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@James Thomas Rook Jr. And yet you have the government, the powers that be who seek to make things even worse, the real masterminds behind various things of their own design. I myself isn't someone for guns despite holding one once that was unloaded a very long time ago, but I have met people who had used and trained with them, especially, for instance, Steven Gern, he is a former US marine.

That being said, the focus is in question if For Government Control and Not For Government Control concerning guns, and due to the march for our lives event when such questions are addressed concerning such, it exposes the fact that even the people do not know what they are fighting for and or are deeply confused, for example, the ban of bump stocks has not changed the situation of gun control and gun violence throughout the US, as is with the confusion of those, at said event who are in favor of banning assault rifles, but are somehow okay with handguns, for it is said over 80% of mass shootings are carried out by someone with handguns vs. that of assault rifles, regardless it comes down to not the weapon, but the person who is holding that weapon who commits to cause harm.

I also remember someone pointed out that the US should do what the Chinese are doing concerning guns, making it as difficult as possible to get a license to carry, but since the US is in the state that it is, with guns all over the place, it comes down to people wanting to stand their ground and defend, but there are those who commit to hate and chaos that makes it harder for the good guy with the gun to actually take action.

I get a lot of heat for speaking against lies against the police, for I am even called a police sympathizer, but the truth is the truth, not all policemen are evil, but today's world say otherwise. The head of police does can only counsel the people within the force, actions done by members of the force can either be good willed or ill willed, but it does not define all of them.

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The right to bear arms, as is necessary, for personal and family and associates self defense is as basic and natural as the right to eat food, and drink water, and breath air. It is a NATURAL right, like the right of an unborn baby to live, or a person to speak freely, or associate with whomsoever he or she wishes.

Whether the governments of Earth protect these rights, ignore these rights or restrict or eliminate the exercise of any of these rights is a whole other subject.

We HAVE these NATURAL rights .... if we can manage them, and sometimes, if necessary fight for them, and win ... we can then exercise these rights.

The RIGHT to bear arms existed BEFORE the United States Constitution sought to protect what already existed, by saying that those rights shall NOT be infringed.

EVERY LIVING THING ON THIS EARTH HAS, AND ALWAYS HAS HAD, THE NATURAL RIGHT TO TRY AND PROTECT IT'S OWN LIFE, BY ANY MEANS POSSIBLE .... If they can manage to do do so.

 

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4 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

The right to bear arms, as is necessary, for personal and family and associates self defense is as basic and natural as the right to eat food, and drink water, and breath air. It is a NATURAL right, like the right of an unborn baby to live, or a person to speak freely, or associate with whomsoever he or she wishes.

But you have the powers that be who say otherwise and push a narrative to draw forth fear, which can and has been disarming, even harming those who seek to protect themselves, and their families, even if you do everything by the book. Then you have those who take up influence to cause harm to those who are deemed enemies, i.e. the Patriots to Antifa, Antifa to the Patriots.

Although a right, at the end of the day, you have no power to defend, but rather, what the Government and those in said power who says what you can truly defend and whom to trust [them] with your firearms.

6 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Whether the governments of Earth protect these rights, ignore these rights or restrict or eliminate the exercise of any of these rights is a whole other subject.

It isn't about ignoring, it is more about control. Government has their hands everywhere, in the schools, the banks, the churches, the stores and shops, etc. They do the same with whatever it is you use to defend yourself.

7 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

The RIGHT to bear arms existed BEFORE the United States Constitution sought to protect what already existed, by saying that those rights shall NOT be infringed.

But it seems the game that is on the table has changed, especially with the situation the United States is in now.

8 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

EVERY LIVING THING ON THIS EARTH HAS, AND ALWAYS HAS HAD, THE NATURAL RIGHT TO TRY AND PROTECT IT'S OWN LIFE, BY ANY MEANS POSSIBLE .... If they can manage to do do so.

But above all else in the world run by so called kingdoms and empires, the government has their hands everywhere. You are lucky enough to escape the grasp for a moment, only to be reeled back in for another big wave.

What people fail to realize is the power they have on everything that stands tall, and everyone who roams cities and towns. We already have radiation forced upon us untested, causing people to speak up, likewise, the situation is similar with guns.

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On 8/6/2019 at 1:21 AM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

I was expecting an answer like " Yeah, how about that?"

That would have been the case, but I am the type of person who sees the things of this world for what it really is, and I am not the only one. Think about it, shootings will still happen, there will always be blame and a scapegoat, which will take place several days to a week later, there will be those who spin the narrative to bank and profit and shut down anyone who speaks the truth of the matter, there will always be fear mongering and insighting of fear, there will always be a push to disarm and or control, which will make anyone who upholds the second amendment be branded either a victim and or an enemy, and at the end of the day, government will have their say in regards of many parties who think and or say otherwise in support and or against.

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Another shooting with an active shooter in Philly, 4 police officers injured and or dead, cannot make out the reports but I'd have to check again, other sources show the count to be 6, granted that this is live right now.

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2 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Another shooting with an active shooter in Philly, 4 police officers injured and or dead, cannot make out the reports but I'd have to check again, other sources show the count to be 6, granted that this is live right now.

Correct. There are 6 cops that got shot. All doing well and will survive. It's still a standoff with the shooter. The cops went to execute an arrest warrant when the shooter, started!

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3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Another shooting with an active shooter in Philly, 4 police officers injured and or dead, cannot make out the reports but I'd have to check again, other sources show the count to be 6, granted that this is live right now.

There is another shooting in a place called Philly in El Paso, Texas?

Going on Live right now?

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That is the problem with interpretation of the constitution. While, the “bill of rights” have a definitive language the constitution was set to where no infringement could be possible to the constitution itself. When Madison and the founding fathers were framing the constitution they took into account, state rights to a militia.

When the federalist and anti-federalist were making that argument, to an extent, they were arguing about undisciplined militia that the continental army had to contend with when fighting the British. Who had the power to organize that militia? Who had the power to train that militia?

Back in the day. Anyone could have a weapon on their home that was of age to support the state. That age started at 16 or 15 with the parents’ permission.

That governance, practically included all households in the 13 colonies. Looking at it with a modern view, which would apply to all households in the U.S. by its territorial expansion.

What isn’t taken into account by those that don’t really understand the U.S. constitution is the word “militia”. It was not just meant as an action for WAR, but also to curve STATE insurrections.

Oddly enough. The argument also included propositions on who could have a long rifle verses pistols and swords.

Therefore, State representatives arguing the Madison and Ellsworth proposal wanted the State to retain that power.

That’s what was happening in 1787 in the convention in Philadelphia. How to consolidate the Federal and State laws to everyone’s satisfaction.

Now the federal Militia Act of 1792 did make a distention, on how-to provide “discipline” to the self-armed populace. Not to take or give arms.

Under those conditions of the constitution, not just the bill of rights, gives any householder the right to bear arms. AS, A SELF-ARMED POPULACE. They only way to remove that clause, is to REWRITE THE CONSTITUTION.

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Exactly Right !

..... except back then, as now, weapons were used for many reasons ... not JUST to support "the state".  It was recognized as a NATURAL right that existed before all political considerations.

...like the NATURAL rights of cats to have retractable claws ... or *coff*  the rights of Bears to bear arms.

This "natural right "... which has existed since the beginning of humans, already existed before someone declared it shall not be infringed upon.

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