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2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

BUT than, how to follow Jesus example? HE was braking The Law (Old Testament ... and Your's) and eat and drink and associated with "garbage", .... for entire time of his short life.

in what sense was Jesus breaking God's covenant. You seem to forget, starting from the ancient Israelites, Jews along with their ancestors broke God's commandments. The "fact" that Jesus started including everyone, including those that were lost and those that never knew God's Laws, cannot be viewed as breaking them.

Remember, scripture, with Jesus words, I did not come here to abolish the laws but to extend them to include, what?

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his provision of the laws already there. This set a theme for Christ followers to inherit the new understanding. Therefore, Jesus set a pattern for Christian ethics and standards, modern disciples, as well as the old, would need to obey if they were looking toward, personal salvation.

You need to look at those distinctions before you commit to scriptural law. Enjoy, your day Srecko!

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3 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

in what sense was Jesus breaking God's covenant.

my quote: HE was breaking The Law (Old Testament ... and Your's) 

He was breaking The Law, because Anointed Legal Priesthood (similar to WTJWORG GB today) of those time said so ! :)))))   

Elders and Priests, almost all Spiritual Elders and Shepherds of Israel in Jerusalem and in other places where they came in conversation and discussion with Jesus, showed by Their Interpretations of Holy Scriptures, that Jesus was breaking God's Rules and Commands.    

So, to who should/would you believe that speaking the true? To Man from Nazareth? Or to established Priesthood? :)))

To who JWs should/would believe? To some individuals? Or to established GB and Their Interpretations?

  

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4 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

my quote: HE was breaking The Law (Old Testament ... and Your's) 

He was breaking The Law, because Anointed Legal Priesthood (similar to WTJWORG GB today) of those time said so ! :)))))   

Elders and Priests, almost all Spiritual Elders and Shepherds of Israel in Jerusalem and in other places where they came in conversation and discussion with Jesus, showed by Their Interpretations of Holy Scriptures, that Jesus was breaking God's Rules and Commands.    

So, to who should/would you believe that speaking the true? To Man from Nazareth? Or to established Priesthood? :)))

To who JWs should/would believe? To some individuals? Or to established GB and Their Interpretations?

  

Very good comment @Srecko Sostar Exactly true. 

 

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3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

my quote: HE was breaking The Law (Old Testament ... and Your's) 

He was breaking The Law, because Anointed Legal Priesthood (similar to WTJWORG GB today) of those time said so ! :)))))   

Elders and Priests, almost all Spiritual Elders and Shepherds of Israel in Jerusalem and in other places where they came in conversation and discussion with Jesus, showed by Their Interpretations of Holy Scriptures, that Jesus was breaking God's Rules and Commands.    

So, to who should/would you believe that speaking the true? To Man from Nazareth? Or to established Priesthood? :)))

To who JWs should/would believe? To some individuals? Or to established GB and Their Interpretations?

I got you the first time.  Who are you trying to satisfy with this commentary? You’re starting to sound like, witness. First, understand the role of the ancient Levites to those of the Jerusalem priesthood in Jesus time.

Jesus judges the Pharisees.

Seven Woes to the Scribes and Pharisees

23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2“The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat, 3 so practice and observe whatever they tell you—but not what they do. For they preach but do not practice. 4 They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. 5 They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, 6 and they clove the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues 7 and greetings in the marketplaces and being called frabbi2 by others.

 

When you say Jesus was breaking the laws, which laws are you referring to. God’s laws or the provisional laws set forth by the Pharisees and High Priest. An example of a provisional law was the law Moses applied to divorce. How about the mandate of stoning for adultery.

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You are claiming The Priesthood was mightier than the Son of God. However, what do you think Jesus meant with “so practice and observe whatever they tell you” to mean?

Where do you see Caiaphas (High Priest) in the scheme of things, using deception and lies to have God’s son killed?

I don’t know where you got that idea, but it’s an extremely wrong one. Especially, when those groups consorted with each other to have Jesus killed because those “men” wanted to be higher than Jesus, and they didn’t want to lose their authority over the people.

Whose laws were these high priest breaking, that you only question Jesus?

If you are referring to the Pharisees, Sadducees, High priests that were breaking God’s commandments by their actions and deeds, and by adding to the laws (self-imposed) then your ideology is in question.

Then your comparison of the High Priest to that of the modern GB is off the mark since they have yet to self-impose anything that isn’t directly linked to scripture. That you think otherwise, is a matter of your own opinion.

