Fossils are not millions of years old

[Srecko Sostar]

10 hours ago, Arauna said:

Jehovah's spirit helps with the rest and an honest and unbiased spirit helps to find the truth.

Ops, issue of spirit again. According to some explanations Spirit works by spirit power. Manifestations of spirit power can be material or spiritual, i guess. Today it seems how this spirit not created material things. Also this spirit, according to some explanations not making powerful works in healing people, to rise up the dead people, no miracle feeding with bread, also not making people to speak what spirit want them to speak, etc.  Also, according to GB, nowadays people can not be inspired by this spirit (but only can be guided and motivated).

Well, i can not understand statements How this spirit helps with the rest, when he is not functioning today as spirit usually working as it is described in Bible? 

Also,  What is the difference in wording and more important what/how looks differences in  manifestation when;

- spirit inspired you, (spirit not inspired you)

- spirit guided you, (spirit not guided you)

- spirit motivated you, (spirit not motivated you)

How JW can recognized, differentiate and explain when one of this spirit acting is in progress?  

[JOHN BUTLER]

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Ops, issue of spirit again. According to some explanations Spirit works by spirit power. Manifestations of spirit power can be material or spiritual, i guess. Today it seems how this spirit not created material things. Also this spirit, according to some explanations not making powerful works in healing people, to rise up the dead people, no miracle feeding with bread, also not making people to speak what spirit want them to speak, etc.  Also, according to GB, nowadays people can not be inspired by this spirit (but only can be guided and motivated).

Well, i can not understand statements How this spirit helps with the rest, when he is not functioning today as spirit usually working as it is described in Bible? 

Also,  What is the difference in wording and more important what/how looks differences in  manifestation when;

- spirit inspired you, (spirit not inspired you)

- spirit guided you, (spirit not guided you)

- spirit motivated you, (spirit not motivated you)

How JW can recognized, differentiate and explain when one of this spirit acting is in progress?  

Srecko I can understand your point.  The GB / JW Org play with words here.  

But I think that any REAL Anointed person would be inspired of Holy Spirit.  Doesn't God's Holy Spirit enter in to them in such a way that they know they are Anointed ?        Galatians 4 v 6&7. 

Now because you are sons, God has sent the spirit of his Son into our hearts, and it cries out:“Abba, Father!” ⁷  So you are no longer a slave but a son; and if a son, then you are also an heir through God.

Being a son and heir is surely being of the Anointed, and thus they have God's spirit 'in their hearts'. Surely that is inspired of Holy Spirit. 

[JW Insider]

4 hours ago, Arauna said:

About the age of things -  ah - that is another subject......

Of course, per the title of this thread, it is THE subject. I hoped we could get into it a bit more here.

You made some interesting points and it shows you have really looked into the topic. I don't know enough about the topic yet to know what the evolutionist's counter-arguments would be. It's something I just don't try to get into with others, at least in person. Having the topic here might encourage those like you to keep contributing some good information.

From what I can tell, since the 1980's, the Society has COMPLETELY dropped the 7,000 year day idea, and they have said nothing against the possibility that some of these "days" could be millions of years long. So there is even the possibility that some fossils could be 541 million years old.

I didn't pay much attention to the previous thread from which this one broke off, but I see that you are using C14 evidence to date ALL fossils on the order of thousands instead of millions of years. Without looking, of course, I'm sure there is a counter-argument among scientists, and I'd be interested in looking it up to see which argument has the best evidence behind it.

[The Librarian]

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Ops, issue of spirit again. According to some explanations Spirit works by spirit power. Manifestations of spirit power can be material or spiritual, i guess. Today it seems how this spirit not created material things. Also this spirit, according to some explanations not making powerful works in healing people, to rise up the dead people, no miracle feeding with bread, also not making people to speak what spirit want them to speak, etc.  Also, according to GB, nowadays people can not be inspired by this spirit (but only can be guided and motivated).

Well, i can not understand statements How this spirit helps with the rest, when he is not functioning today as spirit usually working as it is described in Bible? 

Also,  What is the difference in wording and more important what/how looks differences in  manifestation when;

- spirit inspired you, (spirit not inspired you)

- spirit guided you, (spirit not guided you)

- spirit motivated you, (spirit not motivated you)

How JW can recognized, differentiate and explain when one of this spirit acting is in progress?  

How can @Srecko Sostar and @JOHN BUTLER learn to stay on topic?

Let's see... the main Topic title is...... wait for it....... FOSSILS!!

Your Topic is..... SPIRIT.....

Let me see..... maybe I can add to this conversation....

I LOVE TACOS! 

[Arauna]

To me - the bible cannot be separate and science cannot be separate.  Where the  bible does not give guidance we can see if a science idea fits - if it does not fit in with the bible (such as a ploy to negate intelligent design) then it should be rejected.

Jehovah is after all the great scientist, father of logic and reality. 

I have no problem understanding that the earth and heavens were created and then lay fallow for a long time until it was ready to prepare for life.  It obviously took some time for the earth to cool down and produce the water on the surface as well as the thick cloud of gasses above the surface.  

I think logic regarding the science we have available together with bible can explain a lot of things.

 

[JOHN BUTLER]

17 minutes ago, The Librarian said:

How can @Srecko Sostar and @JOHN BUTLER learn to stay on topic?

Let's see... the main Topic title is...... wait for it....... FOSSILS!!

Your Topic is..... SPIRIT.....

Let me see..... maybe I can add to this conversation....

I LOVE TACOS! 

Are but topic also contains time period. So I related that to the teaching of the JW org about each Creative day being 7,000 years long.

And please note in one of my comments I did apologise for being off topic  

It seems that things just 'evolve'  ... On no, but yes, back to fossils. 

