Jump to content
The World News Media

GB MEMBER KENNETH COOK, JR. AND THE WATCHTOWER HOUSE


Witness

Recommended Posts

  • Member

The Watchtower House is struggling to maintain its self-appointed reputation as a “spiritual paradise”.  It is facing a financial crisis of large proportions partly due to exposure of its past hidden pedophile issues, which may be contributing to necessary downsizing world-wide.  Corruption of values at Bethel is finally becoming fully exposed; not only by those who have left Bethel but it is clearly evident by the governing body’s attempt to address pertinent issues via their broadcasting center. 

They have released a new video, and it is the first to be presented by its most recent member, Kenneth Cook, Jr.  In a soft-spoken manner, he broached the delicate topic of being honest when applying for Bethel/construction work, expressing also the need for physical, moral and spiritual cleanliness.

He says,

“Before submitting an application or expanded theocratic service, it’s important to consider prayerfully how you’ll respond to the questions on the application.

HEBREWS 13:18 SAYS, WE WISH TO CONDUCT OURSELVES HONESTLY IN ALL THINGS.

So you should be honest in answering the questions on the application, especially those that have to do with your physical health and spiritual health.“

Dare I go into the organization’s dishonest acts against Christ’s sheep, of misleading them with consistent lies?  Their acts of plagiarism, double-speak, failed prophesies, reasons for disfellowshipping and “trampling” the Temple of God promoted by a Wicked Slave, all speak candidly of the Watchtower’s little practice in regard to honesty in all things.  Matt 24:15; Rev 11:1,2;2 Thess 2:3,4; Matt 24:48-51   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+24%3A15%3B+Rev+11%3A1%2C2%3B2+Thess+2%3A3%2C4%3B+Matt+24%3A48-51&version=CSB

Please notice this one example from a book that has been widely used by JWs to lead “Bible studies” into the organization and what is fondly called, “the truth”.  This concerns one’s dedication at baptism:

“Going beneath the water symbolizes that you have died to your former life course. Being raised up out of the water indicates that you are now alive to do the will of God. Remember, too, that you have made a dedication to Jehovah God himself, NOT TO A WORK, A CAUSE, OTHER HUMANS, OR AN ORGANIZATION. Your dedication and baptism are the beginning of a very close friendship with God—an intimate relationship with him.”  (What Does the Bible Really Teach? p. 184)

 

On the day of baptism, what question must the newly indoctrinated ones “answer in the affirmative”?

"Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses IN ASSOCIATION WITH God's spirit-directed ORGANIZATION?" Watchtower 1985 Jun 1 p.30

At that point, the prospective candidates are fully trapped before an audience of possibly thousands. Col 2:8; Rev 13:10  Will they remember what they read in their study book and rethink their upcoming baptism, or will they be caught in the moment of emotional elation, eager to fulfill a vow and join “Jehovah’s organization”?

If one was to answer “no” to this second baptism question, the organization would disqualify the individual from becoming “an ordained minister of Jehovah”. This, in spite of what they learned during cozy Bible studies conducted in their own home, by usually “two witnesses” who were to impart scriptural truth.  Amos 3:5; (Matt 18:16)  (wt 17 April p. 4-8, par.11)   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Col+2%3A8%3B+Rev+13%3A10%3B+Amos+3%3A5%3B+Matt+18%3A16+++&version=CSB

 

In the Watchtower, one’s “intimate relationship with God” is fully dependent on  “work” toward the “cause” outlined by false teachers, which is to bolster an organization.  How twisted it all becomes, very early in the life of a JW. 

Working toward a human cause is the underlying theme of Mr. Cook’s video:

“Submitting your application may open a door of opportunity to serve Jehovah and his organization in a variety of ways.  Of course, there’s a place or everyone in Jehovah’s service.  Whether we’re working hard as a congregation publisher, a regular pioneer, a Bethelite, or on a theocratic construction project we have the satisfaction of knowing that Jehovah treasures all that we’re doing because of our heartfelt love for him.  Heb 6:10 says, ‘God is not unrighteous so as to forget your work and the love you showed for his name by ministering and continuing to minister to the holy ones.’”

