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2 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

seat in Moses chair

The disciples and many others have been listening. Now Jesus addresses them, warning about the scribes and the Pharisees. Those men have “seated themselves in the seat of Moses” to teach God’s Law. - source jworg

2 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Do you believe this text is only meant for secular authority?

It seems how, after new interpretations on "secular authority", you put yourself on Moses seat :)))) Or you just copy/paste some WT magazine. If yes, tell the source.

2 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

How do you understand the cited text?

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing

Do you believe this text is only meant for secular authority?

According to your new light, donation money from now have new name - taxes?! And for what purpose? For service of those who governing in WTJWORG. Well, I see from this that JW's have PAID CLERGY, according to this understanding of Bible words.

:)))))) very good 

 

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@BillyTheKid46  Are you really using the Romans 13 scripture to mean the GB ? Are you joking ?

The Superior Authorities to whom we pay taxes are worldly governments. Surely even you can understand that ? 

You are proving day by day that you are not a JW.  

The only power the GB have is what they give themselves and what their servants (most JW's) give them.

The GB has no power given by God or Jesus Christ. 

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On 5/17/2019 at 8:05 PM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

I would just like to remind you that until Jehovah God "overthrew" and replaced the old Jewish System, Jesus HIMSELF commended the unnamed widow for supporting the corrupt system that they all had to endure.

Jehovah had his Son fully submissive to the "old system" of governance ... and until Jehovah overthrows the CURRENT system (and there is nobody on Earth that can disfellowship the Governing Body) ... Jehovah's Witnesses are "The Only Game In Town".

Jehovah set the example of doing what he could... with what he had to work with.

 

Jesus gave the early disciples the signs of that coming system’s demise and when those who still remained in Jerusalem, were to leave.  The Romans had already set up authority over Jerusalem, the “Holy City” and temple.   They were the “abomination”/Gentiles standing in the “holy place”.  Matt 24:15  The Roman army represented their emperor, carrying his iconic image and the image of the legion, and were bestowed with honor.

“When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that its desolation has come near. 21 Then those in Judea must flee to the mountains. Those inside the city must leave it, and those who are in the country must not enter it, 22 because these are days of vengeance to fulfill all the things that are written. Luke 21:20-22 

Jesus warned them to leave and flee to the mountains.  Matt 24:16  They were not to stick around upon recognizing this threat.  Those that remained in Jerusalem until its fall, lost their lives – millions of them. 

There is another fulfillment of these scriptures – a spiritual fulfillment.  Today’s “Temple” in the anointed ones is “surrounded by armies” – the “Gentile” nation of unanointed elders.  While the anointed must remain “humble”, the elders are bestowed with honor.  The elders have breached the “temple walls” carrying their lies and setting up an “abomination of desolation”. Dan 11:31  This “royal priesthood” is restricted in the way they are to worship, they must rely on the “daily sacrifices” coming from an “emperor” and his army, and not on truth from Jesus Christ.  Matt 21:33; Neh 1:3  They are powerless and scattered.  Rev 13:1,2,5-8

 In addition, anointed Christians do not view themselves as being part of an elite club. They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study. (

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) Such efforts would cause divisions within the congregation and work against the holy spirit, which promotes peace and unity.—Read 
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. WT 16/1 p.24

God gave them Holy Spirit to teach the people. Mal 2:7; 1 John 2:27  In the Watchtower, they are refrained from utilizing this gift by offering  “daily sacrifices of praise.” that  are to come from their heart; not from an elder body who delivers rotten food from a wicked slave.  Matt 24:48-51 (1 Pet 2:5,9)

Many people will say Matt 24:15 doesn’t have any further fulfillment.  But notice Rev 11:1,2 which was written after Jerusalem’s downfall:

Then I was given a measuring reed like a rod,[

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] with these words: “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count those who worship there. But exclude the courtyard outside the temple. Don’t measure it, because it is given to the nations,[
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](Gentiles)
 and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months.  Rev 11:1,2

The “holy city” is the Temple/New Jerusalem and the dwelling of God – the anointed ones.  (Gal 4:26;Rev 21:2)

Don’t you yourselves know that you are God’s temple and that the Spirit of God lives in you? If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him; for God’s temple is holy, and that is what you are. 1 Cor 3:16,17

Has the dual power in the organization “destroyed” the anointed ones/God’s temple?  Spiritually, yes.  They have been replaced by the elders, and have allowed “images” of an idol/ organization to over-run their worship.   They obey the elder army and are excluded from speaking and uniting in truth under Jesus Christ. 

2 Thess 2:

 “Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him: We ask you, brothers and sisters, not to be easily upset or troubled, either by a prophecy[

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] or by a message or by a letter supposedly from us, alleging that the day of the Lord has come.Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the apostasy[
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 comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits (rules) in God’s temple, proclaiming that he himself is God.”

If we remember Wt’s latest admittance that Christendom is not anti-typical Jerusalem, then we know where this message will have its fulfillment, which is where the true Temple/anointed ones are gathered and surrounded, by an “army” of spiritual, “uncircumcised Gentiles”.   It is in the WT that the proclamation has been made concerning the “day of the Lord”, as 1914.  The apostasy/”man of lawlessness”/”Gentiles”/”abomination” over God’s spiritual Temple is evident. 

