RECLAIMED VOICES new letter to JW brothers and sisters.

[Srecko Sostar]

28 minutes ago, Anna said:

“Within the congregation, ours is a spiritual protection...we are talking about physical protection, that is up to the secular authorities to provide”

Well yes! Do you hear anyone arguing that point? No, because it is true! You yourself have said the Elders are not the police. So now you want them to act like the police?

Defending the weaker from stronger in any form, spiritual or physical is obligation to all, inside or outside the JW  community. 

Bible is full of examples where crude force is allowed to protect other person !!!!!!!!!!!  ... to safe animals too. 

This short part in video is example how sometimes people on position and their lawyers want to avoid the truth and responsibility. ARC testimonies repeated this issue and showed how Australian elder have no interest to help children outside his congregation if pedophile is in their midst. Shameful. Anna, please do stop to protect those who are not protecting the weakest in society (JW society or outside)!  

[Shiwiii]

Romans13

1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

 

How come this does not come into the minds of jws when talking about CSA and the authorities? 

[Anna]

23 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

If conversation about this issue can make frustration of sort inside this circle of us who talking from distance to each other, imagine what heavy and hard and painful it is for those who experienced this things and must be in face to face situation ! 

Yes. This goes for both, the survivor/victim and those who are asked to handle the situation.

[Shiwiii]

28 minutes ago, Anna said:

Correct, they are not bound by scripture if there is no law to report to the police.

Romans 13 says they are bound by means of doing what is good. 

[Anna]

1 minute ago, Shiwiii said:

Romans13

1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

 

How come this does not come into the minds of jws when talking about CSA and the authorities? 

You are funny. This is what we have been talking about. When the law of the land "the authorities" obligate a person who has heard of an allegation of CSA to report to the authorities, then JWs will report to the authorities.

[Shiwiii]

12 minutes ago, Anna said:

This is irrelevant. You are making the mistake of mixing two separate things together. You do not need two witnesses to make a report to the police. This is only for congregational action.

so why doesn't the policy state to bring it up to the police? 

Would they if it was murder?     it is in a sense murder, murder of their innocence. 

[Shiwiii]

Just now, Anna said:

You are funny. This is what we have been talking about. When the law of the land "the authorities" obligate a person who has heard of an allegation of CSA to report to the authorities, then JWs will report to the authorities.

so jws have to wait until forced to what is good? 

[Anna]

3 minutes ago, Shiwiii said:

Romans 13 says they are bound by means of doing what is good. 

Yes. And that is what they will try to do.

[Anna]

1 minute ago, Shiwiii said:

so jws have to wait until forced to what is good? 

Of course not. You were the one making the point.

[Shiwiii]

Just now, Anna said:

Yes. And that is what they will try to do.

only if forced by the law of the land, otherwise.....SHHhhhhhhhh  don't tell anyone because it will make jehovah sad. 

[Shiwiii]

1 minute ago, Anna said:

Of course not. You were the one making the point.

actually no, YOU said it. 

 

4 minutes ago, Anna said:

When the law of the land "the authorities" obligate a person who has heard of an allegation of CSA to report to the authorities, then JWs will report to the authorities.

 

[Anna]

3 minutes ago, Shiwiii said:

so why doesn't the policy state to bring it up to the police? 

 

Do you have to be told??  I thought you said one does not have to be told these things. Even the police do not tell a survivor/victim they have to talk to them (the police).