Therefore, the question becomes, whose authority was to be obeyed by Jesus standards? God’s or the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes, High Priest.

When do you personally think the GB and the Watchtower wrote the below script citation in the Bible?

Hebrews 13:17 English Standard Version (ESV)

17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.

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7 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

When you say Jesus was breaking the laws, which laws are you referring to. God’s laws or the provisional laws set forth by the Pharisees and High Priest.

Which laws JW's have to obey today ? Laws set by GB? Or Jw's need to imitate Jesus and BREAKING provisional Laws set forth by GB?

7 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

However, what do you think Jesus meant with “so practice and observe whatever they tell you” to mean?

This was told before cca 2000 years. I suppose how today Jesus would modified a little his words and say:

Do not practice whatever they tell you that you must obey and doing. First you have to check what they are talking about and why. If you are not sure, then come to me and ask me about. I will help you with your questions. For false messiahs and false prophets performing great signs and wonders to deceive".   

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45 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

This was told before cca 2000 years. I suppose how today Jesus would modified a little his words and say:

Do not practice whatever they tell you that you must obey and doing. First you have to check what they are talking about and why. If you are not sure, then come to me and ask me about. I will help you with your questions. For false messiahs and false prophets performing great signs and wonders to deceive".   

Now, who is putting words in Jesus' mouth? Can anyone alter scripture? sure they can. As you state, Jesus warned us about false prophets. By making an assumption to how "Jesus would modify a little of his words and say" what do you think you are doing?

However, give me a good example of how the GB are self-imposing and adding a provisional law? have witness, Jwinsider, John, James, contact you through MMS to help you if you need it.

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20 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

However, give me a good example of how the GB are self-imposing and adding a provisional law?

Read, please, WT published material for latest 140 years and you will find examples.... :)) ....even without my help.

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3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Read, please, WT published material for latest 140 years and you will find examples.... :)) ....even without my help.

That's what I thought. Please learn the fundamentals of scripture. You will learn, the Watchtower brought back the foundation of the first century Christianity of scripture back from false religion. If you bother to look hard, many modern churches are now adapting those Christian ethics. They still have a ways to go to embody Jesus, but they should thank the Watchtower for paving the way.

Will your confusion and hate ever give you the opportunity to once again see that distinction? Not by hanging around here reading garbage and accepting it as truth. Remember your opinion is your truth, NOT the truth. Not by listening to people like James and JWinsider.

I will give you an illustration. Certain JW's are perplexed over in the manner of Jesus death. They rack their brains to find evidence, why the Watchtower is wrong for suggesting Christ died in a torture stake. Some make the same arguments ex-witnesses do, and they feel strongly about it.

They decide, what we know about history, Jesus died on a TAU cross, not a Stauros. They have brainwashed themselves, they now believe the Watchtower to be in error.

But actually, have they researched that a simple letter would find as the cause of death. Scripture then becomes the excuse. But, if they bother to use "word" association, they would have figured out the closest possible solution by Pilates own words would be referring to a "gibbet."

Then you use word association to a particular symbol. TAU, Latin cross, Stauros. What definition closest resembles the manner of Christ death?

Then, do these so-called witnesses have compelling evidence or just another opinion just like yours, and all those years trying to disprove the Watchtower was just wasted time.

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8 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

They decide, what we know about history, Jesus died on a TAU cross, not a Stauros. They have brainwashed themselves, they now believe the Watchtower to be in error.

You are right. We have paved the way in some areas, and this matter of Jesus dying on a cross, which some malcontents retreat from, is one of them. Here is an evangelical preacher who created a sensation by writing the same.

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By the way, that brother who I wrote about who would move his hand up and down frantically across his breastbone when coming across something unexpected? That was not Tom Oxgoad, my own fictional character. That was Dave McClure, a circuit overseer who passed away some years ago. What a hoot he was. Everyone loved him.

I used to stick to these guys like glue back in the day when I was single. I even got to be his chauffeur in the afternoon, because he liked a break from driving. He had me stop in at one of those Photomat kiosks long ago in a parking lot—places that you dropped off film for developing. I pulled ahead slightly and from the back seat he spoke with the attendant, who couldn’t find his photos and so offered him a free roll of film. “There’s going to be blood in the sun if you don’t find those pictures,” he said, using some hillbilly expression that I had never heard before, “unless you want to take me on another vacation.” He made that girl turn her little kiosk upside down, searching each nook and cranny. “I understand that things happen,” he told me later. “It’s just that cavalier attitude that they should lose my pictures and think I will be satisfied with a free role of film that’s nettling.”

