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The plain and simple answer about your GB is : By their works you will know them. 

And i judge the GB by their works of dishonesty and lies. Their lack of love for victims. Their putting themselves in the place of Jesus Christ. The way that they have silenced the Anointed. Misused scriptures. Lorded it over the congregation.  And given themselves the title of F&DS there by exalting themselves, and we know what the result of that will be. 

We have to judge them, otherwise we would just serve blindly.

Jesus himself judged the Pharisees. The disciples judged Jesus and found him to be the true one to follow. 

You yourself seem to judge the GB as being God's true servants. That is your judgement and your choice. 

In my opinion you allow sin to be overlooked in the GB because you look at it from mans viewpoint. 

But what about God's viewpoint ? How long will He continue putting up with it ? 

You have judged elders also as you said some of them should not be elders. So if it is God's Organisation and if those elders were appointed with God's holy spirit, why do you say they should not be elders ?

Isn't that going against God's holy spirit ? 

 

 

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On 3/11/2019 at 1:54 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

WT publications shows how JW people have to be obedient to secular law but with exceptions. Disobedience to Secular Law is right way in two cases: If God forbid something or command something different than Secular Law. And second is, if your Conscience told you to do or not to do no matter what is obligated by Secular Law. 

But WT publications going further to explain to their readers how Your Conscience is not trustful, so it is not good to listen conscience which is not trained by Bible. How person training his conscience? By reading Bible. But reading Bible alone is not enough.Quote:  - What does this illustrate? That our private reading of the Bible is not enough. Jehovah, by his spirit, uses the faithful and discreet slave class to help us to understand his Word at the right time. How is this done? - 

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Well, take then in consideration main thing in this issue - Listening God and what He say you should doing. But here we have again the same problem. WHO will explain you what God teaching people. Again, you need Class of People aka GBFDS Class who will told you, interpret You, what is God Will for You.

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 In France, for example, people are generally reasonable and fair-minded. However, a few opposers have promoted laws aimed at crippling the Kingdom work. How have Jehovah’s Witnesses there reacted? They have intensified their activity in the field as never before and with thrilling results. - 

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But how far does this subjection to political authorities go? Is it unlimited? Is obedience to human law even more important than obedience to the law of God? Certainly not! Notice that in the scripture just quoted the “compelling reason” for obedience is said to include “your conscience.” So, one’s conscience is not to be ignored, especially if that conscience has been trained by the Word of God. - 

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Thus, your conscience is designed to enable you to evaluate situations, make right choices, and judge yourself on the choices you have made. But can you trust it?...So it is wise to listen to your conscience. But it is wiser still to compare all that we do with God’s will as revealed in his Word. 

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Because our work was banned, the brothers needed to be alert when witnessing.....We often started conversations with those who did not support the Communist government—the so-called dissidents—who tended to be more open-minded.” - 

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Every law and statute that is in harmony with righteousness the true Christians will obey in an exemplary fashion. But any law and demand made in conflict with the superior laws and commandments of God they will not obey, for that would mean to render to “Caesar” what belongs to God. - 

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We obey the government because that is what God wants us to do. But if we are told to do something that God says we should not do, what should we say?— We should say what the apostles said to the high priest: “We must obey God as ruler rather than men.”

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We accept Jehovah’s authority and obey him even if we do not fully understand the reason for some requirement set out in his Word. This is not credulity; it is trust. It reflects heartfelt confidence that Jehovah knows what is good for us.... In accepting Jehovah’s authority, we need to guard against an independent spirit. A haughty attitude can cause us to feel that we do not need guidance from anyone. For example, we might resist counsel given by those taking the lead among God’s people. God has established an arrangement by which a faithful and discreet slave class provides spiritual food at the proper time....14 Accepting Jehovah’s authority involves responding to counsel based on his Word. For example, the faithful and discreet slave class has been admonishing us to “stay awake and keep our senses.”...Spiritual food from the faithful and discreet slave class is disseminated to local congregations by appointed elders. The Bible admonishes us: “Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over your souls as those who will render an account; that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you.” (Heb. 13:17) Does this mean that congregation elders are infallible? Of course not! God sees their imperfections more clearly than any human can. Still, he expects us to be submissive. Cooperating with the elders, even though they are imperfect, gives evidence that we accept Jehovah’s authority.

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I see scriptures that support every idea mentioned.

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There’s a difference between when one is dealing with incompetence and the other is just a personal opinion from an outsider. Experience is a must. What experience do you think the GB isn’t sympathetic to victims, when it was clearly stated, and is in recorded evidence, when a GB referenced to the ARC victim, and said, I hope she is doing ok, which my thoughts are with her? It’s not verbatim, but that was the essence.

However, I didn’t stipulate I would be the one to condemn the Elders. God is the judge, not you or me or anyone here.

The Watchtower and Awake, demonstrate the sincerity of the organization when it’s NOT misapplied by opposers.

The Guidelines of those illegally leaked BOE letters state how an Elder should deal with a victim and by showing sympathy and reacting if the victim is still in danger in order for the Elders to keep them safe.

Therefore, don’t use the same wordplay that James and JWinsider do. It makes me think this group in one and the same, by the ideology. It’s easily discernable who is meant to be disfellowshipped like RF.

Cardinal George Pell was a big critic of the ARC. The thing to note, George Pell was being accused directly. That accusation was found to be credible for his own actions. Not the actions of the Catholic Church.

Another thing to note, how secular laws works.

