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To get to the meaningful core of what Armageddon is about, which is the battle of truth against lies, we look at Israel’s sins of the past.  Today’s spiritual “Israel” comprised of the anointed ones, is also steeped in sin, resulting from a testing delusion put upon them by Satan; a delusion that is passionately called “the truth”.   Luke 22:31; 2 Thess 2:9-12; Rev 13:1,2,11 

God does expect us to seek Truth.  Ps 25:5; Matt 7:7,8; John 4:23,24; 8:31,32; 14:6 

Yet, today’s “Israel” is feeding on the lies of their leaders/prophets. Matt 7:15; Acts 20:29; Rev 16:13,14  

When reading Ezekiel chapter 13, notice that the term “whitewash” helps reveal what is behind the organization’s ‘new light’ label.  Many translations use the phrase, “untempered mortar”, a few say “loose mud”, or “chalk”; all are descriptive of the organization’s attempt to cover over unstable teachings that do not last.  John 15:16,5 

“untempered mortar” is defined as “whitewash" used to patch a wall, creating the facade of beauty.

As an example:

Matt 23:37 – “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.”

Why were these teachers described by Jesus as whitewashed tombs?

“You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”  John 8:44-47

By choosing to deny Christ’s words of truth which offer eternal life, they remained in spiritual darkness, alienated from God and life.

 “The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.”  John 6:63

“If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.” 1 John 1:6

The battle of truth against lies was evident then, and is now, as it reaches the end point in these last days.  The “two witnesses” (“two “meaning truth – John 8:17) proclaim the revealing message from Christ, while false prophets battle against it, with their lies. Dan 12:9; Rev 1:11; 11:3; 1 John 4:6 

Ezekiel chapter 13:

The word of the Lord came to me: “Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who are now prophesying. Say to those who prophesy out of their own imagination: ‘Hear the word of the Lord!This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Woe to the foolish (“wicked”) prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing

Your prophets, Israel, are like jackals among ruins. (Lam 5:17,18; Ps 44:19)

 You have not gone up to the breaches in the wall to repair it for the people of Israel so that it will stand firm in the battle on the day of the Lord( Ezek 22:30)

Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. Even though the Lord has not sent them, they say, “The Lord declares,” and expect Him to fulfill their words. (Ps 50:21; Isa 57:11) 

Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, “The Lord declares,” though I have not spoken? (Ezek 22:28; Rev 16:13,14) 

“‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: Because of your false words and lying visions, I am against you, declares the Sovereign Lord.My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign Lord.  (Rev 13:8)   

10 “‘Because they lead my people astray, saying, “Peace,” when there is no peace, and because, when a flimsy wall is built, they cover it with whitewash,  (Jer 23:13,17; 1 Thess 5:3) 

11 therefore tell those who cover it with whitewash that it is going to fall. Rain will come in torrents, and I will send hailstones hurtling down, and violent winds will burst forth. 

12 When the wall collapses, will people not ask you, “Where is the whitewash you covered it with?”

13 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: In my wrath I will unleash a violent wind, and in my anger hailstones and torrents of rain will fall with destructive fury. (Ps 18:12,13; Isa 30:30 [Heb 12:1] Ps 147:17,18; Matt 24:30; Rev 11:3,5; Rev 8:7; Matt 7:24,25}  

14 I will tear down the wall you have covered with whitewash and will level it to the ground so that its foundation will be laid bare. (Matt 7:26,27; 1 Cor 3:10,13)  When it falls, you will be destroyed in it; and you will know that I am the Lord.

15 So I will pour out my wrath against the wall and against those who covered it with whitewash. I will say to you, “The wall is gone and so are those who whitewashed it,16 those prophets of Israel who prophesied to Jerusalem and saw visions of peace for her when there was no peace, declares the Sovereign Lord.”’ 

Pearl Doxsey:

I have come to appreciate, that "walls" stand for doctrines/teachings. Just as the city wall protects the city from their enemies, so do doctrines defend against threats to faith, but they also offer boundaries to keep a "flock" in an enclosure. My point, is that Ezekiel "dug" a hole in the wall. (Ezek 12:4-7) We know the meaning of "digging" (Prov 2:2-5; Matt 13:44), and when we combine these symbols (digging, wall) I take it as scrutiny of teachings (1 John 4:1; 1 Thess 5:21) which weakens a wall of false doctrine, just as digging holes in a literal wall would. We are told (according to this symbolism) that the "wall" of apostate Jerusalem will fall (see Ezekiel 13:10,11,12,14,15), no matter how much they "whitewash" their teachings.

I am certain of this connection and meaning of "wall", because the fall of Jericho’s wall is inextricably linked with the "end", and to Revelation (Heb 11:30; Luke 21:20; Josh 6:15,20,8; Rev 8:2,6).
The "wall" of false teachings will "fall", leaving all those within that city defenseless and conquered. The wall they trusted in will fail them.

(From “Wall/Christ’s Side” 4womaninthewilderness)

As a child, I was occasionally assigned to clean the chalk boards after school, using water and a large cloth.  Most children rode the bus home to the far reaches of the farming community I lived in. I was one of the few who walked home from school, which gave me the opportunity to stay longer.  I remember the satisfaction of washing away the day’s writings to reveal a clean board, ready for the new day’s teachings. 

JWs, from the outset, the organization has added layers and layers of decaying interpretations to its doctrines, like smudged chalk accumulating on a dirty chalkboard. This is the reality behind the organization’s new light philosophy.  In its history, it has never returned to the clean pure truth of Christ’s Word. 

To understand why God allows his people to submit to this powerful delusion, please see:

 “Who is to Blame?”

“Spreading Tribulation – Tainted or Tested?”

“Satan’s Fall”

4womaninthewilderness blogspot

 

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@Witness Spiritual Israel consist of all those under Christ (i.e. followers, converts, disciples, Apostles, heirs of the promise as mentioned in Galatians etc.), not solely the chosen ones, and second, how can you speak in this sense when originally you watered down what Christ will soon be doing in the glory of his Father? For, in the past, you negated what Jesus will be doing concerning the wicked persons and those who do not accept and or obey God by means of the good news gospel.

Lastly, that word (κεκονιαμένοις) has 3 meanings concerning the verse:

  • to cover with lime, plaster over, whitewash
  • the Jews were accustomed to whitewash the entrances to their sepulchres, as a warning against defilement by touching them
  • term applied to a hypocrite who conceals his malice under an outward assumption of piety

The contextual meaning of the word used in Matthew 23:27 one of the 3 is used; parallel both to Acts 23:3 and Deuteronomy 27:2; 27:4. Whereas there are only 2 Occurrences of the word in gospel of Matthew and the book of Acts.

That being said, the other person is new, his account is evidently in it's infancy.

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11 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Spiritual Israel consist of all those under Christ (i.e. followers, converts, disciples, Apostles, heirs of the promise as mentioned in Galatians etc.), not solely the chosen ones, and second, how can you speak in this sense when originally you watered down what Christ will soon be doing in the glory of his Father? For, in the past, you negated what Jesus will be doing concerning the wicked persons and those who do not accept and or obey God by means of the good news gospel.

"Spiritual Israel consist of all those under Christ (i.e. followers, converts, disciples, Apostles, heirs of the promise as mentioned in Galatians etc.), not solely the chosen ones,"

From the WT website:  The name God gave to Jacob. It came to refer to all his descendants collectively, at any one time. The descendants of Jacob’s 12 sons were often called the sons of Israel, the house of Israel, the people (men) of Israel, or the Israelites. Israel was also used as the name for the ten-tribe northern kingdom that broke away from the southern kingdom, and later as a term for anointed Christians, “the Israel of God.”

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Are you anointed?  Are all believers in Christ anointed?  Do you believe all are part of the Temple of God that “comes down out of heaven” to bring God’s Spirit and blessings to all the children of God?  Rev 3:21; 2 Tim 2:12; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22

As the New Covenant/promise of life, the Bride, the firstborn of God, brings life to the rest of God’s children when united with her “Husband”. James 1:18; Rev 14:4; 21:2,3,9,10; 22:17 If God calls all His children, “Israel” in the Kingdom, so be it.

“Who is Israel?”  4womaninthewilderness 

 "how can you speak in this sense when originally you watered down what Christ will soon be doing in the glory of his Father? For, in the past, you negated what Jesus will be doing concerning the wicked persons and those who do not accept and or obey God by means of the good news gospel."

John 14:6 - “I am the WAY, the TRUTH, the LIFE.”    Oh, by the way, I am also the DESTROYER, EVEN THOUGH I TOLD YOU…

 “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.[

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God’s Word through Christ carries life.  The rejection of God’s Word carries its own condemnation.  Man is already under the curse of sin and death/destruction. (1 Cor 15:26) Without accepting, believing in Christ, and obeying his Word, we are left to the Destroyer.  We are left to our sins as the result not accepting Christ’s redemption.  John 15:10; 1 John 5:12; Gal 3:22

1 Cor 15:22 - “For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.  

The DESTROYER is Satan and his minions, thieves who “comes only to steal, kill and DESTROY”

Isa 33:1

Jesus Christ, who is the Word of Life,  is not the Destroyer. John 1:1-4

The Spirit is the one who gives life. The flesh doesn’t help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.  John 6:63

 “Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the one to come.”  Matt 12:32

 

11 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

That being said, the other person is new, his account is evidently in it's infancy.

I was giving this person a chance to explain his  feelings.   Why do you bring it up?   Life as a JW is hard enough to make sense of the Word of God.  Tossing your hat into the ring is part of the “confusion” prevalent during the last days.  Rev 17:5 (Isa 28:15)

 

 

 

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@Witness Please focus on the Bible itself, for such does not concern anything but it. Those of Spiritual Israel are those who are the church of the Christ, which includes ALL persons, not solely the chosen ones, I remember explaining the Spiritual House and what the New Covenant conveys and what it means for Christians. It would be understandable if the New Covenant was exactly like the Old Covenant in terms of the status of Natural Israel whereas solely those of Israel are evidently in the tent, but with the New Covenant, this is both Jews and Gentiles, not solely Jews.

Second, what you now mention does not negate watering down Jesus' role in God's Purpose and Will, and what he will do to the wicked and those who are against God when it comes to Yah's glory - which lines up with the last time Jesus' role was brought up.

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3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

@Witness Please focus on the Bible itself, for such does not concern anything but it. Those of Spiritual Israel are those who are the church of the Christ, which includes ALL persons, not solely the chosen ones, I remember explaining the Spiritual House and what the New Covenant conveys and what it means for Christians. It would be understandable if the New Covenant was exactly like the Old Covenant in terms of the status of Natural Israel whereas solely those of Israel are evidently in the tent, but with the New Covenant, this is both Jews and Gentiles, not solely Jews.

Second, what you now mention does not negate watering down Jesus' role in God's Purpose and Will, and what he will do to the wicked and those who are against God when it comes to Yah's glory - which lines up with the last time Jesus' role was brought up.

Dear Sir, I see no scriptures to support your words, yet you are telling me I need to focus on the Bible itself.     What I do notice is if I speak against a WT lie, you tend to support the lie as truth.  You tend to support the GB and the organization.    In this case, the WT tells the truth about who “Israel” is, since they have successfully captivated and surrounded the camp of “saints” with their lies. Col 2:8; Rev 13:1,5-7,10,11; 16:13,14; 20:9 The only way to draw prey, is with a little truth.  Amos 3:5; Rev 8:10-11

It is interesting that in this case of Watchtower teachings, the truth about who spiritual “Israel” is, you are calling a lie.   

 

Jesus’ names and descriptive roles:

The Logos/Word

Michael (“Who Is Like God?”)

Savior

Master

Bread of Life

Faithful and True

Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace…the light of the world.

 

The role/names of Satan:

Deceiver

Father of the Lie

the Destroyer

Murderer

Dragon, Apollyon, Accuser, Leviathan….the ruler of darkness.  

I have not watered down Jesus’ role whatsoever. But, to say Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace, is the Destroyer, is blasphemy. 

Again, you show no scriptures to prove otherwise, while I already have. You appear not to see the distinction between light and darkness, evil and good, life and death.   The two do not mix.

Don’t become partners with those who do not believe. For what partnership is there between righteousness and lawlessness? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness? 15 What agreement does Christ have with Belial? 2 Cor 6:14,15a

 

 

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21 hours ago, Witness said:

Dear Sir, I see no scriptures to support your words, yet you are telling me I need to focus on the Bible itself. 

And yet there was a discussion regarding the spiritual house and those who are in said house.

On the contrary, there is Scriptural support.

In the Old Testament, God had foretold that the Old Covenant, otherwise as the Sinaic Law covenant would be replaced with another, the New Covenant. The New Covenant is a biblical interpretation originally derived from a phrase in the Book of Jeremiah. iI refers to It is often thought of as an eschatological age, otherwise known as the Messianic Age or The World to Come by some, in addition, it is related to what we already know about God's Kingdom.

Jeremiah 31:31-34, which reads:

The New Covenant

[31] “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, [32] not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. [33] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34] And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

The Old Covenant's (Sym. Haggar; bounded woman) mediator between God and Natural Israel is the Son of Amram, Moses. In this Covenant, the people that represent the other party are the Isrealites. And around this time people were validated by animal sacrifices and what was to be followed was written on stone tablets.

The New Covenant's (Sym. Sarah; free woman) mediator between God and Spiritual Israel is the only begotten son of the true God, child to Mary and Joseph, Jesus (Imanuel). In this Covenant, the people that represent the other party are the both Jews and Gentiles. And around this time people were validated by Jesus giving his life for mankind (Jesus' Sacrifice) and what was to be followed was written within our hearts.

The difference is that in the New Covenant we are to follow and adhere the Foremost Commandment and all that hangs from it, as what Jesus said to those who asked him, such was held to a high importance to him, hence what I always reference, Shema Yisrael.

We also know that Jesus spoke with his disciples regarding the New Covenant.

As we see below:

Luke 22:20 - And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood

(ref. Matthew 26:26-28; Mark 14:22-24)

For an honest Christian and Bible reader would point out that even the Christ himself has stated as is mentioned above, that he [Jesus] plainly said the New Covenant involved His blood being shed (Jesus referred to a New Covenant, which is an allusion to Jeremiah 31:31 as seen above).

The New Covenant immediately came into effect after Jesus' death and just days later we see what has taken place at Pentecost, read Acts 2, as is what can be read in Galatians and or Romans, etc, for the New Covenant allowed not just Jews, but Gentiles to be in the church of the Christ, and all of them, who uphold the teachings and believe and worship in God and accept the word of the prophet he sent, of whom he made Christ, Jesus, all these people are in union with the Christ, man or woman, rich or poor, etc and to this day, the New Covenant is in effect, hence why there is a huge importance in the good news gospel and the Messianic Age of which must be professed - for I believe you claimed to be of the chosen ones, why is it you say there is no support when the Bible speaks the truth itself? Again, be focused on the Bible.

For True Christians who are in union with the Christ uphold and know that and believe that Jesus is the mediator of the New Covenant, and that the Blood of Christ shed at his crucifixion is the required blood of the covenant. The New Covenant is an agreement between God and Jesus Christ, and within this agreement, it includes all who are united with Jesus Christ, or as the Bible says, all those who are in [union with] Christ.

The Covenant that is by means of Jesus' blood is mentioned time and time again, there is no reason to brush off what Spiritual Israel entails, for all of Spiritual Israel are of the Spiritual House, not solely the chosen ones.

  • 1 Corinthians 11:25 - In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
  • 2 Corinthians 3:1 - Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some do, letters of recommendation to you, or from you?
  • 2 Corinthians 3:6 - who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
  • Hebrews 8:8 - For he finds fault with them when he says: “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
  • Hebrews 8:13 - In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
  • Hebrews 9:15 - Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
  • Hebrews 12:24 - and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

That being said, you mentioned Galatians before, do you not consider your brothers and sisters in Christ as the heirs who are also of the house, all in union with the Christ despite not being of the chosen ones, the firstfruits?

Do not ignore those in union with the Christ.... The very reasons I questioned you earlier in my comment on this thread.

21 hours ago, Witness said:

What I do notice is if I speak against a WT lie, you tend to support the lie as truth. 

Originally you were talking about the WT, you only brought them up after the fact when you spoke in confusion of those in union with the Christ as is Jesus' kingship whereas you had watered down his role in the past.

That being said, I only speak in regards to falsehood and conspiracies, of which you tend to pose.

21 hours ago, Witness said:

In this case, the WT tells the truth about who “Israel” is, since they have successfully captivated and surrounded the camp of “saints” with their lies.

Before you mentioned the WT, you left out the fact of the heirs who are also of Spiritual Israel, for even in the past you mentioned, as well as misused, what is said in Galatians 3, therefore, one can coin and or question what you convey, and it can be said to focus on what the Bible says if you completely missed what the New Covenant concerning Christians convey.

21 hours ago, Witness said:

Col 2:8; Rev 13:1,5-7,10,11; 16:13,14; 20:9 The only way to draw prey, is with a little truth.

But you shed little truth yourself, you attempt to draw prey, but instead you found a lion of God from amongst the bushes and brushes. Now, for you to say:

21 hours ago, Witness said:

I see no scriptures to support your words, yet you are telling me I need to focus on the Bible itself.

Only shows readers of how misguided you are concerning what was mentioned, only afterwards instead of speaking in regards to what was asked, you brought up the WT. I will tell you again - focus on the Bible itself, for not once until now you speak without the mentioned of the WT, and yet when something is address, you use the WT as some sort of shield and or cover, and your attempt, for your appeal to motive is not as effective, and never was.

21 hours ago, Witness said:

It is interesting that in this case of Watchtower teachings, the truth about who spiritual “Israel” is, you are calling a lie.   

If I believed Spiritual Israel to be a lie, my heavy spoken words concerning the New Covenant would been nothing, but as I told you before, I uphold the New Covenant and you at times shown a distaste in such.

Everyone knows what Spiritual Israel is and who they are in union with, let alone the house of which they all dwell, yet you do not recognize all of Spiritual Israel, you only pointed out that the chosen ones were only of this fold in regards to your comment, hence why I made the response and the only thing you can bring up is the WT.... For it seems, you have no ground to stand on unless JWs pick you up by your feet.

21 hours ago, Witness said:

I have not watered down Jesus’ role whatsoever.

Please, do not kid yourself:

 

21 hours ago, Witness said:

But, to say Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace, is the Destroyer, is blasphemy.

Jesus is both survivor and King, he is the one who will put an end to the wickedness, he will come with a sword to end all badness and bring forth peace in the name of his God and Father, Yahweh. Jesus will also be the one to battle with Satan and his demons as he has done so in heaven and he will be the one to close them away, and eventually, after his Kingship, Satan and his demons will be destroy, by means of destruction that is everlasting - ceasing to exist, and the last enemy that will be dealt with is death itself.

All is explained in our last discussion, so before you take a shot, make sure there is no evidence to claim concerning such:

And Jesus further explained here, same thread:

The irony of it all, in that discussion you ignore ALL references, which further shows who is not too focused on the Bible.

That being said, if I last recall, what is even worse is you pointed out that God had sent Satan to the Egyptians, for you equated Satan to the Destroyer in that verse (not to mention how you twisted the Strong's in that discussion):

On 10/27/2018 at 10:40 AM, Witness said:

Whatever damage is done to humans who are judged by Christ as not worthy of the Kingdom, is at the hand of the Destroyer, Satan. God removes His protection, and Satan steps in. Exod 12:23

And I told you why this is, you ignored it by jumping to JWs again.

The verse in question says the following:

  • Exodus 12:13 - The blood shall be a sign for you, on the houses where you are. And when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and no plague will befall you to destroy you, when I strike the land of Egypt.

Pretty sure this isn't Satan talking and or taking that action.... And it seems somebody is not paying attention to the Old Testament's book of Exodus (Torah). Then again your past comments alluded to God giving Satan the satisfaction of doing actions of this extreme concerning Israel.

So please, show some honesty...

21 hours ago, Witness said:

Again, you show no scriptures to prove otherwise, while I already have.

I did. I only posed question because you did not speak of the heirs who are of Spiritual Israels, for those of Spiritual Israel were not only the chosen ones, but rather, those in union with the Christ as well. You even stated this, alongside with me when we spoke of the Spiritual House in our earliest discussion, and even that time, you actually attempted to use the Bible more than running to the WT.

21 hours ago, Witness said:

Don’t become partners with those who do not believe. For what partnership is there between righteousness and lawlessness? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness? 15 What agreement does Christ have with Belial? 2 Cor 6:14,15a

And yet you are good with God's Order being changed, accept lies and later claim you know nothing and choose to know nothing while tooting the same horn again and again, moreover, the fact that you willfully ignore those in union with the Christ when they too are of the New Covenant, last I checked, chosen ones, were aware of who is of Spiritual Israel, their brothers and sisters who follow the Christ and worship his God, yet you do not recognize these persons, yet attempt to quote what Paul had said in the past. That, Witness, is being hypocritical.

So I ask again, why water down what the Christ will come to do and why ignore those who are of Spiritual Israel? And stated before, focus on the Bible this time and solely the Bible, for you did so originally and then spouted more WT silliness.

In addition, it puts what you said about the Living Stones to question now.

That being said, regarding the titles and such you linked with Jesus and with Satan, how about next time, learn to that some titles ans phrases are linked with others as well, reasons why the Strong's are clear in this notion to which as seen in the linked thread you showed confusion. But by means of your logic, The Assyrians must have had dealing with God's adversary rather than God concerning King Hezekiah.



 

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@Jeff Danby Welcome to the area once called Controversial Posts whereas discussion can be made and you can be a challenger and or challenged. Originally, this area, before it was a club consist of ALL topics and over time a JW only clubhouse.

That being said, do not expect to get an answer from someone who claims to be of the chosen ones, yet as we can see here, ignores the heirs who are with the Christ also.

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1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

@Jeff Danby Welcome to the area once called Controversial Posts whereas discussion can be made and you can be a challenger and or challenged. Originally, this area, before it was a club consist of ALL topics and over time a JW only clubhouse.

That being said, do not expect to get an answer from someone who claims to be of the chosen ones, yet as we can see here, ignores the heirs who are with the Christ also.

If @Jeff Danby is a JW, you have thoroughly confused him, since he believes that “Israel” is comprised of the anointed ones, as do I.    That may soon change with shocking “new light” when “Jehovah’s spiritual temple”/organization/idol becomes known as “Israel”.  Will you be ready for baptism then?

 

 

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

he verse in question says the following:

  • Exodus 12:13 - The blood shall be a sign for you, on the houses where you are. And when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and no plague will befall you to destroy you, when I strike the land of Egypt.