His use of this scripture is his attempt to imply JWs are slaving for God; which is in error.  Instead, it is the governing body and its Wild Beast stinging locust-scorpion army.    Rev. 13:1,2,5-7,9:1-4;13:11,12,14-17  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.+13%3A1%2C2%2C5-7%2C9%3A1-4%3B13%3A11%2C12%2C14-17&version=CSB

 

Hopefully, this post will help you understand that God does not treasure any effort done on behalf of “Jehovah’s organization”.  What caught my attention was Mr. Cook’s use of Ps 127:1

He said, “regardless of where we are serving, we need Jehovah’s blessing to be successful.”

A Song of Ascents. Of Solomon.

“Unless the Lord builds a house,
its builders labor over it in vain;
unless the Lord watches over a city,
the watchman stays alert in vain.”  (CSB)

From an earlier post, I had said -

 Solomon proclaimed that the temple he would build for God, would be “a great spiritual temple”; and it was for a fact, a magnificent physical achievement.  He exclaimed, “And the temple which I build will be great, for our God is greater than all gods.  But who is able to build Him a temple, since heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain Him? Who am I then, that I should build Him a temple, except to burn sacrifice before Him?” 2 Chron 2:5,6 (9); 2 Chron 6:2  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Chron+2%3A9%3B+6%3A2&version=NKJV

Still, “the glory of the Lord had filled the Lord’s house”, even though God’s words to David reveal to us a greater temple that was to come – the anointed Body of Christ.  2 Chron 7:1,2,12; 5:13; John 2:19-22; 1 Chron 14:11; 1 Chron 17:9-14

Something greater than Solomon is here, and it isn’t the Watchtower leaders and their earthly organization.  Matt 12:42

“HE – Jesus Christ -  shall build Me a HOUSE, and I will establish his throne forever.” 1 Chron 17:12 

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Chron+7%3A1%2C2%2C12%3B+5%3A13%3B+John+2%3A19-22%3B+1+Chron+14%3A11%3B+1+Chron+17%3A9-14%3BMatt+12%3A42&version=NKJV

 

Consider the quote from Watchtower’s “Insight” Book, pp. 513,514: 

“Peter quoted and applied to Jesus Christ this prophecy (Isa 28:16) regarding the “foundation cornerstone” on which individual ANOINTED Christians are built up as “living stones,” TO BECOME A SPIRITUAL HOUSE OR TEMPLE . (1Pe 2:4-6) 

Dear JWs, are you able to discern that the House you are working for doesn’t belong to God? Can you perceive that your laboring for the Watchtower is in vain?  Which “House” do you believe God expects us to support and will give His blessing upon?  Warwick’s Bethel which the organization still attempts to hoist onto a pedestal? Rev 13:1,4  Or, is it God’s Temple House in the anointed ones and reflected in the deeper meaning behind Ps 127?   1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16; Eph 2:20-22   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+13%3A1%2C4%3B+1+Cor+3%3A16%2C17%3B+2+Cor+6%3A16%3B+Eph+2%3A20-22++&version=CSB

Further in Ps 127:

In vain you get up early and stay up late,
working hard to have enough food—

yes, he gives such things to his loved ones while they sleep.”

Back to Heb 6, and verses 7,8:

“For the ground that drinks the rain that often falls on it and that produces vegetation useful to those for whom it is cultivated receives a blessing from God. But if it produces THORNS AND THISTLES, it is worthless and about to be cursed, and at the end will be burned.”

