising a hand to prevent a kick is also a physical response, and you need reflex and skill how to prevent kick. And what to do after you have stopped first kick .... would you continue to only defending self if attacker continue to harm you or will it be possible to "neutralize" him in some way. Soft and mild words means nothing to some who have bad intentions.

At the end, Christians pray for Kingdom who will DESTROY all wicked. So, if Bible is book you believe, Bible say that Final Solution is Violence. Violence begets more violence .... from God.   

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The Policeman's  body language when he sat down on the edge of the table did the trick.

As Christians we should try to de-fuse any confrontations .... if we can.

Sometimes ... it does not depend upon us.

Knowing the techniques of how minds work is a necessary skill.

At 5AM, outside a hotel in Greenville, South Carolina, as I was going to my car to go to work, some guy came up to me and demanded money. He was very insistent.

In a calm low tone of voice I told him "I don't have any money ... in fact, if I emptied my gun in your stomach, I could not even afford more bullets."

He looks down, and sees my revolver.

"I want some money, man!"

I said "Let me be clear ... I am NOT going to give you any money."

He went away, and I went to work.

It's easier to be a peacemaker, when you "have the drop" on the bad guys, and they know it ..... AND ... you many times do not have to actually bet your life.

"STUFF HAPPENS", usually when you are not paying attention, or are a coward, and have what you think is a Bible Scripture to support that fear.

 

 

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11 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

WELL now, if in publication (and in Bible Law) authors giving space for PHYSICALLY defend self, with unknown outcome of such fight, why JWorg ban members to learn how to defend ???? self and others from crime attack???

An incompetent defense is no defense at all.

It's embarrassing to be killed because you were incompetent, and a fool.

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On 12/16/2018 at 4:02 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

Agree in general. But on other hand you can not stop violence without violence. Or to be said you can stop violence without violence in a few situations. NOT always, and not with people (attackers) who living for harm others. 

But even those who live in such conditions can deal with aggressors without the means of violence.

On 12/16/2018 at 4:02 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

We can call that responsive/reacted violence as Justified violence, because we want to stop other to heart us. But as you aware,  you need some sort, some kind, some measure of Force to stop other to harm. Loud voice, scream,  can be viewed as some kind of  "weapon" to be used in stopping violent intention.  Raising a hand to prevent a kick is also a physical response, and you need reflex and skill how to prevent kick. And what to do after you have stopped first kick .... would you continue to only defending self if attacker continue to harm you or will it be possible to "neutralize" him in some way. Soft and mild words means nothing to some who have bad intentions.

Not always a scream and or loud shouts can prevent an attack. In most cases it only encourages the attacker to continue, should the aggressor intent is to inflict harm out of hate, to rob, to rape, to send a message, in regards to gangs, affiliation should a kill is needed, thus people whoa re unaware ends up making themselves a target, otherwise they are just targeted.

In terms of what @Equivocation had said, you can defend yourself by blocking, and or preventing a blow from coming your way, therefore, self-defense in this sense can be used, grappling and or subduing. Self-Defense in regarding to striking a deadly blow and or to cripple is something you would not be doing at all, more so, you having the intent do commit heavy injury, even kill, it only put blood on your hands, mainly when you give in to some form of emotion in the moment and adrenaline rush.

In you want my experience, most aggressors will not go after people who are seen as intimidating, hence why I do not have this problem, however to someone who is not in my position, the aggressor would try to go after them, even if the person and or victim is unaware of ignorant of his or her surroundings.

On 12/16/2018 at 4:02 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

At the end, Christians pray for Kingdom who will DESTROY all wicked. So, if Bible is book you believe, Bible say that Final Solution is Violence. Violence begets more violence .... from God.   

Vengeance is not in your hands, it is in God's hands, for God is a God of Justice. However you can defend yourself without inflict harm, injury and or death to the aggressor.