Pretty sure this isn't Satan talking and or taking that action.... And it seems somebody is not paying attention to the Old Testament's book of Exodus (Torah).

Exod 12:23 - "When the Lord passes through to strike Egypt and sees the blood on the lintel and the two doorposts, he will pass over the door and not let the destroyer enter your houses to strike you."

Heb 11:28 -  "By faith he instituted the Passover and the sprinkling of the blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn might not touch the Israelites."

Isa 14:12 - "Shining morning star, how you have fallen from the heavens! You destroyer of nations, you have been cut down to the ground."

Isa 33:1 - "Woe, you destroyer never destroyed, you traitor never betrayed! When you have finished destroying, you will be destroyed. When you have finished betraying, they will betray you."

God, and Christ are our judge, not our executioner.  

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37 minutes ago, Witness said:

If @Jeff Danby is a JW, you have thoroughly confused him, since he believes that “Israel” is comprised of the anointed ones, as do I.    That may soon change with shocking “new light” when “Jehovah’s spiritual temple”/organization/idol becomes known as “Israel”.  Will you be ready for baptism then?

We do not know if he is a JW or not, granted this is a forums whereas now the only access here is by means of a club, and majority of folks on this platform was here, granted the history of this forum.

I haven't confused him, I merely speak of what the Bible talks about concerning God's people, those of Spiritual Israel who are in union with the Christ - nothing more.

How do you know what he believes if he had said nothing more but 3 words?

That being said, you continue to interject because originally, what he had said to you was concerning the Bible, not JWs or the WT, you are only adding the JW/WT because you've been called out to question regarding Spiritual Israel.

39 minutes ago, Witness said:

Exod 12:23 - "When the Lord passes through to strike Egypt and sees the blood on the lintel and the two doorposts, he will pass over the door and not let the destroyer enter your houses to strike you."

Heb 11:28 -  "By faith he instituted the Passover and the sprinkling of the blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn might not touch the Israelites."

Isa 14:12 - "Shining morning star, how you have fallen from the heavens! You destroyer of nations, you have been cut down to the ground."

Isa 33:1 - "Woe, you destroyer never destroyed, you traitor never betrayed! When you have finished destroying, you will be destroyed. When you have finished betraying, they will betray you."

This has already been addressed in the last discussion, the same one linked and you had been refuted, especially when you spoke of God sending Satan to the Egyptians, you are only repeating your folly, Witness. 

 

  • That being said, you made the mistake that stating the Bible, and or there is no Scriptural Support for the New Covenant concerning Spiritual Israel. How does your claim add up when there is Scriptural Evidence concerning such?
  • Second, you speak of Spiritual Israel, and yet you ignore the heirs. Why only mention the chosen ones, but not God's people also, in which the Kingdom of God is for them also? What is the reason to single them out and ignore that they are of the same Spiritual House? Remember, yous aid it before, that Christians are in union with the Christ...
  • Lastly, you claim you never watered down Jesus' Kingship, and yet there are comments from you, even you posting a picture when you questioned Judith. Did you purposely forget what God's original purpose and will concerning mankind was all about, and how his only begotten son fairs into the mix?

I suggest you focus on the Bible in regards to these 3 points, granted that was originally posted to you in addition to the first.

As an additional question, because I asked you this before (and you avoided purposely) and since you want to be bold by quoting Exodus...

Who was the Destroyer found in verses 13 and 23 of Exodus 12 according to you?

The one thing I do not like other than slander is someone who wants to defile what is true of what is written in the Bible itself. And among other things, someone who twists what the New Covenant conveys, for they ignore the fact of whose blood has been shed to enable it for mankind because of Adam's sin.

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12 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

As an additional question, because I asked you this before (and you avoided purposely) and since you want to be bold by quoting Exodus...

Who was the Destroyer found in verses 13 and 23 of Exodus 12 according to you?

You must be kidding.  

On 7/18/2019 at 8:13 PM, Witness said:

The role/names of Satan:

Deceiver

Father of the Lie

the Destroyer

Murderer

Dragon, Apollyon, Accuser, Leviathan….the ruler of darkness.  

 

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@Witness Don't think he is [ever] kidding. He is asking you a question from the links he posted that was addressed to you. That was your quote that can be read.

Also Jeff I think he is one of Jehovah's Witnesses, check his profile.

But anyways, we do know about Spiritual Israel and how Spiritual Israel is God's people.

    Hello guest!

    Hello guest!

The anointed and the crowd are all in Jesus Christ and apply the good news and teach it. United in faith, all of us praise, sing and worship Jehovah God. 

 

Also that one verse you posted. The destroyer that was sent to deal with Assyrian Soliders was an Angel of Jehovah otherwise known as an Angel of Death by some even in some translations if I am not mistaken. The title of Destroyer applies to others not just Satan only and it doesn't make sense for the Devil to protect the Israelites or protect King Hezekiah.

So that is where the confusion is and probably that is why you are being questioned about it.

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It seems how @Space Merchant and @Equivocation  find common religious language on this and other topics. I wonder does this belong to "interfaith dialogue" because two members of different, even opposite religions support each other in doctrinal matters. :)) As i know JW Church forbidden to his members any kind of Ecumenism :)) 

   

Equivocation (also known as: doublespeak)

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7 hours ago, Witness said:

You must be kidding.  

On 7/18/2019 at 11:13 PM, Witness said:

Clearly, I do not kid.

So I suggest you answer the question, which I will quote again.

19 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Who was the Destroyer found in verses 13 and 23 of Exodus 12 according to you?

The others can be addressed based on you not recognizing the heirs:

19 hours ago, Space Merchant said:
  • That being said, you made the mistake that stating the Bible, and or there is no Scriptural Support for the New Covenant concerning Spiritual Israel. How does your claim add up when there is Scriptural Evidence concerning such?
  • Second, you speak of Spiritual Israel, and yet you ignore the heirs. Why only mention the chosen ones, but not God's people also, in which the Kingdom of God is for them also? What is the reason to single them out and ignore that they are of the same Spiritual House? Remember, yous aid it before, that Christians are in union with the Christ...
  • Lastly, you claim you never watered down Jesus' Kingship, and yet there are comments from you, even you posting a picture when you questioned Judith. Did you purposely forget what God's original purpose and will concerning mankind was all about, and how his only begotten son fairs into the mix?

 

Also in the link regarding the discussion about who the Destroyer is, you contradict regarding what is addressed here.

What you do not get is there are people, lost ones out there who want to learn about who God is, questions like this they themselves will ask as they make progress to accepting the teachings of the Lord. As I told you in the past, you do not take up the commission with importance if you speak in this way, forever misguided who claims to be of the chosen ones, but ignore his brother and sister who are the stones of the house itself, let alone, you do not recognize them, but know this - Jesus recognizes them, as is Jesus' Father, Yahweh, and those in union with his Son.

That being said, address the questions.

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5 hours ago, Equivocation said:

@Space Merchant Also Spiritual Jerusalem. The one that accepts the Christ :).

Nice nod to the book of Jeremiah also.

Yes that is true. Spiritual Jerusalem does not reject the Christ. Although Witness is as blind and misguided as ever so evident, Witness was aware of these despite confusing Earthly and Spiritual in the past, and did not make the correction even later on.

The New Covenant is of HIGH importance, we should not belittle ourselves to the level of stupidity and or ignorance of what it entails, something the MSC does not understand, the interfaith among them twist what it means and tarnish what the Covenant even is.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

It seems how @Space Merchant and @Equivocation  find common religious language on this and other topics. I wonder does this belong to "interfaith dialogue" because two members of different, even opposite religions support each other in doctrinal matters. :)) As i know JW Church forbidden to his members any kind of Ecumenism :)) 

 

Equivocation (also known as: doublespeak)

Copying and pasting I see; you had already been dealt with. Take your anger, your loss and your depravity, elsewhere, ignorant one. For are also unaware that the Bible supports Spiritual Israel.

That being said, you are of no concern in this thread, for I am only concern with you in our debate, so I suggest you take it there because should you begin with Spiritual Israel, you will be burned and rinsed with Scripture verily easily.

 

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On 7/20/2019 at 10:32 AM, Equivocation said:

The anointed and the crowd are all in Jesus Christ and apply the good news and teach it. United in faith, all of us praise, sing and worship Jehovah God. 

 

So, you are telling me that you do know spiritual "Israel" applies only to the anointed ones, according to the first link provided.  (SM does not believe this)  These include, the "great crowd" also, the anointed remnant to come out of the great tribulation, serving God "day and night" before His Temple. (Only priests are able to serve God in his Temple), Matt 24:24,25,21,22; Jer 23:3; Mar 13:26,27; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)  Rev 7:15,17; 1 Cor 3:16,17 They, along with the rest of the sealed “144,000” are the firstfruits of the children of God, and as the Bride united with her husband,  will bring life to the rest of the Father's children in the Kingdom – they, who obey Christ's teachings and all who are written in the book of life.   James 1:18; Rev 14:4; 21:2,3; 22:17

On 7/20/2019 at 10:32 AM, Equivocation said:

Also that one verse you posted. The destroyer that was sent to deal with Assyrian Soliders was an Angel of Jehovah otherwise known as an Angel of Death by some even in some translations if I am not mistaken. The title of Destroyer applies to others not just Satan only and it doesn't make sense for the Devil to protect the Israelites or protect King Hezekiah.

So that is where the confusion is and probably that is why you are being questioned about it.

It sounds like you may be wondering if Jesus or one of God’s faithful angels was the Angel of Death that killed the Assyrian Soldiers in 2 Kings 19:35

Angel of Death: (Wikipedia)

The angel (

    Hello guest!
) is referred to under various terms, including Mashḥit, meaning "destroyer" (pron. mash-heet(h) or -kheet(h)) (Mashchit(h), מַשְׁחִית and Ha-Mashchit(h)/Ha-Mashḥit, הַמַשְׁחִית), "destroying angel" (מַלְאָך הַמַשְׁחִית, malak ha-mashḥit or in the plural מַשְׁחִיתִים, mashchitim/mashchithim/mashḥitim—"spoilers, ravagers"), 
    Hello guest!
, (מְמִיתִים, 
    Hello guest!
—"executioners", "slayers") is found in Job 33:22 and in 
    Hello guest!
 16:14 in the plural, "Messengers of death".

In Greek, angel means “messenger”.  Would Jesus be a messenger of death, or a messenger of life?  John 14:6; John 10:10

1 John 1:5 - This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.

Death is darkness.   Light is life. Luke 1:79 It’s very simple.  There is a boundary between both that cannot be crossed.  2 Cor 6:14

Who has complete control over what Satan is allowed to do? Who can protect us from the “evil one”. Luke 11:4   Also, who was allowed to bring “fire” down on Job?  Job 1:12, 2:6  Comparing your concern over Satan “protecting the Israelites”,  how do you feel about God allowing Satan to test Job, a righteous man who suffered so greatly?  Satan doesn’t look at it as protecting the Israelites, but only as bringing about the destruction of a human being. He is darkness and DEATH.  1 Pet 5:8,9

God allowed Satan to test faithful Job’s loyalty, within limits. Satan’s accusations against him were found false.  Job remained loyal to God.  Satan has asked that each anointed one be tested – sifted “as wheat”; again, challenging their faithfulness.  Luke 22:31  Many do not pass the test.  Matt 25:1,6-10

 His actions are controlled by God as we see with Job, which means He would allow the Destroyer to step in and cause the death of the Assyrian soldiers.  (Rev 20:1-3)

Remember though, God said,  "Woe, you destroyer never destroyed, you traitor never betrayed! When you have finished destroying, you will be destroyed. When you have finished betraying, they will betray you."  Isa 33:1

The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.  1 Cor 15:26

If Christ was the Angel of Death, would he also destroy death? If he is that angel, does he posses both darkness and light?

John 1:4 - In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

SM looks at Armageddon literally, as do your leaders who portray Jesus as swooping down on a white horse bearing a literal sword, as the Destroyer.   Look up “sword” and see that it is symbolic.  Heb 4:12; Eph 6:17; Rev 1:16; 2:16  “Fire” also is symbolic as meaning God’s Word.   Jer 23:29 

In 1 Cor 10:1-13, was Jesus the destroyer that Paul is speaking about? 

SM is saying that Jesus Christ is Apollyon in Revelation 9:11

In Hebrew “Abaddon” means “destroyer”.

Job 28:22 -  Abaddon and Death say, "We have heard news of it with our ears."

Job 31:12 - For it is a fire that consumes down to Abaddon; it would destroy my entire harvest.

Job 26:6 – “Sheol is naked before God, and Abaddon has no covering.”

Prov 15:5 – “Sheol and Abaddon lie open before the LORD -- how much more, human hearts.”

Prov 27:20 – “Sheol and Abaddon are never satisfied, and people's eyes are never satisfied”

Can Jesus be compared to Sheol? 

“Apollyon” in Greek means, “destroyer”

 1 Cor 10:10  - Nor should we complain as some of them did, and were killed by the destroyer.

Heb 11:28 -  By faith he instituted the Passover and the sprinkling of the blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn might not touch the Israelites.

Rev 9:11 – “They had as their king the angel of the abyss; his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek he has the name Apollyon.”

This is speaking about the locust-scorpion army which cause harm to the anointed ones who are yet to be sealed.  Rev 9:4 (Rev 7:4) Do you believe Jesus would harm his own people?  Abaddon and Apollyon refer to Satan, and only Satan. 

One more thought. God told David that the temple David longed to build would not be built by him, but by his son.  Why? 

1 Chron 28:3 - But God said to me, 'You are not to build a house for my Name, because you are a warrior and have shed blood.'

David assumed God meant Solomon would build his house, but we know God had other plans regarding His begotten Son, Jesus Christ, who would build His house/Temple.   1 Chron 17:10-14; John 2:19; Eph 2:20-22; Acts 7:47,48

Would God change His mind and allow His Son to shed blood as your leaders and SM believe he would?  He brings us life as our Savior; not death, not as one who destroys life. 

“You are not to build a house for my Name, because you are a warrior and have shed blood”. 

Jesus is the Head of the “house of God”/Temple.  The anointed “living stones” of the Temple of God are its bodily members.  Eph 4:11,12; 2:20-22

If they overcome Satan’s end time deceit…

Rev 3:12 - He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.

This is the fulfilled New Covenant as the Bride, “coming down from heaven” Rev 21:1-4 

During the time of the end God “sends” a delusion upon His people, which means He allows Satan to again “sift as wheat” the anointed remnant during this time period.  Luke 22:31  The delusion is described by Daniel as the fourth beast, (Dan 7:7) and it is the two Beasts in Revelation chapter 13.  They are of Satan’s making, and as the Father of the Lie, these two beasts promulgate their lies which stumble and capture the anointed ones.    2 Thess 2:1-4,9-12; Col 2:8; Rev 13:7,10 

Armageddon is fought in the “valley of decision”, the heart, not on a physical plane where literal blood is shed by Christ, as the Destroyer.  It is the battle of truth against lies.  Joel 3:14  What Satan accomplishes before death is destroyed, remains to be seen. 

 

 

 

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@Witness I do believe this. I think he believes this to because you can see this in his quote, in fact a lot of Christian's know what the New Covenant even is, not just us Jehovah's Witnesses alone.

He said Spiritual Israel is all those in union with Jesus. This is including the anointed and the other sheep of the fold.

How don't see how he doesn't believe it if he says exactly what it is about God's people. 

On 7/19/2019 at 8:27 PM, Space Merchant said:

New Covenant's (Sym. Sarah; free woman) mediator between God and Spiritual Israel is the only begotten son of the true God, child to Mary and Joseph, Jesus (Imanuel). In this Covenant, the people that represent the other party are the both Jews and Gentiles. And around this time people were validated by Jesus giving his life for mankind (Jesus' Sacrifice) and what was to be followed was written within our hearts

He even quoted Jeremiah too.

It is kind of useless to bring up the whole abaddon bit because of that thread he linked. I read the whole thing and the quoted sources that lines up with his argument against you.

Also, I don't understand how you think that Jehovah God's own angel is a pawn of Satan especially when you have verses about the Assyrian army.

And he does have a point. Exodus 12 isn't Satan at all, but rather an angel of Jehovah, this is even brought up at Hebrew 11.

28 By faith he observed the Passover and the splashing of the blood, so that the destroyer might not harm their firstborn.

 

The Destroyer here is an angel of Jehovah. That wasn't Satan at all. And why would Satan essentially be helping Jehovah?

 

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On 7/20/2019 at 6:48 PM, Space Merchant said:

Yes that is true. Spiritual Jerusalem does not reject the Christ. Although Witness is as blind and misguided as ever so evident, Witness was aware of these despite confusing Earthly and Spiritual in the past, and did not make the correction even later on.

The New Covenant is of HIGH importance, we should not belittle ourselves to the level of stupidity and or ignorance of what it entails, something the MSC does not understand, the interfaith among them twist what it means and tarnish what the Covenant even is.

Copying and pasting I see; you had already been dealt with. Take your anger, your loss and your depravity, elsewhere, ignorant one. For are also unaware that the Bible supports Spiritual Israel.

That being said, you are of no concern in this thread, for I am only concern with you in our debate, so I suggest you take it there because should you begin with Spiritual Israel, you will be burned and rinsed with Scripture verily easily.

 

Exactly. God's people consists of both the anointed and the sheep. All of them are worshippers of Jehovah and all of them are in union with Jesus, in a sense, a oneness in teaching and faith.

That is exactly what Spiritual Israel is all about essentially. So I dunno why Witness thinks that Spiritual Israel is only the anointed class, which doesn't make any sort of sense because of all that we read that took place after Jesus' death.

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      Or are you undertake to favor the kingdom.?
      We do things urgently, we try to be quick! (Story running on facebook between of various witnesses of Jehovah accounts)
        I want to point out that the aforementioned text is the translation of the translation of a translation and then of specific phrases may have been distorted sense. Apart from that, however, the general sense of the discourse is clear. Assuming that they are not the ravings of some overzealous brother (which still brings out what they believe, more or less openly, many Jehovah's Witnesses), the meaning is as follows. The prophecies have almost all been fulfilled.  
      The preaching was completed.  
      We are just waiting for the fall of Babylon the Great.  
        Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Our expectations are really in harmony with God's Word?   That's it? Some brother more in later years and with a good memory will recall that statements like these (views from different angles) have already been made in the past. Without wishing to be too argumentative, beyond the past mistakes, it is clear that sooner or later you have to get to the point where it will begin the great tribulation, will fall Babylon the Great, and you will enter the Millennial Kingdom. The fact we were wrong in the past, more than once, this in itself does not prove that you're wrong again. Could it really be so and definitely not wrong to keep alive the sense of urgency - compare Matthew 24:42; Revelation 16:15 Beyond, however, the "hint" that each of us can have, the only thing we should do is search the scriptures to try to understand "what extent we are old" in reference to biblical prophecy. It is true: if we take the writing of Matthew 24:14 and we make an analysis of the presence of our brothers in the world, probably we would come to the same conclusion of the aforesaid brother in the introduction of this article (always assuming that the report is credible). The question, however, end here? Being such an important subject, it would be no need to also examine other scriptures to see if you dial a credible framework or if "something is not right"? Moreover, as the same "slave" has admitted, they are not inspired and therefore we would like to build on something more than a simple "I want you to know how you feel the governing body about the time we live in." The Bible is not "imperfect spiritual food", does not lend itself to corrections or rewards, does not change with time and definitely do not mind - John 17:17; Romans 3: 4; James 1:17; Titus 1: 2 Obviously you are not suggesting that the interpretations of this blog are infallible; far from it. You simply want to emphasize that the Bible is always to have the last word and so we must look for answers there, not in our desires or people that we value - Matthew 4: 4 Some do not even accept the possibility that even those who are taking the lead can go wrong (as if they were human beings). For some to question the statement "slave" is an indication of lack of respect and submission but this is a myopic view of the situation. We know that many times the people of God fed wrong expectations about the future and about the will of God - compares Isaiah 28: 14-19 They were the people of God but this, in itself, did not guarantee the protection and the priests themselves, more often, showed a complete ignorance of the Scriptures - John 3:10 This also happened with good intentions and the best people - compares 1 Samuel 16: 7 Considering the biblical past, trying to see what the Bible says to beyond the proclamation and to everyone who comes , is not it the best? - 1 Thessalonians 5:21; Romans 15: 4; 2 Timothy 3:16, 17 The Lord Jesus Christ himself, the one who was the wisest of all men , and that he could speak of his own initiative, not perhaps did the same? - Matthew 4: 4-10 Questioning certain statements (not for bias, of course) is not a lack of respect towards the index "slave"; on the contrary, it shows profound respect for the one true authority of God's Word - Psalm 31: 5; Acts 17:11 Let us examine the claim that the prophecies would almost all be fulfilled, and we just have to wait the fall of Babylon the Great. The officer says that understanding God's Kingdom was established in heaven in 1914, by 1918 the heavens were purified, in 1919 the heavenly resurrection began (as well as the purification of the people of God) and so on. Perhaps there is some error in this generalization also because of the constant "adjustments" (adjustments that change the periods of a few months, ever the concepts) but roughly this is what you believe.