 

 

 

[JW Insider]

26 minutes ago, The Librarian said:

I LOVE TACOS! 

I made tacos last night. I ate 4. My wife ate 4 (usually eats 2), and my sons came over and ate about 8 between them. I make tacos once every two weeks. Soft corn tortillas are very inexpensive, but I also buy a small box of the crispy "Ortega" hard shells. I find that shopping for the ingredients is simple, because I just imagine a taco and the order in which I always put the items on it. Problem is that the store is set up in such a way that I have to buy the ingredients all out of order. I buy a head of lettuce, a small bag of limes, 2 tomatoes, 1 onion, 1 jalapeno pepper, 1 bunch of cilantro, hard tortillas, salsa, hamburger, cheddar cheese, sour cream, soft tortillas. (Other spices and hot sauce etc are already in the house.) In my youth, I used to fry the soft tortillas in corn oil, but now, I have evolved. I just put a cookie pan in the oven and put a layer of soft tortillas on the bottom and then stand up the hard tortillas on top of them, and another flat layer of soft tortillas on top of the hard ones. This way the crispy ones will bake but will be protected from getting too brown on the portion that is nearest the electric elements of the oven. I can start shopping at 5pm and be completely done chopping the ingredients, cooking the hamburger, and baking the tortillas to serve tacos by 5:55.

I find that the leftover lettuce, cilantro, and salsa doesn't stay fresh enough for two weeks so I use it for salads and spaghetti sauce within the next week. Also, if there are any tortillas, cheese, onions, tomatoes, jalapeno, etc., left over I just sprinkle it all onto flat tortillas and bake them into "chips" for dessert, which can last through the next day.

Sunday morning I make scrambled eggs. But mostly, I like tacos. I'm kind of set in my ways. Like an old fossil.

[Srecko Sostar]

16 minutes ago, The Librarian said:

How can @Srecko Sostar and @JOHN BUTLER learn to stay on topic?

Let's see... the main Topic title is...... wait for it....... FOSSILS!!

Your Topic is..... SPIRIT.....

Let me see..... maybe I can add to this conversation....

I LOVE TACOS! 

Thanks Librarian for little "rebuke".  But Fossils (in fact living Creatures at first, before death), in Creation view on matter, will not be possible to find in the ground (or else) and in this topic today too, if the Spirit did not create them. No matter how much we want some words will be part of text no matter of main context.

[Srecko Sostar]

5 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

I made tacos last night. I ate 4. My wife ate 4 (usually eats 2), and my sons came over and ate about 8 between them. I make tacos once every two weeks. Soft corn tortillas are very inexpensive, but I also buy a small box of the crispy "Ortega" hard shells. I find that shopping for the ingredients is simple, because I just imagine a taco and the order in which I always put the items on it. Problem is that the store is set up in such a way that I have to buy the ingredients all out of order. I buy a head of lettuce, a small bag of limes, 2 tomatoes, 1 onion, 1 jalapeno pepper, 1 bunch of cilantro, hard tortillas, salsa, hamburger, cheddar cheese, sour cream, soft tortillas. (Other spices and hot sauce etc are aleady in the house.) In my youth, I used to fry the soft tortillas in corn oil, but now I just put a cookie pan in the oven and put a layer of soft tortillas on the bottom and then stand up the hard tortillas on top of them, and another flat layer of soft tortillas on top of the hard ones. This way the crispy ones will back but will be protected from getting too brown on the portion that is nearest the electric elements of the oven. I can start shopping at 5pm and be completely done chopping the ingredients, cooking the hamburger, and baking the tortillas to serve tacos by 5:55.

I find that the leftover lettuce, cilantro, and salsa doesn't stay fresh enough for two weeks so I use it for salads and spaghetti sauce within the next week. Also, if there are any tortillas, cheese, onions, tomatoes, jalapeno, etc., left over I just sprinkle it all onto flat tortillas and bake them into "chips" for dessert, which can last through the next day.

Sunday morning I make scrambled eggs. But mostly, I like tacos.

Dear JW Insider. This is an open provocation to Librarian. You are  1 light year out of topic with tacos recipe :)))))))))

[Arauna]

To me - I feel like I am in school if I cannot stray off subject sometimes.  I am not writing a paper....  I am just in a discussion.  The mind always seeks new ideas to explore... So, I am not here to provide people with my research... or to prove something.  I just give them ideas to go and study for themselves. 

I always write from memory... things I have read.... It will take a lot of time to go find the proof  where I read it.

Unfortunately it will be a little harder to study the kind of fossil which loves tacos!  

[JW Insider]

5 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Dear JW Insider. This is an open provocation to Librarian. You are  1 light year out of topic with tacos recipe :)))))))))

True. I apologize to @The Librarian. I know that he or she had just broken off this particular topic to a new thread which is a bit of a hassle in itself. I pushed the envelope a bit, but mostly to just highlight how the Librarian was correct. Completely new topics can be frustrating. But to the small group participating in this topic, I think it was understandable that Watchtower doctrine of the seven thousand year day would come into this. That would inevitably lead to why there are changes to our doctrines. That would inevitably lead to a discussion of the spiritual guidance of the GB (because it was already a concurrent discussion among a couple of the participants, here).

On a serious note, I think it would be better to just say that there is a discussion about the GB that includes the topic of spirit direction already in progress, so that this part of the topic can be continued over there.

[JOHN BUTLER]

It is good to see that people have a sense of humour and we can indeed thank Jehovah for that. 

I have another topic but must have a cup of coffee first. I'm spending toooo much time on this computer, but it is spiritually upbuilding. 

Have a good day as much as possible.