 

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1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

You are right. We have paved the way in some areas, and this matter of Jesus dying on a cross, which some malcontents retreat from, is one of them. Here is an evangelical preacher who created a sensation by writing the same.

For decades now, there are many within the organization that standardized the opinion, since classic Greek used the word Stavros (stake, upright pole) that was the only bases the Watchtower had to conclude Jesus died on a torture stake.

The Watchtower investigates at length all possible avenues to come to a discernable conclusion. Pontius Pilate made a report on the event. He used two distinct words that need consideration. Crucifixion, and hanging.

Given the Roman attitude to disgrace Christ as depicted in scripture? The TAU in their time was used as a victory banner. Pilate’s letter did not indicate Jesus crucifixion to be a victory but a curse upon humanity.

The only 2 possible crosses that are left is Constantine’s Latin cross that all of Christendom revere and the application of the word in classic Greek, not Koine Greek of Stauros. Here comes into question what the word used by Pontius Pilate, meant when he stated “hanging.” Researching all possible avenues, you see the distinction between “Gibbet” and “Stauros.” Why not the Latin cross. If Jesus was crucified in that manner, the word hanging would have very little meaning to its definition, since the form “free hanging” would need to be considered for the body. The difference between that free hanging with a TAU, Latin cross, and the Stavros differ dramatically.

Therefore, the most appropriate understanding given all the facts in that historical event would be to accept the Classic Greek word.

This is a good reason why the Watchtower adapted and accepted that understanding.

Noun

Noun: gibbet; plural noun: gibbets

A gallows.

o  An upright post with an arm on which the bodies of executed criminals were left hanging as a warning or deterrent to others.

o  Execution by hanging.

Of course, this example would not be the only foundation to make a wise decision, but it’s the most compelling.

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One other thing, before, critics start crawling out of the woodwork. Remember the word “similarity” not exactly.

Remove from the picture the arm, and work with Pilates word hanging.

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15 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

You are claiming The Priesthood was mightier than the Son of God. However, what do you think Jesus meant with “so practice and observe whatever they tell you” to mean?

God's laws, fulfilled in Christ as the Word. Matt 5:17; John 1:1  Every other "law" or tradition set in place by the corrupted priesthood, oppressed the people: 

16 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

 4 They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger.

Jesus would not expect obedience to the ideologies and traditions of men, which is what he is referring to in the above scripture.  

"Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”  Matt 11:28-30

To the Pharisees, Jesus said:

You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.

9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ 11 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)— 12 then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. 13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” Mark 7:8-13

One of the  many "traditions of men" in the Watchtower is to "curse" one's mother, father, son, or daughter for following Christ''s teachings, which results in the "curse" of spiritual "death".  Rev 13:15  That conveniently locks out all obligations to one's say, parents; thus, more money, more time, more devotion, can be given to "Jehovah's organization" - as pioneers, in special assignments, and as elders.  

16 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Then your comparison of the High Priest to that of the modern GB is off the mark since they have yet to self-impose anything that isn’t directly linked to scripture. 

You mean, linked to the scriptures that describes the hypocrisy of the Pharisees? They expected obedience to them, and not to Christ.  Today, full obedience must be given to the GB and elder body - over Christ.   Your reasoning is twisted, Allen, in harmony with Watchtower's teachings; and not in harmony with the teachings of Jesus.

"Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”    

Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me."  John 14:21,23,24

His commands, not those of the GB who use an army of henchmen to carry out their will.  Matt 24:48-51

 

 

 

 

 

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When you say Jesus was breaking the laws, which laws are you referring to. God’s laws or the provisional laws set forth by the Pharisees and High Priest. An example of a provisional law was the law Moses applied to divorce. How about the mandate of stoning for adultery.

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@BillyTheKid46  You do puzzle me sometimes. 

I really do not think you are a JW at all.  The scripture you have used regarding Adultery is a scripture that is not contained in the NWT, because said scripture is thought to have been a later addition added by a translator and it is quite possible that Jesus never said or did those things. 

