WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?

[Srecko Sostar]

@TrueTomHarley

How about lifesaving glass  of water in desert with few drops of dangerous substances in it ? :)) perhaps drops of purple color :))

Or, we can make agreement how nothing is wrong with previous WTJWORG "brighter lights". Because ...

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

In this case it is that “spiritual food” should not change. Why should it not? It represents the light that grows brighter and brighter until full daylight, as in Proverbs 4:18. When you are “keeping on the watch” in light that is not so good, you see a lot of things that turn out to be wrong.

If I understand you enough, here you sad how "previous light was not so good" and as result, your "keeping on the watch" turn out to be wrong because you saw lot of wrong things in poor light.

Well, does this mean how JHVH as Source of that Light, that was not enough Bright (that was not so good) should take a blame for that wrong understanding of His servant?

 And how is possible that WTJWORG "spiritual food" represents "light that grows brighter" ? What is the cause here and what is the result?

Did published "spiritual food" caused "brighter light" for person to see better around him? Or "brighter light" caused publishing good "spiritual food" for person to better understand what is happening around him ? 

But you bring right idea, how poor "previous light" was not Sufficient for  healthy "spiritual food" ... because Source of the Light for such Err, Not Perfect spiritual food was not in God or Jesus, but in Humans.  

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

“Spiritual food” resembles physical food in that it exists to be consumed. It powers you for the moment. It has a shelf life. Who here has items of physical food on the shelf from 50 years ago? It serves its purpose and it is gone.

What purpose? To our conclusion how previous BS and JW generations died in false and err doctrines, hopes and beliefs? To our conclusion how present, current JW members will also die in false and err doctrines and hopes?? :))

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

If General Mills stops selling Wheaties, it is not a conspiracy. It is not a ban on Wheaties. It is simply providing food more relevant to the present age. So it is with spiritual food. If HQ instructed ones to destroy all copies of the Aid book, for example, that would be a ban. But they don’t. They simply let things go out of print that are no longer relevant. 

8 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Destroying bad food in shop store is not a ban. Destroying  published publications as evidence would be a crime. :)) But internet provide possibility to save material for searching and redefinition of WT doctrinal history. 

Of course, current JW members, in general, have no time, no wish to read old publications and put effort to critical thinking on past and present teachings.

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Jehovah’s Witnesses are a cult if and only if the Bible is a cult manual.

But Organized Religion have power to make Bible as cult manual :))))

[TrueTomHarley]

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Well, does this mean how JHVH as Source of that Light, that was not enough Bright (that was not so good) should take a blame for that wrong understanding of His servant?

It is simply not that way.

Everything else is permitted to have a history, and in no case is that history one of straight line problem-to-solution. In every case they include wandering, exploring, waffling, flip-flopping, backing-up, dealing with human foible and imperfection. 

Only in the case of spiritual things do some demand a final perfected product delivered as though by Santa, without history.

And this demand usually stems from but a few common factors. Jesus says “exert yourselves vigorously” and people tire of doing that. Paul says grab hold of the “real life” and people say, “yeah, that means this one.” Jesus says “When the Son of Man returns, will he really find the faith on earth?” and Srecko answers in purple, “Not if I can help it, he won’t.”

There is nothing wrong with the present leadership among Jehovah’s Witnesses. Or rather there is—it is comprised of people. But that has always been the case, and if you complain to God that you will only stick around where there is perfection, He will say, “Well, you are no great shakes yourself. You’ll have to take what is offered. It will do you good to learn to yield, cooperate, and get along with each other.”

If you really think that the “real life” is what 1 Timothy 6 says it is, and that you-know-who is the ruler of this world, like Jesus says he is, then you realize that the two “worlds” being polar opposites in so many ways is going to cause you some present problems in this system of things. If you are inclined to stick with one, you will have problems from the other.

[JOHN BUTLER]

Oh dear poor TTH is so mixed up in his head. In one of his previous comments he  mentions searching (for truth presumedly). 