      In this article you will see just how the logic and writing can corroborate or invalidate these ideas. The official explanation identifies the slaughtered head of death Revelation 13: 3 as the Anglo-American empire. It is true that the book that lists this explanation (the Revelation Its Grand Climax) has now been withdrawn but there is nothing new on the horizon that, until there is a different explanation, this is the ultimate understanding accepted. As we saw this explanation is problematic because the Anglo-American empire, according to official explanations, is the "king of the South" described in the Bible book of Daniel. However in Daniel is the king of the north to win the last war, and so it is obvious that something is not right - Daniel 11: 40-45 Of course we can not say that Daniel and Revelation contradict, does not it? To focus with Daniel Revelation there are only two possibilities. Or the Anglo-American empire is actually the king of the north ** (see note below) or head slaughtered to death that you see in Revelation can not be the Anglo-American empire. Does not it seem logical reasoning? How can the Anglo-American empire (and be the king of the south) if Daniele does understand that the last ruling king, or what will be defeated by Michele, is the king of the north? In Revelation we do not see another political power that defeats the beast that ascends from the sea. After the Great War (which can also have multiple stages), do not talk about other human wars in Revelation, right? - 1 Thessalonians 5: 3 The last war we are talking about and who participates in this beast is against the God Almighty - Revelation 16: 10-14, 16 The conclusion is logical. Apart from the fact that the end will come when the preaching has reached "all the inhabited earth" before this you will see the clash between the king of the north and the king of the south. And must win the king of the north, of course. In the last World War he has probably won the king of the north as well as to assert that "we just have to wait over the fall of Babylon the Great"? Absolutely no. The last king of the north was the Third Reich and, during the battle against the king of the south (the Anglo-American empire, in fact) it came out defeated. This is a prophecy that still has not been fulfilled and it is more than enough to establish that it is not enough that the preaching arrivals in these last three remaining countries. Among other things, the writing of Matthew 24:14 does not give any basis for determining how long the good news has to take place in a given country in order to receive adequate testimony. If tomorrow our brothers  they come in those nations and begin to preach ... how much time would pass until God considered adequate and sufficiently complete that testimony? The answer is simple: we do not know . However, although that has yet to burst the war between the king of the north and king of the south, it is conceivable that in the meantime there are other prophecies that have to be fulfilled or are being fulfilled, is not it? As we have seen in several previous articles before the war should emerge a certain persecution of brothers (you have tribulation, but is not yet the great tribulation ) because the king of the north must start to suppress the daily sacrifice (the preaching work ) until you get to completely suppress it - see Daniel 8: 10-12, 24, 25 In our recent past, the preaching work was perhaps suppressed completely, which it did by means of the king of the north? According to the prophecy, and this must be done only during the last years of the scheme of things it must have a last impulse - compares Revelation 10:11; 14: 6, 7 E 'at this point that the preaching work will reach the ends of the earth, and this will happen very quickly - Zechariah 4: 6 The total suppression of preaching did not happen even during the Second World War and certainly did not happen in all countries; Also this leaves well understand that it is a prophecy to come. There is much more to say but the above should be sufficient, even for those who disagree with the explanations of this blog, to reflect that the Great, "you can not expect only the fall of" Babylon. Who has respect for the Bible itself to be shaped by it. Of course what has been said does not want to show that the end will come "who knows when." In contrast, recent international events suggest that we are far ahead in the end time  All the events described above will occur in a very short time so when we can really begin to come to "raise high head" - Luke 21:28 Those who have lifted up their heads in 1914 all died with a stiff neck but when these things begin to take place (such as the war between the king of the north and king of the south) we can do it peacefully because of this incident until the actual fall of Babylon the Great (which will not be the world empire of false religion ) will spend a maximum of ten years. So us ensure that our expectations are in harmony with the Word of God not to be disappointed - Isaiah 28:16 Us ensure that our expectations are in harmony with the Word of God to be prepared for what's to come and not discouraged - 2 Peter 1:19; Proverbs 24:10 Us ensure that our expectations are in harmony with the Word of God, ultimately, for our lives - Matthew 7:24, 25     Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. The Bible traces the path. It will not lead to disappointment.   Footnote. * The translation was not very clear. ** From previous articles we saw that the Anglo-American empire is indeed the king of the south.
    • By JOHN BUTLER
      I have no real idea of how to find out information about these things but some of you seem to have inside information. 
      This topic is aimed at the time lapse between new 'worldly information', 'worldly discoveries', 'worldly laws in different countries' and every type of worldly activity that affects the JW's in the Org.
      Such as how long does it take the GB to take action between something important happening in the 'world' then the GB having a reaction to it. 
      For instance Blood Fractions. How long had those Blood Fractions, of different types,  been available, before the GB authorised the use of them ?
      How long had the sex abuse reporting laws been in use or in force in different countries, different states, before the GB recognised them ? 
      How long did the GB know that the Superior Authorities scripture actually meant 'worldly authorities' before they changed it ? 
      The March Watchtower is proof perfect that the GB will act when pushed, not by God, but by problems within the JW Org.  But it would be good to have proof that the GB has deliberately delayed decisions on many things, even when a vast amount of information had been readily available. I don't have such proof but some of you might have.
      Why would the GB deliberately delay decisions ?  To maintain power over it's earthwide congregation. The GB recognise the power they have when people are anxiously awaiting a decision on an important matter. 
       
    • By The Librarian
      (If someone wants to start making a copy of this list in another language topic on here please do...or if I missed something please leave a comment below )
      Part of series on:

      Doctrines unchanged since 1879
      Biblical infallibility. Early copies of  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  made reference to the Bible as God's "infallible Word".[71] ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) God's name is Jehovah. Watch Tower Society founder Charles Taze Russell used the name "Jehovah" occasionally, but not consistently, when referring to God.[72] Jesus Christ gave his human life as a ransom sacrifice; belief in Jesus necessary for salvation. Russell believed that God's design for mankind was a restitution or restoration to the perfection and glory lost in Eden. This depended on God providing a ransom for all mankind to release them from the inevitability of death. Christ became that ransom sacrifice.[73][74] The timing of Christ's Second Coming, or "presence", can be calculated through Bible chronology. Russell believed the timing of Christ's advent could be calculated by determining the length and termination point of the "Gentile Times"[75][76] and also by calculating the close of six "thousand-year days" (6000 years) of human history, at which point  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  would be established.[62][77][78][79][80] Christ's return to earth was invisible. Russell claimed the Greek word parousia (Matthew 24:37) referred to a period of time, rendered more accurately as "presence" than "coming"[81] Paradise earth to be restored, humans to live forever.[82][83][84] Evolution is a teaching contrary to the Bible and denies the need of redemption by Christ.[85][need quotation to verify][86] Humans created as living souls.[87] The dead are unconscious, awaiting resurrection.[88] Anointed individuals are resurrected to heaven with spirit bodies.[89] Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  is an organized heavenly government over earth, ruled by Jesus and the anointed.[90] 1880–1889
      1880: Clergy-laity distinction viewed as unscriptural.[91] 1881: Rejection of the Trinity doctrine.[92][93][94] Russell claimed the Trinity doctrine had "not a word of Scripture" to support it. He explained: "We understand the Scriptures to teach that the  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  is not a separate and distinct person, but that it is the divine mind or influence—the motive power of Divinity exercised everywhere and for any purpose, at His pleasure."[95][96][97] In 1877 Russell and co-author N. H. Barbour had criticized the anti-Trinitarian view of the Christadelphians;[98] an 1880 book by Zion's Watch Tower writer J. H. Paton emphasised that the  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  was a person[99] and early Watch Tower issues referred to the  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  as "he"[100][101][102] and part of the "Divine Three".[103] 1881: Faith alone is not enough for someone's becoming a joint-heir with Christ in heaven, but also a life of "self-sacrifice in the service of the truth" is required.[104] 1882: No hellfire. According to Russell, most references to "hell" in the New Testament were more accurately translated as "grave".[105][106] 1887: The New Covenant, which Russell had claimed since 1880 would be inaugurated only after the last of the 144,000 anointed Christians had been taken to heaven,[107] was said to be "now in force".[108][109] 1890–1899[edit] 1890: The "Time of the End" of Daniel 12:4 is identified as beginning in October 1799—when Napoleon invaded Egypt and ended the power of the papacy—and closing in  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , at which point violent worldwide revolution would mark the end of the old world order and the beginning of a new one.[110] 1891: Biblical rapture is not a sudden event. The anointed are changed into spirit form, throughout the whole period of Christ's presence, at the time of each one's physical death.[111][112] 1897: "This generation" of Matthew 23:36 defined as "people living contemporaneously."[113] 1900–1909
      1904: Worldwide descent into anarchy and disintegration of human rule, previously predicted to occur in October  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ,[114][115] changed to "after October  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ".[116] 1904: 144,000 "elect" to go to heaven. Russell believed God had chosen a "fixed and limited ... number who should constitute the New Creation of God". God had not foreordained individuals, but those who met his "moral qualities and heart measurements" would be chosen to go to heaven.[117][118] 1904: "Great Company" of Revelation 7:9, 14 identified as a secondary spiritual class who have "insufficient zeal for the Lord, the Truth and the brethren" who are granted heavenly life, but on a lower spiritual plane.[119] In heaven they serve as servants rather than kings and priests.[120][121]  
      1907: The inauguration of the New Covenant described as belonging "exclusively to the coming age."[122] Russell began to teach that the "church" (144,000 anointed Christians) had no mediator, but itself joined Christ as a joint messiah and mediator during the millennium.[109][123] 1910–1919
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. : Length of each creative 'day' of Genesis defined as precisely 7000 years.[124] Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. : Russell "by no means confident"  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  would bring the upheaval he had predicted.[125] 1916: Timing of Armageddon, previously claimed to have begun in  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  and to culminate in  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ,[126][127] changed to have begun in  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. .[128][129] 1919: Preaching work displaces "character development" as the "chief concern" of Bible Students. Russell had taught that Christians should embark on the gradual process of "sanctification" and personality improvement to fight sinful inclinations[130][131] In 1919 The Watch Tower declared that the primary concern for Bible Students was to labor with God to find members of the elect class.[132] 1919: The seven angels, or "messengers", of Revelation chapters 1 and 2 are identified "for the first time in the history of the church" as St Paul, St John, Arius, Peter Waldo, John Wycliffe, Martin Luther and Charles Taze Russell.[133] 1920–1929
      1920: Jesus Christ's crowning as king of  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , previously 1878,[134] changed to  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. .[135] 1920: The preaching of the gospel of the  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  "in all the world for a witness unto all nations", (Matthew 24:14), previously claimed to have already been completed,[136] identified as a work for modern-day anointed Christians.[137] 1922: Establishment of  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  over earth, previously expected to result in the destruction of human governments and a "new rule of righteousness" by the end of  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. [138] changed to an invisible event in heaven in  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. .[139][140] 1923: "Sheep class", mentioned at Matthew 25:31-46 defined as those who do good to "elect" class and are rewarded by surviving Armageddon and gaining life under Christ's thousand-year reign.[141][142][143] Russell had previously applied the parable to the work of dividing the people in the Millennial Age.[144] 1923: Limitations placed on extent of Christ's ransom and resurrection hope. Russell had taught that Christ had provided a ransom for all; a 1923 Watch Tower article asserted that clergymen would not be resurrected and benefit from the ransom;[145] later articles claimed that benefits of the ransom would also be denied to Adam and Eve; those who died in the Noachian flood; those who died at Sodom and Gomorrah; both the falls of Jerusalem and those who will die at Armageddon.[146] 1925: Armageddon identified as a battle between God and Satan, resulting in the overthrow of human governments and false religion. Armageddon had previously been understood to mean a "melee between contending forces of mankind", resulting in social revolution and political anarchy.[147][148][149][150][151][152] 1925: Michael, the dragon and the man-child in Revelation chapter 12, previously defined as the Pope, the Roman Empire and the papacy, redefined as Jesus, Satan and the New Nation (or  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ), respectively.[153][154] 1926: Use of name Jehovah, previously used sparingly at assemblies and in public preaching, given new emphasis. Announced in January 1, 1926 issue of The Watchtower.[155]   1926: "Satan's organization" defined as the rulers of politics, commerce and religion and all their followers.[156] 1927: "First resurrection" of "sleeping saints", previously 1878,[157] changed to 1918.[158][159] 1927: Identification of "time of the end" as a 115-year period from 1799 to  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  discontinued.[160] Final reference appeared in J. F. Rutherford's Creation (1927).[161] 1927: "Faithful and wise servant" of Matthew 24:45-47, previously defined as Russell since 1897,[162][163][164][165] changed to a "class" comprising all remaining "anointed" Christians.[166] 1927: "This generation" of Matthew 23:36, previously defined as "people living contemporaneously"[113] changed to a remnant of the "anointed" on earth during Armageddon.[167] 1928: Great Pyramid of Giza in Egypt, previously regarded as a testimony to the Bible and its chronology,[48][168] declared to have no prophetic significance and built under the direction of Satan.[169] 1928: Celebration of Christmas, previously embraced as a "tribute of respect" to Christ,[170][171] discontinued because of its "pagan origin".[172] 1929: Honoring of God's name described as "the outstanding issue facing all intelligent creation".[173] 1929: "Superior authorities" of Romans 13:1 to whom Christians had to show subjection and obedience, previously defined as governmental authorities, redefined as God and Christ only.[174][175] Secular state then regarded as demonic and almost without redeeming features.[176] 1929: Beginning of "Time of the End" of Daniel 12:4 changed from 1799 to  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. .[177] 1930–1939
      1931: Adoption of the name "Jehovah's witnesses".[178] 1932: Assertion that God's  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  ceased operating on his people when "[Jesus] the Lord came to his tem ple, in 1918",[179][180] at which point Jesus 'took charge of feeding the flock'.[181] 1932: The "Jews" who will be restored to their homeland, previously defined as literal Jews,[182] redefined as the Christian congregation.[176][183][184] 1932: Identification of "Jonadabs", a "sheep" class of people who take a stand for righteousness and who are to be preserved by God through Armageddon to gain everlasting life on earth. The term was drawn from the account at 2 Kings 10.[185] In 1920 Rutherford had written that it was "unreasonable" to think God was developing any class other than the little flock (the 144,000 to attain heavenly kingship) and the "great company" (second spiritual class also with a heavenly hope). In 1934 the Watchtower explained that the "Jonadabs" survive Armageddon by living in the figurative "City of refuge", represented by remaining affiliated with the Watch Tower Society.[186] 1932: Watch Tower Society adherents with an earthly hope should join the worldwide preaching work.[187] In 1927 The Watchtower had directed that only anointed Christians were "entitled" to take part in the ministry.[188] 1933: Christ's parousia – his second coming or invisible "presence" – previously established as  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  and reaffirmed as late as 1929,[189] changed to  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. .[190] 1934: Vindication of God's name becomes central doctrine.[191] Rutherford noted that God had provided Jesus Christ's sacrifice as the redemption price for sinful humankind, but wrote that this was "secondary to the vindication of Jehovah's name".[192] 1934: The 1917 teaching that Russell was exercising strong influence from heaven on the "harvesting" of anointed Christians[193] described as "foolish".[194] 1935:  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  of Revelation 7 defined as the "sheep" of Matthew 25, resulting in a redirection of proselytizing efforts from gathering the "elect" (remnant of the 144,000 with a heavenly destiny) to gathering an indeterminate number of people who could survive Armageddon and receive everlasting life on earth. Previously, the "great crowd" was believed to have a heavenly hope.[141][195] 1935: Tobacco use "unclean" and prohibited for Bethel (branch office) staff and traveling overseers.[196] 1935: Vaccines, described since 1921 as "devilish" and "an outrage",[197][198] condemned as a violation of God's law.[199] 1936: Device on which Jesus was killed, previously defined as a wooden cross, redefined as a "tree".[200] An image of the cross appeared on the front page of The Watch Tower until October 1931.[201] 1937: Jehovah's Witnesses with an earthly hope could be described as "Christian".[202] In 1930 the Watchtower had asserted that the term "Christian" could be applied only to anointed followers of Christ.[203] 1938: God's mandate to "be fruitful and multiply" said to apply only after the start of the millennium. The Watchtower said the mandate had never been carried out under righteous conditions, and so had failed to be fulfilled according to God's will. Rutherford urged Witnesses to delay marriage and the bearing of children until after Armageddon.[204] 1939: Witnesses required to demonstrate complete neutrality in worldly affairs.[205] 1940–1949
      1942: Tobacco prohibition applied to all appointed positions, such as congregation overseers and servants.[206] 1943: Destruction of Jerusalem moved from 606 BCE to 607 BCE, when the Watch Tower Society realised there was no year zero between 1 BCE and 1 CE, in order to maintain calculations regarding  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; return of the Jews from Babylon to Jerusalem moved from 536 BCE to 537 BCE to maintain 70 years after 607 BCE.[207][208] 1943: Adam's creation, previously 4129 BCE[209] or 4128 BCE,[210] moved forward 100 years to 4028 BCE. The shift in dates also moved the termination point of 6,000 years of human history from October 1872[211] to 1972.[212][213] 1944: Responsibility for administering discipline, including disfellowshipping, of dissident members passed from entire congregation to congregational judicial committees.[214][215] Russell had recommended in a 1904 publication that a congregation "committee" investigate a congregant's serious "error or sin", but the entire congregation voted whether "to withdraw from him its fellowship".[216] 1944: Adam's creation, previously 4028 BCE, changed to 4026 BCE.[217] 1945: Blood transfusions forbidden.[218][219] Russell had viewed the prohibition on eating blood in Acts 15:19-29 as a "suggestion" to gentile Christians in order to "guard against stumbling themselves or becoming stumbling blocks to others"[220] and ensure peace within the early church.[221] 1950–1959
      1951: "This generation" of Matthew 23:36, previously defined as a remnant of the "anointed" on earth during Armageddon[167] changed to "a 'generation' in the ordinary sense" who were alive in  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. .[222] 1951: Celebration of birthdays considered "objectionable" because celebrations are "steeped in false worship" and exalt humans.[223] 1952: Vaccines, previously condemned, considered acceptable.[224][225] 1953: Adam's creation, previously 4026 BCE, changed to 4025 BCE. End of God's 6,000-year "rest day" ending in northern hemisphere autumn 1976.[226] 1954: Worship of Jesus, previously considered appropriate and necessary,[227][228][229] deemed inappropriate, with the New World Translation translating proskyne′ō as "do obeisance to" rather than "worship" (King James Version).[230] 1955: Operation of  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , asserted in 1932 to have ceased in 1918, stated as having been still operative after 1918.[231]  
      1960–1969
      1961: Acceptance of blood transfusion deemed a disfellowshipping offence.[232] Acceptance of human organ transplant stipulated a personal matter to be decided without criticism.[233] 1962: "Superior authorities" of Romans 13:1 redefined as earthly governments, reverting the 1929 change[234] to
      ussell's 1886 teaching.[235] A year earlier, Russell's view was considered to have made the Watch Tower Bible Students unclean in God's eyes.[174][236] 1963: Adam's creation changed back to 4026 BCE.[237] End of 6,000 years of human history due in northern hemisphere autumn 1975.[238] 1967: Human organ transplants equated with cannibalism,[239] "a practice abhorrent to all civilized people", and said to be a procedure not permitted by God.[240] The Watchtower article announcing the view is interpreted by commentators as a prohibition.[9][241] In a 1972 article, Jehovah's Witnesses are described as having taken a "stand" against organ transplants, saving them from the consequences of such operations, on the basis of the description of the procedure as "a form of cannibalism".[242] 1968: Interval between Adam's creation and the close of the sixth creative "day", previously "quite some time",[213][217][243][244] changed to "a comparatively short period of time" that "may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years." The change led to expectations that Christ's 1,000 year reign could begin in 1975.[245] 1970–1979
      1973: Tobacco use banned. Tobacco users not to be accepted for baptism and baptized Witnesses to be disfellowshipped if they continue to smoke after "a reasonable period of time, such as six months".[246] 1980–1989
      1980: Acceptance of human organ transplants stipulated as a matter of personal choice not warranting congregational discipline. View of transplants as cannibalism now said to be held only by "some Christians".[247] The Watchtower article is regarded by commentators as a reversal of Society's 1967 position that the procedure is not permitted by God.[9][241] 1981: Members who formally resign membership of the religion (disassociate) are to be shunned in the same manner as disfellowshipped Witnesses.[248] 1983: Martial arts and carrying "firearms for protection against humans" disqualify a Witness from "special privileges in the congregation", such as appointment as  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. .[249] 1988: Length of creative 'days' in Genesis, previously defined as exactly 7,000 years each,[250] changed to "at least thousands of years in length" [emphasis added][251] 1990-1999
      1990: Interval between Adam's creation and the close of the sixth creative "day" changed to "some time", employing a 1963 reference rather than the 1968 change.[252] 1992: The "modern-day Nethinim", previously defined as synonymous with the "other sheep",[253] redefined as a subset of the "other sheep" who serve in positions of authority within the organization as "helpers" to the Governing Body.[254] 1995: "This generation" at Matthew 23:36, previously defined as a typical human lifespan since Jesus' parousia in  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ,[222] redefined as a class of people displaying certain characteristics for an indefinite period of time.[255][256][257][258][259] 1995: Fulfillment of Jesus' parable of the separating of sheep and goats, previously considered to have been ongoing since  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , changed to after the start of the 'great tribulation'.[260][261] 1995: The expression "vindication of Jehovah’s name" declared unnecessary, with emphasis on "vindicating his sovereignty" and "sanctifying his name" as being more accurate.[262] The former expression had not appeared in any publication since 1991.[263] 1999:  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. . It is also not encouraged. 2000–2009
      2007: Selection of the 144,000 "anointed", previously considered to have ended in 1935,[264] changed to an indefinite period.[265] 2008: "This generation" redefined as "anointed" believers, who will "not pass away" before the great tribulation begins.[266] This was a return to the belief held in 1927.[167] 2010–2019
      2010: "This generation" redefined to refer to a new generation of "anointed" whose lives "overlap" with "the anointed who were on hand when the sign began to become evident in  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ".[267] 2012: "Faithful and discreet slave", previously defined as synonymous with the "anointed" and represented by the Governing Body,[268] redefined to refer to the Governing Body only. The "domestics", previously defined as each member of the "anointed" individually, redefined as including all members of the "anointed" and the "great crowd". The "evil slave" of Matthew 24:48, previously defined as former "anointed" members who reject Jesus, redefined as a hypothetical warning to the "faithful slave".[269][270] 2014:  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  meaning at  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  clarified to mean the Messianic  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  (first announced at the  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) 2014  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  limited to 80 years of age.  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. 2014: "Gog of Magog" redefined at the  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. 2014: Formerly avoided, TV style evangelism is now embraced with the new JW Broadcasting at the  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  differentiated by a lack of request for donations as other Televangelists. 2014:  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. 2015:  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  is started 2015:  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. 2016 Ezekiel chapter 9 - Identity of the man with the secretary's inkhorn changed from the anointed to Jesus Christ 2017 JW men sporting beards in field service appear more regularly - example 2018: "Russia and its Allies" are again "The King of the North" - 2018 Annual Meeting 2019: Two witness rule suspended in cases of Child Sexual Abuse after global outcry - Discussion here  
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      71. Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence, January 1, 1908, page 2.
      72. Franz 2007, p. 492
      73. Russell 1886, pp. 149–172
      74. Charles Taze Russell, "Harvest Gatherings and Siftings", Zion's Watch Tower, July 15, 1906, p. 3821 (reprint).
      75. 1975 Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses, page 36.
      76. "Who Can Read the Sign Aright?", Watchtower, February 1, 1985, page 10.
      77. Rogerson, Alan (1969), Millions Now Living Will Never Die: A Study of Jehovah's Witnesses, Constable & Co, London, pp. 17–23, ISBN 978-0-09-455940-0
      78. Barbour 1877, pp. 67–77
      79. Penton 1997, p. 20
      80. Russell 1889, pp. 38, 39
      81. Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence, August 1879, Reprints 20, page 3.
      82. C. T. Russell, The Object and Manner of Our Lord's Return, 1877.
      83. The Watch Tower, July 1, 1879, p. 7 (reprint).
      84. "Speak the Pure Language and Live Forever!", The Watchtower, May 1, 1991, page 17, "In 1879...a small Bible-study group led by Charles Taze Russell was meeting in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.A. They had become certain that Jesus’ second coming...would restore Paradise on earth, with eternal life for obedient humans."
      85. Charles Taze Russell, "Haverst Gatherings and Siftings", Zion's Watch Tower, July 15, 1906, p. 3824 (reprint).
      86. C. T. Russell, The Divine Plan of the Ages, 1886, study IX, page 172, "These things are clearly taught in the Scriptures, from beginning to end, and are in direct opposition to the Evolution theory; or, rather, such "babblings of science, falsely so called," are in violent and irreconcilable conflict with the Word of God."
      87. Barbour 1877, pp. 6, 42
      88. Barbour 1877, p. 42
      89. Barbour 1877, p. 165
      90. Barbour 1877, p. 48,49
      91. Watch Tower, January 1880, Watch Tower Reprints page 64 As Retrieved 2009-09-23, page 2
      92. Watch Tower, April 1881, Watch Tower Reprints page 207 As Retrieved 2009-09-23, page 7, "And why did they thus keep the people in ignorance? Because they feared that if people knew this, the only text which gives even a shadow of support to the doctrine of the TRINITY, to be an interpolation to support a papal error, they might renounce the error".
      93. Zion's Watch Tower, September 1881, Watch Tower Reprints page 278 As Retrieved 2009-09-23, page 132, "As to the motives and errors which may have led to these unwarranted interpolations of the [Bible] text, we may be able to offer a suggestion, viz., the last mentioned (1 John 5:7,8) was probably intended to give authority and sanction to the doctrine of the "Trinity."
      94. Watch Tower, October 1881, Watch Tower Reprints page 290 As Retrieved 2009-09-23, page 4, ""He gave his only begotten Son." This phraseology brings us into conflict with an old Babylonian theory, viz.: Trinitarianism. If that doctrine is true, how could there be any Son to give? A begotten Son, too? Impossible. If these three are one, did God send himself? And how could Jesus say: "My Father is greater than I." John 14:28. [emphasis retained from original]"
      95. Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence, July 1882, Reprints 370, page 3.
      96. Penton, M. J. (1997), Apocalypse Delayed (2nd ed.), University of Toronto Press, p. 343, note 64, "Barbour and Paton were trinitarians ... although Henry Grew and George Stetson, two others who had influenced him, were non–trinitarians, Russell did not take a stand on the matter, at least publicly, until after his split with Paton."
      97. Jehovah's Witnesses, Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1993, page 120.
      98. N. H. Barbour, C. T. Russell, Three Worlds, 1877, page 57, "I am beginning to think Age-to-come people, and many others among pre-millennialists, do not believe in anything of a spiritual nature, or have the most remote comprehension of things of that order; either that the saint is raised 'a spiritual body,' or in the existence of spiritual beings, or even of the 
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  itself. I know one class of age-to-come believers, the Christadelphians, do not. The  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , say they, is but a principle, or element of power, and not an intelligence. It is nothing more nor less than 'electricity;' is taught in one of their books, now before me. What wonder they discern only a fleshly future."
      99. J. H. Paton, Day Dawn, A.D. Jones, 1880, page 225, 229, "The work of the  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  is one of the most important elements in the plan of revelation and salvation. He is always spoken of by the Saviour as a Person, and is called the " Spirit of truth." We will follow the Saviour's example in this, though we do not propose to deal with the philosophy of that fact. He being the Spirit of truth, it is His mission to make known the truth."
      100. Zion's Watch Tower, July 1880, page 8, "But the Spirit cannot resign his work until it is complete."
      101. Zion's Watch Tower, August 1880, page 4, "Then let the Spirit use his sword upon others as he may see fit to humble them, strip them of pride, and bring them to the rock that is higher than they."
      102. Zion's Watch Tower, November 1880, page 8, "The Spirit is still our leader and instructor. He is now telling us of Him who comes by way of unseen presence that He is here present."
      103. Zion's Watch Tower, March 1881, page 5, "The number three is surprisingly prominent, as the subject opens before us ... We would first call attention to the Divine Three – Father, Son and  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  – often mentioned in the Bible."
      104. Charles Taze Russell, "Harvest Gatherings and Siftings", Zion's Watch Tower, July 15, 1906, p. 3825 (reprint).
      105. Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence, May 1882, Reprints 356, page 8.
      106. Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence, September 1882, Reprints 392, page 4.
      107. "The Three Great Covenants", Zion's Watch Tower, March 1880.
      108. "The New Covenant vs the Law Covenant", Zion's Watch Tower, September 1887.
      109. Wills 2006, pp. 63–68
      110. Russell 1891, pp. 38,47–59
      111. Russell 1891, pp. 239–242
      112. Charles Taze Russell, "Harvest Gatherings and Siftings", Zion's Watch Tower, July 15, 1906, p. 3823 (reprint).
      113. Studies in the Scriptures 4. pp. 602–603.
      114. Russell 1889, p. 78
      115. "The Outlook - War & Prosperity", Zion's Watch Tower & Herald of Christ's Presence, September 15, 1901 (R2876 page 292)
      116. "Universal Anarchy", Zion's Watch Tower & Herald of Christ's Presence, July 1, 1904 (R3389 page 197)
      117. The New Creation, (Volume VI of Studies in the Scriptures), 1904, page 179: “We have every reason to believe that the definite, fixed number of the elect [chosen anointed ones] is that several times stated in Revelation (7:4; 14:1); namely, 144,000 ‘redeemed from amongst men."
      118. "The Great Company", Zion's Watch Tower, October 15, 1904.
      119. The New Creation, (Volume VI of Studies in the Scriptures), 1904, page 168-170.
      120. Wills 2006, pp. 57, 58
      121. "The Rank of the Ancient Worthies", "The Great Company", Zion's Watch Tower, October 15, 1904.
      122. "Our Advocate, the World's Mediator," Zion's Watch Tower, January 1, 1907.
      123. "The Word Mediator Used Differently,", Watch Tower, January 1909.
      124. Scenario of the Photo-Drama of Creation, © Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  International Bible Students Association, page 3
      125. "Views from the Watch Tower", Zion's Watch Tower & Herald of Christ's Presence, January 1,  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. (R5373: page 3)
      126. Russell 1889, p. 101
      127. "Overcome With Wine", Zion's Watch Tower & Herald of Christ's Presence, January 15, 1892 (R1357: page 27)
      128. "What Smiting of the Waters May Mean", Zion's Watch Tower & Herald of Christ's Presence, February 1, 1916 (R5845: page 38)
      129. "The Burning of the Tares", Zion's Watch Tower & Herald of Christ's Presence, September 1, 1916 (R5951: page 265)
      130. The Watch Tower, October 1, 1913, pgs 291-295.
      131. Zion's Watch Tower, April 1, 1916, pages 98-99.
      132. The Watch Tower, December 15, 1919, pg 375.
      133. "The Table of the Great King,", The Watchtower, April 1, 1919, as cited by James Penton, Apocalypse Delayed, pg 181.
      134. Russell 1889, p. 233
      135.  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.
      136. C. T. Russell, The Battle of Armageddon, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1897, page 568.
      137. "Gospel of the Kingdom",  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. .
      138. "View from the Tower", Zion's Watch Tower & Herald of Christ's Presence, January 15, 1892 (R1354: page 19)
      139. New Heavens and a New Earth, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1953, page 225.
      140. Watch Tower, November 1, 1922, pages 332-337.
      141. Penton 1997, p. 72
      142."The Keys of the Kingdom and the Great Crowd", Watchtower, October 1, 1971, page 14.
      143. "The Parable of the sheep and goats", The Watchtower, October 15, 1923, pages 307-314.
      144. Wills 2006, p. 113
      145. Watch Tower, October 15, 1923.
      146. Wills 2006, pp. 141, 142
      147. Watch Tower, January 1, 1925.
      148. Rutherford 1930, p. 134
      149. Rutherford 1930, p. 223
      150. Rutherford 1930, p. 251
      151. Zion's Watch Tower, August 1, 1892, page 238.
      152. The Finished Mystery, 1917, pages 256-258. See comment on Rev. 16:16-20.
      153. Watch Tower, March 1, 1925, page 69.
      154. J. F. Rutherford, The Battle of Armageddon, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1889, page 541.
      155. "Restoration of True Religion", Watchtower, March 1, 1954, page 150.
      156. J.F. Rutherford, Deliverance, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, 1926, pages 268,269.
      157. Russell 1891, p. 306
      158. Watch Tower, June 1, 1927.
      159. Rutherford 1930, p. 226
      160. Russell 1891, p. 23
      161. Creation by J.F. Rutherford, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1927, chapter 12, page 314.
      162. The Battle of Armageddon (Part IV, "Studies in the Scriptures") by C. T. Russell, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1897, page 613.
      163. Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence, July 15, 1906, page 215.
      164. Franz 2002, pp. 78–79
      165. Watch Tower, March 1, 1923, pages 68 and 71, as cited by Raymond Franz, Crisis of Conscience, Commentary Press, 2007, page 63.
      166. Watch Tower, January 1, 1927 and February, pages 7, 51-7, as cited by Penton, Apocalypse Delayed.
      167.The Watchtower: 62. February 15, 1927.
      168. Watchtower, June 15, 1922, page 187, as reproduced by Raymond Franz, Crisis of Conscience, page 225, 226.
      169. Watchtower, 1928, pages 339-45, 355-62, as cited by M. James Penton, Apocalypse Delayed, University of Toronto Press, page 170.
      170. "The Prince of Peace", Zion's Watch Tower & Herald of Christ's Presence, December 1, 1904, page 364.
      171. The Golden Age, December 24, 1919, page 215: "Christmas is regarded by many people as the date of the birth of the babe Jesus in a manger at Bethlehem. Whether the date is correct or not is of small importance, but the event was and is of the greatest importance."
      172. 1975 Yearbook, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, page 146
      173. Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1993, page 152.
      174. Franz 2007, p. 484
      175. "The Higher Powers", Watch Tower, June 1929, pages 163-169, 179-185.
      176. Penton 1997, p. 65
      177. The Watchtower, December 1, 1929, pages 355-357, as cited by Edmond C. Gruss, The Four Presidents of the Watch Tower Society, page 117 and Tony Wills, A People For His name, page 48.
      178. Penton 1997, p. 62
      179. Preservation by J. F. Rutherford, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1932, page 103-194.
      180. Watch Tower, October 1, 1932, page 294.
      181. Preparation, ©1933 by J. F. Rutherford, Watch Tower, page 196
      182. The Watchtower, February 15, 1925, page 57, "We know the work of restitution must come to the Jews first, and through them to the rest of the world. As the Scriptures state that Jerusalem is to be the capital of the world and that the ancient worthies are to be princes in all the earth, we are warranted in expecting that the kingdom work will begin at Jerusalem."
      183. Vindication, Book 2, by J.F. Rutherford, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1932, pages 258, 269, 295.
      184. Vindication, Book 3, by J.F. Rutherford, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1932, page 333.
      185. Jehovah's Witnesses – Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1993, page 165.
      186. Watchtower, August 15, 1934, as cited by Tony Wills, A People For His Name, pg 192-193.
      187. Vindication, J. F. Rutherford, Book III, pages 83. 84.
      188. Watchtower, January 15, 1927, pg 26, 27, "He who is called to be a minister of God must be a new creature, begotten of God's  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; none other can have a share. In this ministry only those who are new creatures in Jesus Christ are entitled to share." As cited by Tony Wills, A People For His Name,(2007), pg 194.
      189. Prophecy by J. F. Rutherford, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1929, chapter 4, page 65.
      190. Watch Tower, December 1, 1933, page 362: "In the year 1914 that due time of waiting came to an end. Christ Jesus received the authority of the kingdom and was sent forth by Jehovah to rule amidst his enemies. The year 1914, therefore, marks the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, the King of glory."
      191. Penton 1997, p. 69
      192. Jehovah, J.F. Rutherford, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1934.
      193. Watchtower, November 1, 1917, page 6161.
      194. J.F. Rutherford, Jehovah, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1934, page 191.
      195. Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1959, page 140.
      196. The Watchtower, March 1, 1935
      197. The Golden Age, October 12, 1921, Page 17, "Vaccination never prevented anything and never will, and is the most barbarous practice ... We are in the last days; and the devil is slowly losing his hold, making a strenuous effort meanwhile to do all the damage he can, and to his credit can such evils be placed ... Use your rights as American citizens to forever abolish the devilish practice of vaccinations."
      198. The Golden Age, January 5, 1929, Page 502, "Thinking people would rather have smallpox than vaccination, because the latter sows seeds of syphilis, cancers, eczema, erysipelas, scrofula, consumption, even leprosy and many other loathsome affections. Hence the practice of vaccinations is a crime, an outrage, and a delusion."
      199. The Golden Age, April 2, 1935, Page 465, "As vaccination is a direct injection of animal matter in the blood stream, vaccination is a direct violation of the law of Jehovah God."
      200. Riches, by J.F. Rutherford, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1936, page 27.
      201. Franz 2007, p. 150
      202. Watchtower, November 1, 1937, page 336, as cited by Tony Wills, A People For His Name, pg 195.
      203. Watchtower, March 1, 1930, page 71, "Since "Christ' means the anointed of God, it is manifestly true that no one can properly be termed a Christian who is not in Christ and who has not received the anointing."
      204. A People for His Name, Tony Wills, pgs 186-187, citing Watchtower October 15, 1938, pg 307, Watchtower, November 1, 1938, page 323, Watchtower, November 15, 1938, page 346.
      205. Watch Tower, November 1, 1939, as cited by Jehovah's Witnesses, Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1993, page 193.
      206. The Watchtower, July 1, 1942, pages 205-206
      207. "Questions from Readers". The Watchtower: 94. February 1, 1955. "Jehovah's witnesses from 1877 up to and including the publishing of "The Truth Shall Make You Free" of 1943 considered 536 B.C. as the year for the return of the Jews to Palestine"
      208. "Determining the Year by Fact and Bible". The Watchtower: 271–2. May 1, 1952. "Concerning the first error, Russell and others considered 1 B.C. to A.D. 1 as being two years whereas in fact this is only one year because, as has been said above, there is no "zero" year in the B.C.-A.D. system for counting years."
      209. Russell 1889, p. 54
      210. Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence, May 15, 1896, R1980 page 112.
      211. Three Worlds, by N. H. Barbour and C. T. Russell, 1877, pages 67, 186, as cited by Edmund Gruss, The Jehovah's Witnesses and Prophetic Speculation, 1972, pages 62-63.
      212. The Truth Shall Make You Free, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1943, chapter 11, page 151.
      213. Gruss, Edmond C. (1972), The Jehovah's Witnesses and Prophetic Speculation, Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Co, pp. 68–69, ISBN 0-87552-306-4
      214. Penton 1997, p. 89
      215. The Watchtower, May 15, 1944.
      216. The New Creation, Watch Tower, 1904, pages 289-290, "The administration of discipline is not the function of the  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  only, but of the entire [congregation]. ... If the reproved one fails to clear himself, and continues in the error or sin, then two or three brethren without previous prejudice should be asked to hear the matter and advise the disputants. ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  they may or may not be, but their eldership would add no force or authority in the case except as their judgment might be the riper and their influence the more potent.) If this committee decide unanimously with either party, the other should acquiesce and the matter be wholly at an end--correction, or restitution, so far as possible, being promptly made. If either of the original disputants still persists in the wrong course, the [accuser, a committee member] or, preferably, all of these together, may then (but not sooner) exercise their privilege of bringing the matter before the [congregation]. Thus it is evident that the  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  were in no sense to be judges of the members—hearing and judgment were left to the [congregation]. The two preliminary steps (above mentioned) having been taken, the facts being certified to the  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , it would be their duty to call a general meeting of the [congregation], as a court--to hear the case in all of its particulars, and in the name and reverence of its Head to render a decision. ... if the transgressor refuse to hear (obey) the decision of the entire [congregation], ... the [congregation] is to withdraw from him its fellowship and any and all signs or manifestations of brotherhood. [emphasis retained from original]
      217. "Questions From Readers", The Watchtower, 1 February 1955: 94–95
      218. Penton 1997, p. 153
      219. The Watchtower, July 1. 1945.
      220. The Watch Tower, November 15, 1892 p. 351.
      221. The Watch Tower, April 15, 1909 pp. 116-117, "These prohibitions had never come to the Gentiles, because they had never been under the Law Covenant; but so deeply rooted were the Jewish ideas on this subject that it was necessary to the peace of the Church that the Gentiles should observe this matter also ... these items thus superadded to the Law of Love should be observed by all spiritual Israelites as representing the Divine will.”
      222. The Watchtower: 404. July 1, 1951.
      223. Questions From Readers, Watchtower, October 1, 1951.
      224. The Watchtower, December 15, 1952.
      225. "Questions From Readers", Watchtower, September 15, 1958: "Q: Are we to consider the injection of serums such as diphtheria toxin antitoxin and blood fractions such as gamma globulin into the blood stream, for the purpose of building up resistance to disease by means of antibodies, the same as the drinking of blood or the taking of blood or blood plasma by means of transfusion? A: No, it does not seem necessary that we put the two in the same category, although we have done so in times past.
      226. "Questions From Readers", The Watchtower, 1 February 1955: 95
      227. "Interesting Queries", Watch Tower, July 15, 1898, page 216.
      228. Watchtower, November 15, 1939, page 339: "Jehovah God commands all to worship Christ Jesus because Christ Jesus is the express image of his Father, Jehovah"
      229. Watchtower, October 15, 1945, page 313: "Since Jehovah God now reigns as King by means of his capital organization Zion, then whosoever would worship Him must also worship and bow down to Jehovah's Chief One in that capital organization, namely, Christ Jesus."
      230. "Questions From Readers", Watchtower, January 1, 1954, page 30.
      231. "Modern Restoration of True Worship (1919-1932)", The Watchtower, May 15, 1955, page 296, "Jesus—then to expand on a global scale—so now in the spring of 1919 there was an outpouring of Jehovah’s  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  organizationally upon the Christian remnant."
      232. Watchtower, January 15, 1961, page 63.
      233. Watchtower, August 1, 1961, page 480.
      234. Watchtower, November 15, 1962.
      235. The Divine Plan of the Ages, by C. T. Russell, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1886, page 266: "They taught the Church to obey the laws, and to respect those in authority because of their office, even if they were not personally worthy of esteem; to pay their appointed taxes, and, except where they conflicted with God's laws (Acts 4: 19; 5: 29), to offer no resistance to any established law. (Rom. 13: 1 - 7)"
      236. "The Congregation in the Time of the End", Watchtower, March 1, 1961, page 146.
      237. All Scripture Is Inspired of God and Beneficial, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1963, page 286.
      238. "The Removal of Mankind's Chief Disturber", The Watchtower, 15 July 1967: 446–447
      239. Awake, June 8, 1968, Page 21 “Christian witnesses of Jehovah,... consider all transplants between humans as cannibalism.”
      240. Watchtower, November 15, 1967, pages 702-704
      241. Penton, M. J. Penton, Apocalypse Delayed, University of Toronto Press, pp. 165–171, "In 1967 the society suddenly decided that what had been permissible no longer was. Organ transplants suddenly became a form of human cannibalism ... Yet after many faithful Jehovah's Witnesses had suffered for their faith by giving up transplants which in some cases could have made their lives more pleasant and comfortable and by saving them from early death in others, the society again reversed itself."
      242. "Keep Abstaining from Blood", Awake!, July 8, 1972, page 28, "The stand of the Christian witnesses of Jehovah—that such transplants are in effect a form of cannibalism—proved a safeguard. How so? In that it spared them much frustration, grief and anxiety, which were experienced not only by the patients and their relatives but even by many of the assisting medical personnel."
      243. "Questions From Readers", The Watchtower, February 1, 1955, page 95, "However, from our present chronology (which is admitted imperfect) at best the fall of the year 1976 would be the end of 6,000 years of human history for mankind... Obviously, whatever amount of Adam’s 930 years was lived before the beginning of that seventh-day rest of Jehovah, that unknown amount would have to be added to the 1976 date."
      244. Thy Kingdom Come by C. T. Russell, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1889, pages 127-128. "long enough [for Adam] to realize his lack of a companion" and an additional "two years would not be an improbable estimate" to have passed between Adam's creation and Edenic expulsion (beginning the seventh creative day).
      245. "Why Are You Looking Forward to 1975?", The Watchtower, August 15, 1968, page 499-500
      246. Watchtower, June 1, 1973, page 340.
      247. "Questions From Readers", Watchtower, March 15, 1980, page 31.
      248. John Dart, "Defectors Feel Witnsses' Wrath", Los Angeles Times, January 30, 1982, Part II, page 4, "The Sept. 15 Watchtower magazine told members that anyone who has written a letter of resignation should be shunned as if he had been 'disfellowshipped', or expelled ... 'This is a hardening, a tightening, of our policy,' confirmed William Van De Wall, a headquarters spokesman for the Watchtower Society. Denying any great membership losses, Van De Wall said the new directive was to counteract 'disgruntled' ex-members."
      249. “Seek Peace and Pursue It”, The Watchtower, July 15, 1983, page 25
      250. "Questions from readers", The Watchtower, January 1, 1987, page 30, "A study of the fulfillment of Bible prophecy and of our location in the stream of time strongly indicate that each of the creative days is 7,000 years long. It is understood that Christ’s reign of a thousand years will bring to a close God’s 7,000-year ‘rest day,’ the last ‘day’ of the creative week. Based on this reasoning, the entire creative week would be 49,000 years long."
      251. "Creation", Insight, volume 1, 1988 Watch Tower, page 545, "Since the seventh day has been continuing for thousands of years, it may reasonably be concluded that each of the six creative periods, or days, was at least thousands of years in length ... Ascribing not just 24 hours but a longer period of time, thousands of years, to each of the creative days better harmonizes with the evidence found in the earth itself."
      252. All Scripture Is Inspired of God and Beneficial, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1990, page 286.
      253. Man's Salvation Out of World Distress at Hand!, pages 167–168 (1975)
      254. The Watchtower, April 15, 1992, pages 12–17
      255. Watchtower, November 1, 1995, page 20.
      256. The Watchtower, June 1, 1997, page 28: "The recent information in The Watchtower about "this generation" did not change our understanding of what occurred in 1914. But it did give us a clearer grasp of Jesus' use of the term "generation," helping us to see that his usage was no basis for calculating-counting from 1914 – how close to the end we are."
      257. Joel P. Engardio (December 18, 1995), "Apocalypse Later", Newsweek
      258. Penton 1997, p. 317
      259. John Dart, "Jehovah's Witnesses Abandon Key Tenet", Los Angeles Times, November 4, 1995.
      260. Watchtower, February 1, 1995.
      261. Penton 1997, p. 316
      262. "Part 2—Flashes of Light—Great and Small", The Watchtower, May 15, 1995, page 25
      263. "Chapter 24: Why Jesus Came to Earth", The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived, ©1991, "Jesus came to earth particularly to preach about God’s Kingdom, which will vindicate his Father’s name"
      264. Watchtower, February 15, 1995, p.19.
      265. Watchtower, May 1, 2007, pages 30-31: "It appears that we can not set a specific date for when the calling of Christians to the heavenly hope ends."
      266. "Watchtower", February 15, 2008, pages 23-24: "On the other hand, Christ's faithful anointed brothers, the modern-day John class, have recognized this sign as if it were a flash of lightning and have understood its true meaning. As a class, these anointed ones make up the modern-day "generation" of contemporaries that will not pass away "until all these things occur."* This suggests that some who are Christ's anointed brothers will still be alive on earth when the foretold great tribulation begins."
      267. " Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  role in the outworking of Jehovah's purposes", The Watchtower, 15 April 2010: 10
      268. "Your Leader Is One, the Christ". The Watchtower: 23. September 15, 2010.
      269. "Annual Meeting Report".
      270. The Watchtower: 20–25. July 15, 2013.
    • By Shiwiii
      Why does it take the Inquisition into the CSA by governments around the world, lawsuits in many countries and  the threat of non-profit status in a few countries to FORCE the wt/gb to amend the CSA policy?  The article is in the May 2019 WT and the title of the article is "Love and Justice in the Face of Wickedness". 
       