Watchtower’s Bethel is not sanctioned by God as His dwelling.  Acts 17:24  No matter how much effort an individual labors for the Beast/organization, they will awaken each day, still spiritually hungry.  Amos 8:11  A false priesthood is incapable of producing the same life-giving “bread” as God’s House built on Christ’s true anointed priests. John 6:35; 1 Cor 10:17; Rom 12:1,5; 1 Pet 2:5,9 Yet, in the Watchtower House a “disgusting thing” - “thorns and thistles”- stands and rules over, the true spiritual House/Temple of God. Ezek 2:6,7; Hos 10:8; Rev 11:1,2 

 The spiritual food they present you, and approved by a Wicked Slave/Harlot/FALSE PROPHET is “worthless”.  Matt 7:15-20;13:7; Rev 9:5    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+17%3A24%3B+Amos+8%3A11%3B+John+6%3A35%3B+1+Cor+10%3A17%3B+Rom+12%3A1%2C5%3B+1+Pet+2%3A5%2C9%3B++Ezek+2%3A6%2C7%3B+Hos+10%3A8%3B+Rev+11%3A1%2C2%3B+Matt+7%3A15-20%3B13%3A7%3B+Rev+9%3A5+&version=NKJV

From Pearl Doxsey’s article, “Where is Bethel?"

Where would the location of God's Temple be, in our physical realm? 
Christ is the cornerstone of that Temple, and the living stones added upon the foundation of apostles and prophets (Eph.2:20-22), are those whom God chooses...
the humble, dejected by the world, and God-fearing. His spirit comes to dwell within them (1Pet.2:51Cor.3:16,96:19Heb.3:6;Luke 17:211Cor.2:9-12).  So, God's "Bethel" is not physical at all, but spiritual (Heb.3:6). His true worshipers worship IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH (John 4:23-24Ps.51:17-18)... not in million dollar construction projects, or a billion dollar corporation (John 18:36).”  

The “restored” true spiritual House of God is free of such captivity to stinging lies, sin and the ruling power of men.   God’s “living stones” submit to the necessary cleansing to become acceptable vessels, carrying Christ’s words of truth, “to the ends of the earth”.  Mal 3:1-3; Acts 1:8; Rev 11:4; Zech 4:9,11,12,14; 11:3      https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mal+3%3A1-3%3B+Acts+1%3A8%3B+Rev+11%3A4%3B+Zech+4%3A9%2C11%2C12%2C14%3B+11%3A3 + &version=NKJV

They are the arrows in the quiver held by Christ during the final battle of truth against lies. 

Ps 127 continues:

Sons are indeed a heritage from the Lord,
offspring, a reward.
Like arrows in the hand of a warrior
are the sons born in one’s youth.
Happy is the man who has filled his quiver with them.
They will never be put to shame
when they speak with their enemies at the city gate.  Ps 127:3-5

From Pearl Doxsey’s “The Table” -  

Jesus "treading down" the "grapes", is when he wars against those false teachings and all who teach them. (Isa.63:2,3Rev.19:11,14-16). At first, he must do this alone (Isa.50:263:3Rom.3:10Rev.3:2), because all anointed in the time of the end have been mislead into worshiping the Wild Beast (Isa.59:4,9-21Rev.12:913:7,9).

These must be released from Satan's lies (Rev.12:159:14John8:44) before they can ride forth for truth. 

The restoration of pure worship and God’s House is the result of Satan’s creative trap and delusion; which is Watchtower’s working Beast – a spirit-breathed “mechanical” beast of symbolic scorpion-locusts, used for leading anointed and companions to their ruin; not for imparting life.  2 Thess 2:9-12; Rev 13:1,15    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thess+2%3A9-12%3B+Rev+13%3A1%2C15&version=CSB

In a favorite article of mine, Pearl writes:

Is the "restoration" the healing of the rift between God and "Jacob"? (Luke1:16,17Mal.4:6)  

Note Isa.49:6:

"he says: "It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have keptI will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth."