Quote " But if one gets the sense of verses such as 1 Peter 1:10 about diligent inquiries, careful searches, keep on investigating, or Matthew 24–“let the reader use discernment”—then it is true. If one is doing what Jesus says, “Keep on the watch” in light that is insufficient, then it happens. "

BUT JW's are told not to have their OWN OPINIONS. JW's are told to rely on the GB (who pretend to be the F&DS).  Sharing one's own opinions in a KH can get a person put on the 'watched list' and later lead to a person being D'fed for 'Causing division within the congregation'.   Tom will of course deny this, even though he knows it to be true. 

It is so funny to me that JW's are encouraged to do personal Bible study, yet, not have their own opinion on scripture. 

Quote " Paul says grab hold of the “real life” " . Ah but the GB says only grab hold of the 'life' they offer. 

The Bible tells us to serve God through Christ. The GB tell congregants to serve them, to trust them as they are the (pretend) F&DS. The GB makes a false statement, that God and Jesus trust them.  The Pope could just as easy make that same statement. 

QUOTE TTH "There is nothing wrong with the present leadership among Jehovah’s Witnesses."

If Tom really believes this then HE has a problem. 

[Witness]

20 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Everything else is permitted to have a history, and in no case is that history one of straight line problem-to-solution. In every case they include wandering, exploring, waffling, flip-flopping, backing-up, dealing with human foible and imperfection. 

Only in the case of spiritual things do some demand a final perfected product delivered as though by Santa, without history.

This is to all JWs. 

Wouldn’t God expect a product of real truth from his anointed ones?   IF they remain in Christ, Jesus promised he would send the Helper who would tell them, “all things”, which would be truth.   What sort of “things” has the GB passed on to its followers?  John 14:26  “Beliefs Clarified”. 

“I am the vine; you are the branches. The one who remains in Me and I in him produces much fruit, because you can do nothing without Me.  John 15:5

Which means, without remaining in Christ, they cannot produce lasting fruit or teachings.  Without remaining in Christ, their teachings rot and need replacing.  Matt 7:17-20  This is the spiritual scene in the exalted  “Jehovah’s organization”, where the leaders suppress the knowledge of Christ and heighten the “knowledge” of 8 men.

When the nation of Israel did not follow the straight line God laid out for them, but wandered from, or rebelled against God’s decrees, choosing to exalt their idols over God,  they suffered; and not with just a slap on the hand. God removed His protection and lives were lost.  That was history in the making.

“Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted. ⁷ And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.” ⁸ Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell; ⁹ nor let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents; ¹⁰ nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer. ¹¹ Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come. 1 Cor 10:6-11

20 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

There is nothing wrong with the present leadership among Jehovah’s Witnesses. Or rather there is—it is comprised of people. But that has always been the case, and if you complain to God that you will only stick around where there is perfection, He will say, “Well, you are no great shakes yourself. You’ll have to take what is offered. It will do you good to learn to yield, cooperate, and get along with each other.”

 

Of course, you are somewhat jesting, but it is sad to say such things about the Almighty God, which lessens how important it is for all of us to adhere to His Word in Christ, and not those of men who stumble over their own lips.  Ps chapter 12, ends with, “and what is worthless ("vile", such as rotten fruit) is exalted by the human race”. The organization has the nerve to exalt their blunders - Beliefs Clarified, which is mind boggling.   I believe you are delusional, not alert to the history of God’s people when they fall into sin, or listen to lies.  Discarded teachings are lies, present teachings are lies.  Anymore, there are few of your teachings that are truth.  Rev 16:13,14

The organization’s entire existence is sin against Christ.  It challenges his word and his priesthood, with the words of men and their counterfeit priesthood.   It fulfills prophesy as the “man of lawlessness” that blasphemes God’s sanctuary/temple in the anointed ones.    Rev 13:1,2,10,18  Remember, they are told not to meet or study the Bible together.  They are threatened and restrained from any independent movement to pursue Truth on their own without risking all that encompasses their “life” in the organization. Rev 13:15

