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WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?

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2 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Because that is the real world. If you had a good childhood then you probs will not understand, but if you had a very strict JW upbringing then you might. 

I did have a good childhood. My mum was baptised when I was 6. I still remember celebrating our last Christmas and birthday. Since then I didn't miss either of them one bit. I guess I was lucky to have a mum who although very spiritual, was also very balanced, and had her own mind. We never missed one meeting unless sick. We were regular in service. We really lived the "truth" which included having fun. So yes, my childhood was pretty cool. Of course when I hit teenage-hood I balked at some things, and the only thing that worked was not what my mum said, it was not what the elders said, but it was what the Bible said. I could not argue with the Bible. Mum figured it out real quick so as long as she could support anything with scriptures, I was good with it, albeit a bit reluctantly sometimes.

As regards very strict upbringing, I guess you mean where the parents are unreasonable and rule the house in a kind of dictatorship rather than a Christian way. Most of the kids brought up that way are no longer JW's. And in some cases neither are the parents. The funny thing is, they blame the org. but the org. has never endorsed unreasonable parents, on the contrary, all the publications out there, for children and teenagers and parents encourage reasonableness and are full of excellent advice. In fact here is the latest magazine about rearing children. If you find anything wrong with it let me know: https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/awake-no2-2019-jul-aug/

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22 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Oh yes and TTH back on the mentally unwell thing again, calling me 'unhinged'.  

Many things suggest this to me. It may not be so, but one can only go by evidence presented. 

The fact that, on your pet peeve, you have never yielded to the tiniest degree, suggests it. Everyone yields someplace to some degree.

The fact that @JW Insider brings up a circumstance which he makes clear he regards as quite rare, and you immediately characterize it as the norm is another.

Another is that the frequent child sexual abuse that you have chronicled was perpetrated for years by a party that you should consistently vent your wrath upon, yet you vent it upon people who had nothing to do with your trouble.

The fact that you attach a maniacal laughing emoji to comments that are not at all funny, posted by several here, and that in some cases are quite frank and conciliatory, is yet another.

Before you came along, I once observed that @Srecko Sostar had chosen to represent himself on this forum as a moron, regularly appending an inane “hehehe :)))))))” to his comments. He did it so much that @Nana Fofana began imitating his style, and did it better than he. He stopped doing it. He is not a moron and didn’t want to portray himself that way. In hindsight I think some of it was due to language and culture differences, he not realizing how certain signs translated. 

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2 hours ago, Anna said:

but the org. has never endorsed unreasonable parents, on the contrary, all the publications out there, for children and teenagers and parents encourage reasonableness and are full of excellent advice.

  • (Colossians 3:21) 21 YOU fathers, do not be exasperating your children,. . .
  • (Ephesians 6:4) 4 And YOU, fathers, do not be irritating YOUR children, . . .

And when threatened with discipline as a pre-teen, how I loved to respond with: "Father, stop exasperating me!!" It worked especially well at meetings.

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@Anna  Quote "it was not what the elders said, but it was what the Bible said."

Yes love that. But it has never said in the Bible that men have to wear a suit and tie.

Imagine Jesus getting to the sea shore and saying to those fishermen ' Guys I would have let you be my followers but you are not wearing a suit and tie' 

And back with the beards thing too. ' You guys have beards, you cannot follow me and preach'.  :) .

And I'm sure there are a few more such things. I was even told by an old brother, an Elder in fact, that years before paisley ties were forbidden. 

In my last congregation if an Elder 'told me off' for anything, i would say show me three scriptures to back up what you are saying. It came from the idea that the Org use to teach repetition for emphasis... 

Quote,  The funny thing is, they blame the org..   Maybe it's because Elders make the worst parents sometimes. (even involved in CSA) And other Elders will not take notice of a child if said child is the child of an Elder. So the child cannot get help from anyone. 

By the way, I'm glad you had a good childhood. Mine was horrible, with a wicked mother committing adultery and her 'boyfriend' nearly drowning my dad in the family pond. My dad suffered with TB (and had one of his lungs collapsed so my brother tells me). Then the children's home episode.  Dad died aged 49 when i was around 20. So of course my outlook is 'slightly' different to yours. 

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22 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Many things suggest this to me. It may not be so, but one can only go by evidence presented. 