When we view the context of Isa.49:6; the connection to the two scriptures (you) cite, becomes apparent... (those two scriptures are Isa 2:1-5 and Rev 22:1-5:  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa+2%3A1-5%3B+Rev+22%3A1-5&version=CSB  )

See Isa.49:8,9,12:

8 This is what the Lord says:

“In the time of my favor I will answer you,

    and in the day of salvation I will help you;

I will keep you and will make you

    to be a covenant for the people,

to RESTORE the land

    and to reassign its desolate inheritances,

9 TO SAY TO THE CAPTIVES, ‘Come out,’

   AND TO THOSE IN DARKNESS, ‘BE FREE!’

12 See, they will come from afar—

    some from the north, some from the west (Isa.2:2 E [“all nations will stream to it”])

"A LIGHT to the Gentiles" (Isa.49:642:6  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa.49%3A6%3B+42%3A6&version=CSB

"...to those in DARKNESS, 'Be free!'" (Isa.49:960:2https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa.49%3A9%3B+60%3A2&version=CSB

 

 

"The Rise of Mount Zion"

"Elijah Turns Hearts"

4womaninthewilderness

 

 

 

Wt warwick House.jpg

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Views 2.6k
  • Replies 8
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

The Watchtower House is struggling to maintain its self-appointed reputation as a “spiritual paradise”.  It is facing a financial crisis of large proportions partly due to exposure of its past hidden

Did you know that the anointed who are under covenant with God are referred to as “gods”?  They are “living stones” of God’s Temple. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17 They are the firstborn/firstfruits sons

I will set some time aside to look deeper into all this. My concentration level is not good, but i will make time to follow the links and research. Thank you. 

Posted Images

  • Member

@Witness Unfortunately you seem to be treating Pearl as a god I don't see quotes from anyone else here.

Also your quote from  (What Does the Bible Really Teach? p. 184). I could not find it there in the book.

And in what way are the true Anointed (not the GB) working to serve God ? 

How are the true Anointed 'getting together' to form a 'body of people' here on Earth ?

Surely there is a need for the true Anointed to be clearly seen and for them to work together ? 

Zechariah 8 v 23.

23  “This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘In those days ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe of a Jew, saying: “We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.”

So where are all these spiritual Jews ? 

I would have thought they would have a joint website /page of some sort.  That seems to be the way of getting a message out to all people. 

I cannot just take the word of one person, i need to see a 'movement of people' with proof that they are serving God properly. 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Member
3 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Unfortunately you seem to be treating Pearl as a god I don't see quotes from anyone else here.

Did you know that the anointed who are under covenant with God are referred to as “gods”?  They are “living stones” of God’s Temple. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17 They are the firstborn/firstfruits sons of God.  If they become one with Christ as his Bride, would they not be gods?   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Pet+2%3A5%2C9%3B+1+Cor+3%3A16%2C17+&version=NKJV

I said, "You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.  Ps 82:6

John 10:34-36 -

"Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’?  If he called them ‘gods,’ toward whom the word of God came 

Those who received the word of God were God's people under covenant:   Jude1:3; Matt.25:14; 13:11; 11:25,27; 16:17; 1Cor.4:1,2; 2:10; 1Pet.1:12,25; Eph.3:10; Isa.53:1; Amos3:7; Gal.1:11,12; John3:11   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jude1%3A3%3B+Matt.25%3A14%3B+13%3A11%3B+11%3A25%2C27%3B+16%3A17%3B+1Cor.4%3A1%2C2%3B+2%3A10%3B+1Pet.1%3A12%2C25%3B+Eph.3%3A10%3B+Isa.53%3A1%3B+Amos3%3A7%3B+Gal.1%3A11%2C12%3B+John3%3A11&version=NKJV

and Scripture cannot be set aside—  what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? John1:14,9; 18:37; 7:16; 12:49  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John1%3A14%2C9%3B+18%3A37%3B+7%3A16%3B+12%3A49&version=NKJV

Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?" John 10:34-36 

3 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Also your quote from  (What Does the Bible Really Teach? p. 184). I could not find it there in the book.