Thus says the LORD of hosts, "Do not listen to the words of the prophets who are prophesying to you They are leading you into futility; They speak a vision of their own imagination, Not from the mouth of the LORD.  Jer 23:16

There are so many examples of WT leaders speaking “a vision of their own imagination”, and yet JWs  keep listening to them.  We don’t “take what is offered”, but listen to Christ who said we would know those whom he would send, by their “fruit”, that would last.   Do JWs hear those words from the Bible?   WHO’S WORDS ARE MORE IMPORTANT, THE GB’S?  OR THOSE OF CHRIST?

Satan presented to Eve a “nourishing food” which contradicted the Word of God.  That lie/food brought death to her and Adam, and her seed.  Any teaching that obviously has been proven not to be from God, brings the same death upon those who create it and those who ingest it and call it truth!  Deut 18:19-22 There is nothing  illuminating or life-giving about it, but it holds an artificial light which Satan is fully capable of producing. 2 Cor 11:13-15  Any group of leaders who do this year after year consistently, did not radiate the light of Christ from day one, no matter what they use to convince you of it.  It is all…a delusion prophesied to occur during the last days, that grabs hold of the anointed ones and their companions. The delusion effectively covers over the presence of the “man of lawlessness”, which is the organization, where the unsealed anointed are not safe under the elder “Gentile” Body.  Matt 24:15; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3; 13:1,2,7; 9:1-4 

Your words  “to learn to yield, cooperate, and get along with each other”, obviously originate with WT’s leaders.  Even swine wallowing in the mud can get along with each other.  However, to be Christ-like means to stand up for his pure word, separating ourselves from the historical muck of lies, even if we are persecuted for it.  Isa 52:11; Matt 5:10

 

2 Thess 2:9-12: “This man (man of lawlessness) will come to do the work of Satan with counterfeit power and signs and miracles. ¹⁰ He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to love and accept the truth that would save them. ¹¹ So God will cause them to be greatly deceived, and they will believe these lies. ¹² Then they will be condemned for enjoying evil *rather than believing the truth.”

*This isn't WT's version of truth, but that of Christ's.

Do JWs enjoy being fools?  As the saying goes, 'fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me’.  Sadly, the majority apparently have no shame.

Dead flies make a perfumer’s oil ferment and stink;
so a little folly outweighs wisdom and honor.
² A wise man’s heart goes to the right,
but a fool’s heart to the left.
³ Even when the fool walks along the road, his heart lacks sense,
and he shows everyone he is a fool.
 

⁵ There is an evil I have seen under the sun, an error proceeding from the presence of the ruler:

⁶ The fool is appointed to great heights, (GB)
but the rich remain in lowly positions. (the rest of the anointed under its rule)
⁷ I have seen slaves on horses,
but princes walking on the ground like slaves. (the trampling of God’s temple by a false priesthood who rules over the royal priesthood/Temple of God.  1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 11:1-3  They are the true princes under the Prince/King of Peace,  not the elder body – Isa 9:6; Dan 12:1; Isa 49:24,25; Rev 19:16; 3:21; 5:9,10 )

¹² The words from the mouth of a wise man are gracious,
but the lips of a fool consume him.
¹³ The beginning of the words of his mouth is folly,
but the end of his speaking is evil madness. (example, the evolution of “this generation”)
¹⁴ Yet the fool multiplies words.
No one knows what will happen,
and who can tell anyone what will happen after him?  Eccl chapter10 

The Bible is full of the admonition to seek the wisdom of God.  Why would we settle for the folly of a fool? 