First, a lot of the evidence was suppressed, until it was lifted. Another, the attitude of the Judge, that Pell not be made a scapegoat.

But the judge said Pell was "not to be made a scapegoat for any failings or perceived failings of the Catholic Church."

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What is the defense going to do, Appeal the verdict.

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That’s how the laws work. How did the public outcry work when a perpetrator only got 6 years for molesting 2 children? The individual shouldn’t be a stain on its church according to secular law. One conviction does not convict the church as per the Australian Judge. Where does that leave all that bluster and hot air?

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That is highly hysterical how a witness would interpret an opposer’s point of view. From the list of nonsense that was submitted by Srecko is a good example of how disingenuous some witnesses’ beliefs are.

The first illustration shows how society wishes to derail the public preaching work of Jehovah’s witnesses. What does intensifying God’s work to mean going against secular authority for one? How does the Watchtower promote disobedience to secular law by intensifying Christ preaching work so the world can see, those that oppose the preaching will not achieve that goal of a total ban of that preaching work back in 2015 before opposers succeeded to ban the preaching work in Russia.

We can see the devils handy work, especially when people agree with the European Union and that, momentum should continue. What does that say about people that support the elimination of the freedom of religion to support their own arrogant goals?

Has that stopped loyal witnesses of God in Russia? Wasn’t it a talking point in this forum about a witness that was imprisoned in Russia for staying loyal to Jehovah, not the Watchtower as people claim that, the person saw a need to demonstrate to the world the faith he holds as Jesus did. Should witnesses be “forced” to bow down to opposers that wish to use their government to remove the Witnesses from their lands? Did it work in Nazi Germany?

It is a farce and hypocrisy to accept such evidence as sound. It further illustrates the negativity of those making every effort to subvert what the Watchtower is not saying, by agreeing with opposers.

The other example which are many. I suppose witnesses are defying secular authority for not wanting to “kill” another human being in the name of patronage. I guess those witnesses that support opposing views see it as a waste of time for loyal brothers in South Korea. They should accept their military responsibility to appease the mandate of men, rather than listen to the laws of God.

That is a personal choice God gives to humanity. Is God forcing loyal and faithful followers of Christ to have 2 views in order to keep separate their conscience between church and state? Is that the Watchtowers mandate or GODS? Matthew 22:21, Jesus said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's.

Is the Watchtower saying it, or is God commanding it through Christ?

That’s when conscience comes in. The Watchtower is NOT saying to disobey but to use discernment in order to “respect” the laws given by man. That’s what the TRUTH book is conveying.

Someone that would subvert the writings of another to win an argument lacks ethics and Bible understanding, and shouldn’t be taken seriously. Especially those that support such ideology in their subtle ways. Therefore, that list is meaningless by its disingenuous presentation.

Jeremiah 7:23

23but this is what I commanded them: Obey Me, and I will be your God, and you will be my people. You must walk in all the ways I have commanded you, so that it may go well with you.

 

Therefore, what are opposers truly saying to God, I reject your commandments like the ancients?

 

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@BillyTheKid46 Jeremiah 7.  23 but this is what I commanded them: Obey Me, and I will be your God, and you will be my people. You must walk in all the ways I have commanded you, so that it may go well with you.

Unfortunately the Kid and others seem to replace God with the GB and it's JW Org. 

I agree that we should obey GOD through Jesus Christ, but do not agree that we should obey men (the GB of JW Org) 

Are they still using that TWO WITNESS RULE against young children ? 

But not using it when they want to accuse ADULTS of fornication. 

Is the Org still withholding evidence and still trying to stop investigations ? 

Just food for thought.

 

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Since the GB walk in all that God commands, then your statement is false.

1.      Since the 2 witness rule was not always necessary conforming to some circumstances, that statement is false

2.      Since both fornicators are the 2 witnesses and in some cases, there could be more, that statement is false.

3.      Since the Watchtower corporates with secular authority as much as secular law allows, and hands over documents voluntarily without a subpoena as in the ARC case, that statement is false. Not to mention it would be contrary to the policies set by the Watchtower through those illegally leaked BOE letters and flock book.

Therefore, those cases do not define the organization, unless it comes from false prophet’s hell-bent on promoting their own agenda of defamation, slander and still believe somehow they walk in all that God commands.

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1 hour ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Since the GB walk in all that God commands, then your statement is false.

1.      Since the 2 witness rule was not always necessary conforming to some circumstances, that statement is false

2.      Since both fornicators are the 2 witnesses and in some cases, there could be more, that statement is false.

3.      Since the Watchtower corporates with secular authority as much as secular law allows, and hands over documents voluntarily without a subpoena as in the ARC case, that statement is false. Not to mention it would be contrary to the policies set by the Watchtower through those illegally leaked BOE letters and flock book.

Therefore, those cases do not define the organization, unless it comes from false prophet’s hell-bent on promoting their own agenda of defamation, slander and still believe somehow they walk in all that God commands.

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You live in such a dream world Kid. 

The GB place themselves on high, God didn't put them there. You certainly worship your GB. 

1. Two witness rule, It seems you are calling victims liars, just as your GB did. 

2. Fornication ? just because two people of opposite sex spend a night in the same house. 

3. Watchtower / JW Org, tried to stop the Charity Commision inquiry. GB/Legal dept refused to hand over documents to California Supreme Court. Elders told to destroy documents 'because satan is coming after the Org'. 

Can't remember much can you Kid. 

As for walking in all that God commands, only Jesus has done that, the rest of us are sinners. 

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