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2 hours ago, Witness said:

God's laws, fulfilled in Christ as the Word. Matt 5:17; John 1:1  Every other "law" or tradition set in place by the corrupted priesthood, oppressed the people: 

Indeed. The word was well before creation as the firstborn of creation. This is why Jesus also can be relative to the Role of a Levite Preist.  Therefore, explain it to Srecko, he doesn't understand. You might also consider your position about the Royal Priesthood.

2 hours ago, Witness said:

Jesus would not expect obedience to the ideologies and traditions of men, which is what he is referring to in the above scripture.  

"Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”  Matt 11:28-30

 

With this, we can agree Jesus was placing judgment on the conduct of the prevailing priesthood. However, did Christ suggest to disobey? where, in scripture have you found that fallacy. Even Christ urged the converts to obey secular authority. I made an example for Srecko to respond intellectually, but it passed him by. Now, gather both ideologies you and Srecko have, and decide which component did Jesus proclaim in scripture to obey the leaders, rather than submit a text that is taken out of context.

 

2 hours ago, Witness said:

You mean, linked to the scriptures that describes the hypocrisy of the Pharisees? They expected obedience to them, and not to Christ.  Today, full obedience must be given to the GB and elder body - over Christ.   Your reasoning is twisted, Allen, in harmony with Watchtower's teachings; and not in harmony with the teachings of Jesus.

Yes, specifically all that the Watchtower is all about. Having a direct link to scripture. The constitution of the Watchtower (Holy Bible) as prescribed by Christ. I asked Srecko to give me an example of a provisional law the Watchtower has added to the laws of God. His sarcasm of 140 years just doesn't prove anything.

However, I will ask you, where you see the citation in Hebrews to prove The GB are fellow members just like the rest of us that comprise the body of Christ is no different than that of the first-century pilgrims? The apostles followed Christ, as Jesus instructed everyone to do the same. The Goods News and making disciples was a lineage instruction from Christ directly.

Either you submit to the entire word of God, or you don't. People cannot pick an chose only the things in scripture that feels right for their argument.

Therefore, they take responsibility as leaders just like the Elders. Where in scripture does it specifically state, the body of Christ shouldn't have leaders?

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

I really do not think you are a JW at all.  The scripture you have used regarding Adultery is a scripture that is not contained in the NWT, because said scripture is thought to have been a later addition added by a translator and it is quite possible that Jesus never said or did those things. 

Sorry to disappoint you. If anything, I more a witness than witness and all these JW's in this forum put together.

However, a true student of the Bible will use as examples all afforded avenues to make a point.

Ones that you can compare and get the similarities of what scripture is? A true Christian can make references even with none canon script. They can use commentaries to drive a point. Therefore, I don’t see why you are nick picking unless you got an MMS from space merchant or JWinsider.

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22 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

If anything, I more a witness than witness and all these JW's in this forum put together.

 I hope how this pride and even arrogant self-praise is just result of short-term foolishness :))

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23 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

I asked Srecko to give me an example of a provisional law the Watchtower has added to the laws of God. His sarcasm of 140 years just doesn't prove anything.

We have always used the Bible as the sole authority for our beliefs, so we have adjusted our beliefs as our understanding of the Scriptures has been clarified. - source JWorg

Here we have maneuver by JW Clergy Leaders who try to justify, by Bible, how they have made/making changes of Organizational doctrines and beliefs, because they have not understand the Scriptures before (and today too). In meantime, while they were not been aware of false and wrong in own doctrines, they continued to force and run wrong laws inside JW congregations. 

Exactly this and that WTJWORG mandate beliefs, are what can be called by name you used in comment - provisional laws. With time passing, WT Leaders changed doctrines which they presented as Bible Truths and God's Word. After some time they made new doctrines out of old doctrines, and again they called such modified rules-doctrines-laws as Bible Truths and God's Word. They using lexical terminology such as;  adjusted our beliefs .....Scriptures has been clarified.

Well, we have different wording but same package of meanings and results: 

Provisional Laws ........ Adjusted our beliefs ...... Scriptures has been clarified. 

 

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Wow this is all so funny. Billy thinks it is ok for a Witness to use things that seem to pretend they are scripture when those people whom he serves (the GB and it's Writing department) say those things are not scripture.  So then billy thinks that makes him "more of a witness" by using 'fake scripture'. 

Oh dear, when we think on scripture it should make us humble not 'exalt ourselves'. (Matt 23 v 12 )

For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

I think Billy is showing his true colours now. 