When we perceive this, we are to flee.  Remaining inside is a treacherous proposition.  But as we know, the WT uses deceit to hold God’s Temple members and their companions, hostage to a lie.

"To survive, we must keep our faith strong and loyally worship Jehovah with his organization...May each one of us stay close to Jehovah and move ahead with his organization"ws14 5/15 pp. 21-26 

And may each one, "listen, obey, and be blessed" by following their regime, not to the structure God has already outlined within the anointed Body of Christ.

 

 

Pearl Doxsey - First the "wall"...then the entire "Temple"  4womaninthewilderness

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2 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

If there is a choice between two equally well thought out answers to a conundrum ... the one with the fewer words is probably the right one.

Or do you just lack concentration time span ? :)  

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7 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Or do you just lack concentration time span ? :)  

Many words put people into an "Alpha State" of mind, which lowers their mental acuity dramatically.  When someone can answer a question with one sentence, and I get a half-hour dissertation on the history of the Universe. I either walk away, or interrupt with "Is there a bottom line to this story?"

I have found most three day Assemblies can be covered in a two page email.... and save three days, and $400.

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33 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

I have found most three day Assemblies can be covered in a two page email

This is so only if you are spiritually impervious and the bulk of what is offered bounces off you like skipping stones on a stagnant pond.

(I am being very mean to JTR lately. I want to apologize to him for a previous mean reply and I am just about fixing myself up to do it when he posts some crass &.attacking remark that recalls to my mind why I insulted him in the first place>)

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TTH: Because I never take offense ... ( Invariably a sign of neurotic insecurity, living in a fragile fantasy world of mental construct, or other mental instability ...) give it your best shot !

I gives me a rational, non-pushy excuse for a broadside rebuttal!

The worst that can happen is I get a hernia from belly-laughing!

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24 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

This is so only if you are spiritually impervious and the bulk of what is offered bounces off you like skipping stones on a stagnant pond.

Noaw that the GB is no longer preaching types/antitypes out the Wazoo, prophesys that never come true out the Kazoo,  and juggling Gog of Magog and King of the North like live chain saws, the 85% drivel is slowly evaporating ... but the 15% core truths that are valuable and irreplaceable can be stated in two pages.

That includes our ENTIRE theology.

The part that is not clueless pontification anyway.

I would include some imogis (emojis?), but I did not download the worksheet from the Society's web site of how to decide which one to use, and I do not want anyone to think I am flirting with you

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Talking of flirting, that is what the Assemblies are for. Finding a mating partner to procreate, after getting married of course. 

Well, have to keep the numbers up in the 'flock'.  All the young dudes put on their tight suits and the dudesses dress up in sexy clothes and very high heels. Does it meet with God's approval ? Well God created man and woman to be attracted to each other so as to keep the human race going. Lets not pretend it doesn't happen. 

I did notice in the last couple of years of my time in the Org, that older folks stopped attending assemblies. Travel for older folks can be a bit much, but i think it was boredom too. It's a lot of hassle to learn nothing new. 

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Even in ancient days, Assemblies were VERY important ... but they discussed theology, economics and military strategy, and agriculture and animal husbandry, and judicial matters, as well as keeping the gene pool strong, through long distance marriages.

I used to ( and still would, except that they are grown and on their own...) insist that Assemblies are VERY important .... if for no other reason than to find an exceptional mate ... which two out of three of my children did in fact do, and my Daughter is still single.

Assemblies are too far for my wife and I, and we have six dogs and 20 chickens ... the dogs need insulin twice a day, and the chickens needing fresh water five times a day.

And I and my wife need a nap, to avoid dying in mid-step in the  living room like one of our overworked Elders did, in his living room.

When I lived and worked in Roanoke Virginia, I met several old brothers who had NEVER been out of Roanoke County, which, like an elephant graveyard, is where all the ugly Sisters go to die.

 

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It appears Butler and Srecko don’t understand American English if it wasn’t with a lot of humor attached to it.

How silly, is the misapplication of a stated text be by those blind enough not to read and understand the context. I guess Jesus was correct about the blind leading the blind.

The good thing, there are 3-year-olds with greater intelligence than what is being displayed here. I must admit, I found the comment of "new light" hilarious.

This is why James, attempting to sidestep the ideology that the Watchtower GB took that position of the 7 instead of thinking they earned it, makes me think, He doesn’t understand what Titus meant to Paul and the reason why Paul sent Titus ahead.

Maybe someday, you’ll learn to understand the highlighted portion of a text, before commenting, and apply them to the argument at hand. This will give someone a clue, that a self-appointed anointed cannot possibly have that title if that person continues to break Biblical laws.

Keep it up, people, you are the laughing stock of Bible understanding.

Another reason not to have a poor teacher as a self-proclaimed anointed to guide the blind.

Another good reason not to waste my time, with deaf and blind opposers, with this subject anymore.

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7 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

If there is a choice between two equally well thought out answers to a conundrum ... the one with the fewer words is probably the right one.

