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9 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:
    • Hello guest!
    , "Therefore a lion from the forest will slay them. A wolf of the deserts will destroy them.  A leopard is watching their cities. Everyone who goes out of them will be torn in pieces, because their transgressions are many, their apostasies are numerous."

 

  • Zephaniah 1:4-6

    "So I will stretch out My hand against Judah And against all the inhabitants of Jerusalem And I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place, And the names of the idolatrous priests along with the priests. "And those who bow down on the housetops to the host of heaven, And those who bow down and swear to the LORD and yet swear by Milcom, And those who have turned back from following the LORD, And those who have not sought the LORD or inquired of Him."

What do you believe is going on with these texts citation? Are you somehow comparing the Watchtower to be praying to the "false" god BAAL? how ensidious that is.

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11 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

What do you believe is going on with these texts citation? Are you somehow comparing the Watchtower to be praying to the "false" god BAAL? how ensidious that is.

Well the Watchtower / GB / JW Org certainly do the equivalent of offering children in the fire to Molech, with their protection of pedophiles in the Org.  

And the GB / Org do put the Elders in place of the Anointed. So yes Billy your Watchtower Society do worship false gods and you worship the Watchtower.  

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This would mean what definition is being used when stating apostasy.

John and others use this definition:

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While I myself use the looser term of apostasy?

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Therefore, it would depend on the terminology one is exercising. But to state you seldom use the word, is an understatement, to say the least. At most, well you know where I’m going with this.

apostasy3 (144 x 202).jpg Unless you are suggesting this is a scam with no meaning behind it. 😀

What would a marvelous citation of scripture be?

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33 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

What do you believe is going on with these texts citation? Are you somehow comparing the Watchtower to be praying to the "false" god BAAL? how ensidious that is.

Smarter than I will find out how to deal with verses and look for interpretation. :))

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22 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Therefore, it would depend on the terminology one is exercising. But to state you seldom use the word, is an understatement, to say the least. At most, well you know where I’m going with this.

Why don't you just say where you are "going with this", Billy?

"Follow the Money"?

Apostates need money, too.jpg

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52 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:
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    , "Therefore a lion from the forest will slay them. A wolf of the deserts will destroy them.  A leopard is watching their cities. Everyone who goes out of them will be torn in pieces, because their transgressions are many, their apostasies are numerous."

 

The whole chapter of Jer 5 is earthshaking.  (Amos 9:9; Mark 13:8; Heb 12:26,27)

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47 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

According to you, all those in a role of leadership are wrong and don’t belong in the composition of the body of Christ. Where in scripture does it state that?

 

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These lists comprise leaders of a church. Therefore, in your view, Jesus somehow has told you personally, all these people are wrong and only you or your kind of Christianity is right.

 

In this instance, and only this issue, who holds more of credibility, here? You or the rest of the world, which seemingly is accepting the word of Christ?

 

Now, are these church leaders wrong on certain things, when it’s obvious their actions speak louder than words when it comes to certain interpretations of scripture, YES! Yes, they are.

 

There lies a difference when attempting to single out something out of the lack of Bible understanding.

 

According to scripture, what is the Body of Christ - who comprise it?

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5 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Good question .... and the answer should use some common sense in addition to being provable.

OTHERWISE, the answer will have no value whatsoever.

..... merely someone's opinion.

I would have thought the simple answer would be, The Anointed. 

But the difficult bit is knowing who the anointed are. 

Which brings me back to 'Ten men clinging to the robe of a Jew'  How are we supposed to know who the spiritual Jew is ? 

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14 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Which brings me back to 'Ten men clinging to the robe of a Jew'  How are we supposed to know who the spiritual Jew is ? 

Why does it matter if we do not know?

For me .... FIRST ... I would have to care.

It's sorta  like the question,  "Why do ghosts have clothes?".

( ... and do they shop at "Ghost-Mart"?)

Things that are REALLY important will MAKE themselves obvious. 

We will not even have to guess.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Tha

Why does it matter if we do not know?

For me .... FIRST ... I would have to care.

It's sorta  like the question,  "Why do ghosts have clothes?".

Because those not of the anointed are supposed to say "We will go with you people because God is with you people" 

It's not that we would serve men, but i do believe that God will give information through men. (Not the GB of JW Org)

I've said many times before that the Bible was not written for those who are not Anointed.  It was written for the Anointed. 

There is a scripture somewhere that says 'they' won't have to be taught, because it will automatically be in their hearts. 

