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So my group overseer just texted this to me. Can someone please explain? 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦

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40 minutes ago, Shiwiii said:

or an over-controlling busybody sticking their nose into business that doesn't pertain to them. 

It is only because of the quick wording that the message might be taken that way. He scribbled it hastily to a handful of close people that he thought he knew well, people who would not take offense at his quirky way of phrasing matters. 

He had no idea that Jack was among them and was going to go squealing with it like a two-year old to the WorldWideMedia forum so that 1984-obsessed people could hoo-haw over it.

“How can the shepherd say to the Master that he doesn’t know where the sheep are?” one elder put it.

 

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Dear Brother Overseer:

My vacation plans now through September  include working a third job, to pay for my daughters medical bills, and try to keep an eviction notice from being posted on my front door, and having our electricity and water cut off.

Since I quit Pioneering I have found the competition for decent paying jobs is fierce, and unrelenting, and frankly, I do not have the skills to compete, or while in survival mode, have the time or money to acquire those skills.

I have a rotten molar on the left side of my face that feels like a bee sting, a heavy bruise, and that my face is being eaten by rats, and my heart does not feel like it can take the strain of all of this much longer.

As you know, Elder Brother B_______________  dropped dead in mid-step in his living room, with problems similar to mine.  He did have a nice memorial service, however,  my thought was that he was now RESTING, in peace.

Thank you for asking, though, but in my entire life, I have only had one, two day "vacation", but I saw a movie about one with Chevy Chase, and he did not look like he was having a real good time.

Cordially,

Brother ________________

 

 

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44 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

It is only because of the quick wording that the message might be taken that way. He scribbled it hastily to a handful of close people that he thought he knew well, people who would not take offense at his quirky way of phrasing matters. 

He had no idea that Jack was among them and was going to go squealing with it like a two-year old to the WorldWideMedia forum so that 1984-obsessed people could hoo-haw over it.

“How can the shepherd say to the Master that he doesn’t know where the sheep are?” one elder put it.

 

So what?

So what if he knew them.

What purpose does this supposed shepherd need to know the vacation plans in the first place? My own parents do not request such things, and I'm pretty sure their concern for my well being is much more warranted. Of course Tom, I know you request this of your family, right? 

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7 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

As hard as it is to understand ... some people "at the bottom", actually prefer a totalitarian system.

True

 

 I've also found that some people just can't allow themselves to admit, when someone they normally don't agree with, is correct. 

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On 4/13/2019 at 10:18 AM, Jack Ryan said:

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“Canada” - John

“Florida” - Sam

“Boise, Idaho - I have family there I visit”. - Sam

“Spain. The rain in Spain stays mainly on the plain. Thanks for your concern” - George

“The Adirondacks. We like to camp with the family. - Howie

It’s none of your “G*****M” business where I am going on my vacation! What an invasion of privacy! Does your desire for control know know bounds? - Jack

1 hour ago, Shiwiii said:

I've also found that some people just can't allow themselves to admit, when someone they normally don't agree with, is correct. 

For whatever it’s worth, I don’t think I have ever received such a request, but I would not lose my cookies if I did. I have been asked where I might go in the event of an emergency. Unfortunately, I am not sure just who would put up with me. Maybe the ol pork chop.

“Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among YOU and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over YOUR souls as those who will render an account; that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to YOU.” - Hebrews 13:17

Whole lotta sighin over there in Jack’s congregation.

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Dear Brother Overseer:

June and July our Family is going Camping on our private Island in the American Virgin Islands, as soon as our Chinook CH-3 Winnebago helicopter landing pad is completed on our 189 foot SuperYacht.

We are trying to simplify our lives, as recommended, by havin' the house servants go ahead of us and set everything up, and get our Villa ready for occupancy.

We plan on witnessing at least 6 hours a day, by having an aircraft fly over Miami Beach, towing a JW.ORG banner .