A scoffer seeks wisdom and does not find it, but knowledge is easy to him who understands. Go from the presence of a foolish man, when you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge. The wisdom of the prudent is to understand his way, but the folly of fools is deceit. Fools mock at sin, but among the upright there is favor.   Prov 14:6-9

And yes, Jesus desires us to become, “perfect”, by listening to his wisdom. Matt 5:48 It is only men who continually remind you how imperfect you are, capturing you in a spiritual time capsule, and away from the wisdom of the Christ, that halts one’s growth to maturity in the Truth.  Rev 3:18  These men promise you perfection after Armageddon, when Christ promises it now.  John 6:27  

Of interest, "The Throne of Satan", 4womaninthewilderness   Pearl Doxsey

[Equivocation]

@James Thomas Rook Jr. Te hare saber cuando lo experimente y luego meditare en él

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

El punto central del estudio de la historia, y los paralelismos, es NO experimentar lo que otros han experimentado.

[JW Insider]

16 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

El punto central del estudio de la historia, y los paralelismos, es NO experimentar lo que otros han experimentado.

That's why they say that those who don't study their history, are doomed to repeat it . . . . in the next semester, or maybe even in summer session.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

2 hours ago, JW Insider said:

That's why they say that those who don't study their history, are doomed to repeat it . . . . in the next semester, or maybe even in summer session.

Of course, this can happen as an individual, or as an institution .... and in either case some people and institutions are DETERMINED NOT to learn the lessons from History.

Even though the following cartoon is on the surface about "1975" ... in reality it is about "Overlapping Generations", when viewed through the lens of History.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

..... and that is how the Brothers and Sisters down at the bottom got blamed for "1975".

[TrueTomHarley]

5 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Even though the following cartoon is on the surface about "1975" ... in reality it is about "Overlapping Generations", when viewed through the lens of History.

In most cases, the reason to attack the head is to kill the body.

It is the game that Russia plays. The country has banned, not Jehovah’s Witnesses, but the organization that they use. Everybody knows that the intent is not to kill the “head,” but the “body” that is directed by it.

The policy is so disingenuous that ordinary people, like the cops, legitimately cannot understand the difference. They simply pursue a mission to take out Jehovah’s Witnesses. 

One wonders whether Scott Adams would approve of his work being ripped off to attack a people he probably has no beef with and may even admire. I suspect he would not approve, though he may be too preoccupied to pursue the matter.

He defends Trump, someone who he sees as representing ordinary people, and someone who he thinks is for that reason under continual, often ludicrous attacks, on every conceivable pretext. The attacks, he thinks, come from those who despise the common people, a group of “educated” elite who are “wise in their own eyes” but not in reality, and the ones that these “elites” have managed to indoctrinate.

No, I think he would not approve of people stealing his work to promote their own bizarre agenda. He is not one to go in for manufactured “us against them” scenarios, such as the ones malcontents use against JWs. He sees right through them and is likely to equate them with the non-stop attacks on the president that he thinks is standing up for the common people. That president gives ample evidence of being human. Scott does not attack him on that account. He defends him despite some flaws. If he were ever to devote his attention here, (a big if) I think he would draw parallels that would go the way of Jehovah’s Witnesses, and not their incessant attackers.

This is not to say that JTR is one of those who want to “kill the [Jehovah’s Witness] body.” He is more like the one who saws off the branch on which he sits, confident that only good can come of it.

[Space Merchant]

@TrueTomHarley It was also a political move in part of Russia granted JWs are 100% neutral and do not choose a side, let alone attend events that glorify war in Russia. This may seem to be the case because I remember the 777 crew mentioned a teenager who directed that the girl was somewhat of an enemy because she is neutral, there were other cases to, you really have to dig in all things Russia.

Aside from JWs, Russia does not like anti-Kremlin heroes, which seems to be the cases with several people, as is with some, being accused for some things they did not commit, and Russia takes the extreme on some folks, be it Macbeth, Pokemon, or cracking jokes, if all things is directed to the duma, the Kremlin and or the church, best believe there is going to be guys showing up on your rooftop or sawing off your door.

A whole lot of us knew something was going to go down so we spoke about it late 2015 into 2016, and evidently the pieces were in play for Putin's election and all things connected to it.