On 12/16/2018 at 3:34 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

React quickly. Scream. (

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) Escape or fight back using the  element of surprise. And, if possible, run to a safe place and call the police. 
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This attest to the practice of combat in terms of sharp vigilance, being aware of your surroundings, the people around you, who you are near and or with, and so forth, and the focus, as picked up from the examples is in regards to being in places whereas there are people around, although most people tend to suffer the Bystander Effect, but there will be some, if in some cases, who will take action in your behalf should you be in trouble. 

This allows you to call the police and or seek help and or go to a safe place. Active Self Protection promotes to get out of the danger zone and always be compliant.

You need an attitude, you need the skills and a plan. You cannot build a house without a plan and the skills to do it, likewise, when it comes to your safety.

On 12/16/2018 at 3:34 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

SECOND INSTRUCTION:

On the other hand, what if a person’s life is threatened by an assailant? A law that God gave to ancient Israel sheds light on this. If a thief was caught in the daytime and was killed, the assailant would be charged with murder. This was evidently because thievery did not carry the death penalty and the thief could have been identified and brought to justice. However, if an intruder was fatally struck at night, the householder could be exonerated because it would be difficult for him to see what the intruder was doing and to ascertain the intentions of the intruder. The householder could reasonably conclude that his family was under threat of harm and take defensive action.—

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The Bible thus indicates that a person may defend himself or his family if physically assaulted. He may ward off blows, restrain the attacker, or even strike a blow to stun or incapacitate him. The intention would be to neutralize the aggression or stop the attack. This being the case, if the aggressor was seriously harmed or killed in such a situation, his death would be accidental and not deliberate. - 

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Pretty much the point that was discus.

You can defend yourself, even having the know how to self defense without inflicting harm to someone, should they attempt to harm you, with self defense skills you can block, you can kick and so forth.

However, you will also have provokers, who will attempt to get you to fight, having the right attitude you can spot this to evade problems because this type of aggressor wants to get something out of you - a show, in order to slander you.

On 12/16/2018 at 3:34 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

WELL now, if in publication (and in Bible Law) authors giving space for PHYSICALLY defend self, with unknown outcome of such fight, why JWorg ban members to learn how to defend ???? self and others from crime attack???

They only tell their members they cannot inflict pain, harm, injury and or death. They can defense themselves without commit to any form of violence. In fact, there are those who in this domain who teaches this time of self-defense.

Now in an example, @Equivocation is a teenager, you are an adult,  and let's add Rook in this for the fun of learning, which of the two are you are most likely to be targeted? Another question I would pose the both of you is if you were both in a situation, let's say a Gas Station in Florida, a conflict rose up on one side of the Gas Station and a guy pulls out a crowbar and threatens to swing it at another man, the other guy pulls out a gun whereas you guys are nearby.What would be your attitude? Your Skill? And your Plan? Among all 3 that unifies all of them, what is the most important thing that one must do? Obvious screaming and shouting in this scenario will only make you a victim in this semi-public place.... And it's Florida.

On 12/16/2018 at 4:15 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

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Calming "violent" man with knife.

Off the bat, one thing I will tell you about Knife Attacks is that it is very, very, VERY HIGH in the United Kingdom, such as London, and Knife Attacks are very common. The same can be said for Asian countries. It is not as common in Russia however there was one knife attack, one of which I had seen whereas a lone woman was stab over and over and over again even though she had died - in a case like this the killer knew the person and how these attacks are fashioned, such things is evident.

An Aggressor with a Knife will draw you in, with gripping the knife in his or her other hand whereas someone with a guy will push you away with his or her free arm vs. the knife wielder.

Most of the time knife attacks will happen should the aggressor want to rob you, it is a different story if it is racism and or hating one's religion, examples would be Muslim woman for example in the UK, be it adult and or teen, knife wielders have not just their religion, but their race and or background and will spare no second in an attack, even while in a public place because they know they can commit the action before anyone reacts.