The page number is my mistake.  I am sorry.   It is in Chapter 18, under the subheading of “The Meaning of your Baptism” starting on page 182.  Paragraph 24 is where the quote comes from. 

3 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

So where are all these spiritual Jews ? 

I would have thought they would have a joint website /page of some sort.  That seems to be the way of getting a message out to all people. 

I cannot just take the word of one person, i need to see a 'movement of people' with proof that they are serving God properly. 

 

There is a web page that I have given you.  It has thousands of visitors each day who read and learn.  Most do not state their name, because Christ knows who the faithful are, who are hungry and who want understanding.  Yet, on that page are links to facebook pages, where many members are gathering by name.  Not all member are believers, as quite a few are still staunch JWs.  The food is offered, free for the taking. It is up to the heart’s desire to either continue taking in spiritual food or to leave it behind.  It is the Marriage Feast.  Rev 22:17  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+22%3A17&version=NKJV

We should remember that those whom God calls to expose the sins of His people, are lowly and despised.  They are despised by their own people. Many will not recognize them. 2 Pet 3:4; Luke 19:41,42, Jer 13:17; Matt 13:15; Mark 4:12; Ezek 12:2; Rev 3:3   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Pet+3%3A4%3B+Luke+19%3A41%2C42%2C+Jer+13%3A17%3B+Matt+13%3A15%3B+Mark+4%3A12%3B+Ezek+12%3A2%3B+Rev+3%3A3+&version=NKJV

The “movement” begins with one individual – Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Elijah, Moses, Micah, Hosea, John the Baptist.   Jesus promised that “Elijah” would restore “all things”. Matt 17:11; Dan 12:4; Rev 11:1-3 What would this one restore?  Truth, that “living stones” are to make known. What does this one reveal?  Lies, that false prophets have taught to seduce “living stones” and companions.  Teachings, that the Temple Body of Christ must come together in unity, which will be manifested in the Kingdom.    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+17%3A11%3B+Dan+12%3A4%3B+Rev+11%3A1-3 &version=NKJV

To serve God properly does not take a regimented organized commitment to men.   That is influence from Satan’s realm.  Jesus has nothing to do with Satan’s type of “organization”.  God has already organized His form of worship, His Temple, beginning with the foundation stones and the cornerstone, Christ.  1 Cor chapter 12; 1 Cor 3:11; Eph 2:19-22   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Cor+12%3A1-31%3B+1+Cor+3%3A11%3B+Eph+2%3A19-22&version=NKJV

 It requires a desire of the heart to want to align itself with God’s decrees in Christ, and it takes earnest effort.   This is how we worship in spirit and truth, relying on the Father and Jesus’ help in spirit, to lead one to truth which those whom Christ sends (not whom men appoint), provide.  John 4:23,24; John 13:20   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+4%3A23%2C24%3B+John+13%3A20&version=NKJV

It is the Great Tribulation – different from all other spiritual difficulties God’s people have experienced throughout history. Matt 24:21   Your struggles show it; you are in the process of sifting the truth from the lies.    If God chooses a lowly woman to bless with Holy Spirit and reveal the sins of His people, who are we to question His actions?   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+24%3A21&version=NKJV

  For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.   But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; and the base things of the world and the things which are despised, God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are that no flesh should glory in His presence. 1 Cor 1:26-29

“base things” can mean, “of no family, a man of base birth, a man of no name or reputation”  

Pearl certainly had no reputation in the organization, as do most anointed ones, as well as myself.  You will know if what one teaches is truth, if everything that person says is backed up with God’s Word and teaches what Christ taught, just as the apostles did.   You already notice the oppression of the anointed in the organization, the trampling of God’s “Temple” by elders Matt 24:14-16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3   It is a “disgusting thing” that we are to flee from – and we go the “mountains”, “Israel”, represented by the anointed “living stones” of God’s Temple/Zion.  The “prophesy” that “Elijah”  trumpets, is to these “mountains”, to leave their captivity and return to their Head, Jesus Christ. Matt 25:1  And it is to those restored "mountains"/hills, where those leaving the “city”, go, who desire to join the Marriage Feast.  Matt 22:4 

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+24%3A14-16%3B+2+Thess+2%3A3%2C4%3B+Rev+11%3A1-3%3B+Matt+25%3A1%3B+22%3A4+++&version=NKJV

(See Ezekiel chapter 36   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezek+36&version=NIV)

The links are to scriptures, which hopefully make it easier to read them.  

