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46 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

After judgment day (Armageddon) JW waiting, all people will stay to be sinful ..... for at least 1000 years :)) 

Sorry about that. I keep forgetting you take people's words literally when my words were to be used as ultimately. I guess you are one of those that use the "young literal bible" to exploit word for word, ideology. You've been here long enough to know what people are actually saying Srecko. Don't spoil it!

Those that understand scripture, understand God's goal of perfection. Those deemed righteous and resurrected will be in a sinful state. Resurrection will be in an accumulative time-lapse, not all at once. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 refers to whom. Now the misapplication is evident here with that of 1 John 3:2 or  Revelation 20:11-15. Therefore, Jesus will resurrect who first?

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On 8/10/2019 at 11:23 PM, Outta Here said:

Without getting bogged down in semantics here, there is no real difference between the two words

I just have listen about new suit against WT Society and reporter of KOAT TV reported how WT spokesperson said: 

"Jehovah's Witnesses abhor child abuse as a sin and crime. Our policies on child protection ..."

Well, i believe how he know what he speaking about or he was instructed to tell this from WT lawyers. Sin and crime are two different words in JW organization. 

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2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Sin and crime are two different words in JW organization

Of course they are, but their meaning (dare I say...) overlaps.

The key to understanding is to consider against who the crime or sin is committed. The word sin is traditionally viewed by those of the soulical world as relating to the violating of God's laws or standards, whereas the word crime is understood by many of that same designation as referencing a violation of the requirements or laws of the secular state.

Really, in the spiritual world there is no difference between a crime and a sin as any violation of God's laws or principles constitues a crime or sin. To sin is a criminal act.

But we have no problem in speaking the language of the world if that is what they understand.

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Just curious Srecko. You keep implying the Watchtower is wrong for somehow having two different standards between crime and sin that you speculate they shouldn't have. Under the definitions you submitted,

Which Sin under Crime do you believe secular law gives the Watchtower to PUNISH a person under the authority of crimes and punishment?

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Please be specific! On how the Watchtower should punish a crime of pedophilia for insistence, that secular law man's law won't have a problem with.

I don't recall, where the Watchtower has incarceration cells for the wicked. 🤫

And how those that have paid their debt to society for a crime should have a different meaning for the Watchtower and not other religions or for secular law that implements those laws.

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Keep in mind the Watchtower is NOT the Vatican with its own police force and military army that it garrisons in Vatican City by the Via di Porta Angelica Rd.

The Watchtower doesn’t have prison cells like the Vatican.

Therefore, by your explicit criticism of the Watchtower. What you are insisting on, the Watchtower should not consider the “separation” of church and state even though Jesus instructed Christians to do so. Matthew 22:21

Which structural governance punishes the guilty with punitive and mandatory punishment of incarceration? Romans 13:1

What you are actually implying is, DEFY Jesus and his instructions. Does that make any sense to a Christian?

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On 8/12/2019 at 4:12 PM, BillyTheKid46 said:

Sorry about that. I keep forgetting you take people's words literally when my words were to be used as ultimately. I guess you are one of those that use the "young literal bible" to exploit word for word, ideology. You've been here long enough to know what people are actually saying Srecko. Don't spoil it!

In the 7th grade I was taught how to diagram sentences to be able to ascertain exactly what a sentence was really saying.

How should your words be used ultimately?

And when you say "Don't spoil it!",  what do you mean?

What is "it"?

If I printed out what you say, should it ultimately go in the filing cabinet .... or ultimately go in the shredder?

As one guy in the Army from Alabama once said ... "Spreek Engrich Thoops."

 

 

 

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25 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

If I printed out what you say, should it ultimately go in the filing cabinet .... or ultimately go in the shredder?

As one guy in the Army from Alabama once said ... "Spreek Engrich Thoops."

I guess to stupid people as yourself, I would have to consider writing things in some other language in order to be understood. Once again, your idiocy in grammar is such an idiotic way to prove you as ignorant and unintelligent. Retire as a half-idiot, not a blathering one.

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9 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

 I guess to stupid people as yourself, I would have to consider writing things in some other language in order to be understood. Once again, your idiocy in grammar is such an idiotic way to prove you as ignorant and unintelligent. Retire as a half-idiot, not a blathering one.

You are a truly amazing person, Billy ... with your own words you continuously prove against yourself of what you accuse others.

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1 hour ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

You are a truly amazing person, Billy ... with your own words you continuously prove against yourself of what you accuse others.

WOW! I didn’t know, in your world, saying someone takes your words literally actually means I am insulting them for their grammar. I guess, I need to attend that obtuse class you are taking. But it’s to be expected from you!