Even though we will be having entertainment from Las Vegas, this will be a "working" vacation for our guests, who will be down by private jet from Warwick, for their usual Wednesday's coordination meetings. One requested a large quantity of Scotch, so we have ordered several cases of transparent adhesive tape.

Cordially,

Brother _____________

 

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Turn away, please @The Librarian. (You old hen)

Dear Brother Overseer

I ain’t goin nowhere. I am too busy blaming others for something that happened 50 years ago. I barely have a pot to piss in. If only I had gone to college. If only, if only, if only. Then my life would be paradise. 

Everyone not going to college is a loser in life. Everyone going is a winner. Nobody that goes to college has problems. Whatever problems non-college people have is because they didn’t go to college.

Make a bum decision as a teen and you are locked in for life. There is no opportunity to change course. Liars say that it can be done, but that it what you expect liars to say. I will never forgive them for giving me bad advise. 

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Do you hear me?! NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!

Cordially, Brother _______________

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4 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

“Canada” - John

“Florida” - Sam

“Boise, Idaho - I have family there I visit”. - Sam

“Spain. The rain in Spain stays mainly on the plain. Thanks for your concern” - George

“The Adirondacks. We like to camp with the family. - Howie

It’s none of your “G*****M” business where I am going on my vacation! What an invasion of privacy! Does your desire for control know know bounds? - Jack

For whatever it’s worth, I don’t think I have ever received such a request, but I would not lose my cookies if I did. I have been asked where I might go in the event of an emergency. Unfortunately, I am not sure just who would put up with me. Maybe the ol pork chop.

“Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among YOU and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over YOUR souls as those who will render an account; that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to YOU.” - Hebrews 13:17

Whole lotta sighin over there in Jack’s congregation.

Luke 6:39 And He also spoke a parable to them: A blind man cannot guide a blind man, can he? Will they not both fall into a pit? 40 A [

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be like his teacher. 41 Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 42 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take out the speck that is in your eye,’ when you yourself do not see the log that is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother’s eye. 43 For there is no good tree which produces bad fruit, nor, [
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 44 For each tree is known by its own fruit.

 

What good fruit has become from this tree called the Watchtower? 

 

Matthew 15:

You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you:

This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
But in vain do they worship Me,

Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’

10 After Jesus called the crowd to Him, He said to them, “Hear and understand. 11 It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man.”

12 Then the disciples *came and *said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were [

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of the blind. And if a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”

 

Teachings of men:   

no beards

no blood

no reporting CSA

no unconditional love for friends and family who chose not to be a jw

etc.

 

verse 11 speaks DIRECTLY about blood.

 

the pharisees were offended, because their teachings were rejected. Thus they kicked out those who oppose their views. So no I'm not going to bend MY knee to these men who want to control my personal life, but rather "leave it in Jehovah's hands"

 

 

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1 hour ago, Shiwiii said:

So no I'm not going to bend MY knee to these men who want to control my personal life, but rather "leave it in Jehovah's hands"

Yes, yes. All very eloquent. But where are you going on your vacation?

Look, there is only so much seriousness I can muster for this. I don’t even know that it is genuine. If it is, it may be just a personal quirk, someone one-upping the request to know where people are in the event of an emergency. I have never been asked such a thing, nor have I ever heard of it from anyone.

He probably is just making up schedules and wants to know when not to put people on them. 

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44 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Yes, yes. All very eloquent. But where are you going on your vacation?

Look, there is only so much seriousness I can muster for this. I don’t even know that it is genuine. If it is, it may be just a personal quirk, someone one-upping the request to know where people are in the event of an emergency. I have never been asked such a thing, nor have I ever heard of it from anyone.

He probably is just making up schedules and wants to know when not to put people on them. 

i guess you're right. We don't know his motive, but the request is out of the ordinary and a bit controlling.

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21 minutes ago, Shiwiii said:

We don't know his motive, but the request is out of the ordinary and a bit controlling.

 

8 hours ago, Shiwiii said:

I've also found that some people just can't allow themselves to admit, when someone they normally don't agree with, is correct. 