Rev 18:4-8 - And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. 6 Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her. 7 In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’ 8 Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Member
3 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

I will set some time aside to look deeper into all this. My concentration level is not good, but i will make time to follow the links and research. Thank you. 

I certainly hear you.  My concentration level has never been good.  I'm always asking in prayer for the ability to discipline my mind and keep it on the right track.  I believe it's called  "ADD".  :)

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Member
20 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

@Witness

I would have thought they would have a joint website /page of some sort.  That seems to be the way of getting a message out to all people. 

 

 

John Butler, what do you think about the prophecy that "Elijah" would come before the day of Jehovah?

Malachi 4:5“Look! I am sending to you E·liʹjah the prophet+ before the coming of the great and awe-inspiring day of Jehovah.+ And he will turn the hearts of fathers back toward sons,+ and the hearts of sons back toward fathers, so that I may not come and strike the earth, devoting it to destruction.”

I think everyone would do good in expecting the appearance of a single male servant of Jehovah who will embody the role of "Elijah".

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Member
4 hours ago, Kosonen said:

John Butler, what do you think about the prophecy that "Elijah" would come before the day of Jehovah?

Malachi 4:5“Look! I am sending to you E·liʹjah the prophet+ before the coming of the great and awe-inspiring day of Jehovah.+ And he will turn the hearts of fathers back toward sons,+ and the hearts of sons back toward fathers, so that I may not come and strike the earth, devoting it to destruction.”

I think everyone would do good in expecting the appearance of a single male servant of Jehovah who will embody the role of "Elijah".

 

“This is the revelation of Jesus Christ. God gave it to him to show his servants the things that must happen soon. He sent this revelation through his angel to his servant John.”  Rev 1:1

Considering that Christ’s servants are his faithful “virgins”, to become his spotless “Bride”; and all are “brethren” in Christ under the same New Covenant --

And that there is  “neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”  Gal 3:28 ---

what is your point? 

 2 Cor 11:2 -  I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him.

Does Rev 11:1-3 specify that the “two” symbolic witness, bearing the similar message of Moses and Elijah and who speak truth (“two witnesses”), are all male?   

Luke 9:28-33

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Member

@Witness wrote:

Does Rev 11:1-3 specify that the “two” symbolic witness, bearing the similar message of Moses and Elijah and who speak truth (“two witnesses”), are all male?   

Luke 9:28-33

Witness, where did you get that the two special witnesses of Revelation 11 are symbolic? Does not the context of Revelation 11 clearly speak about two literal special persons? It is very similar to two literal God's servants, Moses and Aaron who witnessed to Pharaoh of Egypt with wonders and plagues. 

I don't confuse those two witnesses with "Elijah" and I am eager to see the appearance of those two witnesses. Until now I have no knowledge who they will be. It would be interesting to know if there are any anointed who feel and know that they, and only they two persons will be those two witnesses.

Revelation is clear that many anointed will be killed during the 1260 days. But those two witnesses will be killed only after the 1260 days. But then there are anointed who will not be killed at all. Those remaining anointed will instead be caught up to heaven and be transformed to spiritual creatures in a blinking of the eye. 1 Corinthinians 15 and 1 Thessalonians 4. 