Hence the anointed will teach others. But in my humble opinion, God has not yet made it known who those Anointed are. 

That is one reason I think we are a long way from Judgement Day. God has much work to do yet to make His people known to all the Earth. 

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58 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

 

apostasy3 (144 x 202).jpg Unless you are suggesting this 

It was a printers’ error. I meant it to say “TrueTom vs the Misunderstood Guys”

Having used the A-word a few times prominently, the book mostly discards it in favor of the verses I quoted above,

One place that I do not is an early chapter with the title Who Are the Apostates?

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Why didn’t you explain it to Srecko? I want you to say it since you’re conflicted as to who comprises the body of Christ. You seem to have a different understanding between, faithful servants, anointed, and the royal priesthood.

How do you define these members when they can be included? Therefore, I asked the question first.

Give me a scriptural citation where you think, all who go before God to profess their loyalty and faith by adhering to God by Christ, have no part in the body of Christ.

Don’t evade the question. You are the expert according to yourself, now answer it.

Romans 12:5, 1 Corinthians 12:12–27, Ephesians 3:6 and 5:23, Colossians 1:18 and Colossians 1:24

We agree on one point. Christ is the head. Now are the anointed (Members) not a part? Did the Apostles spring up all of a sudden like the devil's horns?

Of course, I’m referring to their role on earth, before they descend. Why include it in scripture if it isn’t so. Say it Joseph Smith. You seem to have walked in the desert with Christ. When did he make a change in scripture to accommodate your interpretation?

Do you not understand the following scripture 1 Corinthians 12:27?

So, I don’t need you to cite other text. Stick to understanding one text at a time. What is your understanding of 1 Corinthians?

One Body with Many Members

12 For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For kin one Spirit we were all baptized into one body Jews or Greeks, slaves4 or free—and mall were made to drink of one Spirit.

14 For the body does not consist of one member but of many. 15 If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body. 16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would be the sense of hearing? If the whole body were an ear, where would be the sense of smell? 18 But as it is, God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as he chose. 19 If all were a single member, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts,yet one body…

27 Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. 28 And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 31 But earnestly desire the higher gifts.

And I will show you a still more excellent way[1]

 

Once again, where in scripture does it state the anointed can’t be part of the body of Christ, while here on earth by their teaching and administrating God’s laws and commandments?

If you find a text, apply it. Then we would have to understand Romans 12:1-8, living for God.

Gifts of Grace

3 For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned. 4 For as in one body we have many members, 5 and the members do not all have the same function, 5 so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. 6 Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, pin proportion to our faith; 7 if service, in our serving; the one who teaches, in his teaching;


 

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33 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

It was a printers’ error. I meant it to say “TrueTom vs the Misunderstood Guys”

Thank's for the clarification. It goes far when citing credibility. 😀 Welcome to being part of this world. It does seem to be the simpler thing to do. I, however, adhere to God's commands. 😉

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2 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Why didn’t you explain it to Srecko? I want you to say it since you’re conflicted as to who comprises the body of Christ. You seem to have a different understanding between, faithful servants, anointed, and the royal priesthood.

How do you define these members when they can be included? Therefore, I asked the question first.

Give me a scriptural citation where you think, all who go before God to profess their loyalty and faith by adhering to God by Christ, have no part in the body of Christ.

Don’t evade the question. You are the expert according to yourself, now answer it.

Romans 12:5, 1 Corinthians 12:12–27, Ephesians 3:6 and 5:23, Colossians 1:18 and Colossians 1:24

We agree on one point. Christ is the head. Now are the anointed (Members) not a part? Did the Apostles spring up all of a sudden like the devil's horns?

Of course, I’m referring to their role on earth, before they descend. Why include it in scripture if it isn’t so. Say it Joseph Smith. You seem to have walked in the desert with Christ. When did he make a change in scripture to accommodate your interpretation?

Cool your jets a bit.

John 2:19-22 -  Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”

20 They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” 21 But the temple he had spoken of was his body22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.

The Body of Christ = the temple

Matt 16:18 - And I tell you that you are Peter ( for rock), and on this rock ("large rock", "a mass of stones") I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

Church:  ἐκκλησία ekklēsía, ek-klay-see'-ah; from a compound of 

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 and a derivative of 
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; a calling out, i.e. (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):—assembly, church.

Would he build his “church” from those who were not ‘called out’, as the apostles were?  Jesus laid the foundation as the chief cornerstone of the new Temple/Body.  The foundation stones were the apostles and prophets. 