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As many things are , Billy, it is available on YouTube ... just type in "Diagramming Sentences."

Being able to analyze EXACTLY what a sentence was saying, and be able to prove it .... whether or not the writer intended it to be that way or not ... has served me well my entire life, since the 7th grade.  After a while you develop instantaneous analytical skills when reading ambiguous text. or even in normal conversation.

.... and although I did not count then, there are PERHAPS a hundred videos teaching someone how to diagram sentences.

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, Outta Here said:

The key to understanding is to consider against who the crime or sin is committed.

against who .... is the key for understanding 

As i understand teachings of Bible (and perhaps teachings of JW Organization too), everything that is against "our neighbor" is also against God, because all people was made in the image of God. Well, doing something against That Image of God is same as doing something against Origin/Author of Image. In that relations i do not know how "the key" you talking about, making issue to be more understandable. We can go further with this. If human doing something that is bad for nature and animal world, we can say also how this is against God also, because He is Creator and  Author of that Nature. 

13 hours ago, Outta Here said:

Really, in the spiritual world there is no difference between a crime and a sin as any violation of God's laws or principles constitues a crime or sin. To sin is a criminal act.

If that is as you say, why GB and JW Lawyers complicate this issue? If JW Elders want to Judge only sins (specific list of things that are not crimes in the eye of Secular Authorities) than let them to handled such sins. Perhaps this idea can be some sort of New Policy until some "New Light" would bring more Clarifications on Issue. :)) But when something inside JW Organization happen what is not just "a sin", would it be "key" to call Secular Authorities to deal with it?

If, there is no difference between a crime and a sin, as you suggest in comment, than JW Organization have no need for Judicial Committees of Elders. All can be handled by Secular Authorities. :))

In both way of reasoning, something not working well in JW "Spiritual Paradise". I am expecting that future (with new generation of overlapping lawyers) bring some positive results on this. :))

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5 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

JW Organization have no need for Judicial Committees of Elders. All can be handled by Secular Authorities

I don't follow your (presumably) reasoning that if crime and sin are synonymous then Secular Authorities could handle all "judicial matters", unless your are presenting it from a soulical perspective.

Do you therefore think that the secular definition of sin and crime is the same as the sacred and that sacred and secular authority is synonymous in these matters?

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37 minutes ago, Outta Here said:

I don't follow your (presumably) reasoning that if crime and sin are synonymous then Secular Authorities could handle all "judicial matters", unless your are presenting it from a soulical perspective.

Do you therefore think that the secular definition of sin and crime is the same as the sacred and that sacred and secular authority is synonymous in these matters?

I just made few way of possible reasoning on issue. And as result, each of this different views on matter can, may bring various outcomes on handling with JW people who done something that this religious organization not allow.

As we see from various statements made by JW Representatives, this "sin - crime" issue is also "foggy" to them... Or it is not?!  They said how Elders are to deal only with "sin" and Secular Authority to deal with "crime". But in cases of child abuse, it is obvious how such differentiation in 1) Terminology and in 2) Division of duties (among Elders and Worldly Officers) is bad for victims. Don't you agree? If victims suffer because Administrative Ideology and rules and protocols, than people in charge must CHANGE what they now doing. As Jesus said, when your animal falls in into a pit or into a hole at Sabbath - would you brake Sabbath Law and provide help or waiting for next day? Jesus was obviously showed "rebellious" solution :))) Would you allow for Children to wait on some Clark in JW Office to find time and way how to solve this problem?! Do you think that GB need to change attitude and brake "Sabbath Law" about this?! I hope you will say: no, on first and yes, on second.   

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10 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

In minds, spiritual cells :))))

You just spoiled it! Did that spiritual cell keep you incarcerated? You are here in defiance of the Watchtower. You are here in defiance of scripture. I believe your jailer is not the Watchtower, but Satan, that holds you mentally blind and captive in that hypothetical cell of yours. 🤔

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20 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Being able to analyze EXACTLY what a sentence was saying, and be able to prove it .... whether or not the writer intended it to be that way or not ... has served me well my entire life, since the 7th grade.  After a while you develop instantaneous analytical skills when reading ambiguous text. or even in normal conversation.

I would suggest you go back to school, and restart not from middle school but from elementary. Your grammar and language skill argument is just the same ignorance you use, when you can't win an argument intelligently. Only obtuse people, argue language and grammar. Srecko has been here long enough to understand people, just like people here understand where Srecko is coming from. If they don't they usually ask for clarification.

A nut as yourself should have learned that long ago. The fact you make it an argument, continues to illustrate how childish you really are. Blah! Blah! Woof ! Woof! Take you feeding bottle like a good little girl! 😁

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