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2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I hope how this pride and even arrogant self-praise is just result of short-term foolishness :))

If by this you mean, that I'm faithfully obeying God almighty through the Watchtower, Then yes, I'm very proud to be God's servant. However, you are correct, Srecko, I don't accept your foolishness. 😉

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1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Wow this is all so funny. Billy thinks it is ok for a Witness to use things that seem to pretend they are scripture when those people whom he serves (the GB and it's Writing department) say those things are not scripture.  So then billy thinks that makes him "more of a witness" by using 'fake scripture'. 

Just like your true colors are to be a whinny little girl that is ignorant to scripture. If it's listed it can be applied. However, put on your glasses to see I rarely use the NWT, since it doesn't include various books and citations that other bibles do. But since your making a big deal just like JWinsider, Anna, James, TrueTom would with grammar, What part do you believe is fake using other Bibles. The only thing "fake" I see here are opposers and apostates, like James and others.

Try getting a life, maybe that will help you in the short run. 😉

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4 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Here we have maneuver by JW Clergy Leaders who try to justify, by Bible, how they have made/making changes of Organizational doctrines and beliefs, because they have not understand the Scriptures before (and today too). In meantime, while they were not been aware of false and wrong in own doctrines, they continued to force and run wrong laws inside JW congregations. 

Exactly this and that WTJWORG mandate beliefs, are what can be called by name you used in comment - provisional laws. With time passing, WT Leaders changed doctrines which they presented as Bible Truths and God's Word. After some time they made new doctrines out of old doctrines, and again they called such modified rules-doctrines-laws as Bible Truths and God's Word. They using lexical terminology such as;  adjusted our beliefs .....Scriptures has been clarified.

I’m trying very hard to make my comments as simple as possible. But it seems there is still a lack of communication with you Srecko.

I believe I gave you an example of what a provisional law would entail. I asked you to submit a good example where the Watchtower has made a provisional law or changed God’s law to determine how to respond.

I understand English is not your first language, and I have no intention of insulting you for it as others here do with grammar.

I didn’t cite a Watchtower publication to make a point since opposers and fake members enjoy twisting its meaning, especially if it’s a past published citation. That’s why my example was with Moses and divorce. I could have used,

*** w91 8/15 p. 16 par. 12 The Abundant Goodness of Jehovah ***

12 In Moses’ day, Jehovah established a legal system for the new nation of Israel whereby unintentional sinners could obtain a provisional, or symbolic, forgiveness of sin. Through the Law covenant that Moses mediated, the Israelites became God’s special nation and were taught to offer to Jehovah various animal sacrifices that would cover their sins and unclean acts.

Now Jesus didn’t make provisional laws, nor added to the laws. Why in part to fulfill the law. I cited Matthew. To understand that, you need to look at the proper context of Galatians 3:19, even though John will probably say it’s fake, just because James and Witness say so.

Therefore, what did Jesus add, he made a New Covenant? Hebrews 7:22 as a mediator.

Another fake citation by the likes of people like John.

Now what changes come to the Watchtower?

1.      A better understanding of scripture when new citations of scripture are found?

2.      A better understanding when a script is made clearer with Linguistics?

3.      A better approach for the prevailing generation to understand the relative positions of humanity with scripture?

I can think of hundreds of citations that will make the argument. However, how many provisional laws Christ considered an overreach from the High Priest? How many adjustments did the apostles make in their approach to society when it came to dealing with different people and cultures? Matthew 28:19-20

Those are the changes you are arguing about the Watchtower makes to include new generations with Bible understanding. Not the laws of God. Then, there is no adjustment to the belief system, but a tactical adjustment to include new generations coming in with their world problems. Those adjustments that you condemn the Watchtower, are made in the spirit of scriptural understanding, not their own as you state.

If you can tell yourself when you were growing up and going to school, you learned nothing new as you went along, then you’re lying to yourself. Was it beneficial to you? Only you know. If you didn’t learn anything new, whose fault was that? Are you still speaking gibberish like a child?

Should the Watchtower continue to publish the same thing as other religions do with their doctrine from 100CE-300CE? Should the Watchtower continue to promote “hellfire” and other false presentations other religions have? Like allowing for homosexuality, fornication, etc.? Should the Watchtower give credence to the men of war? Yes, the killing of others is justifiable under their doctrine of patronage.