So that are the arguments that the two witnesses of Revelation 11 can not describe anointed ones in general.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Member

It could be a literal two; then again, it may not be; because Revelation is a book of signs.  Symbols.    Rev 1:1 - The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified (to give a sign)  it by his angel unto his servant John

"Two" represents truth.  Matt 18:16

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites





  • Recently Browsing

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Popular Contributors

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • In my perspective, when the Smithsonian Magazine covers a topic, I am inclined to trust their expertise. As for the shadows here, I see no benefit in entertaining irrational ideas from others. Let them hold onto their own beliefs. We shouldn't further enable their self-deception and misleading of the public.  
    • Hey Self! 🤣I came across this interesting conspiracy theory. There are scholars who firmly believe in the authenticity of those artifacts. I value having conversations with myself. The suggestion of a mentally ill person has led to the most obscure manifestation of a group of sorrowful individuals. 😁
    • I have considered all of their arguments. Some even apply VAT 4956 to their scenarios, which is acceptable. Anyone can use secular evidence if they genuinely seek understanding. Nonetheless, whether drawing from scripture or secular history, 607 is a plausible timeframe to believe in. People often misuse words like "destruction", "devastation", and "desolation" in an inconsistent manner, similar to words like "besiege", "destroy", and "sack". When these terms are misapplied to man-made events, they lose their true meaning. This is why with past historians, the have labeled it as follows: First Capture of Jerusalem 606 BC Second Capture of Jerusalem 598 BC Third Capture of Jerusalem 587 BC Without taking into account anything else.  Regarding the second account, if we solely rely on secular chronology, the ancient scribes made military adaptations to align with the events recorded in the Babylonian Chronicles. However, the question arises: Can we consider this adaptation as accurate?  Scribes sought to include military components in their stories rather than focusing solely on biblical aspects. Similarly, astronomers, who were also scholars, made their observations at the king's request to divine omens, rather than to understand the plight of the Jewish people. Regarding the third capture, we can only speculate because there are no definitive tablets like the Babylonian chronicles that state 598. It is possible that before the great tribulation, Satan will have influenced someone to forge more Babylonian chronicles in order to discredit the truth and present false evidence from the British Museum, claiming that the secular view was right all along. This could include documents supposedly translated after being found in 1935, while others were found in the 1800s. The Jewish antiquities authorities have acknowledged the discovery of forged items, while the British Museum has not made similar acknowledgments. It is evident that the British Museum has been compelled to confess to having looted or stolen artifacts which they are unwilling to return. Consequently, I find it difficult to place my trust in the hands of those who engage in such activities. One of the most notable instances of deception concerning Jewish antiquities was the widely known case of the ossuary belonging to James, the brother of Jesus. I was astonished by the judge's inexplicable justification for acquittal, as it was evident that his primary concern was preserving the reputation of the Jewish nation, rather than unearthing the truth behind the fraudulent artifact. The judge before even acknowledged it. "In his decision, the judge was careful to say his acquittal of Golan did not mean the artifacts were necessarily genuine, only that the prosecution had failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Golan had faked them." The burden of proof is essential. This individual not only forged the "Jehoash Tablet," but also cannot be retried for his deceit. Why are they so insistent on its authenticity? To support their narrative about the first temple of Jerusalem. Anything to appease the public, and deceive God. But then again, after the Exodus, when did they truly please God? So, when it comes to secular history, it's like a game of cat and mouse.  
    • I'm not bothered by being singled out, as you seem to be accustomed to defending and protecting yourselves, but it's a good idea to keep your dog on a leash. Speaking of which, in a different thread, TTH mentioned that it would be great if everyone here shared their life stories. As both of you are the librarians here, I kindly ask you to minimize any signs of intimidation or insincerity. It is you people who need to be "banned" here. However, it is quite evident that you hold a negative influence, which God recognizes, therefore you are banned from your own conscience in His eyes.
  • Members

    • Pudgy

      Pudgy 2,410

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
  • Recent Status Updates

  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      65.4k
    • Total Posts
      159.4k
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      17,679
    • Most Online
      1,592

    Newest Member
    Techredirector
    Joined
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Service Confirmation Terms of Use Privacy Policy Guidelines We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.