JW USA: A Witness responds to Lloyd Evans about JW and global climate change

[TrueTomHarley]

5 hours ago, Anna said:

Yes. And I don't know if you noticed, in that book extract, Gabriele Yonan states: " When the entire text of the Declaration of 25 June 1933 and the letter to Hitler are seen today in the context of the history of Jehovah's Witnesses during the

It’s good. It’s thorough. I’m glad the brother wrote it. It wins the ‘fact’ battle. 

But it does not win the ‘perception’ battle. It is too long. There is no possible way that Lloyd would ever read it. At absolute most he would skim it & it would have no effect upon his overall program.

It is not even an attribute of he specifically. It is an attribute of human nature. People are supertankers who, assuming they want to, turn very very slowly. (and he doesn’t want to)

It is persuasive only when linked to as a footnote for support. It is not persuasive in itself. People simply are not that way. That is why I am happy that such things exist, but I do not focus on them.

[Anna]

18 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I’m glad the brother wrote it.

It's not a brother, lol. In fact it's a woman who is not, and never has been a JW 

https://www.gabrieleyonan.com/bio

19 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

There is no possible way that Lloyd would ever read it. At absolute most he would skim it & it would have no effect upon his overall program.

That's probably true. What intrigues me though is where he got those ideas from in the first place, if not from disgruntled Christendom.

[TrueTomHarley]

41 minutes ago, Anna said:

That's probably true. What intrigues me though is where he got those ideas from in the first place, if not from disgruntled Christendom.

There is a “playbook” that they do not stray far from.

His entire beef about how JWs react to issues of environment is exactly the same as one I answered 10 years ago on my blog.

(And JWs that respond do not do so effectively, IMO. They say ‘well, we care about the environment too. Really, we do’ and then say something about the Green Globes - buying into his premise that his side is fixing things and might even solve them if JWs would but forget their preaching and pitch in. I like to show how stupid the premise is.)

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

My contribution to "Global Warming" is limited to accidentally leaving my bathroom window open.

 

REMEMBER !   Every home, office, factory and other building that is heated ... every single one ..... without exception ... eventually loses that heat from the inside, to the outside.  Think of 5 BILLION hot spots on the Earth, sucking up natural gas, oil, electricity, propane, coal and uranium, and turning it into HEAT!

Even in the summer, air conditioners pump HEAT to the outside air.

 

Now that you are excited, and hyper-ventilating in an ecological save the planet or we are all doomed panic ....  what does that mean as a practical, real life matter?

 

Absolutely NOTHING!

 

 

[Anna]

2 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

My contribution to "Global Warming" is limited to accidentally leaving my bathroom window open.

 

REMEMBER !   Every home, office, factory and other building that is heated ... every single one ..... without exception ... eventually loses that heat from the inside, to the outside.  Think of 5 BILLION hot spots on the Earth, sucking up natural gas, oil, electricity, propane, coal and uranium, and turning it into HEAT!

Even in the summer, air conditioners pump HEAT to the outside air.

 

Now that you are excited, and hyper-ventilating in an ecological save the planet or we are all doomed panic ....  what does that mean as a practical, real life matter?

 

Absolutely NOTHING!

 

 

What about all those nasty cow farts?

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

8 hours ago, Anna said:

What about all those nasty cow farts?

The most methane produced on Earth is by Volcanoes, which seem to not to want to cooperate with the people brokering and selling Carbon Credits, to promote Socialism through equalizing money throughout the Earth ... minus their 15% commissions, of course, like the companies Al Gore created to do exactly that .... and the second highest methane producers are Chinese rice paddies.

None of which matters, because we live in an atmosphere that is about 21% Oxygen, 78% Nitrogen, and 1% other gasses, which are totally irrelevant ... including methane. 

The ONLY real "greenhouse gas" is  plain old WATER VAPOR .... big mile deep clouds ... shiny on the top ... dark on the bottom .... like a giant floating space age blanket.  The more clouds you have in the daytime the cooler it is.  The more clouds you have in the night time, the warmer it is.

Between belching and farting that's how cows tell jokes, in Stereo.

Then ... I close my bathroom window.

[TrueTomHarley]

34 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Between belching and farting that's how cows tell jokes, in Stereo.

It is not just cows. Educators as well. I mean, can you look at that headline without thinking of some old guy ripping one?

[Srecko Sostar]

9 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

And what an atheist knows about it, if even witnesses have a hard time understanding the causes.

Ups ..... :)) jumping high

[JW Insider]

10 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

The most methane produced on Earth is by Volcanoes

Volcanoes produce very little methane. Perhaps you meant carbon dioxide. But this is junk science that makes the claim that Volcanoes produce more carbon dioxide than people.

Evidence suggests that humans and human activities produce about 60 to 90 times more carbon dioxide than all the world's volcanoes:

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/which-emits-more-carbon-dioxide-volcanoes-or-human-activities

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:-MMtHoaAsYYJ:https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earthtalks-volcanoes-or-humans/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-b-1-d

[cached version since SA is currently offline from my location.]

SA goes for 100 times:

According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the world’s volcanoes, both on land and undersea, generate about 200 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) annually, while our automotive and industrial activities cause some 24 billion tons of CO2 emissions every year worldwide. Despite the arguments to the contrary, the facts speak for themselves: Greenhouse gas emissions from volcanoes comprise less than one percent of those generated by today’s human endeavors.

And of course, there is also the fact that the particulates in especially large volcanic eruptions can actually promote temporary global cooling:

Furthermore, some scientists believe that spectacular volcanic eruptions, like that of Mt. St. Helens in 1980 and Mt. Pinatubo in 1991, actually lead to short-term global cooling, not warming, as sulfur dioxide (SO2), ash and other particles in the air and stratosphere reflect some solar energy instead of letting it into Earth’s atmosphere. SO2, which converts to sulfuric acid aerosol when it hits the stratosphere, can linger there for as long as seven years and can exercise a cooling effect long after a volcanic eruption has taken place.

[JW Insider]

11 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

The more clouds you have in the daytime the cooler it is.  The more clouds you have in the night time, the warmer it is.

Therefore, water vapor is not a very effective greenhouse gas after all. Methane and CO2, however, are proven greenhouse gases through experimentation, working predictive modeling, working historical modeling, and current experience.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

Recycling and environmental protection consumes a LOT of my thoughts ...

Every time I go to an auto parts store, and see a spray can of WD-40, I think of all the dashed hopes and dreams of the Dinosaurs.

The true test of an environmentalists is this:

If he could make it happen, would he bring back the dinosaurs ... and would it be covered by his automobile insurance policy.

[Srecko Sostar]