These are some areas where your claims lie. Who should JW’s listen to, scripture through the Watchtower that has distanced themselves from false religion and people like James, John, and Witness? Or people like you, just to be part of the crowd (part of the world)?

How can past published citations be beneficial? Not by comparing them to our present way of life, rather learn from them on how society (humanity) confronted problems and dealt with situations back then, through scripture.

If people here can lie to themselves by saying when I was born, I learned nothing, and I still think as a child, then I would have to believe, they were born in another planet.

There is NOTHING in your personal argument and opinion that has a legitimate claim on how you view the Watchtower.

However, here are some more “fake” script citations for you to consider.

Hebrews 6:1, Colossians 2:6-7, Luke 17:5, 1 Peter 2:2-3, Romans 5:20-21, Hebrews 5:12-14, 1 Corinthians 13:10-12,  Ephesians 4:13-16, 1 Timothy 4:11-15,

2 Peter 1:5-8

5 For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge

Stop paying attention to Witness, Srecko! The idea is to grow spiritually. However, the citation below is specially catered for your last comment.

Romans 5:2-6 New International Version (NIV)

through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we boast in the hope of the glory of God. Not only so, but we also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.

You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly.

 

 This just proves how wrong you are with meaning when you suggest words like pride, versus being boastful and enlightened with the word of God as a servant of God. When you have people declaring they are witnesses and act as ex-witnesses, what would you call that?

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      Was this in it's way a small prophecy ?                 
      The 2nd book of Timothy was written 65 C.E.  However 1,2,3, John and Revelation were written much later.
      So we have two points, 1. The writings were not complete when Paul wrote that information. 2, The Bible had not been constructed so no idea would have been formed as to what the Bible would contain. 
      Were there other writings ? Would they be considered as Scripture? 
      It seems that Paul was inspired to write that "All scripture is inspired.... " 
       
    • By Bible Speaks
      “Send out your light and your truth. May these themselves lead me.” Psalm 43:3.  JEHOVAH is very considerate in the way he makes his purposes known to his servants. Instead of revealing the truth all at once in one blinding flash of light, he enlightens us progressively. Our trek along life’s pathway might be compared to a walk that a hiker takes down a long trail. He starts out early in the morning and sees little. As the sun begins to rise slowly over the horizon, the hiker is able to distinguish a few features of his surroundings. The rest he sees in hazy outline. But as the sun continues its ascent, he can see farther and farther into the distance. So it is with the spiritual light that God provides. He allows us to discern a few things at a time. God’s Son, Jesus Christ, provided spiritual enlightenment in a similar manner. Let us learn how Jehovah enlightened his people in ancient times and how he does so today.

    • By Srecko Sostar
      "clear, pure water of truth" ?? ...and famous question that can be hear from platform and in witnessing "Would you drink water from a glass with just one drop of poison in it?"
       
      Water That Leads to Life
      ..."Jehovah’s Witnesses invite you to taste the pure waters of truth." .....
      [Picture on page 9]
      "You can find the ‘waters of truth’ at your local Kingdom Hall"
       
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    • By Jack Ryan
      In paragraph 9 of this weeks Watchtower it was talking about how children’s comments at the meetings can prompt newly interested ones to recognise the ring of truth.
      I donÂ’t recall ever hearing it referred to as the ring of truth before. Is this a new phrase theyÂ’re going to try and get everybody using along the lines of, the truth, the brotherhood, this wicked system of things, etc etc.
       