       
      "13 Do elders comply with secular laws about reporting an allegation of child abuse to the secular authorities? Yes. In places where such laws exist, elders endeavor to comply with secular laws about reporting allegations of abuse....So when they learn of an allegation, elders immediately seek direction on how they can comply with laws about reporting it."
       
      I can see that they still won't enforce reporting to the police each and every CSA case only if required by law.  Key word is "REQUIRED" .
       
      "14 Elders assure victims and their parents and others with knowledge of the  matter that they are free to report an allegation of abuse to the secular authorities. But what if the report is about someone who is a part of the congregation and the matter then becomes known in the community? Should the Christian who reported it feel that he has brought reproach on God’s name? No. The abuser is the one who brings reproach on God’s name."
       
      Finally, they finally get it that it is the wrong doer who is the bad guy and not the reporter.......but, I'm sure this is just lip service. And here's why:
       
       
      16 When they learn that someone in the congregation is accused of child abuse, elders endeavor to comply with any secular laws about reporting the matter, and then they conduct a Scriptural investigation. If the individual denies the accusation, the elders consider the testimony of witnesses. If at least two people—the one making the accusation and someone else who can verify this act or other acts of child abuse by the accused—establish the charge, a judicial committee is formed. 
      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  
      And there you have it, two witness rule still in effect and no mandatory reporting of CSA unless mandated by law.
      However, what is the true gain here? Not much, but some is better than nothing, the fact that whoever reports is not the bad guy, the abuser is.  What a wonderful provision made by the loving Jehoverning body. I hope that one day the gb/wt will be on par with humanity in reporting ALL accusations of CSA or any abuse for that matter. 
    • By Jack Ryan
      referring to CHAPTER 18 “My Great Rage Will Flare Up” in the new book:
      and in the first picture? at top of study. Mom, Dad and daughter are at the table reading - praying while Gramps is keeping a watchful eye on the streets for recon angel forces ? Perhaps a few cherub paratroopers dropping behind the lines?
    • By Jack Ryan
      Would we just drop dead? Would it be painful? Would we suffer? Would we know? If we die wouldn’t our sins be forgiven anyways cause if not that makes god a liar. No one ever talked About how we would all die
      Arrow to the chest by Jesus on a mighty steed?
    • By Jack Ryan
      Will God kill billions of children?
    • By Jack Ryan
      Panic and escape scene in Moncalieri, but it is the film of Jehovah's Witnesses
      Stampa Newspaper:
      La Stampa (meaning The Press in English) is an Italian daily newspaper published in Turin, Italy. It is distributed in Italy and other European nations. It is one of the oldest newspapers in Italy
    • By Queen Esther
      NEW UNDERSTANDING, THAT ALMOST HAPPENS INADVERTED.....
      At the last meeting of the Watchtower, we were considering the article "Jehovah loves those who" bear fruit with endurance "
      In this article a new understanding on the part of the slave was opened to our mind.
      Paragraph 9 specifically says:
      "What is the fruit that we must produce?" Without a doubt, it must be something that we can all carry out, and what work has Jehovah commanded us all his servants? The preaching of the message of the Kingdom.
      Not many brothers and sisters captured this new understanding since they even came to quote me at the end of the meeting, an appointment that was made precisely the previous meeting based on a 2008 Watchtower, which says:
      8:15. To be one of those who "retain [the word] and bear fruit with endurance", we must understand, assimilate and recognize the value of the Word of God. When we read the Bible and Christian publications, we need to pray and meditate.
      The first type of terrain is hard, the second is shallow and the third is full of thorns. The fourth, on the other hand, is a good land that produces fruit (Luke 8: 8). Remember that the sower of the parable can not control the results. Knowing this comforts all Christians and in particular those who have been many years, even decades, preaching faithfully without much apparent results. Why is that fact comforting them? The sower's fidelity is not measured by the results of their work. This was confirmed by Paul when he said: "Each person will receive his own reward according to his own work" (1 Corinthians 3: 8). What is rewarded is the work, not the results
      A sower of the word may not see that his work is bearing much fruit; however, that does not mean that you have been less diligent or faithful than others
      (end of quote)
      According to the brothers, what was said in paragraph 9 of the study of the Watchtower IS THE SAME thing that the Watchtower of 2008 already said. Even the one in 2010 and the one in 2015, said the same thing.
      BUT THEY ARE IN AN ERROR
      It really does not say the same thing. Let's look good.
      According to these ancient Watchtowers, what is called FRUIT? TO THE RESULTS, to the disciples. Therefore, the slave used to say that we should not worry if we do not get much fruit in the form of disciples.
      But now, the new understanding, makes us see that the FRUIT IS THE OWN PREACHING and that the seed that we sow, does not produce fruits, but more seeds.
      This understanding is more adjusted to Jehovah's way of thinking, where endurance applies more to the fruit of PREACHING, and is what our Father rewards.
    • By Jack Ryan
      The Bible clearly shows where it is written that he himself says he does not. Only the Father knows.
    • By Jack Ryan
      Watchtower, Study Edition, March 15th, 2015
      Loyally Supporting Christ’s Brothers
      Link: https://wol.jw.borg/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2015207
      This article is a doozy. It has many points of interest that carefully play on words, and emotionally manipulate the reader. It really is something.
      Pay special attention to paragraphs 6, 7, 9, 10, 17, and 18.
      These paragraphs clearly highlight anyone who is not an active JW will be judged a goat and be killed. Also, spectacularly, those paragraphs point that if you want to be judged a sheep, meaning to not be killed by God imminently, you need to a)recognize the divine authority of the Governing Body, b) obey the organization unquestioningly, c) preach to recruit new members, and d) give financially to the organization.
      This article sealed the deal for me. I'm sorry but only a cult would wield the fear of divine destruction to demand divinity status, loyalty, obedience, and money.
      Some more source material:
      Gods Kingdom Rules!
      Chapter 21, Paragraph 17
      Link: https://wol.jw.borg/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102014263#h=25
      Here we are told that the goats, who are comprised of everyone from kings to slaves, will be sent to everlasting cutting off.
      This material is great for discussing how a God of Love could murder billions:
      Watchtower, December 1st, 2005
      Armageddon - A Happy Beginning
      Link: https://wol.jw.borg/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2005881?q=armageddon&p=par
      This wonderful article is a real gem. It compares the murder of billions of human beings, including children, to a home owner exterminating pests. I kid you not. They use the word pest when describing the destruction of people. Real people.
    • By Jesus.defender
      Since the Organization has received "new light" regarding the 1914 generation, and completely changed their view on this, does this mean that all the former Jehovah's witnesses who were disfellowshipped years ago for the same view the organization is now teaching will automatically be accepted into fellowship again? Were these Ex-Jw's in fact disfellowshipped for truth and knew things that the governing body did not?
       
    • By Jesus.defender
      Past tense since the watchtower predicted armageddon so many times?
       
      1877 'The End Of This World; that is the end of the gospel and the beginning of the millennial age is nearer than most men suppose; indeed we have already entered the transition period, which is to be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation Dan. 12:3." (N.H. Barbour and C.T. Russell, Three Worlds, and the Harvest of This World, p. 17).
       
      1888 "In this chapter we present the Bible evidence proving that the full end of the times of the gentiles, i.e., the full end of their lease of dominion, will be reached in A.D. 1914; and that the date will be the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men. And be it observed, that if this is shown to be a fact firmly established by the Scriptures, it will prove; Firstly, that at that date the Kingdom of God, for which our Lord taught us to pray, saying, Thy Kingdom come, will obtain full, universal control, and that it will then be set up, or firmly established, in the earth, on the ruins of present institutions." (The Time Is At Hand, 1888, p. 76, 77)
       
      1889 "Be not surprised, then, when in subsequent chapters we present proofs that the setting up of the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878, and that the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:14) which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced. The gathering of the armies is plainly visible from the standpoint of God's word." (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, The Time Is At Hand, 1889 Ed., p. 101. The 1915 Edition of this texts changed "A.D. 1914" to read 'A.D. 1915')
       
      1894 "Seventeen years ago people said, concerning the time features presented in Millennial Dawn, They seem reasonable in many respects, but surely no such radical changes could occur between now and the close of 1914: if you had proved that they would come about in a century or two, it would seem much more probable. What changes have since occurred, and what velocity is gained daily? 'The old is quickly passing and the new is coming in.' Now, in view of recent labor troubles and threatened anarchy, our readers are writing to know if there may not be a mistake in the 1914 date. They say that they do not see how present conditions can hold out so long under the strain. We see no reason for changing the figures-nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble." (Zion's Watchtower, Can It Be Delayed until 1914? C. T. Russell July 15, 1894, Also in Watchtower Reprints, l894 p. 1677)
       
      1894 "A few more years will wind up the present order of things, and then the chastened world will stand face to face with the actual conditions of the established Kingdom of God. And yet the course of the Church is to be finished within the space of time that intervenes." (Watchtower p. 56, 1894)
       
      1894 "We see no reason for changing the figures - nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble." (Watchtower July 15, 1894, p 266; p 1677 reprints)
       
      1917 'There will be no slip-up...Abraham should enter upon the actual possession of his promised inheritance in the year 1925' (Watchtower Oct. 15, 1917, p. 6157)
       
      1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection." (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89)

      1920 '...we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected' (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 1920, p. 88)

      1920 '...we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected' (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 1920, p. 88)
       
      1966 "According to this trustworthy Bible chronology six thousand years from man's creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E Six thousand years of man's existence on earth will soon be up, yea within this generation. The rein of Christ...to run parallel with the 7th millennium ..." (Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God, 1966, p. 29-30)
       
      1966 "Discussion of 1975 overshadowed about everything else. 'The new book compels us to realise that Armageddon is, in fact, very close indeed,' said a conventioneer." (Watchtower 15/10/1966, p 629)
       
      1968 "Why Are You Looking Forward To 1975?" … "What about all this talk concerning the year 1975? Lively discussions, some based on speculation, have burst into flame during recent months among serious students of the Bible. Their interest has been kindled by the belief that 1975 will mark the end of 6,000 years of human history since Adam's creation. The nearness of such an important date indeed fires the imagination and presents unlimited possibilities for discussion." (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1968, p. 494)
    • By Israeli Bar Avaddhon
      The 19th and 20th chapters of Revelation will reveal some significant details about the war of Armageddon, and what will happen next.
      These details will include two major changes to the current understanding and, just as happened with the identity of Babylon the Great, this "vision of change" will be a real stumbling block for many Jehovah's Witnesses.
      These chapters will be discussed in the next article, but, facing such a serious change of intent for two more subjects, it was decided to treat them separately in the light of all Scripture. First, we must realize that Revelation speaks of the resurrection at the end of the millennium, and not during the millennium . This will be discussed in detail in due course. For the moment ... you accept this opportunity just to make understandable the theme of this article is to answer the question, exactly, "what countries actually disappear at Armageddon?". It is clear that here we return to the usual "problem" if the book was written in chronological order or not but in the meantime we have seen that the 7 seals are sequential, the 7 trumpets must be sequential (the apostle Paul calls the seventh trumpet the "last trumpet ") and so are the seven bowls of the wrath of God. If all this is sequential ... it is consistent to think that just the last chapters they are not? Let's try to read the whole chapter 20 of Revelation and follow the order of events. Satan is loosed out of his prison, so misleads the nations which are in the corners of the earth, these surround the camp of the saints and then are killed by fire coming down from heaven. After this event, the death and hades return the dead that are in them - Revelation 20: 11-13 The writing of Revelation 20: 4 it says that the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were finished. " As long as" means "up to the moment when" and not "during" and this would appear to suggest that these thousand years the elect would reign on the survivors of Armageddon and their families but not on any resurrected. The same term, "long" used in Matthew 1:25, we always used to prove that Joseph had no intercourse with his wife Maria until the baby is born .  This should be enough to prove that the resurrection will occur after the end of the millennium , a concept that seems to be repeated in verses 12 and 13. These verses will deepen better but now let's focus on these "rebels" who attack God's people. Who are they and where did they come?   7  Now as soon as they finished the thousand years, Satan will be loosed out of his prison, 8  and will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them to the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea. 9  And they advanced over the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10  And the Devil who misled them was hurled into the lake of fire and brimstone, where [had already] the wild beast and the false prophet; They will be tormented day and night forever and ever (Revelation 20: 7-10)   At the end of the thousand years Satan is loosed for "mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth" and gather them for war. It seems incredible that such a thing to happen! It is possible that in the new world people still organize into political nations, that create divisions and even attack the part of that remained faithful people? This is the first case and is roughly the current understanding. Before you think this is nonsense ... it is possible that during the war of Armageddon be spared some of the land also to allow the survival of the people of God? In most parts of the Bible we are told that during the time of judgment his faithful people survives by finding shelter to Edom, Moab and Ammon (which by the way are also the city spared from last World War described in the scripture) - Compare, for example, with Daniel 11:41 Isaiah 16: 4; Psalm 108: 8-10 with Jeremiah 40: 10, 11 These three nations (Edom, Moab and Ammon) were mountainous / hilly and this recalls the words Jesus said to his disciples - Matthew 24: 15, 16 Perhaps the Scripture warns all Christians around the world to flee to the nearest mountains just see the disgusting thing about Israel? In fact, if the destruction of Babylon the Great start should at Armageddon (as we saw) and not the great tribulation, "fleeing to the mountains" mean that Jehovah saves, inevitably, these mountains. In fact, these "mountains" might be a specific location on earth where Jehovah will lead his people just before Armageddon. This or these locations would then be "preserved from judgment." It would not be the first time that Jehovah, in His love and in His mercy, avoid destroy a people on account of his servants. According to the story of Genesis 19:21, 22, the angels of Jehovah avoid destroying Zoar for consideration for Lot yet, from what we understand by reading the whole story, the "small town" was part of Sodom and Gomorrah and had to be destroyed. The war of Armageddon in effect destroys the satanic system composed of the wild beast, the false prophet and his supporters. They fall also all those nations that are compact in the fight against the Lamb. The vast majority of people die in this war because it blinded and marked by the wild beast will die, but those who are not Christians? To the congregation in Philadelphia are told that " would have kept the evidence that has come upon the whole inhabited earth" and for this to happen it is at least conceivable that some Christians find shelter in a "free zone" - Revelation 3:10 If we assume this, then the nations that the end of the millennium they decide to attack the people of God, may arise from these strains survived. Why, in fact, it would make a distinction between them and "the camp of the saints"? There are saints all the inhabitants of the New World? In the new world there will be a "camp of the saints" and a "camp of the saints do not"? Another confirmation could come from the same protection of the Jerusalem above; it is said that "flights in the desert" away from the face of the serpent. When Satan tries to drown her "the land comes to your aid" and this means that at least until the last moment of divine judgment there is still a "stable" part of the world - Revelation 24:15 This could also explain why the resurrection takes place during this millennium; simply because it is still in this new world that we imagine even if it will be a new world, and you will already have many reasons to be happy . Perhaps we should make a distinction between "millennial reign" (which will bring to humanity so many faithful blessings) and "New World" which will begin after the resurrection, when Christ will return the kingdom to his God and Father. This period could simply be a transition period during which human beings can live in peace without the influence of Satan and under the divine teaching guide for those who wish to obey. In fact one of the issues that Satan raised in the garden of Eden, it was if the man was able to govern themselves but the man, with the interference of Satan, you never really ruled alone.   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. He can man to direct his steps without God and not Satan? Even this must be answered This is linked to the words of Revelation 20: 3; Satan is bound " lest mislead the nations" and that it is necessary to give definitively answer to the issue raised in Eden. However, if all nations were destroyed at Armageddon ... how could he mislead? It would make sense to say that Satan is not tied so misleads the nations that no longer exist? Any nations in the four ends of the earth, born from this strain spared, could prove whether the man is really able to govern themselves under favorable conditions, ie without the influence of Satan. After this human rebellion, which they will have demonstrated consciously prefer the government of Satan unto Jehovah, that Satan is disobedient humanity will be deleted forever. Only after the resurrection of the dead and after their judgment "death and Hades will be cast into the lake of fire" and therefore we should assume that, during the whole millennium, despite favorable conditions, we will continue to age and die? It is unthinkable that the anointed rulers will comply to their priestly functions atoning for the sin of humanity and thus preventing the death of their subjects. Death, however, is still there and still not finally extinguished until the end of the millennium. It will be "the last enemy" to be eliminated in fact, if at the end of the millennium there will still be "enemies to be eliminated" (the nations surrounding the graveyard), this should show that the resurrection, and then the final elimination of death, will occur only after that incident - I Corinthians 15:26 In this regard the writing of I Corinthians 15:24, 25, if read carefully, it seems to specify the order of events, and that is Jesus Christ hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing "all government and all authority and power".   Obviously if all government and all authority and power were reduced to nothing during the war of Armageddon, He (Jesus Christ) should hand in their government at that time and that just took over. Let us read these six lines and try to understand its meaning even if "this way" collides blatantly against our most deeply held convictions. Verse 25 says ... " For he must reign until [God] has not put all his enemies under his feet." This would seem to mean that during the millennial reign there will still be enemies. Thus the Kingdom under Christ will be a temporary measure to Jehovah's praise to restore humanity in perfect condition and this may also include the destruction of the last government, authority and power, which until the end will refuse to submit - Revelation 20: 8   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Who is to surround the "Saints' Camp" ?
       