That being said, it all comes down to knowing things. Such as a disarm, you can disarm a knife from someone by means of wrestling it out of a person's hands without commit harm and or injury, and if you are that skilled, you can do the same with a gun.

But compliance in most cases is key, other items you will need a plan or two, a couple, in place.

On 12/15/2018 at 6:05 PM, Equivocation said:

@Srecko Sostar Scream Loud and Run Away? What Bible verse says that?

We should not be fighting anyone at all. Some people like to try and provoke JWs to fight so they can record that information to weaponize it.

A Christian can defend themselves but clearly cannot make an attempt to kill someone. 

This is the difference of a Christian who does this compared to a Christian who believes he can be armed to attack and kill a man, a woman, or a child if they are seen as a threat. 

Self-Defense without commit harm, injury and or killing.

And you are right, you should not take the life of and or seriously arm the aggressor.

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On 12/16/2018 at 3:12 PM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

An incompetent defense is no defense at all.

It's embarrassing to be killed because you were incompetent, and a fool.

The mistake many by a lot of people. Mainly those who attempt to fight back with 0% chance of winning the confrontation. At that point it is a one way ticket to sleeping in Sheol, only to way up some unknown years later during the Resurrection and say to yourself.

"Wow! I really messed up that time"

That being said, one has to be thinking, clearly and quickly, and not be lollygagging.

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11 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

You need an attitude, you need the skills and a plan. You cannot build a house without a plan and the skills to do it, likewise, when it comes to your safety.

Of course. Perhaps JWorg can start to produce that sort of video and cartoons to prepare own people for such moments because it is going from bad to worse. Naturally, practical exercises should also be included.

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On 12/18/2018 at 2:26 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

Of course. Perhaps JWorg can start to produce that sort of video and cartoons to prepare own people for such moments because it is going from bad to worse. Naturally, practical exercises should also be included.

Such an act is not something to be professed by those of any Christendom faith and or Islamic faith and or other.

That being said, I provided a scenario to you, Equivo and Rook - how would you 3 go about the situation? what would you do?

Since something of the like has been brought up by you, stuff like this one must be serious about.

An example I can being up today is a young man died today even though he complied (though in this rare situation, this guy was seeking blood), I will leave it at that, and since the killer is at large, the community of which I am speaking about is at an edge as police seeks the murderer. A close friend of mine knew the person, and was nearly victim only due to the fact he fell a slept at work for a mere 15 minutes, should he have chosen to go out to that area that was targeted, about 15 minutes a day, he would be in a morgue as we speak.

 

Things like this we have to be serious about.

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      In his report to Police Chief Supt. Roel B. Obusan, acting director of the CIDG, Tamayo said operatives composed of the NCR-CIDG based in Region 9 and Naval Intelligence Security Group-Western Mindanao, apprehended the suspect at Sta. Maria, Zamboanga City, on Thursday.

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      Obusan said the arrest was made possible by virtue of a warrant of arrest with Criminal Case No. 815-3 for six counts of Kidnapping and Serious Illegal Detention with Ransom issued by the Regional Trial Court (RTC) 9th Judicial Region, Branch 4, in Parang, Sulu.
      Tamayo said that aside from the kidnapping of six Jehovah’s Witnesses, the suspect was also included in Criminal Case Numbers 122473H-122493H for kidnapping and Serious Illegal Detention (21 counts) issued by the Pasig City Regional Trial Court Branch 262 for the kidnapping of 10 Malaysians, nine Europeans and two Filipino resort workers in Sipadan Island, Malaysia, in 2000.
      Tamayo added that the suspect has a monetary reward of P600,000 as per Department of National Defense (DND) and Department of the Interior and Local Government (DILG) joint order on reward number 15-2012 dated November 2012.
      The suspect is presently detained at the CIDG-NCR lock-up cell for documentation and proper disposition prior to his turn over to the court concerned.


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