It does come across as sort of odd, I agree.

 

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Honestly, I cannot imagine our group overseer ever sending a text like that. Nor anyone else in our cong. for that matter. Especially not the "I just need to keep a track of you" bit. That just sounds too creepy. But everybody is different, as are cultures. What sounds ok to some, sounds weird to another.

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      vide this confidential information to the wife, but
      they can suggest that she speak with her husband
      again. Even if he does not tell her anything more, this
      will alert her to the fact that he is withholding information
      from her, and this may help her to determine
      whether to forgive or not.
      Chapter 6                                                                    85
    • By Srecko Sostar
      According introductory words in "Shepherd book", this publication is "congregation property". What would be your answer on question -What is congregation? Who are members of congregation? By normal logic all JW members are congregation and by their membership (legality of membership come through baptism) in congregation are entitled to read this book and  to get to know the content of this book. But this is not how reality looks. Many, almost all "ordinary" members even doesn't know that this book or similar written instructions exist.
      Another shocking fact from the 2010 Letter to the elders come to daylight. Instruction to elders given by GB (or from some WT Department that is under direct supervision of GB) shows us once again how this "theocratic" organization treats women's at all, and sisters as members of the congregation. Sisters are compared with unbelievers and working stuff of outsides companies. Shameful!
      This publication is congregation property. A
      copy is issued to each appointed elder. If an elder
      is deleted for reasons other than moving to
      another congregation with a favorable recommendation,
      he should turn over this handbook
      to the Congregation Service Committee. The
      secretary should keep the book in the congregationÂ’s
      file so that it may be returned to the
      brother if he is reappointed as an elder. No
      copies are to be made of any part of this publication.
      Neither is it to be converted into any
      electronic format.
      WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF PENNSYLVANIA
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      2012 Printing
      This publication is not for sale. It is provided as part of a worldwide
      Bible educational work supported by voluntary donations.
      Unless otherwise indicated, Scripture quotations are from the modern-language
      New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures—With References.
      “Shepherd the Flock of God”—1 Peter 5:2
      English (ks10-E)
      Made in the United States of America
      Chapter 1
      page 6 quote
      2. “Shepherd the Flock of God” has been designed
      as a handbook for elders to supply vital information
      that will help them care for congregation matters.
      page 7 quote
      Because of efforts to simplify this publication,
      it does not cover every aspect of our work as elders.
      At times you may need to consult other publications
      and letters to the body of elders for detailed
      information. Be alert to future direction and adjustments
      so as to stay up-to-date on theocratic direction.