      In Ezekiel chapter 38 verses ranging from 8 onwards, it says that you will pay attention to Gog Magog after "many days" and then suggests that they had been left out that is not taken into account or saved during the trial. It seems a contradiction that Gog of Magog exists at the end of satanic system of things and there again in the New World at the end of the millennium ? It makes you think that this "coalition of nations" always has the same name and in fact, in the description of Ezekiel, the subject does not change at all? If Gog of Magog is a coalition of nations, it does not seem strange that nations exist under the reign of Christ? It 'a contradiction only if we take for granted that are destroyed at Armageddon really destroyed all governments and all people. Evidently Gog of Magog  does not exist "again" but he exists "still" (that has never ceased to exist). If you pay attention to him after many days it means that they are always and "many days" are all the years of the millennial kingdom. Gog of Magog always has the same name because it is always the same subject. The people who "accumulates wealth and property" is of course the people of God (the "camp of the saints" according to Revelation) and this indicates the many blessings will God's people during the millennial reign and for contrast with other peoples (why specified that there is a people who accumulate wealth if all accumulate the same wealth?). Blessings that, evidently, will not Gog of Magog otherwise there would be this contrast and there would be no reason to feel envious - Ezekiel 38:12; compares Proverbs 10:22 Why, moreover, there would be this contrast with those who "do not even bar and doors" we are all in a new world of peace, no thieves or other criminals? - Ezekiel 38:11 If you simply read it for what it is, writing really seems to indicate that, during the millennial reign of Christ , there are still people who have bars and doors and they are, obviously, those who have never been interested in the will of God that they must put " bars and doors "and pay attention to their own brothers. The events related to Gog of Magog, described in chapters 38 and 39 of Ezekiel , they are full of interesting details, but one of the things that stands out to the eye is the distinction that exists between them and Israel. It seems, then, that Israel, or the holy people of God, will coexist for a thousand years with these other peoples - Ezekiel 39: 6, 7 At this point the writing of Isaiah 2: 2-4 acquires special significance. So far we have applied this scripture to the people who, accepting the truth today , change behavior and "make their swords plowshares" becoming peaceful people. We also applied to education that will give resurrected in the New World, but let us now reread accepting the possibility of what we have just described.   Isaiah 2: 2-4: " And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and it must stream all nations. 3  And many peoples will certainly go and say, "Come, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths. " For out of Zion shall go forth [the] law, and Jehovah's word from Jerusalem. 4 And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have their swords plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war any more. "   The mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established and raised. When? Evidently, when the system of Satan is eliminated and it will be clear that the way to govern Jehovah is the best ever. " For it must stream all the nations," in what sense and what nations? To the People of God are actually many nations flocked to recognizing that the performance could have to do with our days ; However it is possible that, at the end of Armageddon, people of the nations who escaped from the judgment of God (the nations at the four corners of the earth) decide to flow to the mountain of Jehovah . After the incredible events of Armageddon, now it should be clear who is the True God and what His people! Even so, Jehovah is sanctified among the nations. Many people flock and say, "Come, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths "then describes how their initiative and not as someone who has been persuaded through the preaching of the good news. Indeed, they themselves say, " he will instruct us about his ways." We can imagine that many survivors will stream to Jehovah once seen the great signs of Armageddon, abandoning their old nation and making the necessary changes to be accepted by God - Compare Revelation 11:13 and Joshua 9: 8-11 However it is quite easy to imagine that, despite these unmistakable signs of Jehovah's blessing on His people, not everyone will decide to join. So many people continue to stay in their countries, with their governments, refusing to rush to the mountain of Jehovah. Seen in this light, it is not so amazing to imagine that, at the end of the millennium, when the people of God will have accumulated wealth and blessings to no end, these nations organize themselves to "take many spoils" - Ezekiel 38: 10-12 Even the writing of Daniel 2:44 should give pause. The scripture says, " And the days of those kings the God of heaven set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not go to any other people. It will crush all these kingdoms and put an end, and it itself will stand to times indefinite " . Of such realms he is talking about Daniel? If we read the preceding verses we understand that you are talking of the kingdoms that make up the image of a man with the head of gold, chest and arms of silver, belly and thighs of copper, legs of iron and feet of iron and clay . We know very well that these kingdoms are respectively Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and according to the current understanding, the Anglo-American empire (but, as we saw in a previous article, the last ruling king must be the king of the north). The same powers, always in the book of Daniel, are described as the lion with the wings of an eagle (ie Babylon described in Daniel 7: 4), the hungry bear with three ribs between the teeth (Media- Persia described in Daniel 7: 5), the leopard with four heads and four wings (the Macedonian or Greek empire described in Daniel 7: 6) and the dreadful and terrible beast with iron teeth and ten horns (Rome and then the last power described in Daniel 7: 7, 8, 19). Because the same realms or domains are viewed in two different ways? This is interesting because the beast that John sees "ascend from the sea" has characteristics of all these beasts - Revelation 13: 1, 2 It is, in fact, like a leopard, has the feet of a bear, the mouth of the lion and the ten horns last seen beast of Daniel. These are the kings that are destroyed by Jesus Christ and his chosen ones at Armageddon, ie the kingdoms that join together in the final battle. It includes course his image (the UN) and the false prophet - Revelation 19:19, 20 It includes all those who have participated in the war, directly or indirectly, and all those who have persecuted or wronged the people of God - Revelation 19:21; Zechariah 2: 8 Surely most of humanity will be killed in this war because the ruler of the world will make sure to have people as possible from her, but this will mean that they will be destroyed all the kingdoms and all the people except the Christians? Even those petty kingdoms, small? Even those isolated from the rest of the world, such as islands or small ethnic groups, including those people who, living in restrictive countries towards religion and other religions, they never had the opportunity to know the wonderful truth of God's word? - See Ezekiel 39: 6 These are questions to ponder. It 'true that the "good news" was preached in all the inhabited earth before the end of satanic system ... but this one has really understood all the people and all they really had the same opportunities? Beyond all human cases the words that should make us think more are those given in Daniel 7:11, 12. The scripture says ... "I beheld then because of the sound of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld till the beast was slain and his body was destroyed and it was given to the burning fire. 12  But as for the rest of the beasts, their domains were removed, and was granted a prolongation of life for a time and a season. "   What does this mean and how long "a time and a season"? Meanwhile the context we see that horn that speaketh great things is referred to the "dreadful and terrible beast," that is, the last beast of Daniel's vision. We talk about the period in which "are places of thrones" and "the Ancient of days" sits to judge and therefore can only refer to the time when Jehovah and Christ took power - Revelation 11: 15-18 It is said that the beast is killed and his body is given to the burning fire - Compare Revelation 19:19, 20 It's clear that the writing is referring to the wild beast of Revelation at the time of his judgment yet, after specifying that the beast is given to the burning fire (that was destroyed), verse 12 says ... " But as for the rest of the beasts, their domains were removed, and was granted a prolongation of life for a time and a season " . This specifies very clearly that the other domains are not destroyed but it allows them to continue to exist for some time after the judgment of Armageddon . Let's stop for a moment and re-read carefully these last four lines comparing the cited scriptures. In fact if we carefully read Revelation 19: 19-21 we see that the wild beast, the kings of the earth and their armies gather to make war against Jesus Christ and his army is destroyed but who among all these? The scripture says that is taken the wild beast and the false prophet and cast into the lake of fire. Then, verse 21 says "the rest were killed with the long sword of him that sat on the horse, which [] sword came from his mouth." The remaining whom? The involved subjects are two: the kings of the earth and their armies . Saying "the remaining" the vision refers to kings, their armies or both? If he was referring to both the writing of Daniel specifies that the domains of these kings are simply removed , not destroyed. Surely those who die are in that position (armies, any general or king) in fact, the scripture says that "being killed" but they do not say which end up in the lake of fire. We know that the lake of fire means the second death, and that is a place where you do not back then we have the assurance that the wild beast is destroyed, never to return but the "other" are not uprooted from the earth. Not yet. They killed those who at this moment are making war with the Lamb, but apparently will remain something of their reigns, that the nations belonging to these "remaining" to which an extension for a time and a season was granted. These will have a thousand years of time to recover and at least part of them, fairly numerous in the words of Revelation 20: 8, will attack God's people at the end of the millennium. Gog of Magog existed before Armageddon and will exist after. Finally, as we have seen, after the destruction of these enemies there is still a "last enemy" to be eliminated: the death - See I Corinthians 15:26 This confirms the sequence of events of Revelation
    • By Israeli Bar Avaddhon
      In our path of study of the prophecies, as already seen in various previous articles, we will have come across something that we would not have believed possible. The understanding of Babylon the Great, as well as that concerning Armageddon, the Jerusalem above or the Heavenly Jerusalem, have indeed constituted great changes in the official understanding of Jehovah's Witnesses. We can not ignore the chain effects that these "changes of vision" have produced and continue to produce on many other more or less important doctrines. The author of this blog would like above all to clarify that all the theses presented so far have never been considered inspired or infallible and therefore each reader is invited to make their own evaluations (and maybe to contribute) by comparing and meditating on the Scriptures without any injury. At the same time, however, the author is equally convinced that the articles showed respect for the Bible and used it as a guide and supreme authority. Every affirmation, whenever it was possible, was accompanied or confirmed by one or more Scriptures and therefore, although certain arguments went against the official teaching, it was decided to do so in good conscience. The possible firm conviction of the author as well as certain categorical expressions used are exclusively due to this: the support of the Scriptures - John 17:17; 2 Timothy 3:16, 17; 2 Corinthians 10: 4, 5 The article that will be developed now, will also consist of a significant change of vision and we will see how, changing the conditions, real or possible scenarios become real that, until the day before yesterday, we would have considered really far-fetched - Job 42 :2; Mark 10:27 The wisest thing that each of us can do is to evaluate that every thesis presented is really in harmony with the Scripture, and nothing else, without closing up in shell or reshaping the power of God to what we think possible - Mark 12:24 ; Job 38: 4 Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. What do we know, with certainty, of the battle of Armageddon?     What do we know about the Armageddon war? Speaking of the war of the great day of the Almighty God, what do we know for sure? - 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Well, we know that it is not total destruction due to a human war, a solar flare, a meteorite or other Hollywood nonsense - Isaiah 45:18; Psalm 78:69; Ecclesiastes 1: 4 We know it is the crucial war in which God takes revenge on his enemies and on the enemies of His people - Psalm 2: 3-6; Sofonia 1:18; Zechariah 2: 8 We also know that it is the occasion when Jehovah is magnified and makes himself known to the nations - Ezekiel 36:22, 23 It is the war that will free His people from oppression and slavery and will finally begin the Millennial Kingdom - Exodus 15: 11-13; Revelation 7:10 These are reliable informations. For the rest, when it will happen, what means it will use, which scenario will present itself just before the outbreak of this war, etc., only assumptions are made. One of these assumptions, which seems to have a strict logic, is that the place in Hebrew is called Har-Maghedon, is not a literal place but a situation. In practice it would be the situation in which all the enemies of God find themselves fighting against His People, wherever they are. This conclusion seems absolutely logical because how could a war of such proportions, which should encompass all of humanity and therefore billions of people, take place in such a small geographical area? It is absurd to even think about it. However, before closing our faculties of perception on any contrary subject we try to consider the following - James 1:19 First of all we have seen that the war between the king of the north and the king of the south, which is a prophecy to come, could greatly reduce the number of people present on earth including their armies - compare Revelation 6: 3, 7, 8 It's a raw topic we would not like to talk about but the prophecies seem clear. This topic has been dealt with in various previous articles, including the one entitled "Who is the horn that became very great?". Furthermore, as we saw in the article titled "Which nations disappear in Armageddon?" We know that the war of Armageddon will not destroy all nations and people on the planet. This war will indeed destroy the satanic system which includes the savage beast, the kings of the earth and their armies - 1 John 3: 8 Seen from this point of view, perhaps the fact that this war can be fought in a specific and relatively restricted place becomes a possibility? Furthermore it is necessary to make a couple of clarifications. Har-Magedon, which means "Mountain of Megiddo", is not a specific reference to that "tell" that you see in Volume 1 of the book "Insight" (page 953 in the edition in Italian). What you see in photography is what remains of ancient Megiddo, a small hill built on 26 layers of ruins of ancient cities. That is "Megiddo" but where's the mountain? Since there is no mountain called "Mount of Megiddo" we try to make assumptions without prematurely concluding that the whole argument is symbolic. Megiddo is located at the entrance of the pass through the chain of Mount Carmel, which overlooks the valley of Esdraelon from the south-west. So the Mount of Megiddo might be Mount Carmel (compare 1 Kings 18:19, 20, Jeremiah 46:18, Amos 1: 2; 9: 3; Naum 1: 3, 4) and could include all the hilly countryside that surrounds the valley of Megiddo, one hundred kilometers north of Jerusalem, including the valley of Esdraelon. Space is noticeable, but before assuming any calculation, we try to ask ourselves according to what logic or why the kings of the earth should / could be there. To a superficial judgment it would seem a stupid thing. The kings of the earth and their armies will not be able to fight against Christ and his elect (though they will try to - compare Revelation 19:19, 20) and so it is evident that they will take it upon His people. Why, then, to concentrate in one area of the earth (whatever it is) to try to destroy the people of God if it is found in all the inhabited earth? Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. we have seen that the earth chosen by God for His people is still the Promised Land and the gathering of Israel will be literal.
      The article in part said, "When nations have run out of time, including both the trampling of Jerusalem and the persecution, Armageddon will begin to destroy this beast and all the compact peoples in the fight against the Lamb. At that moment Jerusalem will have been freed and the people of God, after the necessary period spent in the "inner rooms", will be able to go to that country which is still part of the promise and where in a short time it will begin to flow milk and honey - Isaiah 26: 20 " What have we seen so far? We have seen that Babylon the Great is modern apostate Israel but this has to do with the people who occupy it, certainly not with the geographical area which, in itself, can not have merit or guilt - Zechariah 5: 6-8 So, once Israel is liberated from Babylon the Great, Jehovah will bring His people back to that land that bears His name and will be inhabited from generation to generation - Joel 3:20 The crucial question is therefore: will this rallying and consequent exodus to the Promised Land begin after Armageddon or its approach? Some scriptures suggest that this happens just before the final battle. How can we say it? We have seen that during the last war between the king of the north and the king of the south, some nations are able to escape - see Daniel 11:41 The writing mentions Edom, Moab and Ammon and, coincidentally, these are the same nations in which a part of the people of Israel found shelter in the past - compare Psalm 60: 8, 9; Isaiah 16: 4; Jeremiah 40:11 The logical conclusion is that the people of God who survived the war, since they will have to live again Israel now liberated by the Great Whore, are in the vicinity of the Promised Land at least some time before the final battle. This situation would also be similar to what happened in the past but on a much larger scale. If the meeting takes place before Armageddon, then it becomes logical and plausible that the "kings of the earth" will gather in the place that in Hebrew is called Har-Maghedon. This is done to prevent the achievement of the Promised Land (and kill them all at once - compares Psalm 2: 1-6) or simply to kill them once they reach. This hypothesis makes reasonable not only the literal gathering of kings and armies but also the specific place of the gathering. Let's try, for a moment, to read Revelation as if it were the first time and as if they had not taught us anything. The writing says “And I saw three unclean inspired expressions Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. that looked like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and they perform signs, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. and they go out to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. of the great day of God the Almighty ( ... ) And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Armageddon" – Revelation 16:13, 14, 16 Without doing any disquisition on what terms and what it means, the first image that would come to mind are the kings who are gathered together somewhere, is not it? In fact, the writing says that these frogs "gathered them", which makes one think that these kings are heading towards a specific place. After all we have never done any disquisitions on the idea that these frogs actually go to the kings of the earth; we have never hypothesized that their "going to" the kings of the earth was symbolic because it is evident that, if these kings live in different and distant nations, these frogs have to go or go towards them. But we have re-discussed that the kings go somewhere. So frogs go literally (they must reach these kings) while kings go in a symbolic sense. That is, they do not go anywhere. The question that would be spontaneous to those who did not know anything about the issues at stake would be ... "Why do the kings of the earth, at the approach of the war, go to the place called Har-Maghedon (whatever place it is)?" In a war scenario, the answer would become simple: because the object of contention is in that area or near that area. Any nation that would place its army on the borders of another nation would send a strong and clear message. He is preparing for the war. In this case, however, the question does not concern the conquest of the territory of Israel but the extermination of the people who intend to live there - Psalm 2: 1-4 Finally we must distinguish the kings of the earth from their armies. The writing of Revelation says that only the kings of the earth are gathered at Har-Maghedon. How many will be the kings of the earth, following their ministers, their officials in various capacities, their bodyguards, etc? A few thousand? A few tens of thousands? Is the entire hilly area of Carmel and the valley of Esdraelon it’s sufficient to accommodate a few tens of thousands of people? Obviously yes, even only the Carmel. Where will the armies be and for which aircraft will they be extended? We do not have a precise answer but we can make some reasoning based on what we know from the scriptures. The simple distinction, which perhaps few have noticed, between the kings of the earth and their armies, should make every hypothesis fall "of the impossibility of the event" because if the Bible does not specify the area of armies extension they could really be hundreds of millions and even billions of people. The final battle would take place "around the Mount of Megiddo" for an indefinite area (why could not they cover all of Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Egypt, Syria and Iraq for example?) God's people would still be surrounded, the writing would not it would fail and Jehovah would rise above the nations. So, regardless of all the reasoning we have just made, if the Bible does not specify the extent of the armies deployed against the people of God, all the discourse on the secure symbolic nature of writing lapses or at least is not as reasonable as it initially seemed. We will try however to "build" the extension of this army only on the basis of what we know and keeping as close as possible so that all the talk will acquire heaviness and it is really the Bible to speak - Romans 3: 4 Regarding the last dominant king described in Daniel chapters 11 and 12 we know that he will place his tents "between the great sea and the holy Mount of the Adornment" - Daniel 11:45 After this event "he will have to come to his end, and there will not be a rescuer for him" and then it is understood that "pitching the tents" is the last action he performs before his final destruction. We have also seen that the destruction of Babylon the Great (or the nation of Israel) is the prelude to Armageddon and not to the great tribulation. As a result, the army of the last ruling king should already be present on the territory of Israel before the final battle * (see footnote). He simply has to wait for all the others to come (it is to be noted, in fact, that the writing which calls for the gathering of the kings of the earth at Har-Maghedon makes no mention of the wild beast. He is not mentioned because he is among the kings or simply because it is already there?). However, for the moment we do not know whether this immense army will stand as a shield to prevent Israel from entering or whether it will wait for "the people gathered from all the earth" to actually enter the country and then surround it - see for example Joel 3: 9- 12; Nehemiah 6:16; Psalm 44:13; 59: 5, 6; 76:11, 12; 97: 1-3; Jeremiah 1: 14-16; 6:25; 25: 9; Lamentations 1:17 For the moment we can imagine both situations since concepts do not change. So, to obstruct any access to the coming people, the armies will have to cover Israel at least for its entire length. Does this seem reasonable to you? So we have to hypothesize an extension that goes from the Great Sea (the Mediterranean) to the Mount of the Adornment west of Israel and an extension at least similar to the east side of Israel (in terms of width). So a length at least equal to that of Israel if not more. What area are we talking about? We can only make an estimate but a territory equal to twice the current Israel should cover an area of 45 / 50,000 square kilometers. With this in mind, let us now assume how powerful this army could be. A site makes a list of the ten most numerous armies (updated to 2015). This is the list with the respective numbers.   CHINA (number of staff: 2.285.000). UNITED STATES (1.458.000). INDIA (1.325.000) NORTH KOREA (1.106.000) RUSSIA (1.027.000) TURKEY (666,500) SOUTH KOREA (639,000). PAKISTAN (617,000) IRAN (523,000). EGYPT (468,000)   The total number of staff would be just over ten million people. We also consider that, as we saw at the beginning, the war between the kings of the north and the king of the south by then will have greatly reduced the numbers and at least a part of the nations listed above may not exist anymore. For the benefit of the numbers, however, it must be said that in case of conflict the "effective" would not be the only ones to go to war. The numbers could be greatly underestimated (it is doubtful, in fact, that the official numbers correspond to the real ones). Finally we must consider that this is the last move of Satan before being thrown into the abyss for a thousand years so he would have every interest in making the armies as numerous as possible. So we multiply by five these numbers and assume that the final attack includes 50 million armed soldiers to the teeth. The area we estimated could contain fifty million people? Yes and fairly well if we consider that these people are not there to live or stay but simply as soldiers waiting to launch a furious attack. Every soldier would have a living space of about one square meter. Do you remember the photographs in which Hitler had his huge troops? In those large gatherings there were probably three or four people every square meter. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.   In Hitler's huge gatherings there were probably 3 or 4 people per square meter   It is evident that we are making assumptions and the estimates, both of the army and of the militarized area, could vary a lot, but the point we want to illustrate is simply one. Despite the ideas that we made about the war of Har-Magedon, and how they are rooted in us, we can not exclude that the final battle takes place in this geographical area and that it will prove to be the biggest fight in the history of humanity. Indeed, the scriptures mentioned in support of the argument suggest that this is not simply a possibility. Any new understanding, however, can make other scriptures harmonious or create forcing. Forcing should be an indicator that "something is wrong". What happens with the other scriptures, understanding that the place of the final battle will be a specific and relatively restricted place? Meanwhile, as we have mentioned, this situation would be very similar to several biblical episodes we know - see for example Exodus 14: 10-14; 2 Kings 18: 19-25 Jehovah would be exalted in the midst of the nations precisely because, not being really all destroyed, the distant peoples and nations would speak of this event with terror and for centuries - compare Joshua 2: 9-11; Deuteronomy 2:25; Psalm 112: 10 Isaiah 63: 1-6 describes Jehovah coming from Edom who, as we have seen, is one of the places where God's people find refuge, and from there he begins to "tread peoples into His wrath." Psalm 2: 2 describes all the peoples and national groups united "as one man" and this gives the idea that the rulers of the earth, and therefore their armies, are effectively gathered somewhere as one army, a single mass and compact. Finally (but not "finally" because you will find many other similarities if you want to look for them) suddenly becomes clear why the king of the north is troubled because of news from the east and the north - see Daniel 11:44 So far what have we been told? In other words ... we have been told that we do not know. In the book "Pay attention to the prophecies of Daniel" on page 283 (Italian edition) we speak of Gog of Magog (among other things in the understanding that it is Satan the Devil) and paragraph 26 concludes with the words "But what at the end they will contain the news from the east and from the north only God will establish it and time will tell it ". Instead, understanding the scenario that will be created shortly before the final battle we can guess why this king is so upset. He sees the people of God, who evidently believed he had eliminated, gathered and on their way to the Promised Land! Depict the scene. It is easy to imagine that he understands that there is God, the True God and not the farce built by the false prophet behind all this. Despite his immense power and his fury, he has not succeeded in eliminating the people of God who are now reaching the Promised Land in fulfillment of Bible prophecy. It is not surprising that this causes great anger in him and comes out "with great fury to annihilate and to vote many to destruction", or the people of God gathered there - Daniel 11:43 And this explains why he "will pitch the tents of his palace between [the] great sea and the holy mount of the Adornment". Let's take a moment to imagine the scene and see us there, intent on reaching the promised land as the Israelites were in the time of Moses. Perhaps we may find ourselves imprisoned between the Great Sea and the army or we may be a few kilometers from the border and see "men of extraordinary stature" - Numbers 13:33 Perhaps some of us, seeing such a colossal army, might doubt Jehovah's power or his will to protect us - Isaiah 43:10, 11 Try to imagine how many situations described in the Bible would become the mirror of those last moments of the system of things. It is not difficult to see the harmony of the Word of God and to understand what will happen if we free ourselves from our conditioning and do not associate the word "impossible" with God. Is not it a wonderful prospect? One day, towards the end of the terrifying events that will occur on earth, someone will call us to lead us to the Promised Land, but the journey will be reserved only for those who will understand the prophecy and act accordingly. Next stop: Israel. Take the ticket. Make reservations now. The forecasts say that the area will be quite crowded.     Footnote. The article entitled "1290 and 1335 days" shows a difference of 45 days between trampling on God's people and achieving his "happiness" - see Daniel 12:12 These 45 days could include the time of the gathering of the people of God and the consequent exodus that will lead them to cross the boundaries of the Promised Land.   It is necessary to specify that even if the lowering of the waters of the Euphrates has to do with the destruction of these peoples and not simply with the loss of the defenses, this could refer to the peoples that surround Israel and not with Israel - compare Joel 3 : 4 This could mean that the payment of the sixth cup of the angel is not yet the actual destruction of Babylon the Great and therefore the people of Israel might still be alive and active when God's people approach it to "repopulate". As strange as this may seem, this seems to be in harmony with Revelation 16:19 which says that God would have remembered Babylon "to give it the cup of wine of the fury of his wrath" and by reading the context this happens during or near of the judgment of armageddon - compare Revelation 16:13 Other Bibles translate in a similar way and therefore it would seem evident that when nations gather in Armageddon, God still has to pour his wrath upon Babylon the Great. If this understanding is correct, when the king of the north "will come out with great fury to annihilate and vote many to destruction" it is possible that in his blinding fury he will strike first the nation that had always been their lover - compare Revelation 18 : 10, 15, 18 (see also Zechariah 14:13, 14) And obviously this will happen by God's will - Revelation 17:17 This possibility makes very probable the situation in which the people of God are effectively blocked between Israel (still populated) and all the armies of the world.  
    • By Israeli Bar Avaddhon
      Chapters 19 and 20 of Revelation will unveil some significant details about the war of Armageddon and what will happen next. These details will include two major changes to the current understanding and, just as happened with the identity of Babylon the Great, this "change of vision" will be a real stumbling block for many Jehovah's Witnesses. These chapters will be examined in the next article but, faced with such a serious change of understanding for two other subjects, it was decided to treat them separately in the light of the whole Scripture. First of all we must realize that the Revelation speaks of the resurrection at the end of the millennium, and not during the millennium. This will be dealt with in detail in due course. For the moment ... accept this possibility only to make the theme of this article comprehensible, which must answer the question, in fact, "which nations disappear in Armageddon?". It is clear that here we return to the usual "problem" if the book was written in chronological order or not but meanwhile we saw that the 7 seals are sequential, the 7 trumpets must be sequential (the apostle Paul calls the seventh trumpet "the last trumpet") and so also the seven cups of the wrath of God. If all this is sequential ... is it consistent to think that just the last chapters are not? Let's try to read the whole chapter 20 of Revelation and follow the order of events. Satan is dissolved from his prison, then misleads the nations that are at the corners of the earth, these surround the field of saints and then are killed by fire coming down from the sky. After this event, the death and hades return the dead that are in them - Revelation 20: 11-13 The writing of Revelation 20: 4 says that the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were over. "Until" means "up to the moment" and not "during" and this would mean that in these thousand years the elect would rule on the survivors of Armageddon and their families, but not the resurrected ones. The same term, "until", used in Matthew 1:25, we have always used it to show that Joseph did not have relations with his wife Marie until the birth of the child. This should be sufficient to show that the resurrection will take place after the end of the millennium, a concept that seems to be reaffirmed in verses 12 and 13. We will go deeper into these verses but now let's focus on these "rebels" who attack the people of God. Who are they and where did they come from? Revelations 20:7-10 says... "Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Ma?gog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  And they advanced over the whole earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and consumed them. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulfur, where both the wild beast Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. and the false prophet already were; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. and they will be tormented Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. day and night forever and ever". At the end of a thousand years, Satan is dissolved to "mislead those nations that are in the four corners of the earth" and gathers them to war. It seems really incredible that something like that happens! Is it possible that in the new world people still organize themselves in political nations, that create divisions and that even attack the part of that people remained faithful? This is the first hypothesis and roughly represents the current intention. Before thinking that it is nonsense ... is it possible to hypothesize that during the Armageddon war a part of the earth is spared also to allow the survival of the people of God? In several parts of the Bible it is said that during the time of judgment his faithful people escapes finding shelter to Edom, Moab and Ammon (which by the way are also the cities spared from the world war) - Compare for example Daniel 11:41 with Isaiah 16: 4; Psalm 108: 8-10 with Jeremiah 40: 10, 11 These three nations (Edom, Moab and Ammon) were mountainous / hilly and this recalls the words Jesus spoke to his disciples - Matthew 24: 15, 16 Does Scripture warn all Christians in the world to flee to the nearest mountains as soon as they see the disgusting thing about Israel? Indeed, if the destruction of Babylon the Great gave rise to Armageddon (as we have seen) and not to the great tribulation, "fleeing the mountains" would mean that Jehovah would save these mountains by force of things. In fact these "mountains" could be a specific locality of the earth where Jehovah will lead his people just before Armageddon. This or these locations would then be "preserved by judgment". It would not be the first time that Jehovah, in his love and mercy, avoids destroying a certain people because of his servants. According to the account of Genesis 19:21, 22, the angels of Jehovah avoid destroying Zoar for consideration of Lot, and yet, from what is understood by reading the whole story, that "little city" was part of Sodom or Gomorrah and therefore had to be destroyed. The war of Armageddon actually destroys the satanic system composed of the wild beast, the false prophet and his supporters. All those nations that are compact in fighting against the Lamb also fall. The vast majority of people die in this war because blinded and branded by the wild beast but will die all those who are not Christians? The Philadelphia congregation is told that "it would be preserved by the test that must come on the entire inhabited earth" and that this can be done at least hypothesizes that some Christians find shelter in a "free zone" - Revelation 3:10 If we can hypothesize this, then the nations that at the end of the millennium decide to attack the people of God, could be born from these surviving strains. Why, in fact, would you make a distinction between them and "the field of saints"? Are not all the inhabitants of the new world "saints"? In the new world will there be a "field of saints" and a "field of non-saints"? Another confirmation could come from the very protection of Jerusalem above; it is said to "fly in the desert" far from the face of the serpent. When Satan tries to make her drown "the earth comes to her aid" and this means that at least until the last moment of divine judgment there is still a "stable" part of the world - Revelation 12:15 This could also explain why the resurrection does not take place during this millennium; simply because you are not yet in that new world that we imagine even if it will already be a new world and you will already have many reasons to be happy. We should probably make a distinction between "millennial reign" (which will bring many blessings to faithful humanity) and "new world" that will begin after the resurrection, at the moment when Christ returns the kingdom to his God and Father. This period could simply be a period of transition during which human beings can live in peace without the influence of Satan and under the guidance of divine teaching for all those who wish to obey. In fact, one of the questions Satan raised in the Garden of Eden was precisely if man was able to govern himself but man, with the interference of Satan, he never really ruled alone.   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.     Can man direct his steps without God and without Satan? Also to this we must answer   This is related to the words of Revelation 20: 3; Satan is bound "not so misleads the nations" and that it is necessary to give definitively answer to the issue raised in Eden. However, if all the nations were destroyed at Armageddon ... how could he mislead them? Would it make sense to say that Satan is bound to keep the nations that no longer exist? Possible nations in the four corners of the earth, born of this spared stock, could show if man is really able to govern himself in favorable conditions, that is without the influence of Satan. After this last human rebellion, which will have consciously shown that they prefer Satan's government to that of Jehovah, both Satan and disobedient humanity will be eliminated forever. Only after the resurrection of the dead and after their judgment "death and Ades will be thrown into the lake of fire" and therefore we should assume that, throughout the millennium, despite having favorable conditions, we will continue to age and die? It is unthinkable because the anointed rulers will fulfill their priestly functions by expiating the sin of humanity and thus preventing the death of their subjects. Death that, however, will always be lurking and not yet permanently eliminated until the end of the millennium. It will be "the last enemy" to be eliminated in fact, if at the end of the millennium there will still be "enemies to be eliminated" (the nations surrounding the holy field), this should demonstrate that the resurrection, and therefore the definitive elimination of death, it will happen only after that event - I Corinthians 15:26 In this regard the writing of I Corinthians 15:24, 25, if read carefully, seems to specify the order of events, that is, Jesus Christ will deliver the Kingdom to his God and Father when he has reduced to nothing "every government and every authority and power". Obviously if every government and every authority and power were reduced to nothing during the war of Armageddon, He (Jesus Christ) should deliver the government at that very moment, that is, when he had just taken power. Let's reread these last six lines and try to understand their meaning even if "this meaning" goes out blatantly against our most deeply rooted convictions. Verse 25 says ... "For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet". This would seem to mean that there will still be enemies during the millennial reign. So the Kingdom ruled by Christ will be a temporary provision to Jehovah's praise to bring humanity back to perfection and this can also include the destruction of the last governments, authorities and powers, which will ultimately refuse to submit - Revelation 20: 8   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.   Who will truly surround the "field of saints"?     In Ezekiel chapter 38 the verses from 8 on wards it is said that attention will be paid to Gog of Magog after "many days" and therefore suggests that these had been left out that is not taken into account or spared during of judgment. Does not it seem a contradiction that Gog of Magog exists at the end of the satanic system of things and exists again in the new world at the end of the millennium? Does it not reflect that this "coalition of nations" always has the same name and indeed, in the description of Ezekiel, does not the subject change at all? If Gog of Magog is a coalition of nations, does not it seem strange that nations are formed under the reign of Christ? It is a contradiction only if we take for granted that all governments and all people are really destroyed in Armageddon. Evidently Gog of Magog does not exist again but it still exists (ie it has never ceased to exist). If "pay attention to him" after many days it means that they are always theirs and the "many days" are all the years of the millennial reign. Gog of Magog always has the same name because it is always the same subject. The people who "accumulate wealth and property" are obviously the people of God (the "field of saints" according to Revelation) and this indicates the many blessings that God's people will have during the millennial reign and the contrast with other peoples (why specify that there is a people that accumulates wealth if all accumulate the same riches?). Blessings that, apparently, will not have Gog of Magog otherwise there would be no such contrast and there would be no reason to feel envy - Ezekiel 38:12; compare Proverbs 10:22 Why, moreover, would there be this contrast with those who "do not even bar and doors" if we are all in a new world of peace, without thieves or other criminals? - Ezekiel 38:11 If read simply for what it is, the scripture really seems to indicate that, during the millennial reign of Christ, there still exist peoples who have bars and doors and are evidently those who have never been interested in the will of God for whom they must put " bars and doors" and pay attention to their own brothers. The events related to Gog Magog, described in chapters 38 and 39 of Ezekiel, are full of interesting details but one of the things that stands out right now is the distinction between them and Israel. It therefore seems that Israel, or the holy people of God, will live together with these other peoples for a thousand years - Ezekiel 39: 6, 7 At this point the writing of Isaiah 2: 2-4 acquires a particular meaning. So far we have applied this writing to people who, by accepting the truth today, change their behavior and "make their swords into plowshares" by becoming peaceful people. We have also applied it to the instruction that will be given to the resurrected in the New World, but let us now try to reread it by accepting the possibility of what we have just described. Isaiah 2: 2-4: "In the final part of the days, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. And it will be raised up above the hills,And to it all the nations will stream. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah,To the house of the God of Jacob. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. He will instruct us about his ways,And we will walk in his paths.” Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. For law Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. will go out of Zion,And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore".   The mountain of Jehovah's house will be firmly established and raised. When? Evidently when the Satan system is eliminated, it will be clear that Jehovah's way of governing is the best ever. "All nations must flow to it", in what sense and which nations? Many nations have indeed flowed into the people of God, for whom it is recognized that fulfillment could have something to do with our days; nevertheless, it is possible that, at the end of Armageddon, people of the nations survived by the judgment of God (the peoples at the four corners of the earth) decide to flow to the mountain of Jehovah. After the incredible events of Armageddon, it should by now be clear who the True God is and what His people are. In this way, too, Jehovah is sanctified in the midst of the nations. Many people flow and say, "Come, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will certainly walk in his paths" so it's describes as their own initiative and not as someone who has been persuaded through the preaching of the good news. Indeed, they themselves are saying "he will instruct us around his ways". We can imagine that many survivors will flow to the mountain of Jehovah once they have seen the great signs of Armageddon, abandoning their old nation and making the necessary changes to be accepted by God - Compare Revelation 11:13 and Joshua 9: 8-11 Yet it is easy enough to imagine that, despite these unequivocal signs of Jehovah's blessing on His people, not everyone will decide to be part of it. So many people will continue to stay in their nations, with their governments, refusing to rush to Jehovah's mountain. Seen from this perspective, it is no longer so incredible to imagine that, at the end of the millennium, when God's people have accumulated riches and blessings to no end, these nations organize themselves to "take many spoils" - Ezekiel 38: 10-12 Even the writing of Daniel 2:44 should make us reflect. The writing says: "“In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. that will never be destroyed. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. and it alone will stand forever". What realms is Daniel talking about? If we read the preceding verses we understand that we are talking about the kingdoms that make up the image of a man with a golden head, chest and arms of silver, belly and thighs of copper, legs of iron and feet of iron and clay . We know very well that these kingdoms are respectively Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece, Rome and, according to current understanding, the Anglo-American empire (but, as we saw in a previous article, the last dominant king must be the king of the north). The same powers, also in the book of Daniel, are described as the lion with the wings of an eagle (or Babylon described in Daniel 7: 4), the ravenous bear with three ribs between the teeth (Media- Persia described in Daniel 7: 5), the leopard with four heads and four wings (the Macedonian or Greek empire described in Daniel 7: 6) and the frightful and terrible beast with the iron teeth and the ten horns (Rome and therefore the last power described in Daniel 7: 7, 8, 19). Why are the same realms or domains seen in two different ways? This is interesting because the beast that John sees "ascending from the sea" has characteristics of all these beasts - Revelation 13: 1, 2 It is in fact similar to a leopard, has the feet of a bear, the mouth of the lion and the ten horns of the last beast seen by Daniel. These are the kings that are destroyed by Jesus Christ and his elect at Armageddon, that is, the kingdoms that will coalesce in the final battle. Obviously it includes his image (the UN) and the false prophet - Revelation 19:19, 20 It includes all those who participated in the war, directly or indirectly, and all those who have persecuted or unjustly treated God's people - Revelation 19:21; Zechariah 2: 8 Surely a good part of humanity will be killed in this war because the ruler of the world will make sure to have as many people as possible, but will this mean that all kingdoms and all people will be destroyed except for Christians? Even those insignificant, small realms? Even those isolated from the rest of the world, like islands or small ethnic groups, including those people who, living in countries that are restrictive of religion or other religions, have never had the opportunity to know the marvelous truths of God's word? - See Ezekiel 39: 6 These are questions to think about. It is true that the "good news" was preached in all the inhabited earth before the end of the satanic system ... but did this really understand all the people and everyone really had the same opportunities? Beyond any human hypothesis, the words that should make us reflect more are those reported in Daniel 7:11, 12. The writing says ... "I kept watching at that time because of the sound of the arrogant Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. words that the horn was speaking; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. I watched until the beast was killed and its body was destroyed and it was given over to be burned in the fire. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  But as for the rest of the beasts, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. their rulerships were taken away, and their lives were prolonged for a time and a season". What does this mean and how long does it last "a time and a season"? Meanwhile, from the context we see that the horn that speaks great things is referred to the "terrible and terrible beast" that is the last beast of Daniel's vision. There is talk of the period in which "thrones are placed" and "the Ancient of days" sits to judge and therefore can only refer to the time when Jehovah and Christ take power - Revelation 11: 15-18 It is said that the beast is killed and his body is given to the burning fire - Compare Revelation 19:19, 20 It is evident that the scripture is referring to the wild beast of Revelation at the time of its judgment and yet, after specifying that the beast is given to the burning fire (therefore it has been destroyed), verse 12 says ... "But as for the rest of the beasts, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. their rulerships were taken away, and their lives were prolonged for a time and a season". This specifies very clearly that the other domains are not destroyed but allows them to continue to exist for some time after the judgment of Armageddon. We try to stop for a moment and reread the last four lines carefully comparing the cited writings. In fact, if we read Revelation 19: 19-21 carefully, we see that the wild beast, the kings of the earth and their armies gather to make war against Jesus Christ and his army, but who is destroyed among all these? The writing says that the wild beast and the false prophet is taken and thrown into the lake of fire. Then, verse 21 says "the rest were killed with the long sword of him who sat on the horse, which [sword] came out of his mouth." The remaining whom? There are two subjects involved: the kings of the earth and their armies. By saying "the rest" does the vision refer to kings, their armies or both? If he also referred to both of Daniel's writing, he specifies that the domains of these kings are simply removed, not destroyed. Surely die those who are in that position (armies, any generals or kings) in fact the writing says that "they are killed" but they are not said to end up in the lake of fire. We know that the lake of fire means the second death and that is a place from which we do not return so we have the assurance that the wild beast is destroyed so as not to return again but the "remaining" are not uprooted from the earth. Not yet. Those who are waging war against the Lamb are killed, but evidently there will remain something of their kingdoms, that is, the nations belonging to these "remaining" who have been granted an extension for a time and a season. These will have a thousand years to recover and at least a part of them, quite numerous according to the words of Revelation 20: 8, will attack the people of God at the end of the millennium. Gog of Magog existed before Armageddon and will exist even later. Finally, as we have seen, after the destruction of these enemies there is still "one last enemy" to be eliminated: the death - See 1 Corinthians 15:26 This confirms the sequence of events of Revelation.    
       