All who were called out are considered “stones”/”rock”. 

Rom 1:1 - Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God—

Rom 1:7 - To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Eph 4:4 - There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling

Rev 17:14 - They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”

This is the “144,000” priests/kings of God. The anointed ones.

1 Pet 2:5,9 - you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. ("I will build my church")

But you are a chosen peoplea royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

The “spiritual house” built of stones is the Temple of God. It is the church/Body.

You, are adding those to the “church” who are not “living stones” of the Body of Christ.

It is clear in scripture that the anointed are this “church” – “spiritual house” – TEMPLE of God.

2 Cor 6:16 - What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.”

Again, the temple is built of “stones”, and the stones are the royal priesthood, which comprise the Body of Christ.

1 Cor 6:19-20 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your bodyand in your spirit, which are God’s.

The royal priesthood is God’s “spiritual house”, His dwelling place. ("I will walk among them")

1 Cor 3:16,17 - Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

Eph 2:19-22 - Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit. ("I will build my church")

The “saints” are built on Christ’s Body, creating a Temple of “living stones”. 

The purpose?  To serve the rest of the children in God’s Kingdom.  So, step back and take a look at what God is building.  He is refining and forming a people for Himself to serve the greater needs of His children to come.  They must prove themselves worthy enough to be be found faithful and able to serve as God's priests; who, in the early temple arrangement, always served and taught the people of Israel.  Mal 2:7  Yes, they will be Christ’s “kings” – righteous kings, who direct and teach God’s children in love, just as their High Priest/King/Head of the Body.  

Romans 12 describes the anointed as individual members of Christ’s Body.    

As does 1 Cor 12:

For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For in fact the body is not one member but many. 1 Cor 12:12,13

What did Jesus say his Body was? 

John 2:21 - But the temple he had spoken of was his body

It is the Temple of “living stones” – the royal priesthood.

“You are My witnesses,” says the Lord,
And My servant whom I have chosen,
That you may know and believe Me,
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
Nor shall there be after Me.  Isa 43:10

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Witness said:

Cool your jets a bit.

Just as I thought. Can't give a rational answer, that you have to resort to more garbage. The day, you what to answer scriptural definitions without resorting to nonsense, I'll be glad to listen.  Meanwhile, you can't make a logical defense for hating the GB as you do. Which by the way is breaking Christ instructions and the new covenant.

Your to lost to understand how far gone you've descended beyond apostasy? Therefore, I will gladly show you your errors without acknowledging you don't comprise anything with Christianity by your actions and scriptural blindness.

As cited earlier " So, I don’t need you to cite other text. Stick to understanding one text at a time. What is your understanding of 1 Corinthians."

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@Witness The scriptures you have quoted convince me even more that the Greek scriptures were written to and for the Anointed only. It is my opinion that only the Anointed can fully understand God's written word. 

As for Billy the child, no hope remains it seems :( 

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Some people will always live in a fantasy construct, made of words. 

When I was a small boy for me it was Superman Comics, and TV show.  I would wear a towel as a cape, fastened with a clothes pin, and look for things to jump off of,

One time I jumped off a back yard furnace oil tank, into a pile of broken cola bottles, barefooted.

My Uncle tightly rolled me up in a blanket to extract the glass from my bloodied, lacerated feet.

I hope that Billy's continuous leaping to agenda driven conclusions will not be as bloodied, or as painful, as my experience.

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3 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

@Witness The scriptures you have quoted convince me even more that the Greek scriptures were written to and for the Anointed only. It is my opinion that only the Anointed can fully understand God's written word. 

As for Billy the child, no hope remains it seems

How does that prevent them from being part of the body? How ignorant do you want to be? The question was not answered but superimposed to include another factor without clarifying the first. Therefore, the spiritual child you reverted back to is yourself. the blindness and ignorance with anything Biblical, you just as, witness have reverted to spiritual nothingness.

Meaning your behavior against the Watchtower and its leaders have no credibility and less defense in your sultry application of scripture. Relearn scripture before thinking of applying it in an intelligent way. Meanwhile, what part of your attitude against the GB makes you a Christian in your distorted mind. Give me a good example from Christ words?

Try not to evade the question like, witness, that is confused on who comprises the body of Christ. Show some kind of intelligence by thinking for yourself and apply a proper text.

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OH Billy  you child, you are so far away from truth that you are not really worth replying to but for the entertainment value lets see.

The Anointed are the body of Christ, but only the Anointed not others. 

As for your "what part of your attitude against the GB makes you a Christian in your distorted mind." 