The long and the short of it is that there is a “disgusting thing” – an “abomination of desolation” – a “Gentile” army of elders – ruling over/sitting/standing in the “holy place”; which is the Temple/anointed priesthood. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17 

If we perceive this absolute reality, we are to FLEE.

  2 Chron 13:9;  Num 18:7; Ezek 44:6-9; Dan 11:31; Matt 24:15,16; Luke 21:20-22; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev.11:1,2

 

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2 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

This will give someone a clue, that a self-appointed anointed cannot possibly have that title if that person continues to break Biblical laws.

It is very disheartening to see how you degrade people, more so than any person I have ever met; whether they are your "brothers" or your enemies.  Each one receives the same degradation as the next.  I am never disappointed in how you fulfill that role.  

Biblical laws are the Word of God in Christ.  I follow Christ; you follow men.  I think you mean I have broken men's laws that you perceive as coming from Jesus Christ.  This is called blind slavery to men's lust for power.  2 Cor 4:4

Don’t you know that if you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of that one you obey—either of sin leading to death or of obedience leading to righteousness? Rom 6:16

You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of people.  1 Cor 7:23

knowing that you will receive the reward of an inheritance from the Lord. You serve the Lord Christ.  Col 3:24

 For am I now trying to persuade people, or God? Or am I striving to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.  Gal 1:10

Put no more trust in a mere human, who has only the breath in his nostrils. What is he really worth?  Isa 2:22

 

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29 minutes ago, Witness said:

It is very disheartening to see how you degrade people, more so than any person I have ever met; whether they are your "brothers" or your enemies.  Each one receives the same degradation as the next.  I am never disappointed in how you fulfill that role.  

This is hilarious coming from a person that has been hell-bent on trashing the Watchtower GB. Can you even hear yourself think? However, show me, one good Brother, here? As for enemies (opposers) I treat them exactly the way they treat me, and as scripture states as unbelievers that don't deserve my undo attention. 😁

Therefore, your suggestion and commentary are meaningless, since those that have known the law need to repent to be considered part of Christs Body once again. Where do you and your kind stack up to God's commands? 😉

Try to practice what you preach. Then it will take a 1000 fold to be considered and anointed. The first thing an anointed learns, Don't break God's commandments, regardless of how one feels inward. 🤔

A true JW does not support opposers. A true JW doesn't incite disagreements or sow discourse to make a book. A true JW doesn't come out of the Bethel Family to trash the GB the same way you are doing. A true JW doesn't support opposers conspiracies like that of 1975. So, don't get sanctimonious in telling me, there is my kind of brothers here since I can go on and on. 😪

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If you still haven’t figured it out, Proverbs 6:14, Proverbs 6:16-19,

 

 Romans 16:17-18 New International Version (NIV)

17 I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. 18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.

Titus 3:9-11 New International Version (NIV)

But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. 10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. 11 You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned.

Did I not mention Titus? Did I not already subscribe the remedy earlier? How much more can the blind go before the other senses kick in? Why should I eliminate God’s laws to accommodate anyone here?

James. Laughed at me earlier, because he believes I'm in the same level as people here, but does he know the difference between arguing to maintain God’s sovereignty? Rather than just argue to cause divisions. He doesn’t? Which one good brother can I count on here that hasn't done this within God's Commands and Watchtower understanding.

However, I will gladly start to comply with that commandment of "have nothing to do with them" from this point on.

I will stick to the talking points of mishandling, misrepresenting, and misapplying published articles or script. What I won't do anymore is have anything to do with opposers and those that support opposing views. Peace Out!

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1 hour ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

This is hilarious coming from a person that has been hell-bent on trashing the Watchtower GB. Can you even hear yourself think?

I do, and I realize that at least you wear your heart on your sleeve; while the GB members feign piety as they direct each person who resists their headship when choosing Christ instead,  to be cut off from all family and friends...and marked as "dead".  This also includes those who know that a lie is always a lie, and truth is always truth.  John 15:16  Little does the GB realize how this can relieve the oppressive load men put on men for their selfish gain.  Matt 5:10,11; 10:39; 19:29; John 16:2; Matt 13:22; 2 Tim 4:3; Rev 13:15; Jer 6:13

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      •Gift-giving, feasting, partying: The Encyclopedia Americana says: “Saturnalia, a Roman feast celebrated in mid-December, provided the model for many of the merry-making customs of Christmas. From this celebration, for example, were derived the elaborate feasting, the giving of gifts, and the burning of candles.” The Encyclopædia Britannica notes that “all work and business were suspended” during Saturnalia.
      •Christmas lights: According to The Encyclopedia of Religion, Europeans decorated their homes “with lights and evergreens of all kinds” to celebrate the winter solstice and to combat evil spirits.
      •Mistletoe, holly: “The Druids ascribed magical properties to the mistletoe in particular. The evergreen holly was worshiped as a promise of the sun’s return.”—The Encyclopedia Americana.
      •Christmas tree: “Tree worship, common among the pagan Europeans, survived after their conversion to Christianity.” One of the ways in which tree worship survived is in the custom of “placing a Yule tree at an entrance or inside the house in the midwinter holidays.”—Encyclopædia Britannica.
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