    • By Srecko Sostar
      “The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food. So how can we answer Jesus’ question: “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?” (Matt. 24:45) WT feb 2017
      What if a man claims his expressions are not inspired, but still expects us to follow his teachings and obey his direction?  Does he then get a free pass from testing process?  If we are commanded to test an expression which a man claims is inspired from God, how much more caution should we exercise when the man does not claim inspiration, yet expects us to accept his words as if he were channeling the Almighty? - 1 John 4:1
      “By word or action, may we never challenge the channel of communication that Jehovah is using today.” (w09 11/15 p.14 par. 5 "Treasure Your Place in the Congregation")
      To claim one is not speaking under inspiration, while simultaneously claiming one is God’s channel of communication is to speak a contradiction. 
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      Wt 02/7/15 – “Could it be that the fire of hell is symbolic of all-consuming, or thorough, destruction? Separating fire from Hades, or hell, the Scriptures say: “Death and Hades were hurled into the lake of fire.” “The lake” mentioned here is symbolic, since death and hell (Hades) that are thrown into it cannot literally be burned. “This [lake of fire] means the second death” —death from which there is no hope of coming back to life. — Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. .

      Wt. 08/11/1 pp. 8,9  THOSE who teach that hell is a place of torment promote a gross misrepresentation of Jehovah God and his qualities. Granted, the Bible does say that God will destroy the wicked. ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) But righteous anger is not God’s dominant quality.
      (Actually, the "destroyer" is Satan  Isa 33:1; 1 Cor 10:9,10; Heb 11:28)     
      God is not malicious or vindictive. He even asks: “Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , King James Version) If God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked, how could he for all eternity delight in watching these ones being tormented? 
      What about Armageddon?  The Wt. continually depicts great slaughter, convincing JWs that it will be a time of torment with mutilated bodies everywhere.  Anthony Morris willingly gives his colorful interpretation of the carnage resulting from the war’s aftermath.
      YET, did you catch this, JWs?
        Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. wp17 No. 6 p. 16   Armageddon is the symbolic place of “the war of the great day of God the Almighty,” his war against the wicked. — Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. .
      If hell is symbolic with no literal “fire”, should the Watchtower show such glaring pictorial atrocities of Armageddon, or stick with the little-known fact that they present you above?  Who is playing games with your mind? 
       
      "At the root of this battle of Armageddon, is the struggle to win over the hearts of men, and what it is that they put their faith in and worship. Each side of this battle, has it's own overlord and King. It is what proceeds from the mouth of each of these King of kings, that fuels this decisive battle.
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      From the mouth of Satan (and those belonging to his "woman" - Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ), comes deception, spiritual darkness, false doctrines, and death ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ). From the mouth of Christ (and those belonging to his "woman" - Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ), comes insight, spiritual light, truth, and life ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  B;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  B;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ;  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ).