Um, Jesus' attitude to the Pharisees. And Jesus' attitude to any false teachings. Plus Jesus' attitude to the way the temple was being misused. And Jesus' attitude to how the people were being mistreated by those 'in charge' putting 'heavy loads' on the shoulders of others. 

It does not take much deep thinking Billy, to see how Jesus hated lies, deceit, mistreatment of people, traditions of men, and the pretence of serving God whilst really being dishonest. It's all recorded many times in the Bible, if only you would read it and get to know it. 

And that is exactly how the GB / JW Org / Watchtower are, just like those Pharisees. The GB seem to think it is ok to tell lies as they call it 'spiritual warfare' by misquoting scripture. 

Never mind Billy child, you will learn the truth one day, keep trying. 

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      THAT question was cynically posed to Jesus by the Roman Governor Pontius Pilate. He was not interested in an answer, and Jesus did not give him one. Perhaps Pilate viewed truth as too elusive to grasp.
      Pilate indifferently rejected the opportunity to learn such truth. What about you?
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    • By Bible Speaks
      25 "Therefore, now that you have put away deceit, each one of you speak truth with his neighbor, because we are members belonging to one another." (Eph.4:25) NWT
      Don't let your ears witness what your eyes didn't see. Don't let your mouth speak what your heart doesn't  feel.    Live a honest life for Jehovah! 

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    • By Bible Speaks
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. "But we have renounced the shameful, underhanded things, not walking with cunning or adulterating the word of God; but by making the truth manifest, we recommend ourselves to every human conscience in the sight of God."
      (2 Cor. 4:2)

    • By Bible Speaks
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. O Jehovah, who may
             be a guest in your tent?
      Who may reside in your holy mountain?
        Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. The one who is walking faultlessly,
      Practicing what is right
      And speaking the truth in his heart."
                 (Psalm 15:1,2)       Do not let your mouth say       what your heart doesn't feel. 
    • By Bible Speaks
      What Does the Bible Say About Christmas? ???????
      The Bible’s answer
      The Bible does not give the date of Jesus’ birth, nor does it say that we should celebrate his birthday. As McClintock and Strong’s Cyclopedia states: “The observance of Christmas is not of divine appointment, nor is it of NT [New Testament] origin.” Instead, an examination of the history of Christmas exposes its roots in pagan religious rites. The Bible shows that we offend God if we try to worship him in a way that he does not approve of.—Exodus 32:5-7.  History of Christmas customs
      Celebrating Jesus’ birthday: “The early Christians did not celebrate [Jesus’] birth because they considered the celebration of anyone’s birth to be a pagan custom.”—The World Book Encyclopedia.
      •December 25: There is no proof that Jesus was born on that date. Church leaders likely chose this date to coincide with pagan festivals held on or around the winter solstice.
      •Gift-giving, feasting, partying: The Encyclopedia Americana says: “Saturnalia, a Roman feast celebrated in mid-December, provided the model for many of the merry-making customs of Christmas. From this celebration, for example, were derived the elaborate feasting, the giving of gifts, and the burning of candles.” The Encyclopædia Britannica notes that “all work and business were suspended” during Saturnalia.
      •Christmas lights: According to The Encyclopedia of Religion, Europeans decorated their homes “with lights and evergreens of all kinds” to celebrate the winter solstice and to combat evil spirits.
      •Mistletoe, holly: “The Druids ascribed magical properties to the mistletoe in particular. The evergreen holly was worshiped as a promise of the sun’s return.”—The Encyclopedia Americana.
      •Christmas tree: “Tree worship, common among the pagan Europeans, survived after their conversion to Christianity.” One of the ways in which tree worship survived is in the custom of “placing a Yule tree at an entrance or inside the house in the midwinter holidays.”—Encyclopædia Britannica.
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    • By Bible Speaks
      @caribbeangiirll shares with us: “My sister and I are out in service working the territory in Curacao, Netherlands Antilles. It was our first time doing territory work here since both of us were living in Canada and took the truth there. We had so much fun sharing the good news here.”
    • By Bible Speaks
      @almaguers123 from Corpus Christi,Texas, USA shares with us: “Our first part as a family!!! My husband finally made the truth his own and was baptized this year. So happy we almost couldn’t contain ourselves. Thanks to Jehovah’s undeserved kindness we are enjoying many blessings together.” Baptisms Corpus Christi Texas USA
    • By Bible Speaks
      "Ride in the cause of truth and humility."—Ps. 45:4.
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