    • By Queen Esther
      THE  TRUTH  ABOUT  CHRISTMAS......
      The year was 1928, when Jehovah's people came to understand the God-dishonoring roots of Christmas. Since then, the pagan roots of Christmas customs have become general public knowledge..... but few people have made changes in their way of life as a result. But, Jehovah's Witnesses are always willing to make the needed changes in order to become more acceptable as servants of Jehovah God.
      When shown that celebrating the birth of Jesus had actually become of greater interest to people than the ransom provided by his death; that the revelry of the holiday and the spirit in which many gifts were given did not honor God;  that the magi whose gift-giving was being imitated were actually demon-inspired astrologers;  that parents set an example for their children in lying by what they told them about Santa Claus;  that  "St. Nicholas"
      (Santa Claus) was admittedly another name for Satan the Devil himself;  and that such festivals were, as acknowledged  by Cardinal Newman in his "Essay on the development of Christian Doctrine" were "the very instruments and appendages of demon-worship"  the church had adopted....  When made aware of these things, Jehovah's Witnesses promptly and permanently ceased having any part in  Christmas  celebrations.
      Jehovah's Witnesses do have good times with their family and friends. But, they do not participate in holidays and celebrations that are linked with pagan gods (as is true of such holidays as Easter, New Year's Day,  May Day and Mother's day).  Read, 2.Cor. 6:14-17.  Like the early Christians,  Jehovah's Witnesses do not even celebrate birthdays. They also respectfully refrain from sharing in national holidays, that memorialize political or military events and also refrain from giving worshipful honor to national heroes.
      WHY ?
      BECAUSE  JEHOVAH'S  WITNESSES  ARE  NO  PART  OF  THE  WORLD !
      Reference, Proclaims Book,  pages  198-200....
      ( by  Brother  Roger B. Elder )     Thank  you  Brother  Elder !
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      Transcript - Promoting Love and Respect for Truth.pdf
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    • By Jack Ryan
      Governments who support “religious freedom” over the equal human rights and dignity of others condone, and even endorse discrimination.

      Tim Rymel, M.Ed., Contributor Author | Educator | Dad
      In April, Russia’s Supreme Court labeled Jehovah’s Witnesses an extremist religious group. “It effectively means that holding their beliefs and manifesting them is tantamount to a criminal act in Russia. They risk new levels of persecution by the Russian authorities,” said international legal counsel, Lorcan Price.
      In America, most of us think of Jehovah’s Witnesses as that occasional Saturday nuisance. They interrupt our morning breakfast or afternoon chores to tell us their version of the Christian faith. They cheerfully drag their families along for quiet strolls through the neighborhoods, and pass out Watchtower Magazines for us to throw away later.
      Annoying? Yes. Disruptive? Usually. But extremist? That depends.
      Growing up in the Pentecostal faith, I was taught that Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, and Catholics were not Christians. Anyone who converted to those, or other non-mainstream Christian sects, was deceived by the devil. Though we didn’t use the word “extremist” to define those religions, we certainly saw them as a threat to the true people of God who were susceptible to “false teachings.”
      Religion, to paraphrase Merriam-Webster, is generally a belief in the supernatural with a commitment to keep up the attitudes and practices surrounding that belief. In other words, religion is more than just a belief it is an action. For some, that means attending church on Sundays. For others, it means killing people for believing the wrong things, or believing in the wrong way.
      The BBC noted that Al Qaeda’s purpose is to avenge “wrongs committed by Christians against Muslims.” The organization wants to implement a “single Islamic political leadership,” and drive away non-Muslims from areas it deems belong to the nation of Islam.
      ISIS, on the other hand, is a group of Scriptural fundamentalists who believe all other Muslims are apostates. William McCants, director of the Project on US Relations With the Islamic World at the Brookings Institution, says that ISIS wants “to restore the early Islamic empire called the caliphate and eventually take over the whole world.”
      Most of us can agree that Al Qaeda and ISIS are extremist groups. After all, they plan and implement terrorist attacks. They kill people, sometimes brutally. But is violence the only indicator of religious extremism?
      It could certainly be argued that when a religion becomes violent it becomes extremist. But even Christianity, in it’s many definitions, has a sorted history, which is seldom talked about and often dismissed. From the Spanish inquisition to the convert-or-die tactics used on Native American Indians, Christianity has been used to commit horrific acts of violence throughout the centuries. Judaism, from which Christianity arose, recorded shocking details in the Torah of the slaughter of entire populations, including women, children, and animals.
      Any religion, which purports to, alone, have all truth, and to, alone, have a direct line of communication to God, has a propensity toward extremist ideology. As University of Notre Dame Professor, Gary Gutting, points out:
      Any religion that denies the value and humanity of others is an extremist religion. Whether those actions lead to direct harm, or simply reduce protections through legislation, extremist ideology seeks to create one class that is believed to be more valued than another.
      The grandstanding that fundamentalist Christians have done since marriage equality passed in 2015 has created a growing, and disturbing trend toward extremist Christianity.
      The Oath Keepers, a vigilante Christian group, vowed to protect Kentucky County Clerk, Kim Davis, when she refused issuing a marriage license to a gay couple. They stated the judge in Davis’ case “needs to be put on notice that his behavior is not going to be accepted and we’ll be there to stop it and intercede ourselves if we have to.” And then, in an ironic twist to the story, the infamous Westboro Baptist Church, of “God hates fags” fame, picketed Kim Davis because of her multiple divorces and remarriages.
      Since then, dozens of “religious freedom” bills have been introduced across the country with the sole purpose of reducing or eliminating protections for the LGBT community in housing, employment, benefits, and even where they can go to the bathroom.
      The problem, of course, is that “religious freedom” is based on nothing more than a belief. Governments who support “religious freedom” over the equal human rights and dignity of others condone, and even endorse discrimination. In any such environment religious extremism is the outcome, threatening the very existence of democracy.