       
    • By Srecko Sostar
      According to this text in "Shepherd book", page 38,39 elders are allowed to hide their own sins or sins of colleagues, elders.  
      19. If it comes to light or an appointed
      brother confesses that he has committed a disfellowshipping
      offense years in the past:
      The body of elders may determine he can continue to
      serve if the following is true: The immorality or other
      serious wrongdoing occurred more than a few years
      ago, and he is genuinely repentant, recognizing that
      he should have come forward immediately when he
      sinned. (Perhaps he has even confessed to his sin,
      seeking help with his guilty conscience.) He has been
      serving faithfully for many years, has evidence of
      God’s blessing, and has the respect of the congregation.
      20. If the sin occurred before he was appointed as
      an elder or a ministerial servant, the elders will need
      to take into consideration the fact that he should
      have mentioned this possible impediment to his being
      qualified when elders interviewed him just prior
      to announcing his appointment. Moreover, the nature
      of the sin may reflect greatly on his qualifications
      to serve. For example, the sin may involve past
      child abuse, and this would likely disqualify him for
      many years.—w97 1/1 pp. 26-29; w77 pp. 697-698.
      38            “Shepherd the Flock of God”—1 Peter 5:2
      21. If the wrongdoing occurred within the past few
      years while he was serving as an elder or a ministerial
      servant, he is disqualified from serving as such, not
      being “free from accusation.” (1 Tim. 3:2, 10; Titus 1:
      6, 7) Depending on the circumstances, the situation
      may also need to be handled by a judicial committee.
      —See 5:43-44.
      Chapter 3                                                                     39
    • By James Thomas Rook Jr.
      This is a three part question with THREE related answers:
      I saw a movie about a year ago about this Cowboy, driving his jeep through the desert, and he comes upon about six cars and pickup trucks grouped together, out in the middle of nowhere ... with bodies all around and in the vehicles. Apparently a drug deal had "gone bad", and the buyers and sellers had killed each other.. The pickup trucks are full of bales of drugs, and the cars are full of suitcases full of money. The Cowboy puts gasoline on the drugs, burning them up, and goes home with the money.
      Did he STEAL the money ... and  does he have a moral responsibility to return it to the people who were going to buy the drugs?
      Bear in mind, he has broken NO LAW ... and he is not legally REQUIRED to report the criminal activity ..... much like the Society's position that they will not turn JW child sex abusers over to the police unless legally REQUIRED to do so.
      Using the principles long established by the WTB&TS .... I would be inclined to keep the money !
      Of course I would check for hidden tracking transmitters in the suitcases ... and take other evasive precautions.
      .Question 1.) Did the Cowboy STEAL the money ... ?
      Question 2.) Does he have a moral responsibility to return it to the people who were going to buy the drugs ... ?
      Question 3.) What would YOU do?
      EXTRA CREDIT:  Was it immoral for the Cowboy to deliberately destroy the drug dealers' property?
    • By James Thomas Rook Jr.
      My wife and I are planning to see the movie  "DUNKIRK" this weekend, and I have seen "Saving Private Ryan", and "Schindler's List", all very violent war movies, and in my opinion very IMPORTANT movies to see. 
      The list of incredibly important movies could fill a notebook.
      I could probably list 10 off the top of my head .. some important for very different reasons.
      "The Notebook" comes to mind.
      Some, merely cultural icons, like the entire STAR WARS and STAR TREK franchises, etc.
      What has been your actual experience about what kinds of movies the Brotherhood actually sees ?
       
    • By James Thomas Rook Jr.
      SCENARIO:  You are at a packed Kingdom Hall on Memorial night, and ten minutes into the remembrance talk, six masked people with weapons enter the Kingdom Hall and begin shooting everyone they can, without any conversation.  
      You are shot in the left side of your face and most of those teeth are gone.
      Before you know what is going on twelve Brothers and Sisters have been shot, screaming and panic ensues, and there is blood and bodies and brains all over, and the shooting continues.
      Would it be fitting for a Brother  to use his handgun to return fire on the murderers to try and save his own life, or the lives of his Brothers and Sisters?
      Or, in PubSpeak ... "Would it be fitting for a Christian to keep a firearm, such as a handgun or a rifle, for protection against other humans?" ( July 2017 Watchtower )
      This raises MANY Theocratic, moral, ethical, legal, and Societial policy questions ... all of which have REAL answers. 
      What is the RIGHT thing for a responsible Christian to do?
    • Guest Nicole
      By Guest Nicole
      A WOMAN  who was molested by her father over 5 years and afterwards by a Jehovah’s Witnesses she asked for assistance has oral out about her ordeal.
      Terrified Angie Rodgers, from Ayrshire, was abused weekly by her perverted Jehovah’s Witness father Ian Cousins from a age of 11.

      Angie Rodgers was 11 years aged when her father started abusing her
      The dauntless teen eventually plucked adult a bravery to disclose in a Jehovah’s Witness elders, who took small action and she was after abused by one of them too, Harry Holt.
      Angie, now 36, said: “I incited to a church for assistance and we was abused a second time.
      “I was a child and they should have helped, though they incited on me. They make me feel sick.
      “I don’t consider I’ll ever get over what happened. I’ve usually schooled to live with it.
      “I have nightmares and flashbacks all a time and been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress.”
      Angie’s father was detained for 5 years in 2002 for his crimes, while Holt was usually jailed final year for Angie’s attack along with 7 others he molested.
      Now aged 36, Angie, a mother-of-four, has bravely waived her anonymity in a wish her story will assistance other people.
      She said: “Dad did it whenever he got a chance, even when we was ill.

