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'I Do Not Know Why We Persecute Jehovah's Witnesses,' Putin Says

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Like @@James Thomas Rook Jr., I cannot think that a politician as wiley and experienced as Mr Putin would use the word "persecute" in connection with his own government's activity.  As suggested above, the word "prosecute" makes far more sense and indeed a statement as quoted: 

2 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Jehovah's Witnesses are also Christians, for which I do not really understand how it is (meaning "why?") we prosecute them.

is no less an indictment on the persecution (intended use) of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russis and is really more credible.

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5 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

do NOT believe that he used the word "persecute".  I believe this was in the mind of the translator, or the algorithm of the translation computer program,  ... 

It’s possible.

10 hours ago, JW Insider said:
prosecute преследовать, судебного преследования, обвинить, наказывать, уголовное преследование, сажать, осудить
persecute преследовать
harass  

Why doesn’t JWI stay in his ivory egghead tower? He has caused the unthinkable to happen...that my nemesis should become a bastion of truth.

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14 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

I still, in my own mind, assuming that I know the mind of Russian thinking ... especially of a man who used to be the head of the Soviet KGB, and also presumably knowing how adults in such positions think, do NOT believe that he used the word "persecute".  I believe this was in the mind of the translator, or the algorithm of the translation computer program,  ... NOT V. Putin.

JTR: I agree with you here. If you look at the entire meeting, the word "prosecute" was used in the translation a few of the other times, even in similar contexts. Judicial prosecution was already the topic here in nearly every case discussed, but the overall topic is a wider context than the auto-translator AI looks at. The fact that the name of a minority was used in the sentence, "Jehovah's Witnesses," and that the word "Christians" was in the immediate context, this is what probably triggered the translation, "persecute" instead of "prosecute."

Of course, this is still a very important admission as @Outta Here has said, and it's in line with what you were thinking about Putin being the one to get it straightened out, if it reaches to a high enough priority. There were several interesting admissions in the meeting, and Putin comes across as very professional, careful, knowledgeable and "wiley." He is just defensive enough to protect himself from various questionable decisions by judges, admits problems with some laws, understands some of the PR issues with the rest of the world, etc. But he also doesn't commit to overturn questionable actions, and doesn't want to give in too much, to avoid the impression, for example, that future amnesty can be counted on, based on past or current amnesty. 

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Even an inverted barley flapjack soaks up the syrup sometimes. 

Because it was @James Thomas Rook Jr., I followed the normal course of wisdom and asked him what had he been smoking.

But now it seems more likely that Putin did indeed say “prosecute,” a term familiar to his world, and not “persecute,” a term not.

 It probably amounts to the same thing. What, is he suggesting that they should be rounded up and detained without prosecution? 

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1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

It probably amounts to the same thing. What, is he suggesting that they should be rounded up and detained without prosecution? 

No, TTH, it probably does NOT amount to the same thing.  The two words have nuances that make them completely different ... which is what this WHOLE CONVERSATION has been about.

Words have intonation, flavor, nuance, and emotional indexes, depending on culture, context, and time and circumstance of usage.

Soft words in one language are hard words in another.  The same word used in street slang, an Elder's meeting, and in a court of law will be quite different, due to "environmental" factors, and common usage.

Once again, you are trying to soften and justify that you are wrong.

.... And as to your question ... if you don't understand the answer intuitively, an explanation is beyond the amount of work I want to devote to an answer.

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14 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

if you don't understand the answer intuitively, an explanation is beyond the amount of work I want to devote to an answer.

What do you think? Do his words indicate he’s about to ratchet up the pressure?

No insults, please. (Be like me.) Tell me what you think.

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