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    • By The Librarian
      “What Is Truth?”
      THAT question was cynically posed to Jesus by the Roman Governor Pontius Pilate. He was not interested in an answer, and Jesus did not give him one. Perhaps Pilate viewed truth as too elusive to grasp.
      Pilate indifferently rejected the opportunity to learn such truth. What about you?
      Learn more about Jesus Christ:
       
       
    • By Bible Speaks
      25 "Therefore, now that you have put away deceit, each one of you speak truth with his neighbor, because we are members belonging to one another." (Eph.4:25) NWT
      Don't let your ears witness what your eyes didn't see. Don't let your mouth speak what your heart doesn't  feel.    Live a honest life for Jehovah! 

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    • By Bible Speaks
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. "But we have renounced the shameful, underhanded things, not walking with cunning or adulterating the word of God; but by making the truth manifest, we recommend ourselves to every human conscience in the sight of God."
      (2 Cor. 4:2)

    • By Bible Speaks
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. O Jehovah, who may
             be a guest in your tent?
      Who may reside in your holy mountain?
        Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. The one who is walking faultlessly,
      Practicing what is right
      And speaking the truth in his heart."
                 (Psalm 15:1,2)       Do not let your mouth say       what your heart doesn't feel. 
    • By Bible Speaks
      What Does the Bible Say About Christmas? ???????
      The Bible’s answer
      The Bible does not give the date of Jesus’ birth, nor does it say that we should celebrate his birthday. As McClintock and Strong’s Cyclopedia states: “The observance of Christmas is not of divine appointment, nor is it of NT [New Testament] origin.” Instead, an examination of the history of Christmas exposes its roots in pagan religious rites. The Bible shows that we offend God if we try to worship him in a way that he does not approve of.—Exodus 32:5-7.  History of Christmas customs
      Celebrating Jesus’ birthday: “The early Christians did not celebrate [Jesus’] birth because they considered the celebration of anyone’s birth to be a pagan custom.”—The World Book Encyclopedia.
      •December 25: There is no proof that Jesus was born on that date. Church leaders likely chose this date to coincide with pagan festivals held on or around the winter solstice.
      •Gift-giving, feasting, partying: The Encyclopedia Americana says: “Saturnalia, a Roman feast celebrated in mid-December, provided the model for many of the merry-making customs of Christmas. From this celebration, for example, were derived the elaborate feasting, the giving of gifts, and the burning of candles.” The Encyclopædia Britannica notes that “all work and business were suspended” during Saturnalia.
      •Christmas lights: According to The Encyclopedia of Religion, Europeans decorated their homes “with lights and evergreens of all kinds” to celebrate the winter solstice and to combat evil spirits.
      •Mistletoe, holly: “The Druids ascribed magical properties to the mistletoe in particular. The evergreen holly was worshiped as a promise of the sun’s return.”—The Encyclopedia Americana.
      •Christmas tree: “Tree worship, common among the pagan Europeans, survived after their conversion to Christianity.” One of the ways in which tree worship survived is in the custom of “placing a Yule tree at an entrance or inside the house in the midwinter holidays.”—Encyclopædia Britannica.
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    • By Bible Speaks
      @caribbeangiirll shares with us: “My sister and I are out in service working the territory in Curacao, Netherlands Antilles. It was our first time doing territory work here since both of us were living in Canada and took the truth there. We had so much fun sharing the good news here.”
    • By Bible Speaks
      @almaguers123 from Corpus Christi,Texas, USA shares with us: “Our first part as a family!!! My husband finally made the truth his own and was baptized this year. So happy we almost couldn’t contain ourselves. Thanks to Jehovah’s undeserved kindness we are enjoying many blessings together.” Baptisms Corpus Christi Texas USA
    • By Bible Speaks
      "Ride in the cause of truth and humility."—Ps. 45:4.
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