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12 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

All Lawyers, who working in all this various entities

I never comment on what the lawyers are up to because it is a tangled mess that they must operate in where justice does not necessarily prevail.

The courts, particularly the civil courts, are not so much a forum to establish truth as they are a forum to establish blame. There is some overlap here, but they are far from the same thing. 

In a real forum for establishing truth, you lay out each and every fact, in no particular order, without regard for whether it makes you look good or not. If you do that in the courtroom modeled on the adversarial system of justice, your adversary sifts through the facts, seizes the one most to his advantage and your detriment, and beats you over the head with it. 

Is it not so? Anybody who has ever watched a lawyer show on television knows it. Lawyers themselves know it. “Anyone who acts as his own lawyer in court has a fool for a client,” they say. Why would they say this were it not common knowledge that there are endless headgames and intrigues played out in the courtroom, and anyone who does not know how to play the game gets his head handed to him on a platter.

In many areas, a significant conflict of interest is enough for a person to be removed from the venue. In the field of lawyers, it is the name of the game.

I would prefer my case heard by a judicial committee any day. No, they are not perfect. It is just that they have a better track record than the alternative.

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Tom uses a lot of words just to say that the JW Lawyers are actually villains used by the GB, to do the dirty work of trying to get rid of Victims of Child Abuse that are now putting in claims,  in the JW Org. 

A bit like the religious leaders of the Jews using the Romans to do their dirty work when 'riding themselves of Jesus Christ'. 

Yes the GB do get some of their ideas from scripture. :) 

 

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True Justice ONLY comes from Jehovah God and Jesus Christ .... all else, without exception, is only PERHAPS an attempt at Justice.

That is why the process is called "Due Process".

You get the process that is due ... HOPEFULLY it will approximate Justice.

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I would prefer my case heard by a judicial committee any day. No, they are not perfect. It is just that they have a better track record than the alternative.

The only reason I did not "upvote" TTH's excellent post was this quoted line .... as my experiences and observations have been quite different.  Congregational trials disallow representation, recordings, witnesses to the proceedings,  or transcripts, and are held in secret, and the results often secret as well.

I would prefer my case (if any) to be heard by a jury of 12 men, good and true, with all the above deficiencies not present, any day, on any subject.

For several thousand years the Jews had a system like that, EVERYTHING open, transparent, and public .... with trials held in the city gates, for all to see, and comment, and KNOW that either Justice had been served or that it had been perverted.

The Nations of the World's model of seeking Justice more closely resembles that ... than OUR system, where everything is done in darkness, behind closed doors, and anonymously.

I was the subject of a Congregational Committee Trial once, and the three judging me REFUSED TO TELL ME THEIR NAMES.

Can you imagine a trial in the USA where you cannot know the names of those judging you?

It is an abomination when the Nations have a better system than we do,  and THEIR Justice System imitates what we know from the Bible worked well for thousands of years .... and OUR Congregational system imitates how it is done by tyrants practicing evil.

... And that's the fact, Jack.

 

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TTH said "I would prefer my case heard by a judicial committee any day. No, they are not perfect. It is just that they have a better track record than the alternative."

JTR Jr said "The only reason I did not "upvote" TTH's excellent post was this quoted line .... as my experiences and observations have been quite different.  Congregational trials disallow representation, recordings, witnesses to the proceedings,  or transcripts, and are held in secret, and the results often secret as well." 

It is the fact that they have been kept secret for so long that has resulted in so many court cases Earthwide now. And if TTH thinks the GB / JW Org / W/t has a much better track record it must be because A. the internal 'court cases' have been kept secret, B. There are far more worldly cases than JW cases. 

I like that JTR Jr uses the expression " than OUR system, where everything is done in darkness, behind closed doors, and anonymously.

Luke 8 v 17. is a good scripture here. 

And I just have to repeat what James wrote here :-

It is an abomination when the Nations have a better system than we do,  and THEIR Justice System imitates what we know from the Bible worked well for thousands of years .... and OUR Congregational system imitates how it is done by tyrants practicing evil.

So James, do you still invite people into your Kingdom Hall ? Do you still go on the ministry ? 

Do you invite innocent people to be taught by tyrants practicing evil. ?

I'm sure you and others are beginning to understand why i left that 'collection of organisations'. 

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1 hour ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

The only reason I did not "upvote" TTH's excellent post was this quoted line 

If I edit it out, can I count on your ‘like’? It is just a little blip tossed in at the end anyhow—hardly the main point.

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6 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

I was the subject of a Congregational Committee Trial

Okay, time’s up. I am not rescinding that part of how judicial committees are superior to the world’s system of justice, even if you give me 100 likes.

I mean, you must really really really give them a run for their money, if you are even the slightest bit there as you are here. Yes, maybe they should exert superhuman effort to discover that beneath your incendiary manner, there lies a loveable fuzz ball. However, I have exerted such effort and even i could not swear that it is the case.

I mean, with me........

”A better adjudicator.you never will find.

If I was a griper

who’d seen it all,

being hailed by opposers

both great and small,

would I start weeping like a cesspool overflowing?

or carry on as if my home were in a tree?

Would I run off at the mouth, not knowing where I’m going?

WELL, WHY CAN’T JTR...

be like ME?”

 

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