The fact that, on your pet peeve, you have never yielded to the tiniest degree, suggests it. Everyone yields someplace to some degree.

The fact that @JW Insider brings up a circumstance which he makes clear he regards as quite rare, and you immediately characterize it as the norm is another.

Another is that the frequent child sexual abuse that you have chronicled was perpetrated for years by a party that you should consistently vent your wrath upon, yet you vent it upon people who had nothing to do with your trouble.

The fact that you attach a maniacal laughing emoji to comments that are not at all funny, posted by several here, and that in some cases are quite frank and conciliatory, is yet another.

Before you came along, I once observed that @Srecko Sostar had chosen to represent himself on this forum as a moron, regularly appending an inane “hehehe :)))))))” to his comments. He did it so much that @Nana Fofana began imitating his style, and did it better than he. He stopped doing it. He is not a moron and didn’t want to portray himself that way. In hindsight I think some of it was due to language and culture differences, he not realizing how certain signs translated. 

@TrueTomHarley  The only reason you think of me as being unhinged is so that it makes you feel easier about my comments. To use the excuse that you think someone has a mental problem, just because they tell the truth and you don't like it, well that's pretty poor Tom. But if it makes your life easier then ok go for it. 

JW Insider. Now is he still a JW ? I think so. Hence if he brings up a situation he does not want it to look too serious for the JW Org. 'that he regards is quite rare' does not mean it actually is 'quite rare' it just means that is his opinion. PUT NOT YOUR TRUST IN EARTHLING MAN. 

As for the CSA thing. In my opinion it is easier for me to relate to such things that others have suffered as i have suffered similar things.  It's not about me Tom, it's about ALL THOSE THAT HAVE SUFFERED CSA AND OTHER ABUSES IN THE JW ORG.. But as I've said before most people just see it as collateral damage... 

The comments i see as funny are funny to me. The reason most are funny is because they are only a person's opinion, and in most cases are nowhere near true. So you see i have a sense of humour. i don't always moan about comments i laugh at some. 

As for Srecko, i think he does fantastically well with his English as it is not his first language. And maybe he has a similar sense of humour to me. 

I have a comment on my FB page somewhere and it says 

'The first thing you have to know about me is that i am not you'.  Do you get the sense of that comment Tom ?

Stop judging me because i am not you. I do not think like you, act like you or even want to be like you Tom. 

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On 7/21/2019 at 8:14 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

But it has never said in the Bible that men have to wear a suit and tie.

True. Tell me, how do you "gird up your loins?" Job 40:7. Eph.6:14

On 7/20/2019 at 6:02 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

I'm a total individual, with my own thoughts, which seems to frighten TTH and others, as they always pretend I'm part of a group of something or other. 

Enlightening, So, although you sound like a myriad of others, you see yourself as an individual.

You are doing yourself an injustice then in the way you communicate. It might help if every time you use the word "they" in a negative sense, you preface with the words "I think that". Then your rather parochial 50 year span of experience might at least reflect a semblance of the individuality you crave. This in turn might help some to avoid the misjudgement you refer to above.

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4 hours ago, Outta Here said:

True. Tell me, how do you "gird up your loins?" Job 40:7. Eph.6:14

Enlightening, So, although you sound like a myriad of others, you see yourself as an individual.

You are doing yourself an injustice then in the way you communicate. It might help if every time you use the word "they" in a negative sense, you preface with the words "I think that". Then your rather parochial 50 year span of experience might at least reflect a semblance of the individuality you crave. This in turn might help some to avoid the misjudgement you refer to above.

Wow they wore suits and ties back then did they ?  Well I'm in shorts and a T shirt right now as temperature is a tad warm here in Devon England. And if I were to go to a meeting at KH I would wear light coloured trousers and an open neck light coloured shirt. If you think God wants you to truss yourself up like a chicken for the oven, so be it, that's your choice. 

Everyone is an individual if they want to be or if they are allowed to be. In JW Org though people are not allowed to speak their own thoughts so they become as one group, not in serving God, but in serving the GB and its Org. The Elders no longer have thoughts or feelings, they have become robots. They obey the GB masters. 

By the way I was up this morning at 7am, walking the seafront at 8am in shorts and T shirt, great exercise. So yes I'm an individual as i can now choose how I look and what i do and what I say. But if you enjoy being ruled over by MEN so be it, be happy not serving God, just serving your GB masters. 

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