      Angie Rodgers poses here with others in a Jehovah’s Witness community
      “Once, we was throwing adult with gastric influenza when father brought me home a feathery bunny, with a organic white floral dress and bloomers.
      “My wordless went to a Kingdom (church) and my father scooped me adult in his arms from a couch, took me to his room and molested me.
      “I prayed my wordless would come and save me though she never did. After that he used to try to hold me whenever we were alone. It got worse and worse.
      “We went to a Jehovah gathering when we was about 14 and he attempted to rape me in a tent. He was usually interrupted when an elder shouted him from outside.”
      At a age of 15 Angie confided in a friend, whose father led a opposite church, in a wish that they would be means to stop a abuse.
      While her father Cousins was called in for a “judicial meeting” no movement was taken, as Jehovah’s Witness elders can't act opposite suspects unless “there is a admission or dual convincing witnesses”.
      Angie was afterwards subjected to an talk by 3 masculine elders including Holt, where she was done to plead insinuate sum of a abuse.
      She explained: “They even asked what I’d been wearing, as if it was my fault. It was excruciating. we was so genuine we was still personification with toys and Lego during 18.”
      As Cousins showed plea for his sins he was authorised behind into a church after being reprimanded – and a abuse stopped.
      A brief while after in 1997, Holt done a pierce on Angie when pushing her home following a event door-knocking for members.
      She said: “On a approach home in a automobile he grabbed my leg and felt his approach adult towards my underwear.”
      Shocked, a immature lady told her relatives about a occurrence and a explanation led to Holt journey to Edinburgh.
      It was suggested in justice final year that he went on to abuse some-more children.
      Angie motionless to make a censure to a military about her father when she found out he had also abused another dual girls.
      She also incited her behind on a Jehovah’s Witnesses during 19 in a wish of starting fresh.
      The sacrament is pronounced to inspire members to reject people who leave, and Angie claimed that she didn’t see her mom for 6 years after she left.
      In 2014 a censure was done opposite Holt, and Angie concluded to come brazen and pronounce about her horrific experience.
      In Feb 2016, 71-year-old Holt was condemned to three-and-a-half years in jail for a abuse of 8 girls between 1971 and 2004.
      Angie said: “If what happened to me helps usually one immature lady – or child – go to a military it will have been value it. What happened to me is horrible though I’m perplexing to pierce on, differently my abusers have won.
      “The sacrament is zero though a cult. Children are kept wordless by fears of Holy condemnation and Armageddon if they move a church into ill repute.
      “It’s that fear and a fear of being shunned by friends and family if we leave that stops victims from stating to police. It’s primitive and it has to stop.”
      When contacted, a Jehovah’s Witnesses wouldn’t criticism on Angie’s box though they did criticism on their position in general.
      The matter said: “Jehovah’s Witnesses detest child abuse and perspective it as a iniquitous crime and sin. Safety of a children is of a pinnacle importance.
      “Elders do not defense abusers from a authorities. Anyone who commits a impiety of child abuse faces exclusion from a congregation. Any idea Jehovah’s Witnesses cover adult abuse is false.
      “We are doing all we can to forestall child abuse and to yield devout comfort to any who have suffered from this terrible impiety and crime.”

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    • By Bible Speaks
      "Let him call the older men of the congregation to him, and let them pray over him."—Jas. 5:14.
      "And the prayer of faith will make the sick one well, and Jehovah will raise him up. Also, if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. Therefore, openly confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, so that you may be healed. A righteous man’s supplication has a powerful effect." James 5:15,16


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      Are elder's wives privy to info that is transferred via the electronic site for elders, either by reading it themselves or being informed of it before, or even if, it is announced to the congregation?
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