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      Nowhere in the Bible, is the interpretation of Armageddon described as a literal execution, instigated by God and carried out by the political governments of Satan's world by material warfare, as so many have assumed.
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      The only reference for new light is at 2Corinthians 11:14. The watchtower has had a lot of new light in it's history.
    • By Israeli Bar Avaddhon
      Los capítulos 19 y 20 de Apocalipsis revelarán algunos detalles significativos sobre la guerra de Armagedón y lo que sucederá a continuación. Estos detalles incluirán dos cambios importantes en la comprensión actual y, tal como sucedió con la identidad de Babilonia la Grande, este "cambio de visión" será un verdadero obstáculo para muchos testigos de Jehová. Estos capítulos serán examinados en el próximo artículo pero, frente a un cambio de entendimiento tan serio para otros dos temas, se decidió tratarlos por separado a la luz de toda la Escritura. Antes que nada debemos darnos cuenta de que la Revelación habla de la resurrección al final del milenio, y no durante el milenio. Esto se tratará en detalle a su debido tiempo. Por el momento ... acepte esta posibilidad solo para que el tema de este artículo sea comprensible, lo que debe responder a la pregunta, de hecho, "¿qué países realmente desaparecen en el Armagedón?". Está claro que aquí volvemos al "problema" usual si el libro fue escrito en orden cronológico o no, pero mientras tanto vimos que los 7 sellos son secuenciales, las 7 trompetas deben ser secuenciales (el apóstol Pablo llama a la séptima trompeta "la última trompeta") y también las siete copas de la ira de Dios. Si todo esto es secuencial ... ¿es consistente pensar que solo los últimos capítulos no lo son? Tratemos de leer todo el capítulo 20 de Apocalipsis y seguir el orden de los eventos. Satanás es disuelto de su prisión, luego engaña a las naciones que están en los rincones de la tierra, estos rodean el campamento de los santos y luego son matados por el fuego que desciende del cielo. Después de este evento, la muerte y el ades devuelven a los muertos que están en ellos - Apocalipsis 20: 11-13 Vamos a profundizar en estos versículos más adelante, pero ahora centrémonos en estos "rebeldes" que atacan al pueblo de Dios. ¿Quiénes son y de dónde vienen? Ahora bien, luego que hayan terminado los mil años, Satanás será soltado de su prisión, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  y saldrá a extraviar a aquellas naciones que están en los cuatro ángulos Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. de la tierra, a Gog y a Magog, para reunirlos para la guerra. El número de estos es como la arena del mar. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  Y avanzaron sobre la anchura de la tierra y rodearon el campamento Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. de los santos Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. y la ciudad amada. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Pero descendió fuego del cielo, y los devoró. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  Y el Diablo Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. que los estaba extraviando Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. fue arrojado al lago de fuego y azufre, donde [ya estaban] tanto la bestia salvaje Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. como el falso profeta; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. y serán atormentados día y noche para siempre jamás – Apocalipsis 20:7-10   Al final de mil años, Satanás se disuelve para "confundir a las naciones que están en los cuatro rincones de la tierra" y los reúne para la guerra. ¡Parece realmente increíble que algo así suceda! ¿Es posible que en el nuevo mundo la gente todavía se organice en naciones políticas, que cree divisiones y que incluso ataque a esa parte de las personas que permanecieron fieles? Este es el primer caso y es más o menos la comprensión actual. Antes de pensar que es una tontería ... ¿es posible hipotetizar que durante la guerra de Armageddon una parte de la tierra se salva también para permitir la supervivencia del pueblo de Dios? En varias partes de la Biblia se dice que durante el tiempo del juicio su pueblo fiel escapa a la búsqueda de refugio para Edom, Moab y Amón (que por cierto también son las ciudades salvadas de la guerra mundial) - Compare por ejemplo Daniel 11:41 con Isaías 16: 4; Salmos 108: 8-10 con Jeremías 40: 10, 11 Estas tres naciones (Edom, Moab y Ammon) eran montañosas y esto recuerda las palabras que Jesús habló a sus discípulos: Mateo 24: 15, 16. ¿Puede ser que las Escrituras advierten a todos los cristianos en el mundo que huyan a las montañas más cercanas tan pronto como vean algo repugnante sobre Israel? De hecho, si la destrucción de Babilonia la Grande dio lugar al Armagedón (como hemos visto) y no a la gran tribulación, "huir de las montañas" significaría que Jehová salvaría estas montañas por la fuerza de las cosas. De hecho, estas "montañas" podrían ser una localidad específica de la tierra donde Jehová conducirá a su pueblo justo antes del Armagedón Esta o estas ubicaciones serían "preservadas por juicio". No sería la primera vez que Jehová, en su amor y misericordia, evita destruir a ciertas personas a causa de sus siervos. Según el relato de Génesis 19:21, 22, los ángeles de Jehová evitan destruir a Zoar por considerar a Lot, y sin embargo, de lo que se entiende al leer toda la historia, esa "pequeña ciudad" era parte de Sodoma o Gomorra y por lo tanto tenía que ser destruida. La guerra de Armagedón en realidad destruye el sistema satánico compuesto por la bestia salvaje, el falso profeta y sus seguidores. Todas las naciones que son compactas en la lucha contra el Cordero también caen. La gran mayoría de las personas muere en esta guerra porque está cegada y marcada por la bestia salvaje, pero ¿morirán todos aquellos que no son cristianos? A la congregación de Filadelfia se le dice que "se preservará con la prueba que debe realizarse en toda la tierra habitada" y que esto se puede hacer al menos con la hipótesis de que algunos cristianos encuentran refugio en una "zona libre" - Apocalipsis 3:10 Si podemos hipotetizar esto, entonces las naciones que al final del milenio deciden atacar al pueblo de Dios podrían nacer de estas cepas sobrevivientes. ¿Por qué, de hecho, harías una distinción entre ellos y "el campo de los santos"? ¿No son sagrados todos los habitantes del nuevo mundo? En el nuevo mundo, ¿habrá un "campo de santos" y un "campo de no santos"? Otra confirmación podría venir de la misma protección de Jerusalén arriba; se dice que "vuela en el desierto" lejos de la cara de la serpiente. Cuando Satanás intenta hacerla ahogar "la tierra viene en su ayuda" y esto significa que al menos hasta el último momento del juicio divino todavía hay una parte "estable" del mundo - Apocalipsis 12:15 Esto también podría explicar por qué la resurrección no tiene lugar durante este milenio; simplemente porque todavía no es el nuevo mundo que imaginamos, incluso si ya será un mundo nuevo y ya tendrás muchas razones para ser feliz. Probablemente deberíamos hacer una distinción entre el "reinado milenario" (que traerá muchas bendiciones a la humanidad fiel) y el "nuevo mundo" que comenzará después de la resurrección, en el momento en que Cristo devuelva el reino a su Dios y Padre. Este período podría ser simplemente un período de transición durante el cual los seres humanos pueden vivir en paz sin la influencia de Satanás y bajo la guía de la enseñanza divina para todos aquellos que desean obedecer. De hecho, una de las preguntas que planteó Satanás en el Jardín del Edén fue precisamente si el hombre era capaz de gobernarse a sí mismo, pero el hombre, con la interferencia de Satanás, nunca gobernó realmente solo - Juan 14:30 Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ¿Puede el hombre dirigir sus pasos sin Dios y sin Satanás?  También a esto debemos responder   Esto está relacionado con las palabras de Apocalipsis 20: 3; Satanás es atado "no tan desorienta las naciones" y esto es necesario por dar definitivamente respuesta a la cuestión planteada en el Edén. Sin embargo, si todas las naciones fueron destruidas en Armagedón ... ¿cómo podría desorientarlas? ¿Tendría sentido decir que Satanás está enlazado por no desviar las naciones que ya no existen? Las posibles naciones en las cuatro esquinas de la tierra, nacidas de estas personas, podrían mostrar si el hombre es realmente capaz de gobernarse a sí mismo en condiciones favorables, es decir, sin la influencia de Satanás. Después de esta última rebelión humana, que habrá demostrado conscientemente que prefieren el gobierno de Satanás al de Jehová, tanto Satanás como la humanidad desobediente serán eliminados para siempre. Solo después de la resurrección de los muertos y después de su juicio, "la muerte y Ades serán arrojados al lago de fuego" y, por lo tanto, debemos suponer que, a lo largo del milenio, a pesar de tener condiciones favorables, continuaremos envejeciendo y muriendo? Es impensable porque los gobernantes ungidos cumplirán sus funciones sacerdotales al expiar el pecado de la humanidad y así evitar la muerte de sus súbditos. La muerte que, sin embargo, siempre estará al acecho y no será eliminada permanentemente hasta el final del milenio. Será "el último enemigo" que se eliminará de hecho, si al final del milenio todavía habrá "enemigos a eliminar" (las naciones que rodean el campo sagrado), esto debería demostrar que la resurrección, y por lo tanto la eliminación definitiva de muerte, sucederá solo después de ese evento - I Corintios 15:26 En este sentido, la escritura de 1 Corintios 15:24, 25, si se lee con cuidado, parece especificar el orden de los eventos, es decir, Jesucristo entregará el Reino a su Dios y Padre cuando haya reducido a nada "todos los gobiernos y todas las autoridades y todos los poderes". Obviamente si cada gobierno y cada autoridad y poder se redujeron a nada durante la guerra de Armagedón, Él (Jesucristo) debería liberar al gobierno en ese mismo momento, es decir, cuando acababa de tomar el poder. Volvamos a leer estas últimas seis líneas e intentemos entender su significado incluso si "este sentido" sale descaradamente contra nuestras convicciones más arraigadas. El versículo 25 dice ... "Porque él debe reinar hasta que [Dios] haya puesto a todos los enemigos debajo de sus pies". Esto parece significar que todavía habrá enemigos durante el reinado milenario. Así que el Reino gobernado por Cristo será una provisión temporal para la alabanza de Jehová para devolver a la humanidad a la perfección y esto también puede incluir la destrucción de los últimos gobiernos, autoridades y poderes, que al final se negarán a someterse - Apocalipsis 20: 8   Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ¿Quién rodeará realmente el "campo de los santos"?   En Ezequiel capítulo 38 versos que van de 8 en adelante, se dice que van a prestar atención a Gog Magog después de "muchos días" y luego sugiere que habían quedado fuera de que no se tiene en cuenta o se guardan durante el juicio. ¿No parece una contradicción que Gog of Magog exista al final del sistema satánico de las cosas y exista de nuevo en el nuevo mundo al final del milenio? Te hace pensar que esta "coalición de naciones" siempre tiene el mismo nombre y de hecho, en la descripción de Ezequiel, el sujeto no cambia en absoluto? Si Gog de Magog es una coalición de naciones, ¿no parece extraño que las naciones se formen bajo el reinado de Cristo? Es una contradicción solo si damos por sentado que todos los gobiernos y todas las personas están realmente destruidas en Armagedón. Evidentemente, Gog of Magog no existe de nuevo, pero existe aún (es decir, nunca ha dejado de existir). Si le prestas atención después de muchos días significa que siempre son ellos y los "muchos días" son todos los años del reinado milenario. Gog de Magog siempre tiene el mismo nombre porque siempre es el mismo sujeto. Las personas que "acumulan riquezas y propiedades" son obviamente el pueblo de Dios (el "campo de los santos" según Apocalipsis) y esto indica las muchas bendiciones que tendrá el pueblo de Dios durante el reinado milenario y el contraste con otros pueblos (por qué especificar que hay un pueblo que acumula riqueza si todos acumulan las mismas riquezas?). Las bendiciones que, aparentemente, no tendrán a Gog de Magog de lo contrario no existirían tales contrastes y no habría razón para sentir envidia - Ezequiel 38:12; compárese con Proverbios 10:22 ¿Por qué, además, habría este contraste con aquellos que "ni siquiera barren ni puertas" si todos estamos en un nuevo mundo de paz, sin ladrones u otros delincuentes? - Ezequiel 38:11 Si simplemente lees como lo que es, la escritura realmente parece indicar que, durante el reino milenario de Cristo, todavía hay personas que tienen puertas y cerrojo, y son obviamente aquellos que nunca han estado interesados en la voluntad de Dios asiqué deben poner " bares y puertas" y prestar atención a sus propios hermanos. Los eventos relacionados con Gog de Magog, que se describen en los capítulos 38 y 39 de Ezequiel, están llenos de detalles interesantes, pero una de las cosas que se destaca a la vista es la diferencia que existe entre ellos e Israel. Por lo tanto, parece que Israel, o el pueblo santo de Dios, vivirá junto con estos otros pueblos durante mil años - Ezequiel 39: 6, 7 En este punto, la escritura de Isaías 2: 2-4 adquiere un significado particular. Hasta ahora, hemos aplicado estas escrituras a personas que, al aceptar la verdad hoy, cambian su comportamiento y "convierten sus espadas en rejas de arado" al convertirse en personas pacíficas. También lo hemos aplicado a las instrucciones que se darán a los resucitados en el Nuevo Mundo, pero tratemos de volver a leerlo aceptando la posibilidad de lo que acabamos de describir. Isaías 2: 2-4: “Y en la parte final de los días Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. tiene que suceder [que] la montaña de la casa Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. de Jehová llegará a estar firmemente establecida por encima de la cumbre de las montañas, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. y ciertamente será alzada por encima de las colinas; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. y a ella tendrán que afluir todas las naciones. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  Y muchos pueblos ciertamente irán y dirán: “Vengan, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. y subamos a la montaña de Jehová, a la casa del Dios de Jacob; y él nos instruirá acerca de sus caminos, y ciertamente andaremos Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. en sus sendas”. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Porque de Sión saldrá ley, y de Jerusalén la palabra de Jehová. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  Y él ciertamente dictará el fallo entre las naciones Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. y enderezará Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. los asuntos respecto a muchos pueblos. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Y tendrán que batir sus espadas en rejas de arado y sus lanzas en podaderas. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. No alzará espada nación contra nación, ni aprenderán más la guerra”.   La montaña de la casa de Jehová será firmemente establecida y levantada. ¿Cuándo? Evidentemente, cuando se elimine el sistema de Satanás, quedará claro que el modo de gobernar de Jehová es el mejor de todos. "Todas las naciones deben fluir hacia ella", ¿en qué sentido y qué naciones? Muchas naciones han fluído en el pueblo de Dios, por lo que se reconoce que la realización podría tener algo que ver con nuestros días; sin embargo, es posible que, al final de Armagedón, las personas de las naciones que hayan sobrevivido por el juicio de Dios (los pueblos en las cuatro esquinas de la tierra) decidan fluir al monte de Jehová. Después de los increíbles eventos de Armagedón, ya debería estar claro quién es el verdadero Dios y cuál es su pueblo. De esta manera, también, Jehová es santificado en medio de las naciones. Mucha gente fluye y dice: "Vengan y subamos al monte de Jehová, a la casa del Dios de Jacob". y él nos instruirá sobre sus caminos, y ciertamente caminaremos en su camino ", por lo que se describe a sí mismo como su propia iniciativa y no como alguien que ha sido persuadido a través de la predicación de las buenas nuevas. De hecho, ellos mismos dicen "él nos instruirá sobre sus caminos". Podemos imaginar que muchos sobrevivientes fluirán a la montaña de Jehová una vez que hayan visto los grandes signos del Armagedón, abandonando su antigua nación y haciendo los cambios necesarios para ser aceptados por Dios - Compare Apocalipsis 11:13 y Josué 9: 8-11. Sin embargo, es bastante fácil imaginar que, a pesar de estos signos inequívocos de la bendición de Jehová sobre su pueblo, no todos van a decidir unirse. Mucha gente continuará quedándose en sus naciones, con sus gobiernos, negándose a apresurarse a la montaña de Jehová. Visto desde esta perspectiva, ya no es tan increíble imaginar que, al final del milenio, cuando el pueblo de Dios ha acumulado riquezas y bendiciones sin fin, estas naciones se organizan para "tomar muchos despojos" - Ezequiel 38: 10-12 Incluso la escritura de Daniel 2:44 debería hacernos reflexionar. La escritura dice: "”Y en los días de aquellos reyes Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. el Dios del cielo Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. establecerá un reino Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. que nunca será reducido a ruinas. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Y el reino Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. mismo no será pasado a ningún otro pueblo. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Triturará y pondrá fin a todos estos reinos, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. y él mismo subsistirá hasta tiempos indefinidos". ¿De qué reyes está hablando Daniel? Si leemos los versículos anteriores, entendemos que estamos hablando de los reinos que componen la imagen de un hombre con cabeza dorada, pecho y brazos de plata, vientre y muslos de cobre, piernas de hierro y pies de hierro y arcilla . Sabemos muy bien que estos reinos son, respectivamente, Babilonia, Media-Persia, Grecia, Roma y, según el entendimiento actual, el imperio angloamericano (pero, como vimos en un artículo anterior, el último rey dominante debe ser otro rey del norte). Los mismos poderes, también en el libro de Daniel, se describen como el león con las alas de un águila (o Babilonia, en Daniel 7: 4), el oso voraz con tres costillas entre los dientes (Media-Persia, en Daniel 7: 5), el leopardo con cuatro cabezas y cuatro alas (el imperio macedonio o griego, en Daniel 7: 6) y la bestia espantosa y terrible con los dientes de hierro y los diez cuernos (Roma y por lo tanto el último poder descrito en Daniel 7: 7, 8, 19). ¿Por qué se ven los mismos dominios en dos maneras diferentes? Esto es interesante porque la bestia que Juan ve "ascender desde el mar" tiene características de todas estas bestias - Apocalipsis 13: 1, 2 De hecho, ella es similar a un leopardo, tiene los pies de un oso, la boca del león y los diez cuernos de la última bestia vista por Daniel. Estos son los reyes que son destruidos por Jesucristo y sus elegidos en Armagedón, es decir, los reinos que se unirán en la batalla final. Obviamente incluye su imagen (la ONU) y el falso profeta - Apocalipsis 19:19, 20 Incluye a todos los que participaron en la guerra, directa o indirectamente, y todos aquellos que han perseguido o tratado injustamente al pueblo de Dios - Apocalipsis 19:21; Zacarías 2: 8 Seguramente una buena parte de la humanidad será asesinada en esta guerra porque el gobernante del mundo se asegurará de tener tanta gente como sea posible, pero ¿significará esto que todos los reinos y todas las personas serán destruidas a excepción de los cristianos? ¿Incluso esos insignificantes y pequeños reinos? Incluso aquellos aislados del resto del mundo, como islas o pequeños grupos étnicos, incluidas aquellas personas que, viviendo en países que restringen la religión u otras religiones, nunca tuvieron la oportunidad de conocer las verdades maravillosas de la palabra de Dios? - Ver Ezequiel 39: 6 Estas son preguntas para pensar. Es cierto que las "buenas nuevas" se predicaron en toda la tierra habitada antes del fin del sistema satánico ... pero, ¿esto realmente entendía a todas las personas y todos realmente tenían las mismas oportunidades? Más allá de cualquier hipótesis humana, las palabras que deberían hacernos reflexionar más son las que se informan en Daniel 7:11, 12. La escritura dice Â… “Seguí contemplando en aquel tiempo debido al sonido de las palabras grandiosas que el cuerno estaba hablando; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. seguí contemplando hasta que la bestia fue muerta y su cuerpo fue destruido y fue dado al fuego ardiente. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  Pero en cuanto a las demás bestias, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. sus gobernaciones fueron quitadas, y hubo un alargamiento de vida que se les dio por un tiempo y sazón”. ¿Qué significa esto y cuánto dura "un tiempo y una sazòn"? Mientras tanto, desde el contexto vemos que el cuerno que habla de cosas grandiosas se refiere a la "espantosa y terrible bestia" que es la última bestia de la visión de Daniel. Se habla del período en el que se colocan los "tronos" y "el Anciano de los días" se sienta para juzgar y, por lo tanto, solo puede referirse al tiempo en que Jehová y Cristo toman el poder - Apocalipsis 11: 15-18 Se dice que la bestia es asesinada y su cuerpo es entregado al fuego ardiente - Compárese con Apocalipsis 19:19, 20. Es evidente que la escritura se refiere a la bestia salvaje de Apocalipsis en el momento de su juicio y, sin embargo, después de especificar que la bestia se entrega al fuego ardiente (por lo tanto, se ha destruido), el versículo 12 dice Â… “Pero en cuanto a las demás bestias, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. sus gobernaciones fueron quitadas, y hubo un alargamiento de vida que se les dio por un tiempo y sazón”. Esto especifica muy claramente que los otros dominios no se destruyen, sino que les permite continuar existiendo durante un tiempo después del juicio de Armagedón. Intentamos detenernos por un momento y volvemos a leer las últimas cuatro líneas comparando cuidadosamente las escrituras citadas. De hecho, si leemos Apocalipsis 19: 19-21 cuidadosamente, vemos que la bestia salvaje, los reyes de la tierra y sus ejércitos se reúnen para hacer la guerra contra Jesucristo y su ejército, pero ¿quién es destruido entre todos estos? La escritura dice que la bestia salvaje y el falso profeta son tomados y arrojados al lago de fuego. Entonces, el versículo 21 dice: “Pero los demás fueron muertos con la espada larga del que iba sentado en el caballo, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. la [espada] que salía de su boca”. Los demàs quién? Hay dos sujetos involucrados: los reyes de la tierra y sus ejércitos. Al decir "los demàs", ¿la visión se refiere a reyes, a sus ejércitos o a ambos? Si también se refirió a los dos, la escritura de Daniel, especifica que los dominios de estos reyes simplemente se quitan, no se destruyen. Seguramente morirán aquellos que están en esa posición (ejércitos, generales o reyes) de hecho la escritura dice que "los matan" pero no se dice que terminen en el lago de fuego. Sabemos que el lago de fuego significa la segunda muerte y que es un lugar del cual no regresamos, por lo que tenemos la seguridad de que la bestia salvaje es destruida para no volver otra vez, pero los "restantes" no son desarraigados de la tierra. Todavía no. Seràn matados todos aquellos que están librando una guerra contra el Cordero, pero evidentemente quedará algo de sus reinos, es decir, las naciones que pertenecen a estos "restantes" que fue concedido una prórroga de tiempo por un tiempo y una sazòn. Ellos tendrán mil años para recuperarse y al menos una parte de ellos, bastante numerosos según las palabras de Apocalipsis 20: 8, atacarán al pueblo de Dios al final del milenio. Gog de Magog existió antes de Armageddon y existirá incluso más tarde. En final, como hemos visto, después de la destrucción de estos enemigos todavía hay que "eliminar a un último enemigo": la muerte. Ver Corintios 15:26. Esto confirma la secuencia de eventos de Apocalipsis
    • By Queen Esther
      THE  BIG  STORM  BY  ARMAGEDDON.......
      Very  interesting  video !
      May  Jehovah's  Kingdom  coming  soon   ? ? .•*¨`*•..¸???¸.•*¨`*•. ? ?
    • By Anna
      Has anyone wondered about this?
      God’s Kingdom Rules! Page 230, par.19 & 20  says:
      How to Prepare Ourselves
      19  How can we prepare ourselves for the earthshaking
      events that are to come? The Watchtower stated some years
      ago: “Survival will depend on obedience.” Why is that so?
      The answer is found in a warning from Jehovah to the captive
      Jews living in ancient Babylon. Jehovah foretold that
      Babylon would be conquered, but what were God’s people
      to do to prepare themselves for that event? Jehovah stated:
      “Go, my people, enter your inner rooms, and shut your
      doors behind you. Hide yourself for a brief moment until
      the wrath has passed by.” (Isa. 26:20) Note the verbs in this
      verse: “go,” “enter,” “shut,” “hide”—all are in the imperative
      mood; they are commands. The Jews who heeded those
      commands would have stayed in their houses, away from
      the conquering soldiers out in the streets. Hence, their survival
      depended on obeying Jehovah’s instructions.[2]
       
      20  What is the lesson for us? As in the case of those ancient
      servants of God, our survival of coming events will
      depend on our obedience to Jehovah’s instructions. (Isa.
      30:21) Such instructions come to us through the congregation
      arrangement. Therefore, we want to develop heartfelt
      obedience to the guidance we are receiving. (1 John 5:3)
      If we do so today, we will be more inclined to obey willingly
      in the future and thus receive the protection of our Father,
      Jehovah, and our King, Jesus. (Zeph. 2:3) That divine
      protection will allow us to witness firsthand how God’s
      Kingdom will completely remove its enemies. What an unforgettable
      event that will be!
      Prior to those paragraphs, and in harmony with Matthew 24, it was made clear that the sheep and the goats will have already been judged, the sheep being marked for survival. Why would there be further need to follow some other instructions in order to survive? Matthew 24 does not indicate anything about additional instructions as a criterion for survival. In fact it says “then two men will be in the field; one will be taken along and the other abandoned.  Two women will be grinding at the hand mill; one will be taken along and the other abandoned.” This indicates that people will be in ordinary situations, when they are “saved”. The rest of the gospels focus on doing God’s will and following in Christ’s footsteps as the criterion for gaining salvation. "For this is what the love of God means, that we observe his commandments; and yet his commandments are not burdensome" 1John 5:3. None of the Greek scriptures talk about any special instructions that will have to be obeyed during the great tribulation and Armageddon.  It is only Isaiah that mentions this in relation to surviving the overthrow of Babylon, with similar references to the Passover in Egypt and perhaps also Noah entering the Ark.
      I wonder why the Slave thinks that the same pattern will be followed when the ultimate destruction comes, as if Jehovah is not capable of saving individuals wherever they may be. Looking at it from a practical point of view, not everyone will be physically able to “go” or “shut” or “hide”. Think of the old and infirm.  The scripture in Zepheniah 2:3 talks about doing specific things well before  the day of Jehovah's anger. “Seek Jehovah, all you meek ones of the earth, Who observe his righteous decrees, seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably you will be concealed on the day of Jehovah’s anger”.
      The paragraph that follows,  (Par. 20) talks about us learning to obey the Slave now, so that when the time comes we will “obey” the Slave then, because our salvation depends on it.  But the scriptures clearly show our salvation depends on lots of other things, one of them being enduring faithfully to the end.  This was the symposium at this year’s Do not Give up convention as well. This included practical steps to “Run With Endurance”
      ·         Run to Win! (1 Corinthians 9:24)
      ·         Train Diligently (1 Corinthians 9:25-27)
      ·         Let Go of Unnecessary Burdens (Hebrews 12:1)
      ·         Imitate Good Examples (Hebrews 12:2, 3)
      ·         Eat Nutritious Food (Hebrews 5:12-14)
      ·         Drink Plenty of Water (Revelation 22:17)
      ·         Obey the Rules of the Contest (2 Timothy 2:5)
      ·         Be Confident of Gaining the Prize (Romans 15:13)
      That pertains to everything we do now. And those are the things we will be judged on. That’s how we prepare ourselves surely? Not by obeying some last minute instructions as if Jehovah is not capable of saving each individual Witness wherever they may be, since the whole performance is going to involve supernatural powers anyway....Plus, it has been speculated that some may die at Armageddon, not by Jehovah's hand, but by other extenuating circumstances, even by being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
      I will do some more research on this....
       
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